Joe Galloway wrote:> Will a boot with an NNN1 sole work with an NNN2 binding?> Thanks.> Joe
The heel will be perched higher as the grooves don't go all the way back on the NNN1 boot and I think you may experience less lateral control. You might find the tippy toes position uncomfortable after a while (I'm not sure about this though).
I have an extra question though - has anyone tried modifying NNN1 boots by carving/grinding grooves in the heel to make them fit the NNN2 binding ? I'm considering doing this to an old pair of NNN1 alpinas and would like advice before doing it !
Will a boot with an NNN1 sole work with an NNN2 binding?>> Thanks.>> Joe>
The heel will be perched higher as the grooves don't go all the way back > on the NNN1 boot and I think you may experience less lateral control. > You might find the tippy toes position uncomfortable after a while (I'm > not sure about this though).>
I have an extra question though - has anyone tried modifying NNN1 boots > by carving/grinding grooves in the heel to make them fit the NNN2 > binding ? I'm considering doing this to an old pair of NNN1 alpinas and > would like advice before doing it !
NNN1 boot are not made to work with NNN2 bindings. The mounting bar is located differently. Look for a pair on year end close out.
Terje Henriksen 5 March 2005 13:54:31 [ permanent link ]
Jeff Martin wrote:> Mark wrote:
I have an extra question though - has anyone tried modifying NNN1>> boots by carving/grinding grooves in the heel to make them fit the>> NNN2 binding ? I'm considering doing this to an old pair of NNN1>> alpinas and would like advice before doing it !
NNN1 boot are not made to work with NNN2 bindings. The mounting bar> is located differently. Look for a pair on year end close out.
It's no problems using NNN1 boots on NNN2 bindings. I did it last month of last season and first month this season, because the iron bar on one of my new boots broke. It's not as stable as NNN2 boots, but completely usable.
Mitch Collinsworth 5 March 2005 14:49:58 [ permanent link ]
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Mark wrote:
Joe Galloway wrote:>> Will a boot with an NNN1 sole work with an NNN2 binding?>> Thanks.>> Joe>
The heel will be perched higher as the grooves don't go all the way back> on the NNN1 boot and I think you may experience less lateral control.> You might find the tippy toes position uncomfortable after a while (I'm> not sure about this though).>
I have an extra question though - has anyone tried modifying NNN1 boots> by carving/grinding grooves in the heel to make them fit the NNN2> binding ? I'm considering doing this to an old pair of NNN1 alpinas and> would like advice before doing it !
A less drastic mod would be to replace the NNN2 heelplate on the ski with an old-style flat heelplate. Or even just remove it and not replace it at all. It's surprising to discover how little it matters.
I have an extra question though - has anyone tried modifying NNN1>>>boots by carving/grinding grooves in the heel to make them fit the>>>NNN2 binding ? I'm considering doing this to an old pair of NNN1>>>alpinas and would like advice before doing it !>
NNN1 boot are not made to work with NNN2 bindings. The mounting bar>>is located differently. Look for a pair on year end close out.>
It's no problems using NNN1 boots on NNN2 bindings. I did it last month of> last season and first month this season, because the iron bar on one of my> new boots broke. It's not as stable as NNN2 boots, but completely usable.>
OK, so I cut out two grooves in each heel of the NNN1 boots last night (hacksaw and cutter) and my wife used them this morning on Rottafella NNN2 bindings. No problem, no discomfort, good control and stability.
By the way I checked and the steel bar IS in the same place as the NNN2 boot. Maybe Jeff is confusing them with the Pilot system or maybe the NNN backcountry bindings - but I haven't seen the NNN BC bindings up close so it's just a guess...
Mitch Collinsworth 6 March 2005 06:21:04 [ permanent link ]
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Mark wrote:
By the way I checked and the steel bar IS in the same place as the NNN2> boot. Maybe Jeff is confusing them with the Pilot system or maybe the> NNN backcountry bindings - but I haven't seen the NNN BC bindings up> close so it's just a guess...
Nope, Jeff is right. If you hold an NNN1 boot and an NNN2 boot next to each other you can see that they are not the same. On the 2 the bar is a bit recessed from the front, whereas on the 1 it is right at the very front of the boot. It's not a big difference but it's easily visible.
I have an extra question though - has anyone tried modifying NNN1>>>> boots by carving/grinding grooves in the heel to make them fit the>>>> NNN2 binding ? I'm considering doing this to an old pair of NNN1>>>> alpinas and would like advice before doing it !>>
NNN1 boot are not made to work with NNN2 bindings. The mounting bar>>> is located differently. Look for a pair on year end close out.>>
It's no problems using NNN1 boots on NNN2 bindings. I did it last >> month of>> last season and first month this season, because the iron bar on one >> of my>> new boots broke. It's not as stable as NNN2 boots, but completely usable.>>
OK, so I cut out two grooves in each heel of the NNN1 boots last night > (hacksaw and cutter) and my wife used them this morning on Rottafella > NNN2 bindings. No problem, no discomfort, good control and stability.>
By the way I checked and the steel bar IS in the same place as the NNN2 > boot. Maybe Jeff is confusing them with the Pilot system or maybe the > NNN backcountry bindings - but I haven't seen the NNN BC bindings up > close so it's just a guess...
No I'm not mixing the NNN boots with Pilot boots. I've been skiing NNN boots and bindings for 20 years. If you take an OLD NNN 1 boot and binding and a new NNN2 or NNN3 binding and boot you will see that the metal bar on the newer boots is set back 10mm. The orignal NNN boots had the metal bar right at the end of the toes. Also the NNN1 boots were made with either a flat heel plate or were made with a single groove in the heel where as the NNN2 and NNN3 bindings were both made with 2 grooves in the heel of the boot. When the NNN2 binding first came out you could get a different rubber flexor to use in your NNN1 bindings. The front part of the sole of the NNN1 and NNN2/3 boots are the same except for the location of the mounting bar. The difference is at the heel as I stated before. Check with a good ski shop like New Moon in Hayward, WI (home of the American Birkebeiner) which I skied for the 17th time last Saturday, or check out a shop in Minn called Gear West. Could you use old boots with new bindings, with enough butchering of the sole of the boot you could but they are not designed that way. There are enough end of season sales going on that you can pick up a pair of boots very cheap right now.
Mitch Collinsworth wrote:> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Mark wrote:>
By the way I checked and the steel bar IS in the same place as the NNN2>>boot. Maybe Jeff is confusing them with the Pilot system or maybe the>>NNN backcountry bindings - but I haven't seen the NNN BC bindings up>>close so it's just a guess...>
Nope, Jeff is right. If you hold an NNN1 boot and an NNN2 boot next> to each other you can see that they are not the same. On the 2 the bar> is a bit recessed from the front, whereas on the 1 it is right at the> very front of the boot. It's not a big difference but it's easily> visible.>
-Mitch>
Mitch, how did you like the roller skis you got from me last fall?
Mitch Collinsworth 7 March 2005 02:38:28 [ permanent link ]
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Jeff Martin wrote:
Mitch, how did you like the roller skis you got from me last fall?
Hi Jeff,
Well... I've only actually been on them twice so far. The first time I immediately noticed two things: 1) I can't ski them in the same boots I ski the rest of my rollerskis -- a very old pair of Alpina skating boots, from the very first year of NNN2. They're great boots and work fine everywhere else but the soles are too flexible torsionally for me to keep on top of these skis. 2) One of the skis doesn't track straight. Not sure if it came this way new or if it's the result of a prior crash. I'm hoping a bike mechanic friend can straighten it in his shop but haven't shown it to him yet.
The 2nd time out I used a newer stiffer pair of boots and was able to ski them fine other than the annoyance of the one ski drifting off to the side.
Tomorrow I'm going in for shoulder surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff, so I'm not going to be using them for a few months. Am planning to take them to the shop during that time. I'm really looking forward to using them for hill repeats on the hills where I live that are too long/steep to be safe for my hard wheel rollerskis. I'm very impressed with the incredible speed reducers on these skis.
I have an extra question though - has anyone tried modifying NNN1>>>>> boots by carving/grinding grooves in the heel to make them fit the>>>>> NNN2 binding ? I'm considering doing this to an old pair of NNN1>>>>> alpinas and would like advice before doing it !>>>
NNN1 boot are not made to work with NNN2 bindings. The mounting bar>>>> is located differently. Look for a pair on year end close out.>>>
It's no problems using NNN1 boots on NNN2 bindings. I did it last >>> month of>>> last season and first month this season, because the iron bar on one >>> of my>>> new boots broke. It's not as stable as NNN2 boots, but completely >>> usable.>>>
OK, so I cut out two grooves in each heel of the NNN1 boots last night >> (hacksaw and cutter) and my wife used them this morning on Rottafella >> NNN2 bindings. No problem, no discomfort, good control and stability.>>
By the way I checked and the steel bar IS in the same place as the >> NNN2 boot. Maybe Jeff is confusing them with the Pilot system or maybe >> the NNN backcountry bindings - but I haven't seen the NNN BC bindings >> up close so it's just a guess...>
No I'm not mixing the NNN boots with Pilot boots.> I've been skiing NNN boots and bindings for 20 years. If you take an > OLD NNN 1 boot and binding and a new NNN2 or NNN3 binding and boot you > will see that the metal bar on the newer boots is set back 10mm. The > orignal NNN boots had the metal bar right at the end of the toes. Also > the NNN1 boots were made with either a flat heel plate or were made with > a single groove in the heel where as the NNN2 and NNN3 bindings were > both made with 2 grooves in the heel of the boot. When the NNN2 binding > first came out you could get a different rubber flexor to use in your > NNN1 bindings. The front part of the sole of the NNN1 and NNN2/3 boots > are the same except for the location of the mounting bar. The > difference is at the heel as I stated before. Check with a good ski > shop like New Moon in Hayward, WI (home of the American Birkebeiner) > which I skied for the 17th time last Saturday, or check out a shop in > Minn called Gear West.> Could you use old boots with new bindings, with enough butchering of the > sole of the boot you could but they are not designed that way. There > are enough end of season sales going on that you can pick up a pair of > boots very cheap right now.
OK, my first glance must have been too cursory (if thats the right word), and comparing them more closely you ARE right. Please accept my most humble excuses. It's not just the distance, on the boots I compared it's also the profile of the sole at the front, if you see what I mean.
But personally, between forking out cash on a new (even on sale) pair and mangling an old pair of boots otherwise valueless which are still comfortable and warm I'd always choose the second option, at least first anyway.
