When Casey tells her mom she's thinking about figure skating, her mom replies something like "I can't get past those twinky little outfits. They set us back 50 years." Did I hear that right? If so, I assume her mom was referring to the women's movement. Do many women in this group agree with that?
That is just Disney tossing out stereotypes of their perception of professionals in education. I'm guessing it was meant to play off against the lady who was a professional skating coach without having to spell it out in detail. Final scene, both ladies are walking off together as they exchange daughters to fulfill their dreams. Pretty sure the Coaches daughter was heading to Harvard on a Math Scholarship, and the Teachers daughter was going to make the next Olympics. So maybe dreams are more important than issues.
John wrote:> When Casey tells her mom she's thinking about figure skating, her mom replies > something like "I can't get past those twinky little outfits. They set us back > 50 years." Did I hear that right? If so, I assume her mom was referring to the > women's movement. Do many women in this group agree with that? Yes, that is exactly what she meant. Casey's Mom also made a remark about "has-beens on ice."
When Casey tells her mom she's thinking about figure skating, her mom
replies> something like "I can't get past those twinky little outfits. They set us back> 50 years." Did I hear that right? If so, I assume her mom was referring to the> women's movement. Do many women in this group agree with that?
I have never seen why being a feminist and being a figure skating fan are two mutually exclusive concepts. Or should be.
Sometimes twinky little outfits are fun.
Trudi your entertainment and tax dollars in action
Yes, that is exactly what she meant. Casey's Mom also made a remark> about "has-beens on ice."
I coached girls gymnastics for many years. I spent so much time with some of them, that I felt that they were my own children. I was with them from about 6 years old until they went away to college .. and even after that. A sport can totally define you until you lose all concept of any other way of life. I think that is equally true of being an English Professor. One day it could just be gone. Who is right?
Too bad Harvard doesn't give math scholarships......or any> ability-based scholarships, for that matter. Everything is based on> financial need.
At Harvard? Harvard is run by local companies like Corning. I guess Corning has plenty of financial need.
The whole stereotype about smart, bookish women (or men!) eschewing> skating for more intellectual pursuits is baloney, anyhow. A lot of> top skaters are incredibly book-smart and accomplished academically,
And rich too.
got their degrees. More locally, most of the serious skaters from my> local club are also among the best students at the school where I> teach.
Like the man said, "Image is everything."
Maybe the mom from the movie ought to tell them that smart> girls don't skate.
"John" <spam@bot.com> wrote in message news:spam-7A2FC5.19014122032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...> When Casey tells her mom she's thinking about figure skating, her mom > replies> something like "I can't get past those twinky little outfits. They set us > back> 50 years." Did I hear that right? If so, I assume her mom was referring to > the> women's movement. Do many women in this group agree with that?
I agree with all the comments about skaters being smart, ambitious, high achievers. Unfortunately, I think what this remark refers to is the way female skaters are packaged, and I think it is true they're packaged in those "twinkly little outfits" to look like little dolls, not like the tough, smart, athletes they are. The fact is that many people still feel that being competitive and athletic is unfeminine ; skating is a sport, but skating culture is still dominated by the idea that female skaters are supposed to be "ladies" and looks ultra feminine, in the way they dress, in the way they're groomed and even in their body types (where more muscular skaters are critcized for being "chunky").
I think in the context of this quote "twinkly little outfits" are a symbol of that packaging that does indeed reflect an attitude toward women and especially women athletes that's antiquated.
"Ruth Lafler" <rlafler@ucsbalum.net> wrote in message news:42461860$0$30520$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com...>
"John" <spam@bot.com> wrote in message> news:spam-7A2FC5.19014122032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...> > When Casey tells her mom she's thinking about figure skating, her mom> > replies> > something like "I can't get past those twinky little outfits. They set
back> > 50 years." Did I hear that right? If so, I assume her mom was referring
women's movement. Do many women in this group agree with that?>
I agree with all the comments about skaters being smart, ambitious, high> achievers. Unfortunately, I think what this remark refers to is the way> female skaters are packaged, and I think it is true they're packaged in> those "twinkly little outfits" to look like little dolls, not like the> tough, smart, athletes they are. The fact is that many people still feel> that being competitive and athletic is unfeminine ; skating is a sport,
skating culture is still dominated by the idea that female skaters are> supposed to be "ladies" and looks ultra feminine, in the way they dress,
the way they're groomed and even in their body types (where more muscular> skaters are critcized for being "chunky").>
I think in the context of this quote "twinkly little outfits" are a symbol> of that packaging that does indeed reflect an attitude toward women and> especially women athletes that's antiquated.>
--Ruth
There was an article in MS not long after the Nancy Kerrigan/Tonya Harding brouhaha where the author opined that the main reason Tonya was so vilified was that she was an actual athlete instead of a pretty feminine little doll.
Tina>
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In article <1111966239.742611.318790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Shomeret" <JDChronicler@aol.com> wrote:
I think that feminism is about self-determination for women. When> Casey was pursuing her mother's dream of getting into Harvard instead> of her own dream of becoming a figure skater, she was not being> self-determined--no matter how feminist her mother thought she was.> Actually, I think that was the point of the movie. Is feminism about> women making their own choices, or is it about packaging? Don't women> have the right to choose to wear "twinky little outfits" if it makes> them feel good? If they don't have that option or the option to be> skaters, then feminism has no credibility. It's just another> strait-jacket.
