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GYXU > Tennis > lubijic is tough... 13 March 2005 15:49:44

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StephenJ 7 March 2005 06:18:28
 .. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it
validates his good results at other events.

he's definitely a guy to beat right now..

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David Henry 7 March 2005 06:25:58 permanent link ]
 
"StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­ wrote in message
news:JSOWd.3177$Ru.­2591@okepread06...> .. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it> validates his good results at other events.>
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..


Second hottest player on tour, definitely.

Shame he won't get point for these wins, but his mental state now has to be
sky high.

He's always had game; he's just not choking now, and it's nice to see.

Congrats Ivan and Croatia.

Dave


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Pedro Dias 7 March 2005 11:11:34 permanent link ]
 
"David Henry" <telemachus7@msn.co­m> wrote in message
news:x5ydnUwOnI4kJr­bfRVn-sQ@comcast.com­...>
"StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­ wrote in message> news:JSOWd.3177$Ru.­2591@okepread06...> > .. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it> > validates his good results at other events.> >
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..>
Second hottest player on tour, definitely.>
Shame he won't get point for these wins, but his mental state now has to
sky high.>
He's always had game; he's just not choking now, and it's nice to see.>
Congrats Ivan and Croatia.>
Third, surely? Or are we assuming Safin has gone off the boil?


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Whisper 7 March 2005 15:04:05 permanent link ]
 StephenJ wrote:
.. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it> validates his good results at other events.>
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..>


Atm good for slam qtrs, maybe semis, but little chance of actually
winning a slam....

He'll be washed up within a yr so should maximise his efforts this yr &
try to make a slam semi.....
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Javier Gonzalez 7 March 2005 16:26:46 permanent link ]
 Pedro Dias <pedrodias@snip.net­> wrote:> Third, surely? Or are we assuming Safin has gone off the boil?

Hmmmm, don't know, Safin had a hard time beating Gonzalez, in moscow,
on a court custom-made for him, with some mightly stinky line calls (*). Broke
him once in five sets (unfortunately, that was enough to win 7-6(4), 7-6(5),
1-6 (!!!), 6-7(3), 6-4.

(*) Chair ump even had to call balls that fell long almost a foot away from
the baseline because the linesmen where mute, blind, or both.

--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile

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Sakari Lund 7 March 2005 16:37:31 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 01:57:03 -0700, "David Henry" <telemachus7@msn.co­m>
wrote:
Could be. He lost his first round to Keifer in Dubai.>
Safin won Melbourne in January. At this point, Safin and Hewitt haven't >played much since reaching the AO final. Neither is hot anymore.>
In the meantime, Federer has continued winning tournaments, and Lubjicic has >been right there with him making finals. Add his two wins over Agassi and >Roddick on US hardcourts and he's the second hottest player at the moment.>
I think Ivan will be this year's Scheuttler from 03. I bet he stays parked >in the top ten for most of the year and perhaps will make the Masters Cup.

Are you trying to imitate Jaros here? Safin, Hewitt, Federer, Agassi
and Roddick have won slams, so spell the names correctly. Kiefer,
Ljubicic and Schüttler have not, so spell the names incorrectly. I
don't think that was your intention, but it fits amazingly well...
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Sakari Lund 7 March 2005 16:39:06 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:18:28 -0600, "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­
wrote:
.. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it>validates his good results at other events.>
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..

He has only been losing to Federer, and usually very close. You had to
be Whisper to have Roddick as a favourite against him.
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Marius Hancu 7 March 2005 16:40:55 permanent link ]
 Javier Gonzalez wrote:
Hmmmm, don't know, Safin had a hard time beating Gonzalez, in moscow,> on a court custom-made for him, with some mightly stinky line calls (*). Broke > him once in five sets (unfortunately, that was enough to win 7-6(4), 7-6(5), > 1-6 (!!!), 6-7(3), 6-4.>
(*) Chair ump even had to call balls that fell long almost a foot away from> the baseline because the linesmen where mute, blind, or both.

Yes, I heard about one.

Marius Hancu
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Ukrfan 7 March 2005 17:04:19 permanent link ]
 "Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.­com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
news:4pio21509qg2je­gj2mm6eeb0g2e8otenip­@4ax.com...> On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:18:28 -0600, "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­> wrote:>
.. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it> >validates his good results at other events.> >
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..>
He has only been losing to Federer, and usually very close. You had to> be Whisper to have Roddick as a favourite against him.

Well, now come on !

Australian Open R64 Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP ) 76 6-7(1) 4-6 7-6(2) 2-6


Milan
S Stepanek, Radek (CZE ) 21 4-6 2-6


Marseille
F Johansson, Joachim (SWE ) 8 5-7 4-6



--
Regards, Yury


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Javier Gonzalez 7 March 2005 21:53:51 permanent link ]
 Marius Hancu <NOSPAM@videotron.c­a> wrote:>> Hmmmm, don't know, Safin had a hard time beating Gonzalez, in moscow,>> on a court custom-made for him, with some mightly stinky line calls (*). Broke >> him once in five sets (unfortunately, that was enough to win 7-6(4), 7-6(5), >> 1-6 (!!!), 6-7(3), 6-4.>>
(*) Chair ump even had to call balls that fell long almost a foot away from>> the baseline because the linesmen where mute, blind, or both.>
Yes, I heard about one.

I almost choked on my breakfast when I saw that one. I mean, bad calls
are nothing new, bad calls that favor the home team are nothing new, but
bad calls for balls THAT grossly out is WTF material.

--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingeniero Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile

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Whisper 7 March 2005 23:08:56 permanent link ]
 Sakari Lund wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:18:28 -0600, "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­> wrote:>
.. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it>>validates his good results at other events.>>
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..>
He has only been losing to Federer, and usually very close. You had to> be Whisper to have Roddick as a favourite against him.


If they played again today I'd still have Roddick as fave. You have to
go with the better player, even if they are slumping....
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Pedro Dias 8 March 2005 00:19:30 permanent link ]
 
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message
news:6F1Xd.324$4P2.­9968@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...> Sakari Lund wrote:>
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:18:28 -0600, "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­> > wrote:> >
.. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it> >>validates his good results at other events.> >>
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..> >
He has only been losing to Federer, and usually very close. You had to> > be Whisper to have Roddick as a favourite against him.>
If they played again today I'd still have Roddick as fave. You have to> go with the better player, even if they are slumping....

The Ljubicic I watched yesterday *is* the better player. Roddick played
roughly to his usual standard, and got beat.

Now, Roddick has sustained this level for well over a year now, and Ljubicic
has only held his for a couple of months. So I have more confidence that
Roddick will continue to play at this level. But if they both do, Ljubicic
is the better player.


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Bob 8 March 2005 06:17:13 permanent link ]
 
"StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­ wrote in message
news:JSOWd.3177$Ru.­2591@okepread06...> .. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it> validates his good results at other events.>
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..

had the good fortune to watch lubicic/clement from front row on an outside
court at miami last yr, he completely overpowerd clement, was toying with
him..he's a big guy, pretty big hitter..

bob


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Whisper 8 March 2005 10:54:03 permanent link ]
 Pedro Dias wrote:
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message
If they played again today I'd still have Roddick as fave. You have to>>go with the better player, even if they are slumping....>
The Ljubicic I watched yesterday *is* the better player. Roddick played> roughly to his usual standard, and got beat.>
Now, Roddick has sustained this level for well over a year now, and Ljubicic> has only held his for a couple of months. So I have more confidence that> Roddick will continue to play at this level. But if they both do, Ljubicic> is the better player.>



You think Ivan will have a better career than Roddick?

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David Henry 8 March 2005 12:13:20 permanent link ]
 
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message
news:7_bXd.304$pS3.­2792@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...> Pedro Dias wrote:>
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message>
If they played again today I'd still have Roddick as fave. You have to>>>go with the better player, even if they are slumping....>>
The Ljubicic I watched yesterday *is* the better player. Roddick played>> roughly to his usual standard, and got beat.>>
Now, Roddick has sustained this level for well over a year now, and >> Ljubicic>> has only held his for a couple of months. So I have more confidence that>> Roddick will continue to play at this level. But if they both do, >> Ljubicic>> is the better player.>>
You think Ivan will have a better career than Roddick?

I think he means head to head. It's already too late for Ivan to have a
better career than Roddick.

Dave


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Roger That 8 March 2005 12:55:30 permanent link ]
 bob a écrit :> had the good fortune to watch lubicic/clement from front row on an outside > court at miami last yr, he completely overpowerd clement, was toying with > him..he's a big guy, pretty big hitter..

Almost anyone beats Clement since one year.
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Pedro Dias 8 March 2005 20:03:27 permanent link ]
 
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message
news:7_bXd.304$pS3.­2792@nnrp1.ozemail.c­om.au...> Pedro Dias wrote:>
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.­com.au> wrote in message>
If they played again today I'd still have Roddick as fave. You have to> >>go with the better player, even if they are slumping....> >
The Ljubicic I watched yesterday *is* the better player. Roddick played> > roughly to his usual standard, and got beat.> >
Now, Roddick has sustained this level for well over a year now, and
Ljubicic> > has only held his for a couple of months. So I have more confidence that> > Roddick will continue to play at this level. But if they both do,
Ljubicic> > is the better player.> >
You think Ivan will have a better career than Roddick?>
*If* Roddick fails to improve his game - and he seems stuck in gear right
now -, and *if* Ljubicic can sustain this level of play over a career (maybe
even improve some things), then yes - if we're talking *future* careers,
that is. But I don't see either as by any means certain.


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Sakari Lund 9 March 2005 01:06:23 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:04:19 +0200, "Ukrfan" <ukrfan_fo@yahoo.co­m>
wrote:
"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.­com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:>news:4pi­o21509qg2jegj2mm6eeb­0g2e8otenip@4ax.com.­..>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:18:28 -0600, "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­>> wrote:>>
.. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it>> >validates his good results at other events.>> >
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..>>
He has only been losing to Federer, and usually very close. You had to>> be Whisper to have Roddick as a favourite against him.>
Well, now come on !>
Australian Open R64 Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP ) 76 6-7(1) 4-6 7-6(2) 2-6>
Milan> S Stepanek, Radek (CZE ) 21 4-6 2-6>
Marseille> F Johansson, Joachim (SWE ) 8 5-7 4-6


OK, that was a little exaggeration. But what odds did you give before
the match? Who did you think was the favourite?


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Bob 9 March 2005 04:34:45 permanent link ]
 
"Roger That" <fabsk+news@free.fr­> wrote in message
news:422d6809$0$318­39$636a15ce@news.fre­e.fr...> bob a écrit :>> had the good fortune to watch lubicic/clement from front row on an >> outside court at miami last yr, he completely overpowerd clement, was >> toying with him..he's a big guy, pretty big hitter..>
Almost anyone beats Clement since one year.

true, the match was a foregone conclusion, but i thought ljubicic had some
talent..he lost focus a bit, but i think he's a solid top 10 type player.

bob


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Ukrfan 13 March 2005 15:49:44 permanent link ]
 "Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.­com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
news:9s4s21h9neee59­mmijt4clgugdfcf035pf­@4ax.com...> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:04:19 +0200, "Ukrfan" <ukrfan_fo@yahoo.co­m>> wrote:>
"Sakari Lund" <sakari.lund@welho.­com> ???????/???????? ? ????????
?????????:> >news:4pio21509qg2j­egj2mm6eeb0g2e8oteni­p@4ax.com...> >> On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:18:28 -0600, "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­> >> wrote:> >>
.. beating agassi and roddick on US hard courts is no small feat. it> >> >validates his good results at other events.> >> >
he's definitely a guy to beat right now..> >>
He has only been losing to Federer, and usually very close. You had to> >> be Whisper to have Roddick as a favourite against him.> >
Well, now come on !> >
Australian Open R64 Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP ) 76 6-7(1) 4-6 7-6(2) 2-6> >
Milan> > S Stepanek, Radek (CZE ) 21 4-6 2-6> >
Marseille> > F Johansson, Joachim (SWE ) 8 5-7 4-6>
OK, that was a little exaggeration. But what odds did you give before> the match? Who did you think was the favourite?

Every bookie had Roddick as huge favourite. Agassi was favoured pretty
clear, too.

--
Regards, Yury




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