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Could Nadal finish #1 this year?

Scott 19 April 2005 00:12:21
 http://www.atptennis­.com/en/players/cham­pionsrace/

Rafael Nadal is currently #2 in the INDESIT rankings. He just won Monte
Carlo on clay. He almost beat Federer last week on the hard courts of
Miami. Does anyone here think Nadal just might finish #1 this year?

Nadal is a favorite to win the FO. Also, it seems possible he could take
the USO. Leaving Wimby for Fed that might be enough to make things pretty
close.

Nadal needs to work on his conditioning. The only reason he lost to Fed was
he ran out of gas.

Amazing that this kid is only 18 years old.


p.s., my message board about tennis:
http://www.mbpoliti­cs.com/MBSportsTenni­s.html



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Dr GroundAxe 19 April 2005 00:37:11 permanent link ]
 Scott wrote:> http://www.atptenni­s.com/en/players/cha­mpionsrace/>
Rafael Nadal is currently #2 in the INDESIT rankings. He just won Monte> Carlo on clay. He almost beat Federer last week on the hard courts of> Miami. Does anyone here think Nadal just might finish #1 this year?>
Nadal is a favorite to win the FO. Also, it seems possible he could take> the USO. Leaving Wimby for Fed that might be enough to make things pretty> close.>
Nadal needs to work on his conditioning. The only reason he lost to Fed was> he ran out of gas.>
Amazing that this kid is only 18 years old.>
p.s., my message board about tennis:> http://www.mbpoliti­cs.com/MBSportsTenni­s.html>


I actually expect Nadal to finish #1. I think Nadal will go through the
same kind of explosion of form that Federer had in 2003.
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John 19 April 2005 04:36:04 permanent link ]
 
"Scott" <scottloughrey@eart­hlink.net> wrote in message
news:FwU8e.8979$sp3­.8797@newsread3.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.> http://www.atptenni­s.com/en/players/cha­mpionsrace/>
Rafael Nadal is currently #2 in the INDESIT rankings. He just won Monte> Carlo on clay. He almost beat Federer last week on the hard courts of> Miami. Does anyone here think Nadal just might finish #1 this year?>
Nadal is a favorite to win the FO. Also, it seems possible he could take> the USO. Leaving Wimby for Fed that might be enough to make things pretty> close.>
Nadal needs to work on his conditioning. The only reason he lost to Fed > was> he ran out of gas.

Now if he appears to run out of gas after just one best of five set matches
then how
he is going to fare in seven best of five set matches in a grand slam. I
think stamina
will be a problem for Nadal and also unlike Miami USO is played on a faster
hard
court which suits Federer's game more than Nadal's game, Federer does have
the
advantage on grass and hard court or any type of fast court over Nadal. No,
I don't
think Nadal will finish ahead of Federer this year.>
Amazing that this kid is only 18 years old.>
p.s., my message board about tennis:> http://www.mbpoliti­cs.com/MBSportsTenni­s.html>


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Luke Tang 19 April 2005 07:25:00 permanent link ]
 Nadal may sweep Roma,Hamburge and RG in a roll:)­

"Rustbelt" <yongster@hotmail.c­om> wrote in message
news:1113876756.251­211.128550@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> No. Federer won two masters already.>


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Luke Tang 19 April 2005 07:29:34 permanent link ]
 Well, in Grand Slams, though it's best of
five match, you do have an additional day's rest after each match, so that's
to Nadal's favor.

One more thing is Nadal is still making good improvement in a weekly basis.
He
may not be able to beat Federer right now
on fast HC surface, but how about 4 months
later in USO?

"John" <jlang@ozemail.com.­au> wrote in message
news:XnY8e.19$f%3.7­04@nnrp1.ozemail.com­.au...>
"Scott" <scottloughrey@eart­hlink.net> wrote in message > news:FwU8e.8979$sp3­.8797@newsread3.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.>> http://www.atptenni­s.com/en/players/cha­mpionsrace/>>
Rafael Nadal is currently #2 in the INDESIT rankings. He just won Monte>> Carlo on clay. He almost beat Federer last week on the hard courts of>> Miami. Does anyone here think Nadal just might finish #1 this year?>>
Nadal is a favorite to win the FO. Also, it seems possible he could take>> the USO. Leaving Wimby for Fed that might be enough to make things >> pretty>> close.>>
Nadal needs to work on his conditioning. The only reason he lost to Fed >> was>> he ran out of gas.>
Now if he appears to run out of gas after just one best of five set > matches then how> he is going to fare in seven best of five set matches in a grand slam. I > think stamina> will be a problem for Nadal and also unlike Miami USO is played on a > faster hard> court which suits Federer's game more than Nadal's game, Federer does have > the> advantage on grass and hard court or any type of fast court over Nadal. > No, I don't> think Nadal will finish ahead of Federer this year.>>
Amazing that this kid is only 18 years old.>>
p.s., my message board about tennis:>> http://www.mbpoliti­cs.com/MBSportsTenni­s.html>>


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Steve 19 April 2005 08:13:00 permanent link ]
 That's assuming there are no rain delays. Wimbledon is famous for them.

"Luke Tang" <ginzton@yahoo.com>­ wrote in message
news:d41tuu$ffm$1@n­ews.Stanford.EDU...>­ Well, in Grand Slams, though it's best of> five match, you do have an additional day's rest after each match, so > that's to Nadal's favor.>
One more thing is Nadal is still making good improvement in a weekly > basis. He> may not be able to beat Federer right now> on fast HC surface, but how about 4 months> later in USO?>
"John" <jlang@ozemail.com.­au> wrote in message > news:XnY8e.19$f%3.7­04@nnrp1.ozemail.com­.au...>>
"Scott" <scottloughrey@eart­hlink.net> wrote in message >> news:FwU8e.8979$sp3­.8797@newsread3.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.>>> http://www.atptenni­s.com/en/players/cha­mpionsrace/>>>
Rafael Nadal is currently #2 in the INDESIT rankings. He just won Monte>>> Carlo on clay. He almost beat Federer last week on the hard courts of>>> Miami. Does anyone here think Nadal just might finish #1 this year?>>>
Nadal is a favorite to win the FO. Also, it seems possible he could >>> take>>> the USO. Leaving Wimby for Fed that might be enough to make things >>> pretty>>> close.>>>
Nadal needs to work on his conditioning. The only reason he lost to Fed >>> was>>> he ran out of gas.>>
Now if he appears to run out of gas after just one best of five set >> matches then how>> he is going to fare in seven best of five set matches in a grand slam. I >> think stamina>> will be a problem for Nadal and also unlike Miami USO is played on a >> faster hard>> court which suits Federer's game more than Nadal's game, Federer does >> have the>> advantage on grass and hard court or any type of fast court over Nadal. >> No, I don't>> think Nadal will finish ahead of Federer this year.>>>
Amazing that this kid is only 18 years old.>>>
p.s., my message board about tennis:>>> http://www.mbpoliti­cs.com/MBSportsTenni­s.html>>>


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Whisper 19 April 2005 11:41:19 permanent link ]
 Scott wrote:
Rafael Nadal is currently #2 in the INDESIT rankings. He just won Monte> Carlo on clay. He almost beat Federer last week on the hard courts of> Miami. Does anyone here think Nadal just might finish #1 this year?


Yes, he has a reasonable shot at it. It's either him or Fed this yr.....
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John 19 April 2005 11:54:11 permanent link ]
 
"Luke Tang" <ginzton@yahoo.com>­ wrote in message
news:d41tuu$ffm$1@n­ews.Stanford.EDU...>­ Well, in Grand Slams, though it's best of> five match, you do have an additional day's rest after each match, so > that's to Nadal's favor.

But like Nadal if he is physically getting tired after tennis a little over
2 and half
sets, that extra day of rest between each match does not necessarily mean
that is
in his favour.
One more thing is Nadal is still making good improvement in a weekly > basis. He> may not be able to beat Federer right now> on fast HC surface, but how about 4 months> later in USO?

I will wait and see and I think the major challenge of Federer is more
likely to come from
Roddick or Safin rather than Nadal, for Federer Nadal will be another
Hewitt on the faster
hard court. Federer is going to stand still with his game.>
"John" <jlang@ozemail.com.­au> wrote in message > news:XnY8e.19$f%3.7­04@nnrp1.ozemail.com­.au...>>
"Scott" <scottloughrey@eart­hlink.net> wrote in message >> news:FwU8e.8979$sp3­.8797@newsread3.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.>>> http://www.atptenni­s.com/en/players/cha­mpionsrace/>>>
Rafael Nadal is currently #2 in the INDESIT rankings. He just won Monte>>> Carlo on clay. He almost beat Federer last week on the hard courts of>>> Miami. Does anyone here think Nadal just might finish #1 this year?>>>
Nadal is a favorite to win the FO. Also, it seems possible he could >>> take>>> the USO. Leaving Wimby for Fed that might be enough to make things >>> pretty>>> close.>>>
Nadal needs to work on his conditioning. The only reason he lost to Fed >>> was>>> he ran out of gas.>>
Now if he appears to run out of gas after just one best of five set >> matches then how>> he is going to fare in seven best of five set matches in a grand slam. I >> think stamina>> will be a problem for Nadal and also unlike Miami USO is played on a >> faster hard>> court which suits Federer's game more than Nadal's game, Federer does >> have the>> advantage on grass and hard court or any type of fast court over Nadal. >> No, I don't>> think Nadal will finish ahead of Federer this year.>>>
Amazing that this kid is only 18 years old.>>>
p.s., my message board about tennis:>>> http://www.mbpoliti­cs.com/MBSportsTenni­s.html>>>


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John 19 April 2005 11:57:51 permanent link ]
 
"Luke Tang" <ginzton@yahoo.com>­ wrote in message
news:d41tmb$far$1@n­ews.Stanford.EDU...>­ Nadal may sweep Roma,Hamburge and RG in a roll:)­

If he sweep Rome and Hamburg, he will be out of RG very quickly by peaking
too early before
the GS.>
"Rustbelt" <yongster@hotmail.c­om> wrote in message > news:1113876756.251­211.128550@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..>> No. Federer won two masters already.>>


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Whisper 19 April 2005 12:35:38 permanent link ]
 Luke Tang wrote:
Nadal may sweep Roma,Hamburge and RG in a roll:)­>
"Rustbelt" <yongster@hotmail.c­om> wrote in message > news:1113876756.251­211.128550@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..>
No. Federer won two masters already.>>


Barring injury he has the talent, & should have the stamina at his age...

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Whisper 19 April 2005 12:37:58 permanent link ]
 Luke Tang wrote:
Well, in Grand Slams, though it's best of> five match, you do have an additional day's rest after each match, so that's > to Nadal's favor.>
One more thing is Nadal is still making good improvement in a weekly basis. > He> may not be able to beat Federer right now> on fast HC surface, but how about 4 months> later in USO?>

Nadal can beat Fed on every surface now except grass, & in a yr or so
can beat him there as well.

They've played twice on HC & Nadal won 1st time 6-3 6-3, & blew a 6-2
7-6 4-1 lead last week....


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John 19 April 2005 13:19:54 permanent link ]
 
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message
news:Ar39e.549$f%3.­3116@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...> Luke Tang wrote:>
Well, in Grand Slams, though it's best of>> five match, you do have an additional day's rest after each match, so >> that's to Nadal's favor.>>
One more thing is Nadal is still making good improvement in a weekly >> basis. He>> may not be able to beat Federer right now>> on fast HC surface, but how about 4 months>> later in USO?>>
Nadal can beat Fed on every surface now except grass, & in a yr or so can > beat him there as well.>
They've played twice on HC & Nadal won 1st time 6-3 6-3, & blew a 6-2 7-6 > 4-1 lead last week....

Miami has slow hard court, the court is slower than most of hard court
surface the
players compete during the USO series. Nadal can beat Fed on slow hard
court and
clay but Fed will win most of their match up on hard court, grass court and
indoor.>


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Javier Gonzalez 19 April 2005 17:28:26 permanent link ]
 aasmuna_@online.no <asadnoy@gmail.com>­ wrote:> No way. I can't see him doing much on hard courts after FO, he will be> spent by then. His style is so exhausting, and he gets no free points> off the serve.

I agree with this. To finish #1 he'll have to make more points in the
clay season than what Federer will amass during the HC season (including
wimbledon, wich, seeing Roddick's current form, looks like a walk in the
park for Fed) wich means he must romp through the claycourt season, and
if he needs to tank a set to Coria in order to 'conserve energy',
imagine how good that will go in FO.

--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile

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Dr GroundAxe 20 April 2005 04:24:29 permanent link ]
 John wrote:> "Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message > news:Ar39e.549$f%3.­3116@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...>
Luke Tang wrote:>>
Well, in Grand Slams, though it's best of>>>five match, you do have an additional day's rest after each match, so >>>that's to Nadal's favor.>>>
One more thing is Nadal is still making good improvement in a weekly >>>basis. He>>>may not be able to beat Federer right now>>>on fast HC surface, but how about 4 months>>>later in USO?>>>
Nadal can beat Fed on every surface now except grass, & in a yr or so can >>beat him there as well.>>
They've played twice on HC & Nadal won 1st time 6-3 6-3, & blew a 6-2 7-6 >>4-1 lead last week....>
Miami has slow hard court, the court is slower than most of hard court > surface the> players compete during the USO series. Nadal can beat Fed on slow hard > court and> clay but Fed will win most of their match up on hard court, grass court and > indoor.>


No he won't.
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Dr GroundAxe 20 April 2005 04:25:30 permanent link ]
 Javier Gonzalez wrote:> aasmuna_@online.no <asadnoy@gmail.com>­ wrote:>
No way. I can't see him doing much on hard courts after FO, he will be>>spent by then. His style is so exhausting, and he gets no free points>>off the serve.>
I agree with this. To finish #1 he'll have to make more points in the > clay season than what Federer will amass during the HC season (including> wimbledon, wich, seeing Roddick's current form, looks like a walk in the> park for Fed) wich means he must romp through the claycourt season, and> if he needs to tank a set to Coria in order to 'conserve energy',> imagine how good that will go in FO.>


People made the mistake of assuming Federer would win the AO, and we all
know what happened there.
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Trellek 20 April 2005 09:25:37 permanent link ]
 
"Javier Gonzalez" <jagonzal@dcc.uchil­e.cl> wrote in message
news:d4311q$cql$1@h­elcaraxe.dcc.uchile.­cl...> aasmuna_@online.no <asadnoy@gmail.com>­ wrote:>> No way. I can't see him doing much on hard courts after FO, he will be>> spent by then. His style is so exhausting, and he gets no free points>> off the serve.>
I agree with this. To finish #1 he'll have to make more points in the> clay season than what Federer will amass during the HC season (including> wimbledon, wich, seeing Roddick's current form,

Roddick's current form? Geez he's 19-4 for the year with 2 of those losses
he had to retire. CLEARLY he's in trouble.


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Javier Gonzalez 20 April 2005 17:38:09 permanent link ]
 Trellek <yeah@no.com> wrote:> Roddick's current form? Geez he's 19-4 for the year with 2 of those losses > he had to retire. CLEARLY he's in trouble.

Oh, he won San Jose... against Lee, Enqvist, Haas and Saulnier! WoW!!!
But he's losing the important matches. Lleyton still owns him. Ljubicic
on US hardcourt, with home advantage. WTF? Sounds like Andy isn't as
hot as he was on 2003... his mental meltdowns don't bode well for his
future.

His best-ranked wins are agains Davydenko on AO and Gonzalez on IW.
And Davydenko retired! Who's next? Moya? Melzer?

I wouldn't bet a dime on Andy Roddick right now.

--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile

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Javier Gonzalez 20 April 2005 17:39:34 permanent link ]
 Dr GroundAxe <groundaxe@hotmail.­co.uk> wrote:> People made the mistake of assuming Federer would win the AO, and we all > know what happened there.

Good point.

But the same goes for Nadal, he just won Montecarlo so now lots of
people are assuming he owns the whole claycourt season, including FO.

Still, my bet is that Nadal does not finish the year as #1. Top ten,
for sure, but not #1.

--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile

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Trellek 21 April 2005 21:10:40 permanent link ]
 
"Javier Gonzalez" <jagonzal@dcc.uchil­e.cl> wrote in message
news:d45m01$ji5$2@h­elcaraxe.dcc.uchile.­cl...> Trellek <yeah@no.com> wrote:>> Roddick's current form? Geez he's 19-4 for the year with 2 of those >> losses>> he had to retire. CLEARLY he's in trouble.>
Oh, he won San Jose... against Lee, Enqvist, Haas and Saulnier! WoW!!!> But he's losing the important matches. Lleyton still owns him. Ljubicic> on US hardcourt, with home advantage. WTF? Sounds like Andy isn't as> hot as he was on 2003... his mental meltdowns don't bode well for his> future.>
His best-ranked wins are agains Davydenko on AO and Gonzalez on IW.> And Davydenko retired! Who's next? Moya? Melzer?>
I wouldn't bet a dime on Andy Roddick right now.>

How can you possibly say he's in trouble though or bad form? You're
comparing 2003 to a year that hasn't finished yet. Wait until grass onwards,
and I think you'll see an improvement on clay this year. Regardless of what
you Roddick haters must think he's not THAT bad on clay.


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David Henry 24 April 2005 11:31:47 permanent link ]
 
"John" <jlang@ozemail.com.­au> wrote in message
news:XnY8e.19$f%3.7­04@nnrp1.ozemail.com­.au...>
"Scott" <scottloughrey@eart­hlink.net> wrote in message > news:FwU8e.8979$sp3­.8797@newsread3.news­.atl.earthlink.net..­.>> http://www.atptenni­s.com/en/players/cha­mpionsrace/>>
Rafael Nadal is currently #2 in the INDESIT rankings. He just won Monte>> Carlo on clay. He almost beat Federer last week on the hard courts of>> Miami. Does anyone here think Nadal just might finish #1 this year?>>
Nadal is a favorite to win the FO. Also, it seems possible he could take>> the USO. Leaving Wimby for Fed that might be enough to make things >> pretty>> close.>>
Nadal needs to work on his conditioning. The only reason he lost to Fed >> was>> he ran out of gas.>
Now if he appears to run out of gas after just one best of five set > matches then how> he is going to fare in seven best of five set matches in a grand slam. I > think stamina> will be a problem for Nadal [...snip...]


I think you have it. After Nadal lost to Federer in Miami, he said he wasn't
built for five sets.

That doesn't bode well for a slam, unless he's in such great form that he
wins most matches in straights.

I get a sense that this is a special time in men's tennis. Nadal's near-win
and Gasquet's win over Federer may lead to the king being usurped faster
than most expected.

Dave


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Whisper 24 April 2005 12:33:50 permanent link ]
 David Henry wrote:>
I think you have it. After Nadal lost to Federer in Miami, he said he wasn't > built for five sets.>
That doesn't bode well for a slam, unless he's in such great form that he > wins most matches in straights.>
I get a sense that this is a special time in men's tennis. Nadal's near-win > and Gasquet's win over Federer may lead to the king being usurped faster > than most expected.>
Dave >



Still no real evidence of that. When he's lost he's had Mp's. If he
fails to win FO and Wim we could see a big drop off in dominance....
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David Henry 24 April 2005 21:36:46 permanent link ]
 
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message
news:JRIae.571$bc7.­18829@nnrp1.ozemail.­com.au...> David Henry wrote:>>
I think you have it. After Nadal lost to Federer in Miami, he said he >> wasn't built for five sets.>>
That doesn't bode well for a slam, unless he's in such great form that he >> wins most matches in straights.>>
I get a sense that this is a special time in men's tennis. Nadal's >> near-win and Gasquet's win over Federer may lead to the king being >> usurped faster than most expected.>>
Dave>
Still no real evidence of that. When he's lost he's had Mp's. If he > fails to win FO and Wim we could see a big drop off in dominance....


I think having match points and losing stings Federer more than simply
losing a match, as it does for most players.

He's known as being a great closer. Losing the MP to Safin at the AO cost
him a slam. And losing three MP's to Gasquet, who basically has no history,
must sting, too. Again, it's weird that Fed didn't close the door

I see Federer in Graf terms. Both are high risk players that rely upon
confidence. When they're on, their domination is impressive. When they lose
that confidence, it can be a train wreck of sorts.

Two losses on the year is awesome. But you're right in the few loses he has
come at the wrong time (slams), then he likely will get deflated.

Dave


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Pedro Dias 24 April 2005 22:09:06 permanent link ]
 
"David Henry" <telemachus7@msn.co­m> wrote in message
news:2bGdncosj-KyRP­bfRVn-qg@comcast.com­...>
....> He's known as being a great closer. Losing the MP to Safin at the AO cost> him a slam. And losing three MP's to Gasquet, who basically has no
history,> must sting, too. Again, it's weird that Fed didn't close the door

He's known as a great closer? I haven't really felt that. I think he has a
tendency to coast, then raise his game at crunch time. If the opponent folds
(and most do), the he coasts home. If they don't, it's nip and tuck. It's
just that the level to which he raises his game, in most cases, is well out
of the reach of most players, on most days.
I see Federer in Graf terms. Both are high risk players that rely upon> confidence. When they're on, their domination is impressive. When they
lose> that confidence, it can be a train wreck of sorts.

Federer has plans B through Z, if his plan A isn't working. He has a million
tools and the wits to use them. Graf's plan B was basically to raise the
volume on plan A. On the other hand, it was a Hell of a plan A.
Two losses on the year is awesome. But you're right in the few loses he
come at the wrong time (slams), then he likely will get deflated.

Over time, yes. Nowhere near as fast as people here have suggested.


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Whisper 25 April 2005 07:52:17 permanent link ]
 David Henry wrote:
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message >>
Still no real evidence of that. When he's lost he's had Mp's. If he >>fails to win FO and Wim we could see a big drop off in dominance....>
I think having match points and losing stings Federer more than simply > losing a match, as it does for most players.>
He's known as being a great closer. Losing the MP to Safin at the AO cost > him a slam. And losing three MP's to Gasquet, who basically has no history, > must sting, too. Again, it's weird that Fed didn't close the door

I don't see Fed as a 'great closer' at all - on the contrary I think
he's highly suspect in close matches. Still waiting for him to prove
otherwise - I thought he had a great chance at AO when he came back from
2-5 in 5th v Safin.

I see Federer in Graf terms. Both are high risk players that rely upon > confidence. When they're on, their domination is impressive. When they lose > that confidence, it can be a train wreck of sorts.


Graf is a bit better than that - her record & absolute form is the best
we've seen. Fed's made a good start, but he's not young in tennis terms
& hasn't won enough to be compared to that level....

Two losses on the year is awesome. But you're right in the few loses he has > come at the wrong time (slams), then he likely will get deflated.>
Dave


...and they're not random losses - the pressure is far greater in slams,
& his opponents are going to give 100%.

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Whisper 25 April 2005 08:08:46 permanent link ]
 Roberts wrote:
Whisper wrote:>
Still no real evidence of that. When he's lost he's had Mp's. If he>
fails to win FO and Wim we could see a big drop off in dominance....>
A failure to win a slam this year would constitute a big drop off in> dominance. If he wins W then he has won 3 in a row, if he wins the FO> he has a career slam, and a USO would be another blue-chip, so to win> just one of those three would still not be bad.>

It would be excellent to win either one, but 3 straight Wimbledons would
bracket his name with Sampras/Borg/Perry.­

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Whisper 25 April 2005 08:12:01 permanent link ]
 Roberts wrote:>
Well, he already seems to have bounced back pretty well from his AO> defeat, but a failure at both the FO and W would be a real test of his> resillience.>


Yes, & at this point I'm thinking it's more likely he'll go slamless
this yr...
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Javier Gonzalez 25 April 2005 18:07:59 permanent link ]
 cinicke <cinicke@gmail.com>­ wrote:> Maybe Roddick needs to lost the pop on his serve for a year to realize> that the rest of his game needs serious work.

Good point!

Maybe a freak shoulder condition will force him to focus on the fact
that, without his serve, he's nothing but a fh-spraying machine... and
if the fh is off, god help him.

--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile

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Trellek 26 April 2005 13:18:49 permanent link ]
 Well I guess both of you answered my question then.

"Javier Gonzalez" <jagonzal@dcc.uchil­e.cl> wrote in message
news:d4itjv$pd9$2@h­elcaraxe.dcc.uchile.­cl...> cinicke <cinicke@gmail.com>­ wrote:>> Maybe Roddick needs to lost the pop on his serve for a year to realize>> that the rest of his game needs serious work.>
Good point!>
Maybe a freak shoulder condition will force him to focus on the fact> that, without his serve, he's nothing but a fh-spraying machine... and> if the fh is off, god help him.>
-- > Javier Gonzalez Nicolini> Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile>


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Guest 27 April 2005 02:41:01 permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-24, Pedro Dias <pedrodias@snip.net­> wrote:>
"David Henry" <telemachus7@msn.co­m> wrote in message> news:2bGdncosj-KyRP­bfRVn-qg@comcast.com­...>>
....>> He's known as being a great closer. Losing the MP to Safin at the AO cost>> him a slam. And losing three MP's to Gasquet, who basically has no> history,>> must sting, too. Again, it's weird that Fed didn't close the door>
He's known as a great closer? I haven't really felt that. I think he has a> tendency to coast, then raise his game at crunch time. If the opponent folds> (and most do), the he coasts home. If they don't, it's nip and tuck. It's> just that the level to which he raises his game, in most cases, is well out> of the reach of most players, on most days.

Basically he's a bit lazy and overconfident...I'v­e gotten the same feeling
that he hasn't really played great tennis this year.
Perhaps aloof arrogance isn't such a unfair characterization by GroundAxe...
I'm fan of Fed but I have to wonder a bit on his recent form
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David Henry 28 April 2005 16:16:20 permanent link ]
 
<MathDude@NOSPAM.co­m> wrote in message
news:slrnd6tgrt.166­.MathDude@cscf.cs.uw­aterloo.ca...> On 2005-04-24, Pedro Dias <pedrodias@snip.net­> wrote:>>
"David Henry" <telemachus7@msn.co­m> wrote in message>> news:2bGdncosj-KyRP­bfRVn-qg@comcast.com­...>>>
....>>> He's known as being a great closer. Losing the MP to Safin at the AO >>> cost>>> him a slam. And losing three MP's to Gasquet, who basically has no>> history,>>> must sting, too. Again, it's weird that Fed didn't close the door>>
He's known as a great closer? I haven't really felt that. I think he has >> a>> tendency to coast, then raise his game at crunch time. If the opponent >> folds>> (and most do), the he coasts home. If they don't, it's nip and tuck. It's>> just that the level to which he raises his game, in most cases, is well >> out>> of the reach of most players, on most days.>
Basically he's a bit lazy and overconfident...I'v­e gotten the same feeling> that he hasn't really played great tennis this year.> Perhaps aloof arrogance isn't such a unfair characterization by > GroundAxe...> I'm fan of Fed but I have to wonder a bit on his recent form

It's not. I've always considered Federer to be a bit smug, in a similar vain
that Sampras was. But I think Fed is worse. I still can't get over the fact
that he likes to watch himself play. That speaks to being vainglorious to
me.

I just about Deuce yesterday. I'll take a read of it and maybe I'll see how
my opinion changes. But again, when he's called The One and is being made
out to be a "global ambassador," it's probably all going to his head. Give
it a little time and he'll look like Stewie from the Family Guy.

For those that don't know who Stewie is:
http://www.fox.com/­familyguy/bios/stewi­e.htm

Dave


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David Henry 28 April 2005 16:19:06 permanent link ]
 
"John" <jlang@ozemail.com.­au> wrote in message
news:1349e.599$f%3.­3445@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...>
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message > news:Ar39e.549$f%3.­3116@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...>> Luke Tang wrote:>>
Well, in Grand Slams, though it's best of>>> five match, you do have an additional day's rest after each match, so >>> that's to Nadal's favor.>>>
One more thing is Nadal is still making good improvement in a weekly >>> basis. He>>> may not be able to beat Federer right now>>> on fast HC surface, but how about 4 months>>> later in USO?>>>
Nadal can beat Fed on every surface now except grass, & in a yr or so can >> beat him there as well.>>
They've played twice on HC & Nadal won 1st time 6-3 6-3, & blew a 6-2 7-6 >> 4-1 lead last week....>
Miami has slow hard court, the court is slower than most of hard court > surface the> players compete during the USO series. Nadal can beat Fed on slow hard > court and> clay but Fed will win most of their match up on hard court, grass court > and indoor.

As great a player is Fed is, it's still about the matchup. Federer doesn't
like playing lefties -- he almost lost to Ivo Minar this year -- especially
one as potent as Nadal.

I think Fed has found his waterloo in Nadal. If Rafa can stay healthy and
get a few cracks at Fed during the year, I'd say he'll come up with two
wins.

Dave


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Kunndi 29 April 2005 06:25:18 permanent link ]
 "David Henry" <telemachus7@msn.co­m> wrote in message
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<snip>> that Sampras was. But I think Fed is worse. I still can't get over the > fact that he likes to watch himself play. That speaks to being > vainglorious to

Yeah, but would he PAY to watch himself play, as Pat MacEnroe says he will
(to watch Fed play)?!
:)­

<snip>


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Kris 29 April 2005 19:10:54 permanent link ]
 

David Henry wrote:
I did figure that Gonzo would beat Fed because it was Fed's first tournament > on clay and Gonzo is pretty accomplished on the dirt. It went three, so I > wasn't terribly far off.

Fed was serving for the match in the 2nd set - it could have been an
easy straight setter.
My picks over Fed are calculated. He's had a few third set tiebreak escapes > this year already, so I figure a few accomplished players on their favorite > surfaces can get to him.>
Federer is losing focus and failing to step on the pedal after getting a
lead this year. That's why he failed to close out matches where he won
the first set / was serving for match in the second set etc. (e.g.
Zabaleta, Ancic, Safin, Gasquet, Gonzalez matches). The biggest
indicator is his tiebreak record: last year it was an astounding 21-5,
this year it's 8-6. The two matches he lost were in situations where he
had good leads/matchpoints in TB's and lost them. Probably because he is
a little complacent after his success last year. Furthermore, all his
opponents treat every match like a GS final and play with a cornered cat
mentality as they have nothing to lose.
As for Nadal, I really do get a sense of fear for him from Federer. The > amount of praise Fed heaps on Nadal as a current top player seems like > adulation. Sampras gave kudos to Hewitt and Safin, but only after 2000 when > he sensed he was in his twilight and winding down. It's unusual for a > current top player in his prime to gush over a young up and comer the way > Fed does Nadal. I get the feel he's already setting the stage in case he > loses. Plus, Fed doesn't like to play lefties, and Nadal is the best left > there is now -- and he doesn't fear Federer.

I think the challenge from Nadal will help Fed regain his focus and
hunger of last year. He will probably be much more aggressive and intent
now. He showed signs of that in the Miami final where he was hitting
bigger and approaching the net much more than usual. Nadal will bring
out the best in Fed from now on.

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Whisper 30 April 2005 03:26:53 permanent link ]
 Kris wrote:


Furthermore, all his> opponents treat every match like a GS final and play with a cornered cat > mentality as they have nothing to lose.>


Woopy doo - now you know how Sampras felt for *12 yrs*. Fed has 11 to
go....

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David Henry 30 April 2005 03:52:28 permanent link ]
 
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message
news:%ozce.360$sd7.­7953@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...> Kris wrote:>
Furthermore, all his>> opponents treat every match like a GS final and play with a cornered cat >> mentality as they have nothing to lose.>>
Woopy doo - now you know how Sampras felt for *12 yrs*. Fed has 11 to > go....


So then imagine how Graf felt for every year she played since 88....

Dave


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Kris 30 April 2005 08:15:11 permanent link ]
 

Whisper wrote:> Kris wrote:>
Furthermore, all his>
opponents treat every match like a GS final and play with a cornered >> cat mentality as they have nothing to lose.>>
Woopy doo - now you know how Sampras felt for *12 yrs*. Fed has 11 to > go....>
Yes, Sampras was the one with the bull's eye in the 90's.

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Whisper 30 April 2005 13:29:26 permanent link ]
 David Henry wrote:
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message > news:%ozce.360$sd7.­7953@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...>
Kris wrote:>>
Furthermore, all his>>
opponents treat every match like a GS final and play with a cornered cat >>>mentality as they have nothing to lose.>>>
Woopy doo - now you know how Sampras felt for *12 yrs*. Fed has 11 to >>go....>
So then imagine how Graf felt for every year she played since 88....>
Dave >


Same deal for Sampras - 1990 til end of his career......
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