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Guest 15 March 2005 17:08:32
	How long should it take to clean and wax a pair of skate skiing for basic training? This time of year, with the dirty snow, it takes me almost an hour. I must be doing something wrong. The skis start out very dirty, and it takes two or more soft warm waxings before the scraped wax is just a light grey. Any tips? -- Andrew Hall (Now reading Usenet in rec.skiing.nordic...)
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Wintermutt 15 March 2005 17:22:48 [ permanent link ]
	wear dirty glasses when you clean next time. beauty and/or cleanliness is in the eye of the beholder. "it is in a dark time that the eye begins to see". goethe. bill
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Ben Kaufman 15 March 2005 18:02:46 [ permanent link ]
	On 15 Mar 2005 08:08:32 -0500, <ahall@no-spam-panix.com> wrote: How long should it take to clean and>wax a pair of skate skiing for basic>training?> This time of year, with the dirty snow,>it takes me almost an hour. I must be>doing something wrong. The skis start out>very dirty, and it takes two or more soft>warm waxings before the scraped wax is just>a light grey.> Any tips? Do you wipe them down as a first step? Do you try to get up some of the old wax before putting any more on the ski? Ben
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Guest 15 March 2005 18:35:10 [ permanent link ]
	ahall@no-spam-panix.com wrote:> How long should it take to clean and> wax a pair of skate skiing for basic> training?> This time of year, with the dirty snow,> it takes me almost an hour. Whoa! For training, I don't mind resistance! I rarely do a cleaning wax step for training. Or maybe just one clean, then hotscrape then put on wax of the week, then let sit for a couple minutes and buff/brush. I probably take 45 min to prep race skis. And 10 min to get ready for training. I suppose I training-waxed once a week when actively racing every weekend (then race wax night before). Maybe when I was full-on, I'd wax every other day, depending on general weather. Skis do love the wax. Now that I'm racing only a couple times a season I wax about twice a season for training. I still ski almost every day. My race skis are almost always better than those I'm skiing with---but not as good as the winners! It might be because I'm always racing on 10+-yr-old skis that have lots of wax even though not waxed that often. Back when I really cared I did indeed notice that my high-end rivals had wax-rooms that looked like Silicon Valley clean-rooms.
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Guest 15 March 2005 18:36:33 [ permanent link ]
	Ben Kaufman writes: On 15 Mar 2005 08:08:32 -0500, <ahall@no-spam-panix.com> wrote: >> How long should it take to clean and >> wax a pair of skate skiing for basic >> training? >> This time of year, with the dirty snow, >> it takes me almost an hour. I must be >> doing something wrong. The skis start out >> very dirty, and it takes two or more soft >> warm waxings before the scraped wax is just >> a light grey. >> Any tips? Do you wipe them down as a first step? Yes, with paper towel. Do you try to get up some of the old wax before putting any more on the ski? If they are gummy I use some citrus cleaner (after really melted snow the dirt is tarry). When I wax I scrape really clean, so I do not think there is much wax left on the outside of the skis before going out. -- Andrew Hall (Now reading Usenet in rec.skiing.nordic...)
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John Forrest Tomlinson 15 March 2005 20:12:07 [ permanent link ]
	ahall@no-spam-panix.com wrote:> How long should it take to clean and> wax a pair of skate skiing for basic> training?> This time of year, with the dirty snow,> it takes me almost an hour. I must be> doing something wrong. The skis start out> very dirty, and it takes two or more soft> warm waxings before the scraped wax is just> a light grey. Try brushing them with a copper or soft brass brush before waxing. Sometimes I've even scrubbed the bases with a wet rag first, to get dirt off. That and brushing before waxing take only a minute or two and can help. JFT
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Mitch Collinsworth 15 March 2005 20:24:41 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 JeffOYB@hotmail.com wrote: Back when I> really cared I did indeed notice that my high-end rivals had wax-rooms> that looked like Silicon Valley clean-rooms. Wax room that looks like a clean room? Wow. Mine looks more like the kitchen in one of those movies where Dad and the kids try to surprise Mom with breakfast in bed!
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Guest 15 March 2005 21:39:21 [ permanent link ]
	Mitch Collinsworth writes: Mitch> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 JeffOYB@hotmail.com wrote: Back when I >> really cared I did indeed notice that my high-end rivals had wax-rooms >> that looked like Silicon Valley clean-rooms. Mitch> Wax room that looks like a clean room? Wow. Mine looks more like Mitch> the kitchen in one of those movies where Dad and the kids try to Mitch> surprise Mom with breakfast in bed! Mine is in the corner of the basement, where my wife tries (hard!) not to go. It is a mess! -- Andrew Hall (Now reading Usenet in rec.skiing.nordic...)
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Gene Goldenfeld 16 March 2005 03:57:22 [ permanent link ]
	It's not clear what you do, so here's one suggestion: Brush w/ a copper or soft metal brush, as suggested, so that the structure is clearly visible. Wipe. Iron in base prep or a wax one temp range up from what you're using to clean. Wipe while molten or scrape and brush w/in 5 minutes. Iron in the wax of the day, wait 20 minutes, scrape and brush. Noel at Sierra Nordic claims that you can scrape the final layer hot, too, but I'm not clear how durable that will be (or you need). You can check his website tech tips at www.sierranordic.com. Depending on the method and how you stagger the skis, it can be done in 30-40 mins, maybe less. Fluoros tend to be more resistant to dirt. Gene ahall@no-spam-panix.com wrote:> How long should it take to clean and> wax a pair of skate skiing for basic> training?> This time of year, with the dirty snow,> it takes me almost an hour. I must be> doing something wrong. The skis start out> very dirty, and it takes two or more soft> warm waxings before the scraped wax is just> a light grey.> Any tips?> --> Andrew Hall> (Now reading Usenet in rec.skiing.nordic...)
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Bjorn A. Payne Diaz 16 March 2005 17:08:24 [ permanent link ]
	Any tips? If you bases are gummed up, I wouldn't brush them as that will gum up the brush. Here's my method: -Plug in the iron, go have a piece of toast -Sharpen scraper -Do a warm scrape and scrape lightly right after ironing -Repeat if the skis are dirty -For training, I wouldn't worry about brushing out the wax used for warm scraping -Iron in the wax of the day -Switch skis -Warm scrape x 2 -Switch skis -Scrape and brush wax of the day -Switch skis -Scrape and brush wax of the day Don't worry about letting the wax of the day cool for 20 min, just get it off the ski. For your conditions, you'll probably use at least a low flouro wax. I'd say this process is probably 45 min. If you want to speed it up, you can use the wax of the day on the second warm scrape, let it cool and brush. That ought to be good enough for training. Jay Wenner
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Guest 16 March 2005 20:06:19 [ permanent link ]
	Bjorn A Payne Diaz writes: Any tips? Bjorn> If you bases are gummed up, I wouldn't brush them as that will gum up Bjorn> the brush. Here's my method: Bjorn> -Plug in the iron, go have a piece of toast Bjorn> -Sharpen scraper Bjorn> -Do a warm scrape and scrape lightly right after ironing Bjorn> -Repeat if the skis are dirty Bjorn> -For training, I wouldn't worry about brushing out the wax used for Bjorn> warm scraping I try to get all the wax off from the warm stages. perhaps that is where I waste time. Bjorn> -Iron in the wax of the day Bjorn> -Switch skis Bjorn> -Warm scrape x 2 Bjorn> -Switch skis Bjorn> -Scrape and brush wax of the day Bjorn> -Switch skis Bjorn> -Scrape and brush wax of the day Bjorn> Don't worry about letting the wax of the day cool for 20 min, just get Bjorn> it off the ski. For your conditions, you'll probably use at least a low Bjorn> flouro wax. I'd say this process is probably 45 min. If you want to Well, then my 1 hr is not too far off. Bjorn> speed it up, you can use the wax of the day on the second warm scrape, Bjorn> let it cool and brush. That ought to be good enough for training. -- Andrew Hall (Now reading Usenet in rec.skiing.nordic...)
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Ken Roberts 20 March 2005 20:37:31 [ permanent link ]
	AHall wrote> Well, then my 1 hr is not too far off. If I had to spend that much time waxing in order to have fun on skis, I'd find a different sport. I think I skated about 8 days over the past three weeks, had lots of fun -- and only waxed my skis once. My method was: if they glided OK last time: * do nothing and see if the Cerax will last another 20-40 km. * maybe refresh the structure the the Toko structure tool. if it feels like it's time to wax: * wipe off obvious dirt with a wet paper towel. * brush with brass brush and scrape a few times. * wipe on Cerax AS and wait for it to dry. * brush with nylon brush. * roll with Toko structure tool. Ken
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Camilo 22 March 2005 21:55:28 [ permanent link ]
	Good advice on quick and easy training waxing has been given. Can't add to it. But this might help. The www.swixsport.com website now has something called "waxing school" which gives some pretty straight forward advice on waxing. Pretty clear and simple. Video demonstrations as well. Camilo
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John Forrest Tomlinson 23 March 2005 05:17:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:55:28 -0900, "Camilo" <campascual@yahoo.com> wrote: Good advice on quick and easy training waxing has been given. Can't add to>it. But this might help. The www.swixsport.com website I know people keep saying that site has good info, but I never can find anything. I just don't understand how it works. JFT ************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************
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Lo Dup 24 March 2005 13:38:00 [ permanent link ]
	I share the same opinion as Ken. You'd spent time to prepare the new base though. Apply soft and then hard waxs with cooling beetween, remove hairs with grey and withe "scotch bright" or Jenex pad Then I simply brush and apply cerax every 30 / 40 kms I reapply a base wax and remove hairs when preparing for a race, though (2 or 3 marathons each year) I just want to point out that you should apply Cerax AFTER using the structure tool. This is one of the major advantage of liquid wax, that it follows the structure.
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