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GYXU > Skiing > Ski Boots 4 July 2008 21:09:13

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Michael Chare 4 July 2008 21:09:13
	For years I have used a pair of rear entry Salomon SX82 ski boots. I have stuck to these boots partly because they fit my wide feet. In the time that I have owned the boots (15+ years,) there has been a big improvement in the skis with the introduction of the modern short carving skis. What I would like to know is if I treat myself to a new pair of Solomon Pro Model boots will I experience a similar improvement? Snow and Rock have these at a reasonable price right now although I would not use them until next year. The Pro Model boots are made from a transparent plastic. Will this be compatible with the boot widening equipment that some ski shops have? I have been unable to hire a pair of the Pro Model boots to try them out. I did try on a pair of Solomon Xwave hire boots, but they were to narrow to be worth bothering with. -- Michael Chare
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Iain Miller 28 March 2005 00:38:19 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael Chare" <MunderscoreNEWS@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote in message news:ANKdnXt_lvn2TtvfRVnyvA@pipex.net...> For years I have used a pair of rear entry Salomon SX82 ski boots. I have > stuck> to these boots partly because they fit my wide feet. In the time that I > have> owned the boots (15+ years,) there has been a big improvement in the skis > with> the introduction of the modern short carving skis.> What I would like to know is if I treat myself to a new pair of Solomon > Pro> Model boots will I experience a similar improvement?> Snow and Rock have these at a reasonable price right now although I would > not> use them until next year.> The Pro Model boots are made from a transparent plastic. Will this be > compatible> with the boot widening equipment that some ski shops have?> I have been unable to hire a pair of the Pro Model boots to try them out. > I did> try on a pair of Solomon Xwave hire boots, but they were to narrow to be > worth> bothering with. I would think you will see a significant improvement. If you look around you will see very few people selling rear entry boots these days - mostly because they have found other ways to make it easy to get the boot on & off combined with much better 4/5 clip fastening systems. Some brands of boots do come up wider than others & you should talk to the people at S&R about which boots are suitable for shell adjustment & which are not. The ultimate solution for those of us with "different" shaped feet (mine are narrow & shallow & especially narrow at the heel) is to get foam filled inners & have them conform exactly. I
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Ah 28 March 2005 10:03:05 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael Chare" <MunderscoreNEWS@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote in message news:ANKdnXt_lvn2TtvfRVnyvA@pipex.net...> For years I have used a pair of rear entry Salomon SX82 ski boots. I have > stuck> to these boots partly because they fit my wide feet. In the time that I > have> owned the boots (15+ years,) there has been a big improvement in the skis > with> the introduction of the modern short carving skis.> What I would like to know is if I treat myself to a new pair of Solomon > Pro> Model boots will I experience a similar improvement?> Snow and Rock have these at a reasonable price right now although I would > not> use them until next year.> The Pro Model boots are made from a transparent plastic. Will this be > compatible> with the boot widening equipment that some ski shops have?> I have been unable to hire a pair of the Pro Model boots to try them out. > I did> try on a pair of Solomon Xwave hire boots, but they were to narrow to be > worth> bothering with.> -- > Michael Chare> I'm not sure what kind of improvement that you will see, but after reading about this topic for a while, I think you would be best to go to a boot fitter and discuss what they think will be best for you, rather than seeing some boots on special that you think look good.. Some boots are completely unsuitable for particular feet, even with the fitting techniques they have today.
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C . O . Jones 28 March 2005 12:04:57 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:03:05 +1000, "AH" <nothing@nothing.com> wrote: I think you would be best to go to a boot >fitter and discuss what they think will be best for you, rather than seeing >some boots on special that you think look good.. I totally agree. At the start of my last boots purchase I discovered that the boots I thought looked good would have been totally unsuitable fro my feet. Don't forget that you'll have to enjoy or suffer the result of the fitting for quite some time! ernest
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Ian Wilson 28 March 2005 13:11:00 [ permanent link ]
	Yes, the Pro model boots can be stretched just like any other. It's just a case of being slightly more careful with the heat gun. One word of advice is that if you found the X-Wave too narrow, you will definitely find the Pro too narrow as it has more of a "race-fit" than the X-Wave. If you have wide feet I would suggest going for an X-Wave 10 (For the same kind of performance level) and getting it stretched. That's if you want to stick with Salomon. You could also try the Tecnica Diablo (Flame, Fire or Magnesium) which have a wide fitting. We don't have many of these left at Snow and Rock so unless you have tiny feet you may be out of luck for this season. What size are your current boots. I could see what we have in stock (I work at the chertsey branch). Cheers, Ian "Michael Chare" <MunderscoreNEWS@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote in message news:ANKdnXt_lvn2TtvfRVnyvA@pipex.net...> For years I have used a pair of rear entry Salomon SX82 ski boots. I have > stuck> to these boots partly because they fit my wide feet. In the time that I > have> owned the boots (15+ years,) there has been a big improvement in the skis > with> the introduction of the modern short carving skis.> What I would like to know is if I treat myself to a new pair of Solomon > Pro> Model boots will I experience a similar improvement?> Snow and Rock have these at a reasonable price right now although I would > not> use them until next year.> The Pro Model boots are made from a transparent plastic. Will this be > compatible> with the boot widening equipment that some ski shops have?> I have been unable to hire a pair of the Pro Model boots to try them out. > I did> try on a pair of Solomon Xwave hire boots, but they were to narrow to be > worth> bothering with.> -- > Michael Chare>
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Michael Chare 29 March 2005 03:09:34 [ permanent link ]
	"Ian Wilson" <ian.wilson72@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:d28hn4$q1s$1@sparta.btinternet.com...> Yes, the Pro model boots can be stretched just like any other. It's just a> case of being slightly more careful with the heat gun.> One word of advice is that if you found the X-Wave too narrow, you will> definitely find the Pro too narrow as it has more of a "race-fit" than the> X-Wave. If you have wide feet I would suggest going for an X-Wave 10 (For> the same kind of performance level) and getting it stretched. That's if you> want to stick with Salomon. You could also try the Tecnica Diablo (Flame,> Fire or Magnesium) which have a wide fitting. We don't have many of these> left at Snow and Rock so unless you have tiny feet you may be out of luck> for this season.> What size are your current boots. I could see what we have in stock (I work> at the chertsey branch). In English sizes 7.5 - 8. I have tried on Solomon 27.5. -- Michael Chare
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Ian Wilson 29 March 2005 13:51:00 [ permanent link ]
	Ah. I don't think we have any left in that size. I am off work today and tomorrow so it would be quicker for you if you gave the store a call on 01932 566886. they will be able to check the stock at all branches and have them transferred to the branch most convenient to you. This normally only takes a few days. Hope that helps, Ian
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Mutley 30 March 2005 13:57:25 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael Chare" wrote in message ...> > What size are your current boots. I could see what we have in stock (I work> > at the chertsey branch).> In English sizes 7.5 - 8. I have tried on Solomon 27.5.<<<<<<<<< How reliable are the sizings anyway? English 7.5 - 8 seems quoted as Mondo 26.5/27 and Mondo 27.5 as 8.5 - 9. My current old boots - very comfy except that I get cold toes - have a 27.5 liner but the shell is stamped inside 26.5-27.5. I have wondered if I would be better off with a 28 shell and a 27.5 liner. If (maybe a big if) shops are prepared to swop liners around between shells. Has anyone achieved this as a customer? regards, mutley
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Greg Hilton 4 April 2005 11:05:54 [ permanent link ]
	If (maybe a> big if) shops are prepared to swop liners around between shells. Has> anyone achieved this as a customer?> Profeet in Cham sell boots either complete or shell only, so I suspect that would be a good starting point. regards, Greg
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Paul S 25 June 2008 13:20:01 [ permanent link ]
	Hi to all those pining for the return of snow. In the mean time I have a question about ski boots My son skied in a pair of Salomon Ski boots for a 12 week stint this winter (instructor's course in Fernie) and although the boots are rather scuffed seemed to be in an okay condition. Unfortunately one of the boots has cracked at the swivel at the ankle and the manufacturers say that it was a fault in manufacturing and have refunded some of his money! For some reason they seemed unwilling to simply supply a new shell (?) so I was wondering whether anyone knew where we could buy a single shell for a Salomon boot? Also is it worth it, do boots have a use lifetime beyond which they should be thrown away - it seems to me that most people develop their skiing and move up the range or boots age over several 1/2 week per year seasons so are replaced. Cheers Paul Schofield
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Paul S 26 June 2008 17:58:09 [ permanent link ]
	"Matt T" <matt_j_thomas@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ebeb5c37-75d8-4952-93ed-55f17b945c22@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... ...snipsy... Hi Paul, Seems a bit tight of Salomon imho - if there's a manufacturing defect then I would expect them to send two new boots without an argument. Regards useful life of boots, if you ski hard for a whole season then the padding is usually shot at the end of it - most of the instructors I know replace them every year. I've skied fairly lightly on mine for 3 full seasons and know I should've replaced them a year ago, but new goggles and 'pants' trumped new boots If I was any good, I'm sure it would've been the other way around. So that probably works out at 20 weeks of cruisy skiing = new pair needed. Cheers, Matt Hi Matt, are you still in Tignes or do you return to blighty for the 'summer'? We were quite happy with Salomon's offer - considering the boots had been used for 12 weeks. We were just surprised that they didn't choose to replace the shell as I would have thought that it would have been the cheaper option. Maybe that have changed the colour and didn't have any of the old shells free or simply couldn't be arsed to send a new one across. In any case we'll try to blag a new shell from somewhere as it seems such a waste to chuck out 2 perfectly good inners and single shell. Maybe we'll have to get one of this seasons colour and have an unmatched pair - latest fashion trend, you saw it here first! The inners are still in good nick and should be fine for at least the same amount of skiing again - 12 weeks was a mix of full-on hard stuff, but with a equal amount of simpler instruction training and technique deconstruction. Cheers Paul
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Ace 26 June 2008 19:20:45 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:58:09 +0100, "Paul S" <morespam@nothanks> wrote: "Matt T" <matt_j_thomas@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ebeb5c37-75d8-4952-93ed-55f17b945c22@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Regards useful life of boots, if you ski hard for a whole season then the padding is usually shot at the end of it - most of the instructors I know replace them every year. That's possibly related to the fact that they don't usually have to pay for them. I've skied fairly lightly on mine for 3 full seasons and know I should've replaced them a year ago, but new goggles and 'pants' trumped new boots If I was any good, I'm sure it would've been the other way around. So that probably works out at 20 weeks of cruisy skiing = new pair needed. Naah. I reckon at least three years, possibly more. My current touring boots have done four seasons now, although one was a short one, but I reckon I've done a total of 200 days or more and there's just a little bit of stitching needs re-doing. Then again, perhaps these are different from normal downhill inners - certainly I'm not bothered about a close fit, so perhaps they're not being stressed in quite the same way. The boots themselves are still OK, but certainly looking like they've had some hard use, and I'm thinking of new ones for next year. One of the guides I skiied with this season was sporting the new Salomon touring boot, which he reckons are better for walking, skinning, downhill skiing and anything else he'd tried in them. Of course, he is sponsored by them so may be slightly biased In any event, I might give them a go. The inners are still in good nick and should be fine for at least the same amount of skiing again - 12 weeks was a mix of full-on hard stuff, but with a equal amount of simpler instruction training and technique deconstruction. I'd agree that there should be plenty of life left in them, but I doubt you're going to be able to source a new shell - new inners are difficult enough to find, for a new shell you're really looking at a complete new boot, which won't be available on its own anywaym so a new pair, which goives you nothing. ICBW of course - good luck in your search. -- _______ .'_/_\|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ \| /`/ `\\ \| //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\\|/` `
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Ace 26 June 2008 19:22:18 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:58:09 +0100, "Paul S" <morespam@nothanks> wrote: "Matt T" <matt_j_thomas@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ebeb5c37-75d8-4952-93ed-55f17b945c22@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Regards useful life of boots, if you ski hard for a whole season then the padding is usually shot at the end of it - most of the instructors I know replace them every year. That's possibly related to the fact that they don't usually have to pay for them. I've skied fairly lightly on mine for 3 full seasons and know I should've replaced them a year ago, but new goggles and 'pants' trumped new boots If I was any good, I'm sure it would've been the other way around. So that probably works out at 20 weeks of cruisy skiing = new pair needed. Naah. I reckon at least three years, possibly more. My current touring boots have done four seasons now, although one was a short one, but I reckon I've done a total of 200 days or more and there's just a little bit of stitching needs re-doing. Then again, perhaps these are different from normal downhill inners - certainly I'm not bothered about a close fit, so perhaps they're not being stressed in quite the same way. The boots themselves are still OK, but certainly looking like they've had some hard use, and I'm thinking of new ones for next year. One of the guides I skiied with this season was sporting the new Salomon touring boot, which he reckons are better for walking, skinning, downhill skiing and anything else he'd tried in them. Of course, he is sponsored by them so may be slightly biased In any event, I might give them a go. The inners are still in good nick and should be fine for at least the same amount of skiing again - 12 weeks was a mix of full-on hard stuff, but with a equal amount of simpler instruction training and technique deconstruction. I'd agree that there should be plenty of life left in them, but I doubt you're going to be able to source a new shell - new inners are difficult enough to find, for a new shell you're really looking at a complete new boot, which won't be available on its own anywaym so a new pair, which goives you nothing. ICBW of course - good luck in your search. -- _______ .'_/_\|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ \| /`/ `\\ \| //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\\|/` `
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John Elgy 4 July 2008 21:09:13 [ permanent link ]
	Paul S wrote: "Matt T" <matt_j_thomas@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ebeb5c37-75d8-4952-93ed-55f17b945c22@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... ...snipsy... Hi Paul, Seems a bit tight of Salomon imho - if there's a manufacturing defect then I would expect them to send two new boots without an argument. Regards useful life of boots, if you ski hard for a whole season then the padding is usually shot at the end of it - most of the instructors I know replace them every year. I've skied fairly lightly on mine for 3 full seasons and know I should've replaced them a year ago, but new goggles and 'pants' trumped new boots If I was any good, I'm sure it would've been the other way around. So that probably works out at 20 weeks of cruisy skiing = new pair needed. Cheers, Matt Hi Matt, are you still in Tignes or do you return to blighty for the 'summer'? We were quite happy with Salomon's offer - considering the boots had been used for 12 weeks. We were just surprised that they didn't choose to replace the shell as I would have thought that it would have been the cheaper option. Maybe that have changed the colour and didn't have any of the old shells free or simply couldn't be arsed to send a new one across. In any case we'll try to blag a new shell from somewhere as it seems such a waste to chuck out 2 perfectly good inners and single shell. Maybe we'll have to get one of this seasons colour and have an unmatched pair - latest fashion trend, you saw it here first! The inners are still in good nick and should be fine for at least the same amount of skiing again - 12 weeks was a mix of full-on hard stuff, but with a equal amount of simpler instruction training and technique deconstruction. Cheers Paul Mmm. I have skied in the same boots for 20 years (over 400 days) and they are still going strong. They are a Nordica top entry boot made in the days when every one else was moving to those rear entry things (does anyone still remember them). Initially the padding compressed quite a bit, but then stopped. The heal and toes are worn down so they no longer step into the bindings, but the important parts of the sole are OK. I replaced the insoles and ski with them done up to the tightest setting and they look pretty tatty, but no one laughs at them. I suspect that to the non expert they look just like any modern ski boot. Unfortunately, modern skis boots are all wide fitting so I cannot get them to be quite as good of a fit. They feel as if my skis are flapping around on the end of my feet. Does anyone know of a narrow fitting ski boot? John
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