On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:09:28 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@atall.com>>­wrote:>

<<>Here is the clip.>>(And stop moaning, those that do - this is the age of broadband.) >>>

Sorry. The clip does not seem to want to be sent.

<<Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as>

Here's a tip for you: Get a decent NG reader. That will download for> you headers which will have relevant information such as if there is> an attachment and if there is, how big it is.> The header etc. will also tell you what the attachment is about.> Then you use your brain to decide if you want to download the> attachment. > Get it?> You choose.>

That of course means you can choose not to download.>

In light of the above, it does seem that you have some sort of weird> ideological objections to attachments.>

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:01:40 GMT, John Williams><tigerphil­eNOSPAM@THANKSntlwor­ld.com> wrote:>

<<Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as>>inconsiderate next.>>>

Here's a tip for you: Get a decent NG reader.

That will download for>you headers which will have relevant information such as if there is>an attachment and if there is, how big it is.

The header etc. will also tell you what the attachment is about.>Then you use your brain to decide if you want to download the>attachment. >Get it?>You choose.

That of course means you can choose not to download.

In light of the above, it does seem that you have some sort of weird>ideological objections to attachments.

I've got one, thanks.>

I've got one already. Set to a standard limit of 500 lines, as I don't>mind long posts if relevant to the group I'm looking at.>>

Alternatively, you could put clips on a website and let people who>want to download it, just as people here with common sense do.>>

If you'd managed to send an attachment, I wouldn't have downloaded it,>no. If you'd put it on a website I might have, although seeing a bloke>get a nasty smack on the head isn't something I'd go looking for.>

Do you think it would help discussion on this group if people added>attachments? No doubt Morrissey would video his monologues from the>abyss, and be most offended if people didn't watch him.>>

Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee.

It seems to me that tv clippings can be very usefull and does not> today intrude on download time as it did way back when the idea was> formes that they are evil.

Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic Net > access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.>

He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know.

Put your clips up on a WWW site. Post a link. Its easy.>

-- > Mike>

Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like Zimbo and have to > connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms from the local post office that > services a small town of 50,000. Apparently our copper wont support > anything better. Satellite is available but it dosent work here because > nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a $1000 worth of satellite > stuff useless for 5 years since the only serviceman who lived 40kms away > moved on.>

JC

"John Cawston" <rewarewa@ihug.co.n­z> wrote in message > news:d3ddda$916$1@l­ust.ihug.co.nz...>> Mike Thompson wrote:>>> Ferdi Greyling wrote:>>>

maybe the new adsl2 standard might help you out>

its just starting to be available in Oz but no idea about NZ

Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like Zimbo and have > to connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms from the local post office > that services a small town of 50,000. Apparently our copper wont support > anything better. Satellite is available but it dosent work here because > nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a $1000 worth of satellite > stuff useless for 5 years since the only serviceman who lived 40kms away > moved on.

But let's be>

In non-rush hour, I can hoof it 25 minutes down the road and I'm at the > heart of the biggest city in New Zealand. Can I get DSL? You're fucking > joking. Can I at least get Wireless broadband? You're fucking joking.>

So Bobs is stuck on shitty arsed dial up that has about as much speed as > the Scottish backline.>

Oh, and can I get a decent dial up speed? You're fucking joking.>

New Zealand, home of the beatniks and home of a Prime Minister that > wouldn't look out of place playing the Emperor from Star Wars.

"Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gma­il.com> wrote in message > news:425a3b47$0$278­63$61c65585@un-2park­-reader-01.sydney.pi­penetworks.com.au...­>>

Cheers, aMtt>

In non-rush hour, I can hoof it 25 minutes down the road and I'm at the > heart of the biggest city in New Zealand. Can I get DSL? You're fucking > joking. Can I at least get Wireless broadband? You're fucking joking.>

So Bobs is stuck on shitty arsed dial up that has about as much speed as > the Scottish backline.>

Oh, and can I get a decent dial up speed? You're fucking joking.>

New Zealand, home of the beatniks and home of a Prime Minister that > wouldn't look out of place playing the Emperor from Star Wars.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:18:42 GMT, John Williams><tigerphil­eNOSPAM@THANKSntlwor­ld.com> wrote:

So what is your complaint?

It seems to me that tv clippings can be very usefull and does not>today intrude on download time as it did way back when the idea was>formes that they are evil.

Seeing as you couldn't upload the binary, I've no complaint. On the>contrary, I'm pleased the binary wouldn't post onto the group.>

What is your objection to putting the file on a website or posting to>alt binaries?>>

Of course binaries are useful. They are out of place in a discussion>group, though.>>

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:50:46 GMT, John Williams><tigerphil­eNOSPAM@THANKSntlwor­ld.com> wrote:>

<<So what is your complaint?>>

I have no website available in that way.

My argument about the NG is that it can be done without any discomfort>at all, seeing that any NG reader younger than 5 years (and some new>ones are available for free) downloads only headers which gives one>the choice not to download. And then that the data in relevant here on>this NG.>

What are your objections, apart from the argument that this is the>"accepted" way to do things on the NG?

Watchout for devlin, if he though html was bad, wait until his >primitive newreader cops a load of encoded text>

Erm, a friend tells me this will help only if you can get 2Mbs or so now. > Below that it doesn't make any difference.> -- > Pete Devlin> [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]> "Mind the oranges Marlon!"

Seeing as you couldn't upload the binary, I've no complaint. On the>contrary, I'm pleased the binary wouldn't post onto the group.>>

Do you have access to the binary groups?>>

The internet is not free, and there's a lot going on behind the scenes>to provide you with the services you take for granted. Binaries groups>are carried by a relatively small number of news servers. Non binaries>groups, like r.s.r.u. are carried by many more. The original vision of>usenet was to disseminate "news" or discussions as widely as possible.>Having the group pulled because of inappropriate binary posting flies>directly in the face of that. Is this what you want? If you start>posting binaries, your message will reach fewer people.>>

Bloody right too. How hard is it to stick the clip on your website and >provide a link? We might have broad band but reliable news servers are >hard to come by. There's a reason for that.>>

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:04:09 +1200, Greig Blanchett><greigb@n­zrfu.NOSPAM.com> wrote:>

<<>>I have no website available in that way.>>

Yes. Always have.>

<< If not, ask yourself why your>>ISP chooses not to carry binary traffic.>>>

Are there NZ ISP's that does not have the bandwidth to carry groups>with binaries?>

OK I won't do it. >Pity though, it could have prevented a lot of biased name calling.

By the way, it did not know NZ IT infrastructure is under such>pressure. I alwats had the idea it was a relativly developed>infrastru­cture.

In SA all the NG are available via all the major ISP as a rule. And we>do not have the best of infrastructures.

Another thing. If I were to post the binaries on a website, will>people in NZ have access to such websites? Of are internet>subscripti­on in NZ as a rule only text based?

Are there net users that cannot download graphics, but only text?>

<<>>I have no website available in that way.>>

Yes. Always have.>

<< If not, ask yourself why your>>ISP chooses not to carry binary traffic.>>>

Are there NZ ISP's that does not have the bandwidth to carry groups> with binaries?

If there are, and some serious discussers on this NG does not have> access to binary groups, then does it not become nessecary to actually> post binaries - when they are relevant and small in size - on this> group?

It will probably clear up more data in text form that it will take up> space because most of the arguments on controversial issues here> revolve around biased interpretations of what was seen on TV> yesterday.

<<The objection is that your usenet feed is carried by millions of> news>>servers, some paid for as part of your subscription package, some>>doing it of the goodness of their hearts. If this group gets bogged>>down in binaries, the news admins who can't afford the bandwidth (e.g.>>the Berlin U server) will cut the group, and you will effectively be>>terminating many peoples access to r.s.r.u.>>

OK I won't do it.> Pity though, it could have prevented a lot of biased name calling.>

By the way, it did not know NZ IT infrastructure is under such> pressure. I alwats had the idea it was a relativly developed> infrastructure.

In SA all the NG are available via all the major ISP as a rule. And we> do not have the best of infrastructures.

Another thing. If I were to post the binaries on a website, will> people in NZ have access to such websites? Of are internet> subscription in NZ as a rule only text based?> Are there net users that cannot download graphics, but only text?

<<>>So what is your complaint?>>

Here it gets interesting.> I did manage to post it. It is available on this NG.>

It does, however, seem that it did not interfere in any way with your> reading of the group of the service your ISP gives?>

Is that correct?>

The posting of the clip (twice) did not upset anybody it seems. The> IDEA of posting a clip, however, upset you and one other reader a lot,> it seems.

It probably did not upset many as it was filtered by ISP.>>

It's all part of the anti-SA conspiracy Ferdi. Put your tin foil hat>back on before they get to you.>

Later,>Sean>>

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:36:27 +0100, Sean Byrne> <byrne_sean_spamtra­p_@hotmail.com> wrote:>

<<>> It does seem that specially NZ people does not want to see tv> clips.>>> Any reason for that?>>

Sean jumps the knee jerk again!> Sigh.... so boring by now, but then the boy is a bit slow...>

(And he sits in that flat all day....)

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:01:50 +1200, Greig Blanchett><greigb@n­zrfu.NOSPAM.com> wrote:>

<<>Yes, there are clients that will ignore graphics/binaries/h­tml etc.>>and only retrieve text.>>>

Weird...>

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:50:46 GMT, John Williams><tigerphil­eNOSPAM@THANKSntlwor­ld.com> wrote:>

<<>>So what is your complaint?>>

Here it gets interesting.

I did manage to post it. It is available on this NG.

It does, however, seem that it did not interfere in any way with your>reading of the group of the service your ISP gives?>

Is that correct?

The posting of the clip (twice) did not upset anybody it seems. The>IDEA of posting a clip, however, upset you and one other reader a lot,>it seems.

Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like >Zimbo and have to connect at 35-45 bps

You're making even less sense than ever Ferdi, but when you consistently> refuse to admit you're in the wrong, even when it's obvious to all and> sundry, I guess your grip on reality loosens a little.

I should have guessed that any spark of knowledge would show Ferdi the > flabergasted fool...>

just a sample....

<<Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as>>inconsiderate next.>>>

Here's a tip for you: Get a decent NG reader. That will download for> you headers which will have relevant information such as if there is> an attachment and if there is, how big it is.> The header etc. will also tell you what the attachment is about.> Then you use your brain to decide if you want to download the> attachment.

Man's First Powered Flight>Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902

Internal Combustion Engine>Ernest Godward>During the 1930s he was a leading world expert on the internal >combustion engine

DNA ENABLER>Maurice Wilkins>Nobel Prize winner in Physiology and Medicine in 1962. Research >undertaken by New Zealander Maurice Wilkins helped lead to the >discovery in 1953 by James Watson and Francis Crick of the DNA molecule >structure

CHAMPION OF AUTOMATION>Robert Dickie>RJ Dickie invented and patented the world's first stamp vending >machine.

Discover Plastic Conducts Electricity>Alan MacDiarmid discovered that plastics could conduct electricity. >Application of the research is seen to be the future of information >technology. Awarded the 2000 Nobel Prize for chemistry,

GLAXO FOUNDER>Edward Joseph Nathan>In 1906 he founded Glaxo, producer of the dried milk formula that >became a household name for infant health.

First to Conquer Everest>Sir Edmund Hillary

and for an impact on Rugby

REFEREE WITH A FLASH OF INSPIRATION>William­ Atack>William Harrington Atack of Canterbury was the first sports' referee in >the world to use a whistle to stop a game.

Yes you do. A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing and you are >demonstrating exactly that.>>

Man's First Powered Flight>Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902>

Internal Combustion Engine>Ernest Godward>During the 1930s he was a leading world expert on the internal combustion >engine>

DNA ENABLER>Maurice Wilkins>Nobel Prize winner in Physiology and Medicine in 1962. Research undertaken >by New Zealander Maurice Wilkins helped lead to the discovery in 1953 by >James Watson and Francis Crick of the DNA molecule structure>

CHAMPION OF AUTOMATION>Robert Dickie>RJ Dickie invented and patented the world's first stamp vending machine.>

Discover Plastic Conducts Electricity>Alan MacDiarmid discovered that plastics could conduct electricity. >Application of the research is seen to be the future of information >technology. Awarded the 2000 Nobel Prize for chemistry,>

GLAXO FOUNDER>Edward Joseph Nathan>In 1906 he founded Glaxo, producer of the dried milk formula that became a >household name for infant health.>

First to Conquer Everest>Sir Edmund Hillary>

and for an impact on Rugby>

REFEREE WITH A FLASH OF INSPIRATION>William­ Atack>William Harrington Atack of Canterbury was the first sports' referee in the >world to use a whistle to stop a game.>

Maybe you have a little knowlegde of SA?

He, he...> You fall so in place!>

Precisely the reaction that was expected!!>

Only one question remains, actually: Why didn't you call me a nazi as> well?

The issues faced by an organisation trying to run a news server anywhere >are the same. Only a buffoon would try to make it a nationalistic >subject in some kind of points scoring exercise. Unless, of course, you >mean that SA servers only carry SA groups. In that case they probably >run very smoothly because nobody else is interested. Of course you don't >mean that at all. You just don't know anything about the subject at all >and will see the correction of your wrong doings as an attack against SA >by the vicious racists as found every where else in the world.>Leave out the binaries and we'll all get along swimmingly.>>