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Tah Supporter Pessimism
Mike Thompson 2 May 2005 08:44:08
	Nice game by the Tahs on the weekend. All the small things done well. It was particularly nice to see the scrum so solid and I was impressed by their new found ability to change their game plan to suit the opposition. Other than THAT pass in the first 30 secs, they managed to outflank the Highlanders in that first half, taking away the Highlanders main weapon: grinding defence. All the same, not one single Tah's supporter I've spoken to has done anything but roll their eyes about the Reds game coming up this weekend. There is absolutely no confidence ... we've all seen it before. Everyone has too much scar tissue. IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but until the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the semis. Best to be prepared. -- Mike
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TomV 2 May 2005 09:45:50 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 02 May 2005 14:44:08 +1000, Mike Thompson <I@dontthinkso> wrote: IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but >until the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time >wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the >semis. Best to be prepared.> -- LOL. Well I've always been happy to bag the Tahs, but they've won my grudging respect this year. I think the chances they'll self destruct are slight, and that as a Crusaders supporter I'll be nervous watching a Tahs /Crusaders final ( assuming they both win their semis, which they should), although I wouldn't rate us as underdogs ...tom
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Will S 2 May 2005 10:03:08 [ permanent link ]
	"Mike Thompson" <I@dontthinkso> wrote in message news:4275b014$0$8121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...> Nice game by the Tahs on the weekend. All the small things done well.> It was particularly nice to see the scrum so solid and I was impressed by > their new found ability to change their game plan to suit the opposition. > Other than THAT pass in the first 30 secs, they managed to outflank the > Highlanders in that first half, taking away the Highlanders main weapon: > grinding defence.> All the same, not one single Tah's supporter I've spoken to has done > anything but roll their eyes about the Reds game coming up this weekend. > There is absolutely no confidence ... we've all seen it before. Everyone > has too much scar tissue.> IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but until > the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time > wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the > semis. Best to be prepared.> --> Mike We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT $^(&(^*^ QUEENSLAND SIDE
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TomV 2 May 2005 10:11:15 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 2 May 2005 16:03:08 +1000, "Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com> wrote: We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT $^(&(^*^ >QUEENSLAND SIDE The Tahs / Reds rivalry is a joy to behold... from the outside ...tom
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Dave 2 May 2005 10:34:49 [ permanent link ]
	In article <4275b014$0$8121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, I@dontthinkso says...> Nice game by the Tahs on the weekend. All the small things done well.> It was particularly nice to see the scrum so solid and I was impressed >by their new found ability to change their game plan to suit the >opposition. Other than THAT pass in the first 30 secs, Which brought on that shudder of fear ... the old 'tahs in May ... they managed to >outflank the Highlanders in that first half, taking away the Highlanders >main weapon: grinding defence. All the same, not one single Tah's supporter I've spoken to has done >anything but roll their eyes about the Reds game coming up this weekend. > There is absolutely no confidence ... we've all seen it before. >Everyone has too much scar tissue. IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but >until the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time >wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the >semis. Best to be prepared.> Oh god I don't want to say it, but the team's attitude seems different this year. Did I just say the team's attitude seems different this year? @!#%$! One thing in tah's favour compared to previous perhaps - relative lack of injuries this year. Certainly compared to a number of opponents. Shouldn't be saying that either ...!
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Geoff Muldoon 2 May 2005 10:56:07 [ permanent link ]
	I@dontthinkso says... All the same, not one single Tah's supporter I've spoken to has done > anything but roll their eyes about the Reds game coming up this weekend. > There is absolutely no confidence ... we've all seen it before. > Everyone has too much scar tissue. Probably setting myself up badly here, but .. I cannot foresee the Waratahs losing to the Reds this week! IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but > until the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time > wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the > semis. Best to be prepared. OK, here it is ... Current table: P W D L Diff BP PTS Waratahs 9 7 0 2 +124 8 36 Crusaders 9 7 0 2 +144 7 35 Hurricanes 9 7 0 2 +43 2 30 Highlanders 9 6 1 2 +44 1 27 Blues 9 6 0 3 +44 2 26 (below can't pass the 'Tahs, period) Bulls 9 5 0 4 +5 5 25 Brumbies 9 4 0 5 -25 5 21 etc ..... Worst possible remaining win+BPs (for the Waratahs), although I reckon some of these are highly unlikely: Week 11 Blues v Hurricanes 5 - 2 Waratahs v Reds 0 - x Highlanders v Crusaders 5 - 2 Week 12: Crusaders v Hurricanes 2 - 5 Waratahs v Blues 0 - 5 Chiefs v Highlanders x - 5 Would have: Crusaders 39 Hurricanes 37 Highlanders 37 Blues/Waratahs 36 IIRC the first element in deciding a semi-final ladder tie-breaker is the head-to-head result? Anyone know for certain? If head-to-head, the Blues would win out, else if it is points differential a turnaround of 80 points would still be needed for the Waratahs to fall behind the Blues. It appears they aren't quite yet mathematically assured a finals berth. A single BP in either of the remaining games, even with two losses, guarantees them a semi spot. Just a close win (4 - x) against either the Reds or the Blues, combined with the other being a no-BP loss and (at worst) with a complete reversal of both the above Week 11 Blues/Hurricanes and Highlanders/Crusaders results would see the Waratahs and the Hurricanes tied for 2nd spot and and head-to-head (favouring the Hurricanes) or differential (currently favouring the Waratahs by 81) deciding the home semi spot. A win against either the Reds or the Blues plus any one BP in either of those two games absolutely guarantees them a home semi. Geoff M
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Mike Thompson 2 May 2005 10:58:43 [ permanent link ]
	TomV wrote:> On Mon, 2 May 2005 16:03:08 +1000, "Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com>> wrote:> We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT $^(&(^*^ >>QUEENSLAND SIDE > The Tahs / Reds rivalry is a joy to behold... from the outside> Its an asymmetrical rivalry, which is NSW's problem. QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled, goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't have the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual frustration and a head shaking. You only have to have seen two events to know it. Bill Moore bellowing "Queenslander" as he walked back down the tunnel at the end of half time in one of the League State Of Origin series - made the hair on the back of my heck stand on end. And Damian Smith (?) trying to take Campese's head off with a punch while pinning him to the ground in the opening minute of a Qld vs NSW game ... can't remember when ... mid-nineties? Two classic moments, in two different codes. QLD have the advantage of genuine anger and hate. For them, NSW is the oppressor, the big brother - the known, serial killing pedophile with bad breath running a coin down the side of your new car. For NSW, QLD is just a great place to go on holidays. -- Mike
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Will S 2 May 2005 12:13:57 [ permanent link ]
	"Mike Thompson" <I@dontthinkso> wrote in message news:4275cf9f$0$5177$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...> TomV wrote:>> On Mon, 2 May 2005 16:03:08 +1000, "Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com>>> wrote:>> We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT $^(&(^*^ >>>QUEENSLAND SIDE>> The Tahs / Reds rivalry is a joy to behold... from the outside>> Its an asymmetrical rivalry, which is NSW's problem.> QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled, > goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't have > the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual frustration > and a head shaking.> You only have to have seen two events to know it. Bill Moore bellowing > "Queenslander" as he walked back down the tunnel at the end of half time > in one of the League State Of Origin series - made the hair on the back of > my heck stand on end. And Damian Smith (?) trying to take Campese's head > off with a punch while pinning him to the ground in the opening minute of > a Qld vs NSW game ... can't remember when ... mid-nineties? Two classic > moments, in two different codes.> QLD have the advantage of genuine anger and hate. For them, NSW is the > oppressor, the big brother - the known, serial killing pedophile with bad > breath running a coin down the side of your new car. For NSW, QLD is just > a great place to go on holidays.> --> Mike True but its changing. In the RL State of Origin the Blues now have just about the same passion as the Reds. And the Tahs fans are now just not wanting but demanding that the Tahs smash the Reds and nothing else is not accepted. Thankfully we won the Pura Cup ( cricket ) and that managed to shut quite a few Queenslanders like Boyd's mate Alvey up ( just ask Ken Higgs ). And Port Adelaide winning the Aerial Ping Pong was also another to quieten those rabid dogs north of the Tweed. Now we will have Queenslanders who know sweet FA about Rugby jumping around and crowing about how great Queensland is if they win the Rugby. So now it is up to the Tahs, win and all past sins will be forgiven. Lose then hope the Crusaders smash you by 100 next time they play us Now if we just can find a certain lady called Suzie from SA and get her working in the Reds hotel I will feel a lot more confident Will
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Will S 2 May 2005 12:15:53 [ permanent link ]
	"Geoff Muldoon" <gmuldoon@nospam.scu.edu.au> wrote in message news:MPG.1ce07a1128dd42f59896a8@news.x-privat.org...> I@dontthinkso says...> All the same, not one single Tah's supporter I've spoken to has done>> anything but roll their eyes about the Reds game coming up this weekend.>> There is absolutely no confidence ... we've all seen it before.>> Everyone has too much scar tissue.> Probably setting myself up badly here, but .. I cannot foresee the> Waratahs losing to the Reds this week! well we all know who to blame now IF
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Uncle Bully 2 May 2005 12:45:49 [ permanent link ]
	"TomV" <tomv@ihug.blahblah.co.nz> wrote in message news:hgfb715ti0fmn6rotb1mu2tjg701flrjii@4ax.com...> On Mon, 02 May 2005 14:44:08 +1000, Mike Thompson <I@dontthinkso>> wrote:> IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but>>until the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time>>wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the>>semis. Best to be prepared.>> --> LOL. Well I've always been happy to bag the Tahs, but they've won my> grudging respect this year. I think the chances they'll self destruct> are slight, and that as a Crusaders supporter I'll be nervous watching> a Tahs /Crusaders final ( assuming they both win their semis, which> they should), although I wouldn't rate us as underdogs Yeah I'm a Tah hater and I think they definitely have the goods this year. The Highlanders was the first real test and they shut them down. The confidence from a win over the Reds should see them through to the final, but whether they have the ability to beat the Crusaders in a big match is another story.
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Alan Luchetti 2 May 2005 12:54:00 [ permanent link ]
	"Mike Thompson" <I@dontthinkso> wrote ...> TomV wrote:>> "Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com> wrote: We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT $^(&(^*^ >>>QUEENSLAND SIDE The Tahs / Reds rivalry is a joy to behold... from the outside It's an asymmetrical rivalry, which is NSW's problem.> QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled, > goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't have > the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of residual frustration > and a head shaking.> You only have to have seen two events to know it. Bill Moore bellowing > "Queenslander" as he walked back down the tunnel at the end of half time > in one of the League State Of Origin series - made the hair on the back of > my heck stand on end. And Damian Smith (?) none other trying to take Campese's head off with a punch while pinning him to the > ground in the opening minute of a Qld vs NSW game ... can't remember when > ... mid-nineties? Two classic moments, in two different codes.> QLD have the advantage of genuine anger and hate. For them, NSW is the > oppressor, the big brother - the known, serial killing pedophile with bad > breath running a coin down the side of your new car. For NSW, QLD is just > a great place to go on holidays. Give up Mike. Diplomacy doesn't compute with Queenslanders. There's much debate in today's Murdoch national daily about whether the Tahs should rev up or keep their cool -- and no consensus. http://tinyurl.com/cv4v2 I'll be at Aussie Stadium on Friday night with memories of the last game there. Wendell running through half the team for an 80m try (a typical Queenslander act for you - never did it in RU before or since). Latham - from NSW fer chrissakes - infected by whatever woofle dust they use and tearing us apart. And nothing but brain explosions from the boys in blue. Tune, Flatley & Heenan out injured will mean zip. They'll be replaced by ... aargh ... Queenslanders. A Tahs win? Should happen now, if ever, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Alan Luchetti 2 May 2005 13:58:20 [ permanent link ]
	"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote ...> "TomV" <tomv@ihug.blahblah.co.nz> wrote ...>> Mike Thompson <I@dontthinkso> wrote: IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but>>>until the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time>>>wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the>>>semis. Best to be prepared. LOL. Well I've always been happy to bag the Tahs, but they've won my>> grudging respect this year. I think the chances they'll self destruct>> are slight, and that as a Crusaders supporter I'll be nervous watching>> a Tahs /Crusaders final ( assuming they both win their semis, which>> they should), although I wouldn't rate us as underdogs Yeah I'm a Tah hater and I think they definitely have the goods this year. > The Highlanders was the first real test and they shut them down. The > confidence from a win over the Reds should see them through to the final, > but whether they have the ability to beat the Crusaders in a big match is > another story. Put it this way - if they can beat the Reds for once they can beat the Crusaders again (home or away) as they've done before - with McCaw on the paddock. I'm still hoping to see my mob in a final probably at Jade, but quite possibly at Aussie Stadium, but I don't doubt the Crusaders will be there, wherever. For me, a semi against the Hurricanes is the biggest worry. No two players have done more damage to the Tahs in recent years than Collins & So'oialo.
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Will S 2 May 2005 16:22:19 [ permanent link ]
	"Alan Luchetti" <not@home> wrote in message news:4275f94a$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote ...>> "TomV" <tomv@ihug.blahblah.co.nz> wrote ...>>> Mike Thompson <I@dontthinkso> wrote:> IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but>>>>until the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time>>>>wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the>>>>semis. Best to be prepared.> LOL. Well I've always been happy to bag the Tahs, but they've won my>>> grudging respect this year. I think the chances they'll self destruct>>> are slight, and that as a Crusaders supporter I'll be nervous watching>>> a Tahs /Crusaders final ( assuming they both win their semis, which>>> they should), although I wouldn't rate us as underdogs> Yeah I'm a Tah hater and I think they definitely have the goods this >> year. The Highlanders was the first real test and they shut them down. >> The confidence from a win over the Reds should see them through to the >> final, but whether they have the ability to beat the Crusaders in a big >> match is another story.> Put it this way - if they can beat the Reds for once they can beat the > Crusaders again (home or away) as they've done before - with McCaw on the > paddock. I'm still hoping to see my mob in a final probably at Jade, but > quite possibly at Aussie Stadium, but I don't doubt the Crusaders will be > there, wherever. For me, a semi against the Hurricanes is the biggest > worry. No two players have done more damage to the Tahs in recent years > than Collins & So'oialo.> the canes dont worry me but a certain side that scored 90+ does
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Mike Thompson 2 May 2005 16:35:45 [ permanent link ]
	Geoff Muldoon wrote:> I@dontthinkso says...> All the same, not one single Tah's supporter I've spoken to has done >>anything but roll their eyes about the Reds game coming up this weekend. >> There is absolutely no confidence ... we've all seen it before. >>Everyone has too much scar tissue.> Probably setting myself up badly here, but .. I cannot foresee the > Waratahs losing to the Reds this week! The Reds feed off that sort of sentiment; it makes them strong. They are like vampires on its neck. But, hey, I agree. There is no way in the world that the Reds should win. And if they are without Flats and Tune then they really, really should have absolutely no chance. The only question should be the magnitude of the Tah's win. Quite similar to last year really. -- Mike
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Mike Thompson 2 May 2005 16:54:26 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Luchetti wrote: I'll be at Aussie Stadium on Friday night with memories of the last game > there. Wendell running through half the team for an 80m try (a typical > Queenslander act for you - never did it in RU before or since). Latham - > from NSW fer chrissakes - infected by whatever woofle dust they use and > tearing us apart. And nothing but brain explosions from the boys in blue.> I have absolutely no memory of Sailors try. Just shows you what the human brain can do if needs be. Instead, my lasting memory of that game was the utterly feeble and passionless 'Tahs side. Despite that, I too will be there on Friday. This time for sure ... -- Mike
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Rick Boyd 2 May 2005 17:00:50 [ permanent link ]
	Mike Thompson wrote: QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled, > goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't have > the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual > frustration and a head shaking. Come on now Thommo, this is just a variation of the tried and true Australian "we're too hard and cool to really care about anything" theme. If you don't want to beat Queensland real, real bad there must be something wrong with you. Year after year they have humiliated New South Wales. That might have been acceptable in those far-off days when sides like Queensland and Natal were regular super 10 finalists, but these days, it's nothing but plain embarrassing. Don't paint the opposition as the rabid, win-or-bust obsessives as compared to your urbane, sophisticated, languidly cynical New South Welshmen. Put a bit of passion into it and get that banana-bending monkey off your back. -- rick boyd
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Mike Thompson 2 May 2005 17:17:18 [ permanent link ]
	rick body wrote:> Mike Thompson wrote:> QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled, >> goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't >> have the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual >> frustration and a head shaking.> Come on now Thommo, this is just a variation of the tried and true > Australian "we're too hard and cool to really care about anything" theme. Oh that's a surprise: Rick recounting negative Australian 'themes' he's discovered. [snip]> Don't paint the opposition as the rabid, win-or-bust obsessives as > compared to your urbane, sophisticated, languidly cynical New South > Welshmen. I can only assume this is your first year of watching super12 games. Put a bit of passion into it and get that banana-bending> monkey off your back. Yes, that's a terrific idea. Thanks Rick. Hey, in a similar vein, the Force should get a really good side together and play really well, and maybe win the super14 in their first year. Good idea, hey? Should we concentrate on the Middle East next? They need us. -- Mike
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Sleepy 3 May 2005 03:52:13 [ permanent link ]
	"Mike Thompson" <I@dontthinkso> wrote in message news:4275b014$0$8121$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...> Nice game by the Tahs on the weekend. All the small things done well.> It was particularly nice to see the scrum so solid and I was impressed> by their new found ability to change their game plan to suit the> opposition. Other than THAT pass in the first 30 secs, they managed to> outflank the Highlanders in that first half, taking away the Highlanders> main weapon: grinding defence.> All the same, not one single Tah's supporter I've spoken to has done> anything but roll their eyes about the Reds game coming up this weekend.> There is absolutely no confidence ... we've all seen it before.> Everyone has too much scar tissue.> IF the Tahs do win, we might see a sudden outpouring of belief, but> until the Reds are knocked off this Tah's supporter spends his idle time> wondering what combination of results might dump the Tahs out of the> semis. Best to be prepared. Well I'm on the other side of the fence. One of those rabid teeth knashing queenslanders. Unlike many of the tossers up here, I am not a fair-weather fan. To watch your team go from stiff competetion to also rans in the space of 5 years is pretty heart-breaking. The common factor in these interstate games, is that the NSW media talk up their prospects and write off the opposition. This makes every player and reds supporter ready for the spilling of blood. The reds pull out some miraculous divine intervention to lift three gears and pumel NSW out of the Semis and then return to being mediocre. In all honesty, I don't think passion will be enough to carry the reds this year. Though I said that last year and was left dancing in the stands when Latham made Turinui look like an idiot. I think if Flately plays, Qld are a chance, and I expect Latham and Sharpe to do all the damage.
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Mike Thompson 3 May 2005 05:09:16 [ permanent link ]
	Sleepy wrote:> In all honesty, I don't think passion will be enough to carry the reds this> year. Though I said that last year and was left dancing in the stands when> Latham made Turinui look like an idiot. I think if Flately plays, Qld are a> chance, and I expect Latham and Sharpe to do all the damage.> Yes, Flats is critical to QLD. Every penalty point will count. And what a difference he makes in getting the ball to those outside backs. That Drew Mitchell is turning into an impressive, confident young player and getting Sailor on the front foot makes all the difference. Palesea in mid field has been terrific in terms of getting over the gain line and making half breaks, but he can only do so much. But your comments are right on. The QLD supporters will dance wildly if they win, but I reckon the overriding emotion for NSW supporters will be blessed relief. If we win I won't be able to get a smile off my face for a couple of days, but I won't be doing any dancing. I'll keep my dancing for when we win back the Bledisloe. And there-in lies the difference - the level of attachment to the outcome. Rick thinks I'm trying to be 'urbane and hard'. Then again he obviously knows bugger all about the nuances of the rivalry or the relative importance of the outcome. He's just being his normal loud mouthed, opinionated, wrong self, isn't he? Happy teeth gnashing, Sleepy. You Toad. -- Mike
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Ernest The Sheep 4 May 2005 03:59:41 [ permanent link ]
	Mike Thompson wrote:> TomV wrote:>> On Mon, 2 May 2005 16:03:08 +1000, "Will S">> <wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com> wrote:>> We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT>>> $^(&(^*^ QUEENSLAND SIDE>> The Tahs / Reds rivalry is a joy to behold... from the outside>> Its an asymmetrical rivalry, which is NSW's problem.> QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled,> goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't> have the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual> frustration and a head shaking.> You only have to have seen two events to know it. Bill Moore> bellowing "Queenslander" as he walked back down the tunnel at the end> of half time in one of the League State Of Origin series - made the> hair on the back of my heck stand on end. And Damian Smith (?)> trying to take Campese's head off with a punch while pinning him to> the ground in the opening minute of a Qld vs NSW game ... can't> remember when ... mid-nineties? Two classic moments, in two different> codes.> QLD have the advantage of genuine anger and hate. For them, NSW is the> oppressor, the big brother - the known, serial killing pedophile with> bad breath running a coin down the side of your new car. For NSW, QLD> is just a great place to go on holidays. Sounds a bit like Australia v NZ rivalry, with NSW=Australia and QLD=NZ.
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Alan Luchetti 4 May 2005 04:17:03 [ permanent link ]
	"ERNEST THE SHEEP" <Ernest_the_Sheep@hotmail.com> wrote ...> Mike Thompson wrote:>> TomV wrote:>>> "Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com> wrote: We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT>>>> $^(&(^*^ QUEENSLAND SIDE The Tahs / Reds rivalry is a joy to behold... from the outside Its an asymmetrical rivalry, which is NSW's problem.>> QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled,>> goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't>> have the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual>> frustration and a head shaking.>> You only have to have seen two events to know it. Bill Moore>> bellowing "Queenslander" as he walked back down the tunnel at the end>> of half time in one of the League State Of Origin series - made the>> hair on the back of my heck stand on end. And Damian Smith (?)>> trying to take Campese's head off with a punch while pinning him to>> the ground in the opening minute of a Qld vs NSW game ... can't>> remember when ... mid-nineties? Two classic moments, in two different>> codes.>> QLD have the advantage of genuine anger and hate. For them, NSW is the>> oppressor, the big brother - the known, serial killing pedophile with>> bad breath running a coin down the side of your new car. For NSW, QLD>> is just a great place to go on holidays. Sounds a bit like Australia v NZ rivalry, with NSW=Australia and QLD=NZ. Off field, yes. On field, often the other way around. But yes, NZ is a great place to go on holidays.
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Lindsay 4 May 2005 09:39:40 [ permanent link ]
	ERNEST THE SHEEP wrote:> Mike Thompson wrote:> TomV wrote:>> On Mon, 2 May 2005 16:03:08 +1000, "Will S">>><wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com> wrote:>>> We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT>>>>$^(&(^*^ QUEENSLAND SIDE>>> The Tahs / Reds rivalry is a joy to behold... from the outside>>> Its an asymmetrical rivalry, which is NSW's problem.>> QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled,>>goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't>>have the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual>>frustration and a head shaking.>> You only have to have seen two events to know it. Bill Moore>>bellowing "Queenslander" as he walked back down the tunnel at the end>>of half time in one of the League State Of Origin series - made the>>hair on the back of my heck stand on end. And Damian Smith (?)>>trying to take Campese's head off with a punch while pinning him to>>the ground in the opening minute of a Qld vs NSW game ... can't>>remember when ... mid-nineties? Two classic moments, in two different>>codes.>>QLD have the advantage of genuine anger and hate. For them, NSW is the>>oppressor, the big brother - the known, serial killing pedophile with>>bad breath running a coin down the side of your new car. For NSW, QLD>>is just a great place to go on holidays.> Sounds a bit like Australia v NZ rivalry, with NSW=Australia and QLD=NZ. Or Auckland, and ANY other part of NZ
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Will S 4 May 2005 12:26:02 [ permanent link ]
	"ERNEST THE SHEEP" <Ernest_the_Sheep@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:AdUde.3469$Od6.487046@news.xtra.co.nz...> Mike Thompson wrote:>> TomV wrote:>>> On Mon, 2 May 2005 16:03:08 +1000, "Will S">>> <wlsuttonrenove@gmail.com> wrote:>>> We dont care who wins the Super 12's as long as WE BEAT THAT>>>> $^(&(^*^ QUEENSLAND SIDE>>> The Tahs / Reds rivalry is a joy to behold... from the outside>>> Its an asymmetrical rivalry, which is NSW's problem.>> QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled,>> goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't>> have the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual>> frustration and a head shaking.>> You only have to have seen two events to know it. Bill Moore>> bellowing "Queenslander" as he walked back down the tunnel at the end>> of half time in one of the League State Of Origin series - made the>> hair on the back of my heck stand on end. And Damian Smith (?)>> trying to take Campese's head off with a punch while pinning him to>> the ground in the opening minute of a Qld vs NSW game ... can't>> remember when ... mid-nineties? Two classic moments, in two different>> codes.>> QLD have the advantage of genuine anger and hate. For them, NSW is the>> oppressor, the big brother - the known, serial killing pedophile with>> bad breath running a coin down the side of your new car. For NSW, QLD>> is just a great place to go on holidays.> Sounds a bit like Australia v NZ rivalry, with NSW=Australia and QLD=NZ.> Who cares if NZ beat Australia. It is just a bloody game but having them peds from north of the tweed win is enough excuse to launch a nuclear attack
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Alvey 7 May 2005 04:29:49 [ permanent link ]
	Mike Thompson wrote: Its an asymmetrical rivalry, which is NSW's problem.> QLDers can work themselves into a teeth-gnashing, white knuckled, > goggle-eyed frenzy at the hint of playing NSW, but NSW just doesn't have > the same intensity in return. All we have is a bit of redidual > frustration and a head shaking.> You only have to have seen two events to know it. Bill Moore bellowing > "Queenslander" as he walked back down the tunnel at the end of half time > in one of the League State Of Origin series Historical footnote: It was Gary Belcher who began the 'Queenslander' call. It happened during a game when NSW were pressing the tryline. Dunno if it worked that particular time but it lasted a fair while. Mind you, the only good thing about SoO of recent times has been Roy & HG call. The games have never been the same since The King retired. - made the hair on the back > of my heck stand on end. And Damian Smith (?) trying to take Campese's > head off with a punch while pinning him to the ground in the opening > minute of a Qld vs NSW game ... can't remember when ... mid-nineties? > Two classic moments, in two different codes.> QLD have the advantage of genuine anger and hate. For them, NSW is the > oppressor, the big brother - the known, serial killing pedophile with > bad breath running a coin down the side of your new car. For NSW, QLD > is just a great place to go on holidays.> No offence Michael, but having a NSW type explain the Qld attitude to NSW is as insightful and accurate as would be Rhett Butler's impressions on what it's like being a black slave. btw, using SoO eligibility rules, can you tell me how many non-NSW players were in their team last night? alvey alvey
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Mike Thompson 9 May 2005 12:06:45 [ permanent link ]
	alvey wrote: No offence Michael, but having a NSW type explain the Qld attitude to > NSW is as insightful and accurate as would be Rhett Butler's impressions > on what it's like being a black slave. I was born and partially raised in Qld, Bwana. -- Mike
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Mike Thompson 9 May 2005 12:08:25 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Luchetti wrote:>>> For NSW, QLD>>> is just a great place to go on holidays.> Sounds a bit like Australia v NZ rivalry, with NSW=Australia and QLD=NZ.> Off field, yes. On field, often the other way around. But yes, NZ is a > great place to go on holidays.> Very glad to hear it. I'm camper-vanning the family around the South Island next Jan. -- Mike
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Alvey 9 May 2005 14:55:08 [ permanent link ]
	Mike Thompson wrote:> alvey wrote:> No offence Michael, but having a NSW type explain the Qld attitude to >> NSW is as insightful and accurate as would be Rhett Butler's >> impressions on what it's like being a black slave.> I was born and partially raised in Qld, Bwana. Which part? alvey
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Mike Thompson 9 May 2005 15:13:53 [ permanent link ]
	alvey wrote:> Mike Thompson wrote:> alvey wrote:>> No offence Michael, but having a NSW type explain the Qld attitude to >>> NSW is as insightful and accurate as would be Rhett Butler's >>> impressions on what it's like being a black slave.>> I was born and partially raised in Qld, Bwana.> Which part?> Mt Isa. -- Mike
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Alvey 9 May 2005 23:26:25 [ permanent link ]
	Mike Thompson wrote: Mt Isa. Never been there. But iirc, the Isa's major exports include Greg Norman & Pat Rafter. Anyway, what does "partially raised" mean?
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Mike Thompson 10 May 2005 03:26:49 [ permanent link ]
	alvey wrote:> Mike Thompson wrote:> Mt Isa.> Never been there. Of course you've never been there. You're one of those soft, pink, little nancy-boy pseudo intellectual types from the South East corner, aren't you? But iirc, the Isa's major exports include Greg Norman > & Pat Rafter. Correct. Without TV, there was only sport and heavy drinking to keep the entertainment starved (mostly male) masses amused. Fertile ground for spots stars and chronic drunks. Actually, my old man became rich selling guns to these 20,000 entertainment starved locals. He owned the town's "sports shop" but sold 10 guns for every tennis racquet. At the time there wasn't a pig or roo alive for 500 miles. Anyway, what does "partially raised" mean? > It's impossible to fully mature in QLD? No, just kidding. It means my family left for overseas and ultimately Sydney while I was still in my early formative years. -- Mike
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