Ivan Lendl leads head-head against 23 different slam winners
Guest 3 March 2005 01:15:18
Thought Micheal Stich lead against 13 different slam winners is amazing?
check this one out.
Ivan Lendl's winning/tie head-head records:
Vs Arthur Ashe 1-0 Vs Ilie Nastase 1-0 vs Jimmy Connors 22-13 vs Manuel Orantes 3-0 vs Mark Edmondson 2-0 vs Adriano Panatta 2-1 vs Roscoe Tanner 3-2 vs Guillermo Vilas 10-5 vs Vitas Gerulaitis 3-3 vs John McEnroe 21-15 vs Brian Teacher 9-1 vs Johan Kriek 10-0 vs Yannick Noah 11-7 vs Mats Wilander 15-7 vs Boris Becker 11-10 vs Pat Cash 5-3 vs Michael Chang 5-2 vs Andres Gomez 17-2 vs Jim Courier 4-0 vs Michael Stich 6-1 vs Sergi Bruguera 1-1 vs Thomas Muster 4-1 vs Goran Ivanisevic 5-1
Ivan Lendl's losing head-head Records:
vs Bjorn Borg 2-5 vs Stefan Edberg 14-13 (Edberg won last 3 wins in 1992 - 2 of them 5 setters, last win was 7-6 in the 5th) vs Pete Sampras 3-5 (Sampras won last 2 in 1994 - really irrelevant. We can assume they were tied) vs Patrick Rafter 0-1 (Rafter won in 1994 - really irrelevant) vs Richard Krajicek 2-1 (both wins in 1992)
<robvanzant@email.com> wrote in message news:1109312778.607924.133220@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Thought Micheal Stich lead against 13 different slam winners is> amazing?>
check this one out.>
Ivan Lendl's winning/tie head-head records:>
Vs Arthur Ashe 1-0> Vs Ilie Nastase 1-0> vs Jimmy Connors 22-13> vs Manuel Orantes 3-0> vs Mark Edmondson 2-0> vs Adriano Panatta 2-1> vs Roscoe Tanner 3-2> vs Guillermo Vilas 10-5> vs Vitas Gerulaitis 3-3> vs John McEnroe 21-15> vs Brian Teacher 9-1> vs Johan Kriek 10-0> vs Yannick Noah 11-7> vs Mats Wilander 15-7> vs Boris Becker 11-10> vs Pat Cash 5-3> vs Michael Chang 5-2> vs Andres Gomez 17-2> vs Jim Courier 4-0> vs Michael Stich 6-1> vs Sergi Bruguera 1-1> vs Thomas Muster 4-1> vs Goran Ivanisevic 5-1>
Ivan Lendl's losing head-head Records:>
vs Bjorn Borg 2-5> vs Stefan Edberg 14-13 (Edberg won last 3 wins in 1992 - 2 of them 5> setters, last win was 7-6 in the 5th)> vs Pete Sampras 3-5 (Sampras won last 2 in 1994 - really irrelevant. We> can assume they were tied)> vs Patrick Rafter 0-1 (Rafter won in 1994 - really irrelevant)> vs Richard Krajicek 2-1 (both wins in 1992)>
<robvanzant@email.com> wrote in message news:1109312778.607924.133220@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Thought Micheal Stich lead against 13 different slam winners is> amazing?>
check this one out.>
Ivan Lendl's winning/tie head-head records:>
Vs Arthur Ashe 1-0 -> Vs Ilie Nastase 1-0 -> vs Jimmy Connors 22-13 -> vs Manuel Orantes 3-0> vs Mark Edmondson 2-0> vs Adriano Panatta 2-1> vs Roscoe Tanner 3-2> vs Guillermo Vilas 10-5> vs Vitas Gerulaitis 3-3> vs John McEnroe 21-15> vs Brian Teacher 9-1> vs Johan Kriek 10-0> vs Yannick Noah 11-7> vs Mats Wilander 15-7> vs Boris Becker 11-10> vs Pat Cash 5-3> vs Michael Chang 5-2> vs Andres Gomez 17-2> vs Jim Courier 4-0> vs Michael Stich 6-1> vs Sergi Bruguera 1-1> vs Thomas Muster 4-1> vs Goran Ivanisevic 5-1>
Ivan Lendl's losing head-head Records:>
vs Bjorn Borg 2-5> vs Stefan Edberg 14-13 (Edberg won last 3 wins in 1992 - 2 of them 5> setters, last win was 7-6 in the 5th)> vs Pete Sampras 3-5 (Sampras won last 2 in 1994 - really irrelevant. We> can assume they were tied)
those were irrelevant, but his 1-0 over ashe is relevant?
The Terminator 26 February 2005 05:54:48 [ permanent link ]
Mikko Ämmälä wrote:> "stephenj" <sjaros3@home.com> kirjoitti viestissä> news:1109351189.019566.25620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> > What was Lendl's record at slams vs. top players..?>
Top player = 4 slams of more>
vs Borg 0-1> vs Mac 7-3 (81-85 4-2 to Lendl)> vs Connors 4-3 (81-84 0-3)> vs Edberg 4-4 (Lendl lost last three 91-92)> vs Becker 1-5 (at Wimbledon 0-4)> vs Wilander 5-5> vs Agassi 2-0 (88-89)> vs Courier 1-0 (89)> vs Sampras 0-2 (last being 94)>
Total 24-23 // not that great
Remove all his losses on grass.
He lost to Becker thrice in Wimbledon, Edberg twice on grass (once in AO, once in Wim), lost to Mac once in Wimbledon, once to Wilander in AO, once to Connors in Wimbledon
Also remove the losses to Sampras - he has past his peak. Remove the loss to Becker in AO 91 (past his peak again).
That means it is 24 -12 (which is excellent)
Strangely Lendl vs Vilas is 10-5 but they never met at slams (as like> Wilander never met Connors at slams)>
Comparing to Sampras (players with 4 slams or more)
Thats wrong. You should look his head-head against his won peers. Not against oldies.
vs Agassi 6-3
vs Becker 3-0 // oldy... does not count> vs Edberg 0-2 vs Wilander 1-0 // does not count> vs Federer 0-1 vs Lendl 2-0 // does not count> vs Courier 6-2 (Sampras really took some slams off from Courier as like he> did from Agassi) vs Mac 1-0 // does not count>
Total 19-8 (which is incredible)
Wins over geriatric Lendl, Wilander, McEnroe, Connors should not count. So it is 12-8 (Compare it to Lendl 24-12). Not that great.
...and comparing to Borg (4 slams or more)>
vs Connors 5-3> vs Mac 1-3> vs Vilas 3-0> vs Laver 1-0 // old Laver 75
//does not count against Laver
vs Lendl 1-0>
11-6>
...and finally for Mac>
vs Borg 3-1> vs Connors 6-3> vs Lendl 3-7> vs Wilander 2-3 !!> vs Becker 1-0> vs Edberg 1-2> vs Agassi 0-1> vs Courier 0-1>
17-18>
Mac-Vilas is 6-6 but they never played at slams...>
"The Terminator" <villainintown@rediffmail.com> wrote in message>>news:1109430558.319274.157390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>>
becker 1st won wimbledon in 86 at 16? he was 19 yrs old in 1989? 21>
1991? give me a break..becker finally played other big extremely>
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hitters by the early 90s, that's why he didn't win another>
wimbledon..if>
becker peaked at age 16, then shame on him.>>
Early bloomers like Becker and Hingis screw up later in their career.> That is called peaking too soon. The young Becker was No.2 in the world> as of 1986. In the 86 Masters against Lendl, people were already> talking he should be No.1 if he won that match, which he didnt.>
"Whisper" <beaver999@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:0c6Ud.347$M27.15504@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...> robvanzant@email.com wrote:>
bob wrote:>>
"The Terminator" <villainintown@rediffmail.com> wrote in message>>>news:1109430558.319274.157390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>>>
becker 1st won wimbledon in 86 at 16? he was 19 yrs old in 1989? 21>>
1991? give me a break..becker finally played other big extremely>>
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hitters by the early 90s, that's why he didn't win another>>
wimbledon..if>>
becker peaked at age 16, then shame on him.>>>
Early bloomers like Becker and Hingis screw up later in their career.>> That is called peaking too soon. The young Becker was No.2 in the world>> as of 1986. In the 86 Masters against Lendl, people were already>> talking he should be No.1 if he won that match, which he didnt.>>
Maybe players work out how to play them?
spot on..and another factor, becker's style (big guy, super big hitter) was quite revolutionary in 1986; not so by early 90s..
