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GYXU > Soccer > Draws 22 April 2005 02:20:23

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Victoria Barrett 21 April 2005 00:39:46
 I have a chum on IRC who bet on some matches. Most of the ones he bet
on are turning out to be draws, instead of the wins or losses he
tipped. 7 draws in fact, to date.

Now I don't know the first thing about betting (and I'm not a
Statistician like so many on RSS, but is there a statistical
computation about draws versus wins-losses?

I'm not sure I put that correctly though. I'm just curious in a way
people are sometimes curious about dice rolls, etc. :)­
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Ruud 21 April 2005 03:58:07 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:39:46 -0400, Victoria Barrett
<vbarrett@the-beach­.net> wrote:
I have a chum on IRC who bet on some matches. Most of the ones he bet>on are turning out to be draws, instead of the wins or losses he>tipped. 7 draws in fact, to date.>
Now I don't know the first thing about betting (and I'm not a>Statistician like so many on RSS, but is there a statistical>computa­tion about draws versus wins-losses?>
I'm not sure I put that correctly though. I'm just curious in a way>people are sometimes curious about dice rolls, etc. :)­

If 33% of games are drawn then the prob of 7 draws (in 7 games) is

.33 * .33 * .33 * .33 * .33 * .33 * .33 = i can't be stuffed opening
excel. OK, so it's .00042

You'd also have to take into count other things (position of the teams
on the table, who is playing at home etc etc) though.

In the EPL this season I think 40% of games (96/335) have been drawn.
That's a lot more than usual isn't it? I remember a few years ago it
was 25%.
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Ruud 21 April 2005 04:00:20 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:58:07 GMT, ruud <no_email@hotmail.s­cum> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:39:46 -0400, Victoria Barrett><vbarrett@t­he-beach.net> wrote:
In the EPL this season I think 40% of games (96/335) have been drawn.>That's a lot more than usual isn't it? I remember a few years ago it>was 25%.

Oops, it's only 28% are draws, must be the drugs I'm taking, sorry.

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Victoria Barrett 21 April 2005 08:07:44 permanent link ]
 On 20 Apr 2005 16:26:35 -0700, oneofcold@yahoo.com­ wrote:
"Now I don't know the first thing about betting (and I'm not a>Statistician like so many on RSS, but is there a statistical>computa­tion about draws versus wins-losses?"

Blimey, is that you Majin? Either that, or another webtv user or
perhaps Google has quoting kinks.

Well whoever you are, I'm surprised you understood my question. ;)
In the World Cup and European Championship, I've heard that the betting>public tends to overbet favorites and big-name teams (like Argentina,>England,­ Germany, and Italy even at times when their current teams>aren't any good), and underbet draws and underdogs (especially strong>lesser-known­ teams from Africa and Eastern Europe).

Indeed. But it's cultural too, no, since some cultures have this
"underdog/minnow" affection.
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Huw Morris 21 April 2005 11:35:55 permanent link ]
 ruud wrote:> In the EPL this season I think 40% of games (96/335) have been drawn.> That's a lot more than usual isn't it? I remember a few years ago it> was 25%.

Blame West Brom's inability to hold onto a lead.

Huw

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Futbolmetrix 21 April 2005 13:50:31 permanent link ]
 
"Victoria Barrett" <vbarrett@the-beach­.net> wrote in message
news:4afd61peave44a­0prpvdd2ue3t2rmlpjm0­@4ax.com...> I have a chum on IRC who bet on some matches. Most of the ones he bet> on are turning out to be draws, instead of the wins or losses he> tipped. 7 draws in fact, to date.>
Now I don't know the first thing about betting (and I'm not a> Statistician like so many on RSS, but is there a statistical> computation about draws versus wins-losses?

Serie A, Percentage draws

1929-2004: 31.4%
1995-2004: 28.7%


English First Division/Premier League:

1929-1999: 25.5 %
1995-1999: 28.3 %


The percentage draws is very strongly correlated with the goal per game
average. Obviously, the higher the number of goals, the lower the
probability that the match ends in a draw. That's why there's such a large
gap in the historical average between Italy and England (England used to
have a much higher gpg average), but it has nearly completely vanished
recently.

Daniele



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Victoria Barrett 22 April 2005 02:20:23 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:50:31 +0200, "Futbolmetrix"
<futbolmetrix@yahoo­.com> wrote:>Serie A, Percentage draws>
1929-2004: 31.4%>1995-2004: 28.7%>
English First Division/Premier League:>
1929-1999: 25.5 %>1995-1999: 28.3 %>
The percentage draws is very strongly correlated with the goal per game>average. Obviously, the higher the number of goals, the lower the>probability that the match ends in a draw. That's why there's such a large>gap in the historical average between Italy and England (England used to>have a much higher gpg average), but it has nearly completely vanished>recently.

Interesting! Thank you so much for the stats (which I knew you might
have, being self-referential after all).

As you say, the gap has recently vanished, but it's curious to note
that Serie A sides seemed to have been much more balanced previously.

If a draw implies parity, if only for that one moment, the strength of
side must have been more equal before.

And if the EPL has just been a two-or-at-most-thre­e horse race to the
top since inception, it seems for a brief span between 1995-1999,
things leveled off then...
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