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Goran insight....

Whisper 27 April 2005 17:20:03
 


Q. How great is your regret for not being No. 1? You were very close
several times.

GORAN IVANISEVIC: Yeah, that's maybe only thing I can regret in my
career. But to be No. 2 behind Pete Sampras, for me that's biggest honor
because he is the best player in the history of tennis. And that year
when I was No. 2, he won three Grand Slams, so I didn't have any chance
to be No. 1 - only if I shoot him, and I couldn't do that. So was tough.
But to be No. 2 against such a guy, that's for me like being No. 1.



Yet another guy who says Pete is 'best player in history of tennis' -
not 'might be'.

Tennis needs a character like him today. Some say Safin comes close,
but I don't see it. Goran was far more consistent player & wittier....

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Mikko Ämmälä 27 April 2005 17:31:22 permanent link ]
 
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> kirjoitti viestissä
news:7kMbe.311$m65.­5191@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...> Yet another guy who says Pete is 'best player in history of tennis' -> not 'might be'.>
Tennis needs a character like him today. Some say Safin comes close,> but I don't see it. Goran was far more consistent player & wittier....

Goran = consistent?
Goran = wittier?

They are different. Goran was chaotic. You could never estimate what mood
Goran is in any given match, like coin-flip. Safin is more consistent. He
does half a year badly then 4 months well. More predicatable.

Safin has already surpassed Goran's achievements (2 slams, #1 vs 1
wimbledon) and he has definitely chance to add a couple slams more to his
records....

Safin definitely is one of the main characters on tour right now

.mikko


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StephenJ 27 April 2005 17:39:46 permanent link ]
 
Yet another guy who says Pete is 'best player in history of tennis' -> not 'might be'.

He also said Sampras won 3 slams in a year. So Goran wasn't always playing
with a full deck.

Still, a good case can be made for Sampras as best ever, just not the best
case (Laver).


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Whisper 28 April 2005 00:02:38 permanent link ]
 Mikko Ämmälä wrote:> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> kirjoitti viestissä> news:7kMbe.311$m65.­5191@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...>
Yet another guy who says Pete is 'best player in history of tennis' ->>not 'might be'.>>
Tennis needs a character like him today. Some say Safin comes close,>>but I don't see it. Goran was far more consistent player & wittier....>
Goran = consistent?> Goran = wittier?

Yes. Safin seems to be a consistent 1sr rd loser.
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Googles 28 April 2005 03:27:38 permanent link ]
 Goran considers Federer more talented though.


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Sergei 28 April 2005 07:19:29 permanent link ]
 
Yet another guy who says Pete is 'best player in history of tennis' ->>>not 'might be'.>>>
Tennis needs a character like him today. Some say Safin comes close,>>>but I don't see it. Goran was far more consistent player & wittier....>>
Goran = consistent?>> Goran = wittier?>
Yes. Safin seems to be a consistent 1sr rd loser.

Safin seems to be having the best year of all ATP players. By your own
criteria. By mine too.. Who cares about all these barcelonas and miamis. If
he loses all first rounds and then peaks by RG time, a la Myskina, those
first round losses could be considered a pinnacle of tennis wisdom..:)­

Sergei


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Sawfish 28 April 2005 07:31:36 permanent link ]
 "Sergei" <yserge@optonline.n­et> writes:
Yet another guy who says Pete is 'best player in history of tennis' ->>>>not 'might be'.>>>>
Tennis needs a character like him today. Some say Safin comes close,>>>>but I don't see it. Goran was far more consistent player & wittier....>>>
Goran = consistent?>>> Goran = wittier?>>
Yes. Safin seems to be a consistent 1sr rd loser.
Safin seems to be having the best year of all ATP players. By your own >criteria. By mine too.. Who cares about all these barcelonas and miamis. If >he loses all first rounds and then peaks by RG time, a la Myskina, those >first round losses could be considered a pinnacle of tennis wisdom..:)­

Did I read that right? You are linking "Safin" and "tennis wisdom" in the
same proposition?

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Whisper 28 April 2005 14:13:35 permanent link ]
 Googles wrote:
Goran considers Federer more talented though.>


Me too, but Sampras was a better tennis player & would beat Fed in 3 or
4 sets everytime at peak..

Mac is more talented than anyone, but not the best.

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Googles 28 April 2005 21:00:49 permanent link ]
 
If he wins the FO then these aren't excuses...

If Safin didnt win a slam for 5 years, why would he win two in a row?
What evidence is there that Safin has changed in 2005? He has always played
well at AO only this time he was fortunate enough to win it (after a rather
lucky escape against Rochus mind you).


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Googles 28 April 2005 21:02:39 permanent link ]
 
For most of us Safin winning AO was a very> unlikely event

Why? Safin has made 3 finals since 2002, rebound ace obviously suits his
game.
he'll bomb out rest of the yr

Now this was always likely and so far being proven true.


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Whisper 29 April 2005 00:37:52 permanent link ]
 Googles wrote:
If he wins the FO then these aren't excuses...>
If Safin didnt win a slam for 5 years, why would he win two in a row?> What evidence is there that Safin has changed in 2005? He has always played> well at AO only this time he was fortunate enough to win it (after a rather> lucky escape against Rochus mind you).>


I'm not arguing.
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Guest 29 April 2005 03:01:58 permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-28, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote:> Googles wrote:>
Goran considers Federer more talented though.>>
Me too, but Sampras was a better tennis player & would beat Fed in 3 or > 4 sets everytime at peak..>
Mac is more talented than anyone, but not the best.>

Basically Sampras applied himself more to the art of winning by
using the few shots he had to great effect?
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StephenJ 29 April 2005 03:33:03 permanent link ]
 
Basically Sampras applied himself more to the art of winning by> using the few shots he had to great effect?

Yes, eg, if it's russia vs. the usa, i'd rather have 20 nukes and nothing
else than a broad assortment of many other kinds of weapons...


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"if federal judges have the final word over its meaning,
the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands
of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form
they please".

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Sawfish 29 April 2005 04:19:08 permanent link ]
 MathDude@NOSPAM.com writes:
On 2005-04-28, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote:>> Googles wrote:>>
Goran considers Federer more talented though.>>>
Me too, but Sampras was a better tennis player & would beat Fed in 3 or >> 4 sets everytime at peak..>>
Mac is more talented than anyone, but not the best.>>

Basically Sampras applied himself more to the art of winning by>using the few shots he had to great effect?

Mac was fun to watch, and a talented player, but what, exactly were his
talents?

1) serve
2) net reflexes/anticipati­on
3) will to win

While he was an excellent *touch* baseline rallier, I doubt that any of
his contenporaries lived in terror of either his forehand or his backhand.
Rather, they feared him approaching at the first possible moment, and this
tended to let him dictate the point. Footspeed and stamina were good, but
not in the first tier.

Sampras had:

1) serve
2) forehand
3) overhead
4) will to win

Very good footspeed and decent volleying, though again, not first tier.
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Whisper 29 April 2005 11:53:16 permanent link ]
 MathDude@NOSPAM.com wrote:
On 2005-04-28, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote:>
Googles wrote:>>
Goran considers Federer more talented though.>>>
Me too, but Sampras was a better tennis player & would beat Fed in 3 or >>4 sets everytime at peak..>>
Mac is more talented than anyone, but not the best.>>
Basically Sampras applied himself more to the art of winning by> using the few shots he had to great effect?


He could play every shot in the book you goose. You thinking of
Agassi/Lendl? Sampras is the Greek looking guy....

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Lloyd 30 April 2005 15:06:18 permanent link ]
 
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message> GORAN IVANISEVIC: Yeah, that's maybe only thing I can regret in my> career. But to be No. 2 behind Pete Sampras, for me that's biggest honor> because he is the best player in the history of tennis. And that year> when I was No. 2, he won three Grand Slams,

Did he now? Goran the tennis historian speaks!


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Guest 30 April 2005 22:17:24 permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-29, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote:> MathDude@NOSPAM.com­ wrote:>
On 2005-04-28, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote:>>
Googles wrote:>>>
Goran considers Federer more talented though.>>>>
Me too, but Sampras was a better tennis player & would beat Fed in 3 or >>>4 sets everytime at peak..>>>
Mac is more talented than anyone, but not the best.>>>
Basically Sampras applied himself more to the art of winning by>> using the few shots he had to great effect?>
He could play every shot in the book you goose. You thinking of > Agassi/Lendl? Sampras is the Greek looking guy....>
You really are sensitive ;-)­ I was being satirical you know.....albeit not
totally
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