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Federer's staying power?

Frank Fontaine 20 May 2005 07:05:02
 A lot of people are touting Federer to win 10-12 slams before his
career is over. I for one feel like he should be able to bag at least
8-10. However, after watching the season so far, 2 young guns are
definetly potential spoilers in years to come. Obviously, Nadal, but
what about Gasquet. This kid has an explosive backhand, that when
fine tuned, will be a huge weapon. It'll be interesting to see how
things enfold this year. After last years route, and Federer's
amazing run so far this year (which no one seems to be talking about),
I wonder if he can keep his dominance going.
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StephenJ 20 May 2005 07:34:58 [ permanent link ]
 
Yes, it's kind of funny when grass-fans decry "bumroot" tennis as being
based on durability/stamina as opposed to "real" tennis skills, when the
reason Sampras is in Tier I is because of his durability/stamina as much as
his tremendous tennis skills. Remember, Sampras never won 3 slams in a year,
but he won 14 by being incredibly durable. The guy had an amazing body,
about as optimally-well-musc­led as can be. That allowed him to win 2 slams
in 4 different years and to win slams 12 years apart.

We don't know if Federer has that durability... he may be all pure tennis
skill but without the iron-man body to last out winning slams over a 10-12
year period...
A lot of people are touting Federer to win 10-12 slams before his> career is over. I for one feel like he should be able to bag at least> 8-10. However, after watching the season so far, 2 young guns are> definetly potential spoilers in years to come. Obviously, Nadal, but> what about Gasquet. This kid has an explosive backhand, that when> fine tuned, will be a huge weapon. It'll be interesting to see how> things enfold this year. After last years route, and Federer's> amazing run so far this year (which no one seems to be talking about),> I wonder if he can keep his dominance going.


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Vari L. Cinicke 20 May 2005 08:15:17 [ permanent link ]
 Saw this in an article somewhere recently about Federer's record over
the past 2 years:

2003 second half: Wins 4 of 11 tournaments
2004: 74-6, Wins 11 of 17 tournaments
2005 so far: 41-2 - Wins 6 of 8 tournaments

Pretty farfetched numbers!

frank fontaine wrote:
A lot of people are touting Federer to win 10-12 slams before his> career is over. I for one feel like he should be able to bag at least> 8-10. However, after watching the season so far, 2 young guns are> definetly potential spoilers in years to come. Obviously, Nadal, but> what about Gasquet. This kid has an explosive backhand, that when> fine tuned, will be a huge weapon. It'll be interesting to see how> things enfold this year. After last years route, and Federer's> amazing run so far this year (which no one seems to be talking about),> I wonder if he can keep his dominance going.
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Whisper 20 May 2005 13:42:25 [ permanent link ]
 StephenJ wrote:
Yes, it's kind of funny when grass-fans decry "bumroot" tennis as being> based on durability/stamina as opposed to "real" tennis skills, when the> reason Sampras is in Tier I is because of his durability/stamina




Sampras a bumrooter?

Now I've heard everything....
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StephenJ 20 May 2005 17:20:06 [ permanent link ]
 
Yes, it's kind of funny when grass-fans decry "bumroot" tennis as being> > based on durability/stamina as opposed to "real" tennis skills, when the> > reason Sampras is in Tier I is because of his durability/stamina
Sampras a bumrooter?

LOL. Career-wise. :)­



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David Henry 22 May 2005 04:25:45 [ permanent link ]
 
"drew" <drew@technologist.­com> wrote in message
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StephenJ wrote:>> Yes, it's kind of funny when grass-fans decry "bumroot" tennis as> being>> based on durability/stamina as opposed to "real" tennis skills, when> the>> reason Sampras is in Tier I is because of his durability/stamina as> much as>> his tremendous tennis skills. Remember, Sampras never won 3 slams in> a year,>> but he won 14 by being incredibly durable. The guy had an amazing> body,>> about as optimally-well-musc­led as can be.>
Sampras had a bad body and was in shitty shape. He quit at 30 because> he didn't have anything left. Nobody in pro tennis had worse fitness> than Sampras. That's why he couldn't win the French. His game> depended on ending the points and the match quickly. Can't do that on> red clay. Gotta be in great shape to win. God, you are so clueless,> Jaros.


Gotta agree/disagree a little.

First off, Sampras was the ultimate jock. He was as athletic as any elite
college basketball player.

As to Sampras' endurance. Pete was a great sprinter, but a horrible cross
country runner. His game conditioned his body. He was good for short bursts
over long periods of time, but not long bursts over long periods of time --
thus his inability to conquer the clay.

To a degree, I felt Pete always was a bit leary about doing too well at the
French, knowing that Wimmbledon was right around the corner. The effort it
would have taken him to win the French would have been too much sacrifice,
even for one year.

When a player is in Sampras' position of dominating Wimbledon, as Federer is
now, Roland Garros will take a back seat. I do figure, though, that Federer
is more flexible than Sampras, and will win Roland Garros once or twice,
because his Wimbledon haul won't be on Sampras' level.

Sampras was a master at getting his game, and body, to peak when he wanted
it today -- hence his slam success. One of the reasons I don't think Federer
will amount to Sampras greatness is that he peaks for *everything.* The Tier
I events and slam events seem all the same to Federer. Sampras knew how to
eat a big meal (a slam) and then allow for things to digest before the next
big meal. Federer is almost gluttoness; he just eats up everything. I'm not
so sure that's good in the long run. Federer is slam and history-hungry like
Sampras, but he needs to slow down a little. But I can see his viewpoint
too: if the title is there to be taken, why not grab it? Still, I think
he'll be burnt out by 26, and since I don't see him winning 8 slams between
now and then, we'll see where that leaves him.

[Okay, closing tangent...! : >]

Getting back to Pete, I think you really underestimate his physical prowess.
Although I will say that on many occasions Sampras willed himself to win,
even when his body was telling him, No. He's much like Graf in that sense,
and it's why he had such a long career.

What ultimately ended Pete's career wasn't his body, but his waning
desire -- breaking the slam record will do that to you -- and recognition
that he would never win Roland Garros. So why play on?

I'm glad Federer is a different type of champion than Sampras. I'm glad he
has more of a ground game and doesn't pre-empt points off the serve as much
and uses the slice more, and is a better clay courter, and is overall more
flexible and stylish.

But I still don't see Federer as having the same staying power as Sampras,
who, now that all is said and done, was great at pacing himself. Sampras saw
the big picture very clearly.

Dave


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Vari L. Cinicke 22 May 2005 04:38:41 [ permanent link ]
 Did you read Federer's recent interview? He said he is interested in
winning many W's in a row. He also said that he could be playing, a la
AA, until he is 35. He is very aware of his relative position in the
tennis pantheon and knows where he wants to be.

I do not recall where I read it. If someone knows, post a link please.

David Henry wrote:
"drew" <drew@technologist.­com> wrote in message > news:1116712785.526­904.24030@f14g2000cw­b.googlegroups.com..­.>
StephenJ wrote:>>
Yes, it's kind of funny when grass-fans decry "bumroot" tennis as>>
being>>
based on durability/stamina as opposed to "real" tennis skills, when>>
reason Sampras is in Tier I is because of his durability/stamina as>>
much as>>
his tremendous tennis skills. Remember, Sampras never won 3 slams in>>
a year,>>
but he won 14 by being incredibly durable. The guy had an amazing>>
body,>>
about as optimally-well-musc­led as can be.>>
Sampras had a bad body and was in shitty shape. He quit at 30 because>>he didn't have anything left. Nobody in pro tennis had worse fitness>>than Sampras. That's why he couldn't win the French. His game>>depended on ending the points and the match quickly. Can't do that on>>red clay. Gotta be in great shape to win. God, you are so clueless,>>Jaros.>
Gotta agree/disagree a little.>
First off, Sampras was the ultimate jock. He was as athletic as any elite > college basketball player.>
As to Sampras' endurance. Pete was a great sprinter, but a horrible cross > country runner. His game conditioned his body. He was good for short bursts > over long periods of time, but not long bursts over long periods of time -- > thus his inability to conquer the clay.>
To a degree, I felt Pete always was a bit leary about doing too well at the > French, knowing that Wimmbledon was right around the corner. The effort it > would have taken him to win the French would have been too much sacrifice, > even for one year.>
When a player is in Sampras' position of dominating Wimbledon, as Federer is > now, Roland Garros will take a back seat. I do figure, though, that Federer > is more flexible than Sampras, and will win Roland Garros once or twice, > because his Wimbledon haul won't be on Sampras' level.>
Sampras was a master at getting his game, and body, to peak when he wanted > it today -- hence his slam success. One of the reasons I don't think Federer > will amount to Sampras greatness is that he peaks for *everything.* The Tier > I events and slam events seem all the same to Federer. Sampras knew how to > eat a big meal (a slam) and then allow for things to digest before the next > big meal. Federer is almost gluttoness; he just eats up everything. I'm not > so sure that's good in the long run. Federer is slam and history-hungry like > Sampras, but he needs to slow down a little. But I can see his viewpoint > too: if the title is there to be taken, why not grab it? Still, I think > he'll be burnt out by 26, and since I don't see him winning 8 slams between > now and then, we'll see where that leaves him.>
[Okay, closing tangent...! : >]>
Getting back to Pete, I think you really underestimate his physical prowess. > Although I will say that on many occasions Sampras willed himself to win, > even when his body was telling him, No. He's much like Graf in that sense, > and it's why he had such a long career.>
What ultimately ended Pete's career wasn't his body, but his waning > desire -- breaking the slam record will do that to you -- and recognition > that he would never win Roland Garros. So why play on?>
I'm glad Federer is a different type of champion than Sampras. I'm glad he > has more of a ground game and doesn't pre-empt points off the serve as much > and uses the slice more, and is a better clay courter, and is overall more > flexible and stylish.>
But I still don't see Federer as having the same staying power as Sampras, > who, now that all is said and done, was great at pacing himself. Sampras saw > the big picture very clearly.>
Dave >
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David Henry 22 May 2005 05:11:17 [ permanent link ]
 
"Vari L. Cinicke" <cinicke@netscape.n­et> wrote in message
news:lwQje.805532$w­62.153538@bgtnsc05-n­ews.ops.worldnet.att­.net...> Did you read Federer's recent interview? He said he is interested in > winning many W's in a row. He also said that he could be playing, a la AA, > until he is 35. He is very aware of his relative position in the tennis > pantheon and knows where he wants to be.

It's all relative. Agassi is only playing now because he's playing catchup
for his lost years -- and he's still fit enough to play at an elite level.

I don't think Federer's game will be good past 30 because he'll have too
many extra miles on the body compared to Agassi at the same age. I also
think Federer's game is based very strongly on his movement and agility.
Once he slows at step, it'll be difficult to hit offensively from extreme
defensive positions, as he does now. That's what makes him unbearable to
play at the moment.

Just two very different styles of play and approaches to the game.

If Federer's legacy at Wimbledon equals Sampras', I'd be very surprised.

Dave


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Vari L. Cinicke 22 May 2005 05:32:14 [ permanent link ]
 http://www.iht.com/a­rticles/2005/05/20/s­ports/tennis.php

Excerpt from Federer article:

So could the French Open become an obsession? "Wimbledon will always
stay No. 1 in my heart," he said. "That's clear, because of the emotions
I had there, and because of my idols. They all won over there, but I am
aware that if I can win the French what it does to my spot in history.
So for this reason, I think this will always also have a very special
place, because I will only get another 7 to 10 to maybe 15 maximum chances."

Fifteen? Federer is clearly keeping his options open and enjoying his
tennis.

"If you look at Andre, you almost have to go there," he said, referring
to 35-year-old Andre Agassi, who will be playing in his 17th Roland
Garros next week
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David Henry 22 May 2005 06:08:22 [ permanent link ]
 
"Vari L. Cinicke" <cinicke@netscape.n­et> wrote in message
news:yiRje.805758$w­62.775764@bgtnsc05-n­ews.ops.worldnet.att­.net...> http://www.iht.com/­articles/2005/05/20/­sports/tennis.php>
Excerpt from Federer article:>
So could the French Open become an obsession? "Wimbledon will always stay > No. 1 in my heart," he said. "That's clear, because of the emotions I had > there, and because of my idols. They all won over there, but I am aware > that if I can win the French what it does to my spot in history. So for > this reason, I think this will always also have a very special place, > because I will only get another 7 to 10 to maybe 15 maximum chances."


I think I recall part of this interview. Something about he cried twice
there....
Fifteen? Federer is clearly keeping his options open and enjoying his > tennis.


Everyone can speculate about the future when they're young and the wins are
coming easy. What they always fail to see is the next wave of champions that
will come along and abruptly end that train of thought. It's foresight no
one has. Nadal and Gasquet are peaking now. And something tells me no one
will want Monfils in their draw at Wimbledon by next year. He's a huge
server and is faster and more athletic than Roddick.

"If you look at Andre, you almost have to go there," he said, referring to > 35-year-old Andre Agassi, who will be playing in his 17th Roland Garros > next week

Andre is very unique. There aren't too many older men in pro sports that can
play with the young guys. In tennis, Agassi is like Connors in that respect.
Something tells me Federer is too sophisticated a guy to stick around
playing tennis like a haggard old man. His accomplishments by then will
likely spare him of that. No need to stick around.

Dave


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Whisper 22 May 2005 12:49:45 [ permanent link ]
 Roberts wrote:
drew wrote:>
Nobody in pro tennis had worse fitness>>than Sampras.>
What? Even worse than say, Medvedev? Don't make an an idiot of> yourself- you can't win more slams than anyone else and have the worse> fitness in the game. Did you ever think of that?>


Sampras was relatively weak - he was all guts/inspiration & god-given
talent. I also don't think Fed is particularly fit.

Guys like Muster/Agassi run up hills with obelisks strapped to their
backs - if Fed/Sampras tried that they'd be in a wheelchair...
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Whisper 22 May 2005 15:57:02 [ permanent link ]
 Vari L. Cinicke wrote:
http://www.iht.com/­articles/2005/05/20/­sports/tennis.php>
Excerpt from Federer article:>
So could the French Open become an obsession? "Wimbledon will always > stay No. 1 in my heart," he said. "That's clear, because of the emotions > I had there, and because of my idols. They all won over there, but I am > aware that if I can win the French what it does to my spot in history. > So for this reason, I think this will always also have a very special > place, because I will only get another 7 to 10 to maybe 15 maximum > chances.">
Fifteen? Federer is clearly keeping his options open and enjoying his > tennis.>
"If you look at Andre, you almost have to go there," he said, referring > to 35-year-old Andre Agassi, who will be playing in his 17th Roland > Garros next week


Did he really say 15....? Lol... : )

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Vari L. Cinicke 22 May 2005 18:04:11 [ permanent link ]
 Whisper wrote:
Vari L. Cinicke wrote:>
http://www.iht.com/­articles/2005/05/20/­sports/tennis.php>>
Excerpt from Federer article:>>
So could the French Open become an obsession? "Wimbledon will always >> stay No. 1 in my heart," he said. "That's clear, because of the >> emotions I had there, and because of my idols. They all won over >> there, but I am aware that if I can win the French what it does to my >> spot in history. So for this reason, I think this will always also >> have a very special place, because I will only get another 7 to 10 to >> maybe 15 maximum chances.">>
Fifteen? Federer is clearly keeping his options open and enjoying his >> tennis.>>
"If you look at Andre, you almost have to go there," he said, >> referring to 35-year-old Andre Agassi, who will be playing in his 17th >> Roland Garros next week>
Did he really say 15....? Lol... : )>

I agree it is funny. He could be the Rosewall of this generation.
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Luke Croll 22 May 2005 18:51:26 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 21 May 2005 20:08:22 -0600, "David Henry"
<telemachus7@msn.co­m> wrote:>Andre is very unique. There aren't too many older men in pro sports that can >play with the young guys. In tennis, Agassi is like Connors in that respect. >Something tells me Federer is too sophisticated a guy to stick around >playing tennis like a haggard old man. His accomplishments by then will >likely spare him of that. No need to stick around.

This is a good point. Look at Henman. In tennis years, he is 'getting
on', but he still keeps citing Agassi when asked about how much longer
he is going to play for. Henman, however, has a degenerative back
problem, has had shoulder injuries and is generally not as fit as he
used to be. Agassi has managed to avoid serious injury and does keep
himself amazingly fit. He is, however, the exception rather than the
rule and I don't think he should be used as a benchmark for the older
players on the tour, who might end up pushing their bodies more than
is necessary. Certainly, I'm not suggesting that Henman should retire,
as I think he's got some good tennis left in him yet, but he needs to
be aware of his own limitations, and I think that removing the Davis
Cup from his schedule was a good idea.
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David Henry 23 May 2005 02:27:10 [ permanent link ]
 
"srikanth" <hinzwolfe@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:1116787061.071­837.205920@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> Dave,>
I like the part about federer being a glutton while sampras was better> at pacing himself, but this is pure conjecture.


True. I was just trying to give a visual of how I saw it: two kids at the
dinner table with everything in front of them, but each approaches the meal
differently. Make no mistake about it, though: Federer *is* hungry for
titles. I feel like he's doing his best to strike while the iron is still
hot.

With Sampras, I always felt like he knew there'd be other opportunities and
was in no hurry -- except at Wimbledon. Pete was more methodical. Of course,
any description of Sampras is completely in hindsight. It could be that's
simply the way things panned out for him and he was going with the flow.

Feds career so far looks indistinguishable from sampras except sampras> had better showings in the slams; Fed is better on clay. Federer is> reaching his prime and he is winning everything, sampras was doing> exactly the same thing at a similar age.>
It's pretty clear Federer is going after sampras level glory, but I> think you are right and he is going to fall short in numbers but has a> shot at 1 french. Although I think last year was his best shot at the> french. Now he has to pray for a favorable draw, which he didn't get> this year.


He could still get that. If Moya defeats Hrbaty and Gasquet defeats Nadal
(which I'm picking). If those two things pan out, the only way he'll be
tested is in the final vs Ferrero. If Ferrero reaches the final, he'll be
confident and should take Federer on clay. Any other combo of the draw and
Fed will probably win.

And, yep, Sampras is the target.

Dave


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David Henry 24 May 2005 04:35:17 [ permanent link ]
 
"Luke Croll" <Lukecroll@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:42909bd4.22477­510@news.individual.­net...> On Sat, 21 May 2005 20:08:22 -0600, "David Henry"> <telemachus7@msn.co­m> wrote:>>Andre is very unique. There aren't too many older men in pro sports that >>can>>play with the young guys. In tennis, Agassi is like Connors in that >>respect.>>Somethi­ng tells me Federer is too sophisticated a guy to stick around>>playing tennis like a haggard old man. His accomplishments by then will>>likely spare him of that. No need to stick around.>
This is a good point. Look at Henman. In tennis years, he is 'getting> on', but he still keeps citing Agassi when asked about how much longer> he is going to play for. Henman, however, has a degenerative back> problem, has had shoulder injuries and is generally not as fit as he> used to be. Agassi has managed to avoid serious injury and does keep> himself amazingly fit. He is, however, the exception rather than the> rule and I don't think he should be used as a benchmark for the older> players on the tour, who might end up pushing their bodies more than> is necessary. Certainly, I'm not suggesting that Henman should retire,> as I think he's got some good tennis left in him yet, but he needs to> be aware of his own limitations, and I think that removing the Davis> Cup from his schedule was a good idea.


Skipping Davis Cup has become all the rage this year, hasn't it? First Moya,
then Henman made his declaration.

Under normal conditions, I don't think Henman's game and body would allow
for him to play past 30. But the current era of players aren't used to his
style of play, so that gives him, probably, an extra year or two.

Tactically, Henman is a very solid player, who perhaps isn't as
opportunistic as he could be. When you compare him to the likes of Rafter
from a few years ago, it's easy to see what we're missing out on. Still,
Henman holds the serve and volley torch, and carries it well.

I hope Tim can at least make the quarters, so that he doesn't lose too many
points. I don't want to see him drop out of the top 10, like Moya.

Dave


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Guest 24 May 2005 07:13:32 [ permanent link ]
 Ferrero beating Federer in the french open final David? HA! with
Federer's record 19 final winning streak. your dreaming David.

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Hops 24 May 2005 09:04:11 [ permanent link ]
 
<wkhedr@my-deja.com­> wrote in message
news:1116905289.019­260.49560@z14g2000cw­z.googlegroups.com..­.> All gueses and speculations!


well, that's our specialty around here.





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Hops 24 May 2005 09:04:14 [ permanent link ]
 
<seles-fan@webtv.ne­t> wrote in message
news:23222-42929BDC­-490@storefull-3117.­bay.webtv.net...> Ferrero beating Federer in the french open final David? HA! with> Federer's record 19 final winning streak. your dreaming David.


his streak has to end at some point ... doesn't it?





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Whisper 24 May 2005 13:40:59 [ permanent link ]
 David Henry wrote:
"Luke Croll" <Lukecroll@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message > news:42909bd4.22477­510@news.individual.­net...>
On Sat, 21 May 2005 20:08:22 -0600, "David Henry">><telemachus­7@msn.com> wrote:>>
Andre is very unique. There aren't too many older men in pro sports that >>>can>>>play with the young guys. In tennis, Agassi is like Connors in that >>>respect.>>>Somet­hing tells me Federer is too sophisticated a guy to stick around>>>playing tennis like a haggard old man. His accomplishments by then will>>>likely spare him of that. No need to stick around.>>
This is a good point. Look at Henman. In tennis years, he is 'getting>>on', but he still keeps citing Agassi when asked about how much longer>>he is going to play for. Henman, however, has a degenerative back>>problem, has had shoulder injuries and is generally not as fit as he>>used to be. Agassi has managed to avoid serious injury and does keep>>himself amazingly fit. He is, however, the exception rather than the>>rule and I don't think he should be used as a benchmark for the older>>players on the tour, who might end up pushing their bodies more than>>is necessary. Certainly, I'm not suggesting that Henman should retire,>>as I think he's got some good tennis left in him yet, but he needs to>>be aware of his own limitations, and I think that removing the Davis>>Cup from his schedule was a good idea.>
Skipping Davis Cup has become all the rage this year, hasn't it? First Moya, > then Henman made his declaration.>
Under normal conditions, I don't think Henman's game and body would allow > for him to play past 30. But the current era of players aren't used to his > style of play, so that gives him, probably, an extra year or two.>
Tactically, Henman is a very solid player, who perhaps isn't as > opportunistic as he could be. When you compare him to the likes of Rafter > from a few years ago, it's easy to see what we're missing out on. Still, > Henman holds the serve and volley torch, and carries it well.>
I hope Tim can at least make the quarters, so that he doesn't lose too many > points. I don't want to see him drop out of the top 10, like Moya.>
Dave>



I really don't think guys of Tim/Moya's age give 2 fucks about points -
they've reached high rankings before & would love a slam to finish off
their careers....

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Whisper 24 May 2005 14:03:26 [ permanent link ]
 coop-a-loop wrote:
Neither player will be in the Final.>
;)>


Nadal is a shoo-in for semi at least - Fed will have some interesting
challenges given he's alreading cracking a fat over Wimbledon....

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David Henry 24 May 2005 18:46:39 [ permanent link ]
 
"Roberts" <artsmark10@mail.co­m> wrote in message
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Whisper wrote:>> David Henry wrote:>>
"Luke Croll" <Lukecroll@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message>> > news:42909bd4.22477­510@news.individual.­net...>> >
On Sat, 21 May 2005 20:08:22 -0600, "David Henry">> >><telemachus7@msn.­com> wrote:>> >>
Andre is very unique. There aren't too many older men in pro> sports that>> >>>can>> >>>play with the young guys. In tennis, Agassi is like Connors in> that>> >>>respect.>> >>>Something tells me Federer is too sophisticated a guy to stick> around>> >>>playing tennis like a haggard old man. His accomplishments by then> will>> >>>likely spare him of that. No need to stick around.>> >>
This is a good point. Look at Henman. In tennis years, he is> 'getting>> >>on', but he still keeps citing Agassi when asked about how much> longer>> >>he is going to play for. Henman, however, has a degenerative back>> >>problem, has had shoulder injuries and is generally not as fit as> he>> >>used to be. Agassi has managed to avoid serious injury and does> keep>> >>himself amazingly fit. He is, however, the exception rather than> the>> >>rule and I don't think he should be used as a benchmark for the> older>> >>players on the tour, who might end up pushing their bodies more> than>> >>is necessary. Certainly, I'm not suggesting that Henman should> retire,>> >>as I think he's got some good tennis left in him yet, but he needs> to>> >>be aware of his own limitations, and I think that removing the> Davis>> >>Cup from his schedule was a good idea.>> >
Skipping Davis Cup has become all the rage this year, hasn't it?> First Moya,>> > then Henman made his declaration.>> >
Under normal conditions, I don't think Henman's game and body would> allow>> > for him to play past 30. But the current era of players aren't used> to his>> > style of play, so that gives him, probably, an extra year or two.>> >
Tactically, Henman is a very solid player, who perhaps isn't as>> > opportunistic as he could be. When you compare him to the likes of> Rafter>> > from a few years ago, it's easy to see what we're missing out on.> Still,>> > Henman holds the serve and volley torch, and carries it well.>> >
I hope Tim can at least make the quarters, so that he doesn't lose> too many>> > points. I don't want to see him drop out of the top 10, like Moya.>> >
Dave>> >
I really don't think guys of Tim/Moya's age give 2 fucks about points> ->> they've reached high rankings before & would love a slam to finish> off>> their careers....>
Yep. The focus should be on playing well- if that happens, the points> will come anyway.

Everyone says that, but rankings (and thus points) are important because of
seedings. For instance, the later Henman has to meet Federer or Hewitt the
better the chances that someone else will knock them off.

Sure points, don't matter, but rankings and draw positioning do.

Dave


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Guest 24 May 2005 20:23:36 [ permanent link ]
 In article <EcGdnTYecr_Sow7fRV­n-rw@comcast.com>, telemachus7@msn.com­
(David Henry) wrote:
Everyone says that, but rankings (and thus points) are important > because of seedings. For instance, the later Henman has to meet Federer > or Hewitt the better the chances that someone else will knock them off.>
Sure points, don't matter, but rankings and draw positioning do.

I think the maxim that if you play well the rankings and positioning (and
tournament wins) will come is absolutely true.

That said, I'm sure Henman would value a GS win -- *any* GS win -- more
highly than a top five ranking.

wg
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David Henry 25 May 2005 07:58:27 [ permanent link ]
 
<wendyg@cix.compuli­nk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nI-dnXzwldiVyA­7fRVnyuQ@pipex.net..­.> In article <EcGdnTYecr_Sow7fRV­n-rw@comcast.com>, telemachus7@msn.com­> (David Henry) wrote:>
Everyone says that, but rankings (and thus points) are important>> because of seedings. For instance, the later Henman has to meet Federer>> or Hewitt the better the chances that someone else will knock them off.>>
Sure points, don't matter, but rankings and draw positioning do.>
I think the maxim that if you play well the rankings and positioning (and> tournament wins) will come is absolutely true.

The maxim is right. If you play well, the results will come. But everyone
has a foil or two atop the rankings, so no matter how well you play you do
reach a plateau -- if you run into the plateau too often, too early.

The problem for Henman is that he isn't quite the elite player that Federer,
Hewitt, Roddick are. He barely wins small events much less slams. The lower
he is ranked/seeded, the earlier he will meet and lose to
Federer/Hewitt/Rodd­ick, and therefore he won't be able to accumulate the
points he needs to meet them later in tournaments instead of earlier. That
said, you can be ranked or unranked, and if the draw opens up for you enough
you can win anything. And, as we all know, a lucky break or two, especially
at a slam, can raise your ranking. We saw that with Tim last year.

That said, I'm sure Henman would value a GS win -- *any* GS win -- more> highly than a top five ranking.

True. That's why I was pulling so hard for Tim at Roland Garros last year.
I'm sure that was his last chance at a slam.

Really, I like Tim Henman. I'd like nothing more than to see him win
Wimbledon and give his career a happy ending.

Dave


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Luke Croll 25 May 2005 16:11:47 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:58:27 -0600, "David Henry"
<telemachus7@msn.co­m> wrote:>True. That's why I was pulling so hard for Tim at Roland Garros last year. >I'm sure that was his last chance at a slam.>
Really, I like Tim Henman. I'd like nothing more than to see him win >Wimbledon and give his career a happy ending.

So would I, especially speaking as a Brit. Sadly, I agree with you and
I can't see him making that breakthrough. Even at Wimbledon, if
someone knocks out Roddick, Henman still has to get through Hewitt and
Federer. If someone knocks out Fed, etc.....
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Vari L. Cinicke 26 May 2005 03:12:58 [ permanent link ]
 Carey wrote:
Correction- Nadal is 2-1 over Gasquet, at the moment.Gasquet can tie it> up again next > round.>

But Nadal is 2-0 on clay -- though both went to 3 sets. Gasquet can tie
h2h. Nadal can make it 3-0 on clay. We just have to wait, don't we?

Brad Gilbert suggested that we get Friday here as soon as possible. My
vote goes for that proposal.
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Whisper 26 May 2005 14:27:20 [ permanent link ]
 Carey wrote:
Nadal "a shoo-in for the semis at least"? We'll see about that..>


Duh.

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Whisper 26 May 2005 14:27:37 [ permanent link ]
 Carey wrote:
Nadal and Gasquet are 1-1, BTW, and Gasquet has the bigger future IMO.>


Prove it.

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