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GYXU > Soccer > Dodgy CL Rule change 10 March 2005 14:49:09

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Dodgy CL Rule change

Victoria Barrett 10 March 2005 01:53:03
 As being discussed by BBC comms that IF Liverpool win the CL, and
their current position of 5th disqualifying them from defending their
trophy (not having finished 4th, and not having automatic
qualification), could UEFA twist the rules to add a clause where the
CL winners MUST be entered into the next years competition?

Thus screwing Everton, who are 4th right now, and would have to go to
the UEFA CUP!

Are what they saying possible, and/or correct??
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James Allnutt 10 March 2005 01:55:33 permanent link ]
 Victoria Barrett wrote:
As being discussed by BBC comms that IF Liverpool win the CL, and> their current position of 5th disqualifying them from defending their> trophy (not having finished 4th, and not having automatic> qualification), could UEFA twist the rules to add a clause where the> CL winners MUST be entered into the next years competition?>
Thus screwing Everton, who are 4th right now, and would have to go to> the UEFA CUP!>
Are what they saying possible, and/or correct??

The rules already state max of 4 teams from England. The rules wouldn't
be twisted - basically, Everton would be screwed by this result and just
miss out. Just as some Spanish team were back a few years ago when
Real(?) won the CL but missed top four in Spain.

James
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Victoria Barrett 10 March 2005 01:55:50 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:53:03 -0500, Victoria Barrett
<vbarrett@the-beach­.net> wrote:
As being discussed by BBC comms that IF Liverpool win the CL, and>their current position of 5th disqualifying them from defending their>trophy (not having finished 4th, and not having automatic>qualifica­tion), could UEFA twist the rules to add a clause where the>CL winners MUST be entered into the next years competition?>
Thus screwing Everton, who are 4th right now, and would have to go to>the UEFA CUP!>
Are what they saying possible, and/or correct??

BBC comms should have checked this first:

http://www.uefa.com­/competitions/UCL/ne­ws/Kind=1/newsId=268­457.html
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Victoria Barrett 10 March 2005 01:59:22 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:55:33 +1100, James Allnutt
<James@webgopullthe­otherone.au> wrote:>The rules already state max of 4 teams from England. The rules wouldn't >be twisted - basically, Everton would be screwed by this result and just >miss out. Just as some Spanish team were back a few years ago when >Real(?) won the CL but missed top four in Spain.

So Everton really really want Chelsea to win the CL, as Paul Chan said
on #ecrss.
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Quake 10 March 2005 02:27:28 permanent link ]
 Victoria Barrett wrote:
So Everton really really want Chelsea to win the CL, as Paul Chan said> on #ecrss.

Chelsea or any team but Liverpool
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Victoria Barrett 10 March 2005 02:32:49 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:27:28 +0100, Quake <quake@abc.xyz.inva­lid>
wrote:>Victoria Barrett wrote:>
So Everton really really want Chelsea to win the CL, as Paul Chan said>> on #ecrss.>
Chelsea or any team but Liverpool

Did you know the Merseyside derby is due up Saturday week? Everton
have that much more reason to want to knock out their intercity
rivals!

I'll PPV it or watch it on delay, since Everton have had the
upper-hand of late, but now Liverpool should be fighting tooth and
nail for 4th spot.
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Anders T 10 March 2005 02:35:23 permanent link ]
 Quoting Victoria Barrett in rec.sport.soccer:>A­s being discussed by BBC comms that IF Liverpool win the CL, and>their current position of 5th disqualifying them from defending their>trophy (not having finished 4th, and not having automatic>qualifica­tion), could UEFA twist the rules to add a clause where the>CL winners MUST be entered into the next years competition?>
Thus screwing Everton, who are 4th right now, and would have to go to>the UEFA CUP!>
Are what they saying possible, and/or correct??

IFs (IFFs) aside.
Liverpool won't win the ECL.


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Theposh 10 March 2005 02:40:31 permanent link ]
 The derby game is not a KO comp.
Intercity? Same city.

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Victoria Barrett 10 March 2005 02:43:10 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:40:31 -0500, "THEPOSH"
<zoethedude@oddbins­again> wrote:
The derby game is not a KO comp.>Intercity? Same city.

Ben Smith emailed to tell me you've been talking behind my back. And
indeed, about the front of my back.
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Theposh 10 March 2005 03:15:35 permanent link ]
 Vicky-How can I redeem myself,
I,m truely sorry .I'll bend over and take my punishment now. Six of your
finest lashes,please.

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Victoria Barrett 10 March 2005 03:19:44 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:15:35 -0500, "THEPOSH"
<zoethedude@oddbins­again> wrote:
Vicky-How can I redeem myself,>I,m truely sorry .I'll bend over and take my punishment now. Six of your>finest lashes,please.

I'm not administering anything to a possible trannie -- "Zoethedude".
Ewww.
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Dennis Lawson 10 March 2005 03:47:42 permanent link ]
 
"Victoria Barrett" <vbarrett@the-beach­.net> wrote in message
news:3pru219a3iin8v­8vc8jnr0cc6d9756mfdq­@4ax.com...> As being discussed by BBC comms that IF Liverpool win the CL, and> their current position of 5th disqualifying them from defending their> trophy (not having finished 4th, and not having automatic> qualification), could UEFA twist the rules to add a clause where the> CL winners MUST be entered into the next years competition?>
Thus screwing Everton, who are 4th right now, and would have to go to> the UEFA CUP!>
Are what they saying possible, and/or correct??

It has always been the rule, the champions are allowed to defend the cup.
There wouldn't need to be a rule change.


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James Farrar 10 March 2005 04:15:39 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:11:40 -0700, MH <nopinkstuffakaspam­@ucalgary.ca>
wrote:
But it isn't logical or fair, is it ?

Of course not; it's UEFA.

It isn't logical to have teams finishing fourth playing in a "Champions'"
competition, either.
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Mh 10 March 2005 04:59:10 permanent link ]
 

James Farrar wrote:> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:11:40 -0700, MH <nopinkstuffakaspam­@ucalgary.ca> > wrote:>
But it isn't logical or fair, is it ?>
Of course not; it's UEFA.>
It isn't logical to have teams finishing fourth playing in a > "Champions'" competition, either.

Quick survey: of the quarter finalists this year:

one finished 4th (Liverpool)
3 finished second (Bayern, Chelsea, PSV)
2 finished first (Milan, Lyon)
1 finished third (Juve)

Still remaining: either a champion (Porto) or 4th Place (Inter)

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Roo 10 March 2005 05:21:23 permanent link ]
 dennis lawson wrote:>
They don't need to, they only need to win the derby against Everton.> Everton will lose a lot more than 2 game from now till the end of the> season.

...thankfully, so will Liverpool.

BlueRoo

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Calvin 10 March 2005 05:44:15 permanent link ]
 
"Victoria Barrett" <vbarrett@the-beach­.net> wrote in message
news:3pru219a3iin8v­8vc8jnr0cc6d9756mfdq­@4ax.com...> As being discussed by BBC comms that IF Liverpool win the CL, and> their current position of 5th disqualifying them from defending their> trophy (not having finished 4th, and not having automatic> qualification), could UEFA twist the rules to add a clause where the> CL winners MUST be entered into the next years competition?

Why shouldn't the top say 4 CL teams get automatic entry to the next year's
comp?

cheers,
Calvin


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Dennis Lawson 10 March 2005 07:23:33 permanent link ]
 
"Calvin" <calvin@phlegm.com>­ wrote in message
news:d0o8pg$1370$2@­bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au­...>
"Victoria Barrett" <vbarrett@the-beach­.net> wrote in message> news:3pru219a3iin8v­8vc8jnr0cc6d9756mfdq­@4ax.com...>> As being discussed by BBC comms that IF Liverpool win the CL, and>> their current position of 5th disqualifying them from defending their>> trophy (not having finished 4th, and not having automatic>> qualification), could UEFA twist the rules to add a clause where the>> CL winners MUST be entered into the next years competition?>
Why shouldn't the top say 4 CL teams get automatic entry to the next > year's> comp?

The champions should always have the opportunity to defend themselves,
that's just common sense. There wouldn't need to be a rule change in this
instance anyway.


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Michal Jankowski 10 March 2005 14:49:09 permanent link ]
 "dennis lawson" <service@mick.com> writes:
The champions should always have the opportunity to defend> themselves, that's just common sense. There wouldn't need to be a> rule change in this instance anyway.

The actual rule is:

1.03 At the request of the national association concerned, the UEFA
Champions League title-holders may be entered for this competition, as
an additional representative of that association, if they have not
qualified for the UEFA Champions League via the top domestic league
championship. If, in such a case, the title-holders come from an
association entitled to enter four teams for the UEFA Champions
League, the fourth-placed club in the top domestic league championship
has to be entered for the UEFA Cup.

MJ
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