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Ferdi Greyling 10 April 2005 20:09:28
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:15:29 +1200, John Cawston <rewarewa@ihug.co.n­z>
wrote:

<<>He was running upright, had just had his legs caught and >thus had the perfect excuse to be leading with his head. >Also, he could have realized that his head was in a silly >position and needed to get it down. Just an accident and one >thats inevitable with tacklers determined to go for the chest.>>

Here is the clip.
(And stop moaning, those that do - this is the age of broadband.)


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Ferdi Greyling 10 April 2005 20:17:38 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:15:29 +1200, John Cawston <rewarewa@ihug.co.n­z>
wrote:

<<>He was running upright, had just had his legs caught and >thus had the perfect excuse to be leading with his head. >Also, he could have realized that his head was in a silly >position and needed to get it down. Just an accident and one >thats inevitable with tacklers determined to go for the chest.>>

Here is the clip.
(And stop moaning, those that do - this is the age of broadband.)


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Ferdi Greyling 10 April 2005 20:31:09 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:09:28 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@atall.com>
wrote:

<<>Here is the clip.>(And stop moaning, those that do - this is the age of broadband.) >>

Sorry. The clip does not seem to want to be sent.
I can e-mail it to anybody who wants is, though. about 900K

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John Williams 10 April 2005 23:01:40 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:31:09 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@atall.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:09:28 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@atall.com>>­wrote:>
<<>Here is the clip.>>(And stop moaning, those that do - this is the age of broadband.) >>>
Sorry. The clip does not seem to want to be sent.

Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as
inconsiderate next.

--

Regards,
John Williams
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Ferdi Greyling 11 April 2005 01:37:32 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:01:40 GMT, John Williams
<tigerphileNOSPAM@T­HANKSntlworld.com> wrote:

<<Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as>inconsiderate next.>>

Here's a tip for you: Get a decent NG reader. That will download for
you headers which will have relevant information such as if there is
an attachment and if there is, how big it is.
The header etc. will also tell you what the attachment is about.
Then you use your brain to decide if you want to download the
attachment.
Get it?
You choose.

That of course means you can choose not to download.

In light of the above, it does seem that you have some sort of weird
ideological objections to attachments.




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Andy Mulhearn 11 April 2005 01:53:25 permanent link ]
 Ferdi Greyling wrote:> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:01:40 GMT, John Williams> <tigerphileNOSPAM@T­HANKSntlworld.com> wrote:>
<<Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as>
inconsiderate next.>>>
Here's a tip for you: Get a decent NG reader. That will download for> you headers which will have relevant information such as if there is> an attachment and if there is, how big it is.> The header etc. will also tell you what the attachment is about.> Then you use your brain to decide if you want to download the> attachment. > Get it?> You choose.>
That of course means you can choose not to download.>
In light of the above, it does seem that you have some sort of weird> ideological objections to attachments.>
When did this become a binary allowed news group Ferdi?

Andy
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John Williams 11 April 2005 02:18:42 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:37:32 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@atall.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:01:40 GMT, John Williams><tigerphil­eNOSPAM@THANKSntlwor­ld.com> wrote:>
<<Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as>>inconsiderate next.>>>
Here's a tip for you: Get a decent NG reader.

I've got one, thanks.
That will download for>you headers which will have relevant information such as if there is>an attachment and if there is, how big it is.

I've got one already. Set to a standard limit of 500 lines, as I don't
mind long posts if relevant to the group I'm looking at.
The header etc. will also tell you what the attachment is about.>Then you use your brain to decide if you want to download the>attachment. >Get it?>You choose.

Alternatively, you could put clips on a website and let people who
want to download it, just as people here with common sense do.
That of course means you can choose not to download.

If you'd managed to send an attachment, I wouldn't have downloaded it,
no. If you'd put it on a website I might have, although seeing a bloke
get a nasty smack on the head isn't something I'd go looking for.
In light of the above, it does seem that you have some sort of weird>ideological objections to attachments.

Do you think it would help discussion on this group if people added
attachments? No doubt Morrissey would video his monologues from the
abyss, and be most offended if people didn't watch him.

--

Regards,
John Williams
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Ferdi Greyling 11 April 2005 11:57:30 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:18:42 GMT, John Williams
<tigerphileNOSPAM@T­HANKSntlworld.com> wrote:

<<>On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:37:32 +0200, Ferdi Greyling
<NoSpam@atall.com>>­wrote:>
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:01:40 GMT, John Williams>><tigerphi­leNOSPAM@THANKSntlwo­rld.com> wrote:>>
<<Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as>>>inconsiderate next.>>>>
Here's a tip for you: Get a decent NG reader. >
I've got one, thanks.>
That will download for>>you headers which will have relevant information such as if there is>>an attachment and if there is, how big it is.>
I've got one already. Set to a standard limit of 500 lines, as I don't>mind long posts if relevant to the group I'm looking at.>>

So what is your complaint?

<<>>The header etc. will also tell you what the attachment is about.>>Then you use your brain to decide if you want to download the>>attachment. >>Get it?>>You choose.>
Alternatively, you could put clips on a website and let people who>want to download it, just as people here with common sense do.>>

The pont is that people allready can choose not to download it or not
on the NG.

The website idea comes from a time when NG readers did not give one
that choice.

<<>>That of course means you can choose not to download.>
If you'd managed to send an attachment, I wouldn't have downloaded it,>no. If you'd put it on a website I might have, although seeing a bloke>get a nasty smack on the head isn't something I'd go looking for.>
In light of the above, it does seem that you have some sort of weird>>ideological objections to attachments.>
Do you think it would help discussion on this group if people added>attachments? No doubt Morrissey would video his monologues from the>abyss, and be most offended if people didn't watch him.>>

Yes. It would help one hell of a lot because then people will be able
to see what happened and the discussion will at least have a chance of
moving away from the question if the interpretation that people give
of what they saw on tv yesterday is biased or not.

The revelant issues for me is:
1. Can one choose to download attachments or not.
Yes one can.
2. Can such attachments carry 1st level information on controversial
matters.
Yes it can

It seems to me that tv clippings can be very usefull and does not
today intrude on download time as it did way back when the idea was
formes that they are evil.



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Mike Thompson 11 April 2005 12:01:44 permanent link ]
 Ferdi Greyling wrote:
Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee.


Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic Net
access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.

He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know. But let's be
kind shall we, it costs nothing.

Put your clips up on a WWW site. Post a link. Its easy.

--
Mike



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Mr Scebe 11 April 2005 12:04:51 permanent link ]
 
"Ferdi Greyling" <NoSpam@tome.com> wrote in message
news:k4bk51p6n510m5­smm3dfk32pfk6de3sfl3­@4ax.com...
It seems to me that tv clippings can be very usefull and does not> today intrude on download time as it did way back when the idea was> formes that they are evil.

Why don't you just give yourself the uppercut that you deserve and admit
that you were wrong? Any considerate user of Usenet (like me for instance)
will post the binary at alt.binaries. and provide a link here so that people
can get it if they want. Given that you are a Bore, i expect it will take
some time for us to teach you the correct etiquette.

--
Mr Scebe
"You can always tell a Bore, you just can't tell him very much"
~ Mr Scebe circa 2005.


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John Cawston 11 April 2005 12:44:35 permanent link ]
 Mike Thompson wrote:> Ferdi Greyling wrote:>
Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband>> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee. >
Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic Net > access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.>
He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know.

Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like
Zimbo and have to connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms
from the local post office that services a small town of
50,000. Apparently our copper wont support anything better.
Satellite is available but it dosent work here because
nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a $1000 worth
of satellite stuff useless for 5 years since the only
serviceman who lived 40kms away moved on.

JC

But let's be> kind shall we, it costs nothing.>
Put your clips up on a WWW site. Post a link. Its easy.>
-- > Mike>
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Will S 11 April 2005 12:54:24 permanent link ]
 
"John Cawston" <rewarewa@ihug.co.n­z> wrote in message
news:d3ddda$916$1@l­ust.ihug.co.nz...> Mike Thompson wrote:>> Ferdi Greyling wrote:>>
Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband>>> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee.>>
Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic Net >> access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.>>
He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know.>
Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like Zimbo and have to > connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms from the local post office that > services a small town of 50,000. Apparently our copper wont support > anything better. Satellite is available but it dosent work here because > nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a $1000 worth of satellite > stuff useless for 5 years since the only serviceman who lived 40kms away > moved on.>
JC

maybe the new adsl2 standard might help you out

its just starting to be available in Oz but no idea about NZ


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Neilsons 11 April 2005 13:13:23 permanent link ]
 
"Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gma­il.com> wrote in message
news:425a3b47$0$278­63$61c65585@un-2park­-reader-01.sydney.pi­penetworks.com.au...­>
"John Cawston" <rewarewa@ihug.co.n­z> wrote in message > news:d3ddda$916$1@l­ust.ihug.co.nz...>> Mike Thompson wrote:>>> Ferdi Greyling wrote:>>>
Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband>>>> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee.>>>
Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic Net >>> access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.>>>
He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know.>>
Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like Zimbo and have >> to connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms from the local post office >> that services a small town of 50,000. Apparently our copper wont support >> anything better. Satellite is available but it dosent work here because >> nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a $1000 worth of satellite >> stuff useless for 5 years since the only serviceman who lived 40kms away >> moved on.>>
maybe the new adsl2 standard might help you out>
its just starting to be available in Oz but no idea about NZ
It's not far away at all but with our telecomms regime it is not necessarily
in the interests of the monopoly to provide the latest technology until they
have wrung the last cent out of the existing architecture.

Cheers, aMtt


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Bobs 11 April 2005 13:22:53 permanent link ]
 John Cawston wrote:> Mike Thompson wrote:>
Ferdi Greyling wrote:>>
Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband>>> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee. >>
Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic >> Net access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.>>
He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know.>
Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like Zimbo and have > to connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms from the local post office > that services a small town of 50,000. Apparently our copper wont support > anything better. Satellite is available but it dosent work here because > nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a $1000 worth of satellite > stuff useless for 5 years since the only serviceman who lived 40kms away > moved on.

In non-rush hour, I can hoof it 25 minutes down the road and I'm at the
heart of the biggest city in New Zealand. Can I get DSL? You're fucking
joking. Can I at least get Wireless broadband? You're fucking joking.

So Bobs is stuck on shitty arsed dial up that has about as much speed as
the Scottish backline.

Oh, and can I get a decent dial up speed? You're fucking joking.

New Zealand, home of the beatniks and home of a Prime Minister that
wouldn't look out of place playing the Emperor from Star Wars.
But let's be>
kind shall we, it costs nothing.>>
Put your clips up on a WWW site. Post a link. Its easy.>>
-- >> Mike>>
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John Cawston 11 April 2005 13:35:20 permanent link ]
 Bobs wrote:> John Cawston wrote:>
Mike Thompson wrote:>>
Ferdi Greyling wrote:>>>
Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband>>>> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee. >>>
Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic >>> Net access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.>>>
He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know.>>
Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like Zimbo and >> have to connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms from the local post >> office that services a small town of 50,000. Apparently our copper >> wont support anything better. Satellite is available but it dosent >> work here because nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a >> $1000 worth of satellite stuff useless for 5 years since the only >> serviceman who lived 40kms away moved on.>
In non-rush hour, I can hoof it 25 minutes down the road and I'm at the > heart of the biggest city in New Zealand. Can I get DSL? You're fucking > joking. Can I at least get Wireless broadband? You're fucking joking.>
So Bobs is stuck on shitty arsed dial up that has about as much speed as > the Scottish backline.>
Oh, and can I get a decent dial up speed? You're fucking joking.>
New Zealand, home of the beatniks and home of a Prime Minister that > wouldn't look out of place playing the Emperor from Star Wars.

The Star Wars Emperor would at least denut you in a
nanosecond with up to date technology.

But let's be>>
kind shall we, it costs nothing.>>>
Put your clips up on a WWW site. Post a link. Its easy.>>>
-- >>> Mike>>>
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Will S 11 April 2005 13:37:40 permanent link ]
 
"Neilsons" <matt.neilson@parad­ise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:425a3fb3@clear­.net.nz...>
"Will S" <wlsuttonrenove@gma­il.com> wrote in message > news:425a3b47$0$278­63$61c65585@un-2park­-reader-01.sydney.pi­penetworks.com.au...­>>
"John Cawston" <rewarewa@ihug.co.n­z> wrote in message >> news:d3ddda$916$1@l­ust.ihug.co.nz...>>>­ Mike Thompson wrote:>>>> Ferdi Greyling wrote:>>>>
Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband>>>>> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee.>>>>
Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic Net >>>> access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.>>>>
He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know.>>>
Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like Zimbo and have >>> to connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms from the local post office >>> that services a small town of 50,000. Apparently our copper wont support >>> anything better. Satellite is available but it dosent work here because >>> nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a $1000 worth of satellite >>> stuff useless for 5 years since the only serviceman who lived 40kms away >>> moved on.>>>
maybe the new adsl2 standard might help you out>>
its just starting to be available in Oz but no idea about NZ> It's not far away at all but with our telecomms regime it is not > necessarily in the interests of the monopoly to provide the latest > technology until they have wrung the last cent out of the existing > architecture.>
Cheers, aMtt>

its not the speed Matt but the distances from the exchange so more customers


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Ferdi Greyling 11 April 2005 13:46:59 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:04:51 +1200, "Mr Scebe" <Mr_Scebe@nowhere.c­om>
wrote:

<<>Why don't you just give yourself the uppercut that you deserve and
admit >that you were wrong? Any considerate user of Usenet (like me for instance) >will post the binary at alt.binaries. and provide a link here so that people >can get it if they want. Given that you are a Bore, i expect it will take >some time for us to teach you the correct etiquette.>>

Is that the ewe blaaing in the room?

Why don't you go and have a look.


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Md 11 April 2005 16:01:25 permanent link ]
 
"Bobs" <blah@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:Slr6e.17736$1S­4.1775064@news.xtra.­co.nz...> John Cawston wrote:>> Mike Thompson wrote:>>
Ferdi Greyling wrote:>>>
Circumstances has changed. Today most posters probably has broadband>>>> which is "always on" and at a montly flat fee.>>>
Not everyone. A friend lives in Zimbabwe and he only gets sporadic Net >>> access and even when it's available it's an intermittent 56K.>>>
He only represents a tiny minority these days, I know.>>
Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like Zimbo and have >> to connect at 35-45 bps because I live 3 kms from the local post office >> that services a small town of 50,000. Apparently our copper wont support >> anything better. Satellite is available but it dosent work here because >> nobody knows how to keep it running. I've had a $1000 worth of satellite >> stuff useless for 5 years since the only serviceman who lived 40kms away >> moved on.>
In non-rush hour, I can hoof it 25 minutes down the road and I'm at the > heart of the biggest city in New Zealand. Can I get DSL? You're fucking > joking. Can I at least get Wireless broadband? You're fucking joking.>
So Bobs is stuck on shitty arsed dial up that has about as much speed as > the Scottish backline.>
Oh, and can I get a decent dial up speed? You're fucking joking.>
New Zealand, home of the beatniks and home of a Prime Minister that > wouldn't look out of place playing the Emperor from Star Wars.

cmon give the Emperor a break, I am sure his mother loved him, not sure
about HC
But let's be>>
kind shall we, it costs nothing.>>>
Put your clips up on a WWW site. Post a link. Its easy.>>>
-- >>> Mike>>>


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John Williams 11 April 2005 21:50:46 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:57:30 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@tome.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:18:42 GMT, John Williams><tigerphil­eNOSPAM@THANKSntlwor­ld.com> wrote:
I've got one already. Set to a standard limit of 500 lines, as I don't>>mind long posts if relevant to the group I'm looking at.>>>
So what is your complaint?

Seeing as you couldn't upload the binary, I've no complaint. On the
contrary, I'm pleased the binary wouldn't post onto the group.

What is your objection to putting the file on a website or posting to
alt binaries?

[...]
It seems to me that tv clippings can be very usefull and does not>today intrude on download time as it did way back when the idea was>formes that they are evil.

Of course binaries are useful. They are out of place in a discussion
group, though.


--

Regards,
John Williams
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Ferdi Greyling 11 April 2005 22:29:03 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:50:46 GMT, John Williams
<tigerphileNOSPAM@T­HANKSntlworld.com> wrote:

<<So what is your complaint?>
Seeing as you couldn't upload the binary, I've no complaint. On the>contrary, I'm pleased the binary wouldn't post onto the group.>
What is your objection to putting the file on a website or posting to>alt binaries?>>

I have no website available in that way.
My argument about the NG is that it can be done without any discomfort
at all, seeing that any NG reader younger than 5 years (and some new
ones are available for free) downloads only headers which gives one
the choice not to download. And then that the data in relevant here on
this NG.

What are your objections, apart from the argument that this is the
"accepted" way to do things on the NG?

<<>>It seems to me that tv clippings can be very usefull and does not>>today intrude on download time as it did way back when the idea was>>formes that they are evil.>
Of course binaries are useful. They are out of place in a discussion>group, though.>>

No. They are part of the foundation for the discussion.
They are - in legal terms - many times 1st level documents without
which discussion and argument becomes slander and hearsay.

You are here actually asking NOT to be supplied with primary
information!



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Greig Blanchett 11 April 2005 23:04:09 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:29:03 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@atall.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:50:46 GMT, John Williams><tigerphil­eNOSPAM@THANKSntlwor­ld.com> wrote:>
<<So what is your complaint?>>
Seeing as you couldn't upload the binary, I've no complaint. On the>>contrary, I'm pleased the binary wouldn't post onto the group.>>
What is your objection to putting the file on a website or posting to>>alt binaries?>>>
I have no website available in that way.

Do you have access to the binary groups? If not, ask yourself why your
ISP chooses not to carry binary traffic.

My argument about the NG is that it can be done without any discomfort>at all, seeing that any NG reader younger than 5 years (and some new>ones are available for free) downloads only headers which gives one>the choice not to download. And then that the data in relevant here on>this NG.>
What are your objections, apart from the argument that this is the>"accepted" way to do things on the NG?

The objection is that your usenet feed is carried by millions of news
servers, some paid for as part of your subscription package, some
doing it of the goodness of their hearts. If this group gets bogged
down in binaries, the news admins who can't afford the bandwidth (e.g.
the Berlin U server) will cut the group, and you will effectively be
terminating many peoples access to r.s.r.u.

The internet is not free, and there's a lot going on behind the scenes
to provide you with the services you take for granted. Binaries groups
are carried by a relatively small number of news servers. Non binaries
groups, like r.s.r.u. are carried by many more. The original vision of
usenet was to disseminate "news" or discussions as widely as possible.
Having the group pulled because of inappropriate binary posting flies
directly in the face of that. Is this what you want? If you start
posting binaries, your message will reach fewer people.

Don't do it.



[...]

--
greig
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Pete Devlin 12 April 2005 02:59:31 permanent link ]
 In message <207j51lg25rk51li19­9agi1q3e82cemn8d@4ax­.com>, Ferdi Greyling
<NoSpam@atall.com> writes>In light of the above, it does seem that you have some sort of weird >ideological objections to attachments.

Bloody right too. How hard is it to stick the clip on your website and
provide a link? We might have broad band but reliable news servers are
hard to come by. There's a reason for that.
--
Pete Devlin
[{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]
"Mind the oranges Marlon!"
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Pete Devlin 12 April 2005 03:02:42 permanent link ]
 In message
<425a3b47$0$27863$6­1c65585@un-2park-rea­der-01.sydney.pipene­tworks.com.au>
, Will S <wlsuttonrenove@gma­il.com> writes>maybe the new adsl2 standard might help you out

Erm, a friend tells me this will help only if you can get 2Mbs or so
now. Below that it doesn't make any difference.
--
Pete Devlin
[{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]
"Mind the oranges Marlon!"
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Pete Devlin 12 April 2005 03:07:21 permanent link ]
 In message <8Dt6e.7671$5F3.346­6@news-server.bigpon­d.net.au>, MD
<mpd000nospam@hotma­il.com> writes>Even better throw it on your website/freesite and post the link.

Hear hear.>
Watchout for devlin, if he though html was bad, wait until his >primitive newreader cops a load of encoded text>
My primitive newsreader handles binaries superbly. I just don't want
them. Apart from that, my server, and quite a few others round these
here parts bins posts with them.
--
Pete Devlin
[{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]
"Mind the oranges Marlon!"
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Will S 12 April 2005 11:49:04 permanent link ]
 
"pete devlin" <spamtrap@secondrow­.co.uk> wrote in message
news:W$fkfNGSIwWCFw­D4@sukmabobby.com...­> In message > <425a3b47$0$27863$6­1c65585@un-2park-rea­der-01.sydney.pipene­tworks.com.au>> , Will S <wlsuttonrenove@gma­il.com> writes>>maybe the new adsl2 standard might help you out>
Erm, a friend tells me this will help only if you can get 2Mbs or so now. > Below that it doesn't make any difference.> -- > Pete Devlin> [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]> "Mind the oranges Marlon!"

basically its someother technology that is becoming available along with
ADSL2 so he is correct but the result is a longer range which will give a
hell of a lot of people access



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Ferdi Greyling 12 April 2005 12:58:51 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:50:46 GMT, John Williams
<tigerphileNOSPAM@T­HANKSntlworld.com> wrote:

<<>>So what is your complaint?>
Seeing as you couldn't upload the binary, I've no complaint. On the>contrary, I'm pleased the binary wouldn't post onto the group.>>

Here it gets interesting.
I did manage to post it. It is available on this NG.

It does, however, seem that it did not interfere in any way with your
reading of the group of the service your ISP gives?

Is that correct?

The posting of the clip (twice) did not upset anybody it seems. The
IDEA of posting a clip, however, upset you and one other reader a lot,
it seems.



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Ferdi Greyling 12 April 2005 13:08:02 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:04:09 +1200, Greig Blanchett
<greigb@nzrfu.NOSPA­M.com> wrote:


<<>>I have no website available in that way.>
Do you have access to the binary groups?>>

Yes. Always have.

<< If not, ask yourself why your>ISP chooses not to carry binary traffic.>>

Are there NZ ISP's that does not have the bandwidth to carry groups
with binaries?

If there are, and some serious discussers on this NG does not have
access to binary groups, then does it not become nessecary to actually
post binaries - when they are relevant and small in size - on this
group?

It will probably clear up more data in text form that it will take up
space because most of the arguments on controversial issues here
revolve around biased interpretations of what was seen on TV
yesterday.

<<The objection is that your usenet feed is carried by millions of
news>servers, some paid for as part of your subscription package, some>doing it of the goodness of their hearts. If this group gets bogged>down in binaries, the news admins who can't afford the bandwidth (e.g.>the Berlin U server) will cut the group, and you will effectively be>terminating many peoples access to r.s.r.u.>
The internet is not free, and there's a lot going on behind the scenes>to provide you with the services you take for granted. Binaries groups>are carried by a relatively small number of news servers. Non binaries>groups, like r.s.r.u. are carried by many more. The original vision of>usenet was to disseminate "news" or discussions as widely as possible.>Having the group pulled because of inappropriate binary posting flies>directly in the face of that. Is this what you want? If you start>posting binaries, your message will reach fewer people.>>

OK I won't do it.
Pity though, it could have prevented a lot of biased name calling.

By the way, it did not know NZ IT infrastructure is under such
pressure. I alwats had the idea it was a relativly developed
infrastructure.

In SA all the NG are available via all the major ISP as a rule. And we
do not have the best of infrastructures.

Another thing. If I were to post the binaries on a website, will
people in NZ have access to such websites? Of are internet
subscription in NZ as a rule only text based?
Are there net users that cannot download graphics, but only text?


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Ferdi Greyling 12 April 2005 13:09:41 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:59:31 +0100, pete devlin
<spamtrap@secondrow­.co.uk> wrote:

<<>In message <207j51lg25rk51li19­9agi1q3e82cemn8d@4ax­.com>, Ferdi
Greyling ><NoSpam@atall.com>­ writes>>In light of the above, it does seem that you have some sort of weird >>ideological objections to attachments.>
Bloody right too. How hard is it to stick the clip on your website and >provide a link? We might have broad band but reliable news servers are >hard to come by. There's a reason for that.>>

In SA we don't have such a problem.


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Greig Blanchett 12 April 2005 14:01:50 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:08:02 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@tome.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:04:09 +1200, Greig Blanchett><greigb@n­zrfu.NOSPAM.com> wrote:>
<<>>I have no website available in that way.>>
Do you have access to the binary groups?>>>
Yes. Always have.>
<< If not, ask yourself why your>>ISP chooses not to carry binary traffic.>>>
Are there NZ ISP's that does not have the bandwidth to carry groups>with binaries?>
Yes, and it's not only in NZ. For a lot of them, choosing not to carry
binaries is nothing to do with bandwidth either.

[...]>
OK I won't do it. >Pity though, it could have prevented a lot of biased name calling.

At the end of the day, it wouldn't have. We all see the same match on
TV yet we all see different things. In any one game, depending on
who's reporting, the ref was crap/brilliant, team A was
rubbish/sensational­, team B was lucky/robbed and so on. Seeing a
grainy mpeg of a piece of out of context action would only inspire
more debate, not settle any arguments.
By the way, it did not know NZ IT infrastructure is under such>pressure. I alwats had the idea it was a relativly developed>infrastru­cture.

It's not the infrastructure. As I said, many news server admins world
wide refuse to carry binaries for a lot of reasons. Bandwidth is
merely one of them.
In SA all the NG are available via all the major ISP as a rule. And we>do not have the best of infrastructures.

Probably because they're indiscriminately carrying binaries. Does your
ISP carry all 60000 odd groups? Many ISPs refuse to carry the alt.
hierarchy as well, for the same reasons that they refuse to carry
binaries.
Another thing. If I were to post the binaries on a website, will>people in NZ have access to such websites? Of are internet>subscripti­on in NZ as a rule only text based?

Huh? A web site is a web site is a web site. If you want the most
people to see your vcap, post it to a web site. Those who are
interested will visit, even those who are unable to get the binary
groups, so you've immediately made it more acccessible to more people.
Are there net users that cannot download graphics, but only text?>

Yes, there are clients that will ignore graphics/binaries/h­tml etc.
and only retrieve text.


--
greig
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Md 12 April 2005 17:34:43 permanent link ]
 
"Ferdi Greyling" <NoSpam@tome.com> wrote in message
news:cg3n51ti38qaie­fjbn4jpsf17pdsh57u3s­@4ax.com...> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:04:09 +1200, Greig Blanchett> <greigb@nzrfu.NOSPA­M.com> wrote:>
<<>>I have no website available in that way.>>
Do you have access to the binary groups?>>>
Yes. Always have.>
<< If not, ask yourself why your>>ISP chooses not to carry binary traffic.>>>
Are there NZ ISP's that does not have the bandwidth to carry groups> with binaries?
Do South Africans have bandwidth in schools to teach grammar.
If there are, and some serious discussers on this NG does not have> access to binary groups, then does it not become nessecary to actually> post binaries - when they are relevant and small in size - on this> group?
Again, this is demonstrated. (or just an obsfucated dialect)
It will probably clear up more data in text form that it will take up> space because most of the arguments on controversial issues here> revolve around biased interpretations of what was seen on TV> yesterday.

just post da link....
<<The objection is that your usenet feed is carried by millions of> news>>servers, some paid for as part of your subscription package, some>>doing it of the goodness of their hearts. If this group gets bogged>>down in binaries, the news admins who can't afford the bandwidth (e.g.>>the Berlin U server) will cut the group, and you will effectively be>>terminating many peoples access to r.s.r.u.>>
The internet is not free, and there's a lot going on behind the scenes>>to provide you with the services you take for granted. Binaries groups>>are carried by a relatively small number of news servers. Non binaries>>groups, like r.s.r.u. are carried by many more. The original vision of>>usenet was to disseminate "news" or discussions as widely as possible.>>Having the group pulled because of inappropriate binary posting flies>>directly in the face of that. Is this what you want? If you start>>posting binaries, your message will reach fewer people.>>>
OK I won't do it.> Pity though, it could have prevented a lot of biased name calling.>
By the way, it did not know NZ IT infrastructure is under such> pressure. I alwats had the idea it was a relativly developed> infrastructure.

???
Is this not a SA, AUS, NZ thing, but purely if a NG is nominated to include
binaries.
Even some of the ISPs on major backbones of Australia who have the
infrastructure to support diddly squat sized binaries (even if eminating
from impoverished Sth Africans - that mental poverty not financial) will not
support such rogue posters.
In SA all the NG are available via all the major ISP as a rule. And we> do not have the best of infrastructures.
You got it!
Another thing. If I were to post the binaries on a website, will> people in NZ have access to such websites? Of are internet> subscription in NZ as a rule only text based?> Are there net users that cannot download graphics, but only text?

Get real.... Yes, sometimes it feels like warping back to1985 when visiting
NZ, but generally I would classify NZ the clever nation, with plenty of
innovators and world firsts!



anyhow... back to McCaw? (while Ferdi goes back to
alt.binaries.pictur­es.beastiality.lione­ss cos his ISP can!)

How long will it be... will he be put in cotton wool for the ABs


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Md 12 April 2005 17:37:14 permanent link ]
 
"Ferdi Greyling" <NoSpam@tome.com> wrote in message
news:t83n515cd1fenf­6ecr8sm3n11142ehr0kj­@4ax.com...> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:50:46 GMT, John Williams> <tigerphileNOSPAM@T­HANKSntlworld.com> wrote:>
<<>>So what is your complaint?>>
Seeing as you couldn't upload the binary, I've no complaint. On the>>contrary, I'm pleased the binary wouldn't post onto the group.>>>
Here it gets interesting.> I did manage to post it. It is available on this NG.>
It does, however, seem that it did not interfere in any way with your> reading of the group of the service your ISP gives?>
Is that correct?>
The posting of the clip (twice) did not upset anybody it seems. The> IDEA of posting a clip, however, upset you and one other reader a lot,> it seems.

It probably did not upset many as it was filtered by ISP.

Telstra gave it the biffo.


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Ferdi Greyling 12 April 2005 18:25:24 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:01:50 +1200, Greig Blanchett
<greigb@nzrfu.NOSPA­M.com> wrote:

<<>Yes, there are clients that will ignore graphics/binaries/h­tml etc.>and only retrieve text.>>

Weird...


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Ferdi Greyling 12 April 2005 18:30:24 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:37:14 GMT, "MD" <mpd000nospam@hotma­il.com>
wrote:

<<>> The posting of the clip (twice) did not upset anybody it seems.
IDEA of posting a clip, however, upset you and one other reader a lot,>> it seems.>
It probably did not upset many as it was filtered by ISP.>>

Yes.

So I can post it, you see....

Your ISP's will filter it.
And those that get it and want to see it, can!

It's actually very logical...


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Ferdi Greyling 12 April 2005 18:53:38 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:36:27 +0100, Sean Byrne
<byrne_sean_spamtra­p_@hotmail.com> wrote:

<<>> It does seem that specially NZ people does not want to see tv
clips.>> Any reason for that?>
It's all part of the anti-SA conspiracy Ferdi. Put your tin foil hat>back on before they get to you.>
Later,>Sean>>

Sean jumps the knee jerk again!
Sigh.... so boring by now, but then the boy is a bit slow...

(And he sits in that flat all day....)



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Sean Byrne 12 April 2005 19:27:42 permanent link ]
 Ferdi Greyling wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:36:27 +0100, Sean Byrne> <byrne_sean_spamtra­p_@hotmail.com> wrote:>
<<>> It does seem that specially NZ people does not want to see tv> clips.>>> Any reason for that?>>
It's all part of the anti-SA conspiracy Ferdi. Put your tin foil hat>>back on before they get to you.>>
Later,>>Sean>>>
Sean jumps the knee jerk again!> Sigh.... so boring by now, but then the boy is a bit slow...>
(And he sits in that flat all day....)

You're making even less sense than ever Ferdi, but when you consistently
refuse to admit you're in the wrong, even when it's obvious to all and
sundry, I guess your grip on reality loosens a little.

Why don't you go back to making some of those incisive and original
sheep jokes?

Later,
Sean

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Greig Blanchett 12 April 2005 21:36:56 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:25:24 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@tome.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:01:50 +1200, Greig Blanchett><greigb@n­zrfu.NOSPAM.com> wrote:>
<<>Yes, there are clients that will ignore graphics/binaries/h­tml etc.>>and only retrieve text.>>>
Weird...>

Not really. There's whole worlds of new things out there, Ferdi.
Nobody expects you to know them all.

--
greig
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John Williams 12 April 2005 21:49:12 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:58:51 +0200, Ferdi Greyling <NoSpam@tome.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:50:46 GMT, John Williams><tigerphil­eNOSPAM@THANKSntlwor­ld.com> wrote:>
<<>>So what is your complaint?>>
Seeing as you couldn't upload the binary, I've no complaint. On the>>contrary, I'm pleased the binary wouldn't post onto the group.>>>
Here it gets interesting.

You have a funny idea of what is interesting.
I did manage to post it. It is available on this NG.

Not on my server it isn't.
It does, however, seem that it did not interfere in any way with your>reading of the group of the service your ISP gives?>
Is that correct?

No. I use a text only server, because my ISP's binary servers are
extremely slow. Usenet performance was horrible until the text only
server was introduced, and you are doing your little bit to reduce the
service given to people who don't have access to text only servers.
The posting of the clip (twice) did not upset anybody it seems. The>IDEA of posting a clip, however, upset you and one other reader a lot,>it seems.

Yes, I'm purple with rage because I'm a secret NZ fan worried what the
clip might show.

--

Regards,
John Williams
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Pete Devlin 12 April 2005 22:39:33 permanent link ]
 In message <jlmn519a4kib4mbg6b­brpp4p8kb0jsh8hk@4ax­.com>, Ferdi Greyling
<NoSpam@tome.com> writes>It does seem to be a NZ thing, though. All the screams come from there.

There are none so blind as those who cannot see.
--
Pete Devlin
[{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]
"Mind the oranges Marlon!"
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DaveyWavey 13 April 2005 01:38:55 permanent link ]
 
Not so tiny, and I dont live in an advanced country like >Zimbo and have to connect at 35-45 bps

35-45 bits per second. Usenet by telegram?

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Rick Boyd 13 April 2005 02:57:55 permanent link ]
 Sean Byrne wrote:

You're making even less sense than ever Ferdi, but when you consistently> refuse to admit you're in the wrong, even when it's obvious to all and> sundry, I guess your grip on reality loosens a little.

Get real.

The Ferdster is never wrong!

The wagons are in a circle. The trusty rifle is dropping the circling
zulus and the invading redcoats. The stout boer will never surrender!
Never! Satan will install an ice rink first!

-- rick boyd
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Rick Boyd 13 April 2005 12:51:33 permanent link ]
 MD wrote:
I should have guessed that any spark of knowledge would show Ferdi the > flabergasted fool...>
just a sample....

Please refrain from engaging in silly nationalistic chest-beating. This
has nothing to do with your point.

-- rick boyd
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Jd 13 April 2005 16:52:23 permanent link ]
 Ferdi Greyling wrote:> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:01:40 GMT, John Williams> <tigerphileNOSPAM@T­HANKSntlworld.com> wrote:>
<<Good. You'll be posting in html or doing something else just as>>inconsiderate next.>>>
Here's a tip for you: Get a decent NG reader. That will download for> you headers which will have relevant information such as if there is> an attachment and if there is, how big it is.> The header etc. will also tell you what the attachment is about.> Then you use your brain to decide if you want to download the> attachment.

I have a decent enough news reader and I set it to automatically
download the message bodies. I don't subscribe to binary groups for an
obvious reason.


--
"At least we went out and played in that first half. And what have
France done? They've won with kicks from the 10-metre line. It's
bitterly frustrating." - Andy Robinson
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Pete Devlin 13 April 2005 21:25:49 permanent link ]
 In message <EDY6e.9244$5F3.271­7@news-server.bigpon­d.net.au>, MD
<mpd000nospam@hotma­il.com> writes>Atomic Physicist>Ernest Rutherford

Jock who was educated at Cambridge.>
Man's First Powered Flight>Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902

This is very debatable. Doesn't every country have a claim on this?
Internal Combustion Engine>Ernest Godward>During the 1930s he was a leading world expert on the internal >combustion engine

Ah yes. Declared as such after the "Internal Combustion Engine Expert
World Championship"
DNA ENABLER>Maurice Wilkins>Nobel Prize winner in Physiology and Medicine in 1962. Research >undertaken by New Zealander Maurice Wilkins helped lead to the >discovery in 1953 by James Watson and Francis Crick of the DNA molecule >structure

So he was the lab assistant then.
CHAMPION OF AUTOMATION>Robert Dickie>RJ Dickie invented and patented the world's first stamp vending >machine.

Another jock but it's hardly the greatest achievement is it?>
Discover Plastic Conducts Electricity>Alan MacDiarmid discovered that plastics could conduct electricity. >Application of the research is seen to be the future of information >technology. Awarded the 2000 Nobel Prize for chemistry,

Another Jock.
GLAXO FOUNDER>Edward Joseph Nathan>In 1906 he founded Glaxo, producer of the dried milk formula that >became a household name for infant health.

Yank.
First to Conquer Everest>Sir Edmund Hillary

Only because the British left him enough oxygen from their fasiled
attempt the day before.>
and for an impact on Rugby

Will give you that one>
REFEREE WITH A FLASH OF INSPIRATION>William­ Atack>William Harrington Atack of Canterbury was the first sports' referee in >the world to use a whistle to stop a game.

You forgot Pavlova.........
--
Pete Devlin
[{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]
"Mind the oranges Marlon!"
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Ferdi Greyling 14 April 2005 13:58:55 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:59:16 +0100, pete devlin
<spamtrap@secondrow­.co.uk> wrote:

<<>>>Bloody right too. How hard is it to stick the clip on your
website and>>>provide a link? We might have broad band but reliable news servers are>>>hard to come by. There's a reason for that.>>>>
In SA we don't have such a problem.>>
Yes you do. A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing and you are >demonstrating exactly that.>>


Interesting. Why do you say reliable news servers are hard to come by
in South Africa?

Maybe you have a little knowlegde of SA?



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Ferdi Greyling 14 April 2005 14:03:26 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:14:44 GMT, "MD" <mpd000nospam@hotma­il.com>
wrote:

Seven of them, hey?
Must be great living there.

Although I am prepared to bet that some of these will be disputed.

It does also seem that the stuff I have been tought and have read were
a bit different than what you were tought.

Saw a thing on Discovery channel the other day, for example, of the
Wright brothers. It seems the Yanks have the idea they did it first.
Do you think they are deluded?

Then there is that thing abou who led Hillary up Everest etc.



<<>Atomic Physicist>Ernest Rutherford>The creator of modern atomic physics and forerunner of the nuclear age, one >of the greatest scientists of the twentieth century. Awarded the Nobel Prize >in 1908.>
Man's First Powered Flight>Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902>
Internal Combustion Engine>Ernest Godward>During the 1930s he was a leading world expert on the internal combustion >engine>
DNA ENABLER>Maurice Wilkins>Nobel Prize winner in Physiology and Medicine in 1962. Research undertaken >by New Zealander Maurice Wilkins helped lead to the discovery in 1953 by >James Watson and Francis Crick of the DNA molecule structure>
CHAMPION OF AUTOMATION>Robert Dickie>RJ Dickie invented and patented the world's first stamp vending machine.>
Discover Plastic Conducts Electricity>Alan MacDiarmid discovered that plastics could conduct electricity. >Application of the research is seen to be the future of information >technology. Awarded the 2000 Nobel Prize for chemistry,>
GLAXO FOUNDER>Edward Joseph Nathan>In 1906 he founded Glaxo, producer of the dried milk formula that became a >household name for infant health.>
First to Conquer Everest>Sir Edmund Hillary>
and for an impact on Rugby>
REFEREE WITH A FLASH OF INSPIRATION>William­ Atack>William Harrington Atack of Canterbury was the first sports' referee in the >world to use a whistle to stop a game.>

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Pete Devlin 14 April 2005 23:14:46 permanent link ]
 In message <ajfs515bj33jrbcmb4­burr2q689opui13u@4ax­.com>, Ferdi Greyling
<NoSpam@tome.com> writes>Interesting.­ Why do you say reliable news servers are hard to come by >in South Africa?>
Maybe you have a little knowlegde of SA?

The issues faced by an organisation trying to run a news server anywhere
are the same. Only a buffoon would try to make it a nationalistic
subject in some kind of points scoring exercise. Unless, of course, you
mean that SA servers only carry SA groups. In that case they probably
run very smoothly because nobody else is interested. Of course you don't
mean that at all. You just don't know anything about the subject at all
and will see the correction of your wrong doings as an attack against SA
by the vicious racists as found every where else in the world.
Leave out the binaries and we'll all get along swimmingly.
--
Pete Devlin
[{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]
"Mind the oranges Marlon!"
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Md 15 April 2005 04:50:52 permanent link ]
 
"Ferdi Greyling" <NoSpam@tome.com> wrote in message
news:0los51tkfoce7m­ge82i2hiiu40h9mh7un6­@4ax.com...>
He, he...> You fall so in place!>
Precisely the reaction that was expected!!>
Only one question remains, actually: Why didn't you call me a nazi as> well?

Should I?
Or are you telling us something?


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Ferdi Greyling 15 April 2005 12:06:44 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:14:46 +0100, pete devlin
<spamtrap@secondrow­.co.uk> wrote:

<<>In message <ajfs515bj33jrbcmb4­burr2q689opui13u@4ax­.com>, Ferdi
Greyling ><NoSpam@tome.com> writes>>Interesting­. Why do you say reliable news servers are hard to come by >>in South Africa?>>
Maybe you have a little knowlegde of SA?>
The issues faced by an organisation trying to run a news server anywhere >are the same. Only a buffoon would try to make it a nationalistic >subject in some kind of points scoring exercise. Unless, of course, you >mean that SA servers only carry SA groups. In that case they probably >run very smoothly because nobody else is interested. Of course you don't >mean that at all. You just don't know anything about the subject at all >and will see the correction of your wrong doings as an attack against SA >by the vicious racists as found every where else in the world.>Leave out the binaries and we'll all get along swimmingly.>>


Talking about buffoons.
Let's recap:


Statement no 1.:
<<>>>Bloody right too. How hard is it to stick the clip on your
website and>>>provide a link? We might have broad band but reliable news servers are>>>hard to come by. There's a reason for that.>>

Statement no 2: (And my posting): <<>In SA we don't have such a
problem.>>

Statement no 3 (YOU) : <<Yes you do. A little knowledge is a very
dangerous thing and you are demonstrating exactly that.>>

To which I say: <<nteresting. Why do you say reliable news servers
are hard to come by in South Africa?>>

In reaction to which you fly into a rant about nationlism etc.
The point is, you made a statement which was untrue - because you have
no knowledge of the subject.

In SA reliable news servers are actually not hard to come by because
the national Telecom monopoly offers it on it's national backbone
(SAIX)

Yo
The Question still stands: Why do you say reliable news servers are
hard to come by in SA?


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