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Re: the second coming

Brad Anton 8 April 2005 06:34:55
 
"Johnny Chis" <jchis@penrithcity.­nsw.gov.au> wrote in message
news:1112926460.125­556.157060@g14g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..> Yes boys and girls,> Lomu has signed on for North Harbour in the NPC for his first class> return (giggly girly testimonials not included).>
I'm quite pleased with the idea of him making a successful return to> rugby, I'd even like to see him in all black again.> Johnny

Get real Chris. Lomu would be made to look a fool. My increasing cynicism
towards the world also tells me that North Harbour are not overly concerned
with Lomu's ability to help the club win games but more to raise its own
profile through publicity stunts.
Brad


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Brad Anton 8 April 2005 06:35:45 permanent link ]
 
"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message
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"Johnny Chis" <jchis@penrithcity.­nsw.gov.au> wrote in message> news:1112926460.125­556.157060@g14g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..> > Yes boys and girls,> > Lomu has signed on for North Harbour in the NPC for his first class> > return (giggly girly testimonials not included).> >
I'm quite pleased with the idea of him making a successful return to> > rugby, I'd even like to see him in all black again.> > Johnny>
Get real Chris. Lomu would be made to look a fool. My increasing cynicism> towards the world also tells me that North Harbour are not overly
concerned> with Lomu's ability to help the club win games but more to raise its own> profile through publicity stunts.> Brad>
I meant Johnny.
Brad


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Reprobate 8 April 2005 07:05:15 permanent link ]
 gee brad, youre a real nice guy...

the world needs more people like you..


"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message
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"Johnny Chis" <jchis@penrithcity.­nsw.gov.au> wrote in message> news:1112926460.125­556.157060@g14g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..>> Yes boys and girls,>> Lomu has signed on for North Harbour in the NPC for his first class>> return (giggly girly testimonials not included).>>
I'm quite pleased with the idea of him making a successful return to>> rugby, I'd even like to see him in all black again.>> Johnny>
Get real Chris. Lomu would be made to look a fool. My increasing cynicism> towards the world also tells me that North Harbour are not overly > concerned> with Lomu's ability to help the club win games but more to raise its own> profile through publicity stunts.> Brad>


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Brad Anton 8 April 2005 07:32:35 permanent link ]
 
"reprobate" <reprobate@yahaha.c­om> wrote in message
news:0Cm5e.16950$1S­4.1712935@news.xtra.­co.nz...> gee brad, youre a real nice guy...>
the world needs more people like you..>
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Do you think Lomu has the potential
to make it back as an AB? He was already struggling to hold his spot on the
team before his necrotic kidney syndrome was confirmed, most people just
blamed it on his inability to defend, turn or catch a ball.
Brad


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Reprobate 8 April 2005 09:14:41 permanent link ]
 yes, may have been a bit harsh...

Kip though? now that's just fucking cruel.> Brad>


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Brad Anton 8 April 2005 09:15:09 permanent link ]
 
"Johnny Chis" <jchis@penrithcity.­nsw.gov.au> wrote in message
news:1112935101.263­836.93540@f14g2000cw­b.googlegroups.com..­.> I'm in no danger of becoming a Kiwi selector, but as far as I can see> Lomu in the game is a good thing. Perhaps he suffered from too much> hype but he's the sort of player that you don't need to be a kiwi to> enjoy watching.>
You mention his inability to "defend, turn or catch a ball", I'd argue> with you, he didn't stand out in those areas like he did when he was on> the attack, but he wasn't exactly a gaping hole in defence.>
When you talk about the days before his nephrotic syndrome was> confirmed, you mean before the public knew, and perhaps before he> himself knew what it was. It was still there and meant he needed more> recovery time, suffered lethargy and as a result poor concentration.> If all that is behind him then he could be (potentially) better than he> ever was. Sure he's a few years older now, but not so old that his body> is shot. On the positive side he's been injury free for the past few> years. It doesn't matter that it's been because he's been in bed for> two years, that's two years less rugby damage.> It's been said that 35 is the new 30 in rugby so Lomu's got a few km> left. Perhaps he might need to rethink his position. I believe he was a> flanker in the lower grades at one time. Whatever he does I think (and> hope) it will be more than just publicity for the NPC.>
Johnny (call me chris call me ugly, but don't call me late for dinner)>
Lomu is as close as humanly possible to being 'bigger than the game': If
you were to ask everyone in the world to name one rugby player, the name
Lomu would, likely as not, be mentioned more than any other. His rampaging
runs and destruction of would-be tacklers are burned into the memories of
many and despite playing a very major role in the dismantling of the English
defence on a number of occasions, Poms, in general, love the guy. Such is
the nature of Lomu. How can anyone deny that the signing of such a
'celebrity' has a publicity-related component to it?
Brad


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Neilsons 8 April 2005 13:40:09 permanent link ]
 
"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message
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"reprobate" <reprobate@yahaha.c­om> wrote in message> news:0Cm5e.16950$1S­4.1712935@news.xtra.­co.nz...>> gee brad, youre a real nice guy...>>
the world needs more people like you..>>
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Do you think Lomu has the > potential> to make it back as an AB? He was already struggling to hold his spot on > the> team before his necrotic kidney syndrome was confirmed, most people just> blamed it on his inability to defend, turn or catch a ball.> Brad>
He was diagnosed in 1995 and it hindered his ability to train and recover
from before that time.

cheers, aMtt


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Mg © 8 April 2005 18:15:10 permanent link ]
 "Neilsons" <matt.neilson@parad­ise.net.nz> wrote in message
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"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message > news:4255fa22$1@web­be.jcu.edu.au...>>
"reprobate" <reprobate@yahaha.c­om> wrote in message>> news:0Cm5e.16950$1S­4.1712935@news.xtra.­co.nz...>>> gee brad, youre a real nice guy...>>>
the world needs more people like you..>>>
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Do you think Lomu has the >> potential>> to make it back as an AB? He was already struggling to hold his spot on >> the>> team before his necrotic kidney syndrome was confirmed, most people just>> blamed it on his inability to defend, turn or catch a ball.>> Brad>>
He was diagnosed in 1995 and it hindered his ability to train and recover > from before that time.

I saw a doco last year on Foxtel and they reckon he was never 100% match
fit, barely 80%. He has been quoted on numerous occasions that he "feels
better than ever" and I think he will at least make S12. Black I dunno, but
it would be a sight!!

Good luck to him.


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Yojimbo 8 April 2005 18:57:27 permanent link ]
 
"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message
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"reprobate" <reprobate@yahaha.c­om> wrote in message> news:0Cm5e.16950$1S­4.1712935@news.xtra.­co.nz...>> gee brad, youre a real nice guy...>>
the world needs more people like you..>>
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Do you think Lomu has the > potential> to make it back as an AB?

He didn't sign a contract with the ABs, he made a deal with North Harbour.
Even on this side of the planet that's a pretty huge difference.
He was already struggling to hold his spot on the> team before his necrotic kidney syndrome was confirmed, most people just> blamed it on his inability to defend, turn or catch a ball.> Brad>


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Yojimbo 8 April 2005 19:10:53 permanent link ]
 
"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message
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How can anyone deny that the signing of such a> 'celebrity' has a publicity-related component to it?

Blowhard cynics said the exact same thing up here about Lemieux, that the
only reason he returned to the ice was because he was the owner of the team
and needed a stunt to boost lagging season ticket sales. Except that all he
did was come back and average nearly 2 points a game that season -- which
was the league's highest -- and captain Canada to a gold medal at the
Olympics. Nah, can't be done, it's all hype. Whatever. Step into the shoes
of an athletic legend and tell me you're only doing it for publicity.
Whatever North Harbour's reasons are, be it accidental or by design, it's
immaterial. The only motivation Lomu needs is his OWN motivation. He says he
loves the game. He says he was born to play this game. He lives for rugby.
Give the guy a chance. He stands the risk of humiliating himself and casting
the same sort of shadow over his career that Willie Mays did in baseball his
last couple seasons when his knees were shot and he could barely run let
alone hit, but both did more in their respective sports than anybody in this
newsgroup. Lomu wants to play, he deserves his shot, he risks embarrassing
himself, but at the end of the day whatever the result people will respect
him because HE TRIED.


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Rick Boyd 9 April 2005 03:55:28 permanent link ]
 Johnny Chis wrote:> I'm in no danger of becoming a Kiwi selector, but as far as I can see> Lomu in the game is a good thing. Perhaps he suffered from too much> hype but he's the sort of player that you don't need to be a kiwi to> enjoy watching.>
You mention his inability to "defend, turn or catch a ball", I'd argue> with you, he didn't stand out in those areas like he did when he was on> the attack, but he wasn't exactly a gaping hole in defence.

Ha! There goes your credibility Johnny. In defence, Lomu was the most
perfect turnstile known to science. In his entire career I saw him do
precisely one tackle that was adequate for a six foot five eighteen
stone player. The vast majority of his tackles were embarrassing jersey
pulls and arm-flapping shepherds over the sideline.

Lomu is not a rugby all rounder. He can run, he can swerve, he can fend,
he has amazing balance, acceleration and he's fucking hard to tackle.

But his positional skills are crap, his defence is not existant, his
team play is poor but at least that was improving, his back up and
support operates for ten minutes of the 80, his work rate is low and if
you take a close look at tries conceded when he was playing for the All
Blacks (including the 1999 semi final v France, and the crappy so-called
greatest game of the noughties v Australia in 2001) Lomu's pathetic
attempts at defence were responsbile for the Lions share of them.

I wish the big guy well in returning to rugby and good health, but I
don't want him back in the All Blacks. Ever.

-- rick boyd
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Paul Kendall 9 April 2005 06:13:21 permanent link ]
 In article "Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote:
True, the guy is legend of NZ rugby and has contibuted> hugely to the game off the field too (promos, charity etc) but I stand by my> comment that I think NH have ulterior motives for his current signing.

Of course they do! Replacing the Rico and Hosea Gear would be near the
top of their list. One of the reasons Lomu choose NH ahead of Auckland,
C-M and Wellington was because could remain in Auckland to be near his
GP (John Mayhew - a NH man himself) and was honest enough to realise
that Auckland had 2 current AB wings in their team and he would struggle
to make the starting XV. I don't think Lomu will play for the ABs again
but good on the big guy for following his dream.

--
Paul
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Rick Boyd 9 April 2005 10:09:41 permanent link ]
 Johnny Chis wrote:> Non winger? Why I'll have you know I played a game on the wing this> season. And as a forward (lock who wishes he was a flanker) I'm now> convinced I know all there is to know about the position and I refuse> to accept any form of logical argument you might put up to contradict> this delusion.

I bet you were as crap a winger as I was a lock in 1982 when we had no
locks and didn't want to waste perfectly good flankers for the job, so
the tallest spare back and the tallest spare prop did the job.

Jesus it was hard work. So much effort for so little result.

-- rick boyd
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Yojimbo 9 April 2005 18:21:46 permanent link ]
 
"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message
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As for the implication that I want Lomu to fail, this simply tells me> a lot more about your inferencing skills than it does your abilty to> follow a thread about a club's marketing motives.

You can re-arrange the deck chairs and tap dance on the head of a pin, but
it wasn't me who said this:

"Lomu would be made to look a fool."

Thanks for the interest.


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Yojimbo 9 April 2005 18:32:49 permanent link ]
 
"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message
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For us antipodeans, perhaps a more fitting example than Mario Lemieux> of beating a life-threatening disease and making a comeback to common> appreciation would be Delta Goodrem - she fought Hodgkin's Disease,> which is also CANCER of the lymphatic system. She also had to go> through CHEMOTHERAPY. She has now successfully re-reached her> previously attained heights of musical mediocrity ( and she has also> shagged the Poo)

I think I'm starting to get it this mysterious sage downunder wisdom.

One needn't compare a recovering high-profile elite athlete that plays a
contact sport to another recovering high-profile elite athlete that plays a
contact sport, since a more fitting example is comparing a recovering
high-profile elite athlete that plays a contact sport to ... a lame actress
and singer.

Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the interest.


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Yojimbo 10 April 2005 19:10:42 permanent link ]
 
"Brad Anton" <ant_on_knee@yahoo.­com> wrote in message
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Well? It's just that cancer is rather an indiscriminate foe - and the> fact that I've never heard of Mario Lemieux.

Oh jeebus.

Lemieux is one of the greatest hockey players in the history of the NHL, if
not THE greatest. The Michael Jordan of ice hockey, the
equal-if-not-superi­or to Wayne Gretzky. Superstar player *and* owner of the
Pittsburgh Penguins. Considered one of the greatest players of all time,
Lemieux re-entered the NHL in December, 2000 after a 3-1/2-year retirement
(CANCER), during which time he became owner of the Penguins franchise. One
of the most decorated NHL players, Lemieux has won the Art Ross Trophy as
the NHL's leading scorer six times, been named NHL First All-Star team five
times and topped the 100 point mark in a season 10 times. Led Penguins to
their two Stanley Cup titles. Was named Calder Trophy winner in 1984. A
prime-time playoff performer, Lemieux entered the 2001 playoffs with 155
points (70+85) in 89 games. Captained Canada to Gold Medal at 2002 Olympic
Games and World Cup Championship 2004.

http://en.wikipedia­.org/wiki/Mario_Lemi­eux


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Matua 11 April 2005 13:19:53 permanent link ]
 
"rick boyd" <boyd@comswest.net.­au> wrote in message
news:42571a97$1@quo­kka.wn.com.au...> Johnny Chis wrote:>> I'm in no danger of becoming a Kiwi selector, but as far as I can see>> Lomu in the game is a good thing. Perhaps he suffered from too much>> hype but he's the sort of player that you don't need to be a kiwi to>> enjoy watching.>>
You mention his inability to "defend, turn or catch a ball", I'd argue>> with you, he didn't stand out in those areas like he did when he was on>> the attack, but he wasn't exactly a gaping hole in defence.>
Ha! There goes your credibility Johnny. In defence, Lomu was the most > perfect turnstile known to science. In his entire career I saw him do > precisely one tackle that was adequate for a six foot five eighteen stone > player. The vast majority of his tackles were embarrassing jersey pulls > and arm-flapping shepherds over the sideline.>
Lomu is not a rugby all rounder. He can run, he can swerve, he can fend, > he has amazing balance, acceleration and he's fucking hard to tackle.>
But his positional skills are crap, his defence is not existant, his team > play is poor but at least that was improving, his back up and support > operates for ten minutes of the 80, his work rate is low and if you take a > close look at tries conceded when he was playing for the All Blacks > (including the 1999 semi final v France, and the crappy so-called greatest > game of the noughties v Australia in 2001) Lomu's pathetic attempts at > defence were responsbile for the Lions share of them.>
I wish the big guy well in returning to rugby and good health, but I don't > want him back in the All Blacks. Ever.>
-- rick boyd

K'noath Rick, he cost us more points than he gave.
I like the big fella but as for an All Black, a big NO.

Matua.


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Matua 11 April 2005 13:21:52 permanent link ]
 
"Matua" <Matua@cherbro.com.­au> wrote in message
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"rick boyd" <boyd@comswest.net.­au> wrote in message > news:42571a97$1@quo­kka.wn.com.au...>> Johnny Chis wrote:>>> I'm in no danger of becoming a Kiwi selector, but as far as I can see>>> Lomu in the game is a good thing. Perhaps he suffered from too much>>> hype but he's the sort of player that you don't need to be a kiwi to>>> enjoy watching.>>>
You mention his inability to "defend, turn or catch a ball", I'd argue>>> with you, he didn't stand out in those areas like he did when he was on>>> the attack, but he wasn't exactly a gaping hole in defence.>>
Ha! There goes your credibility Johnny. In defence, Lomu was the most >> perfect turnstile known to science. In his entire career I saw him do >> precisely one tackle that was adequate for a six foot five eighteen stone >> player. The vast majority of his tackles were embarrassing jersey pulls >> and arm-flapping shepherds over the sideline.>>
Lomu is not a rugby all rounder. He can run, he can swerve, he can fend, >> he has amazing balance, acceleration and he's fucking hard to tackle.>>
But his positional skills are crap, his defence is not existant, his team >> play is poor but at least that was improving, his back up and support >> operates for ten minutes of the 80, his work rate is low and if you take >> a close look at tries conceded when he was playing for the All Blacks >> (including the 1999 semi final v France, and the crappy so-called >> greatest game of the noughties v Australia in 2001) Lomu's pathetic >> attempts at defence were responsbile for the Lions share of them.>>
I wish the big guy well in returning to rugby and good health, but I >> don't want him back in the All Blacks. Ever.>>
-- rick boyd>
K'noath Rick, he cost us more points than he gave.> I like the big fella but as for an All Black, a big NO.>
Matua.>
Ah that's "scored"not gave.


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Brad Anton 12 April 2005 02:49:07 permanent link ]
 
"yojimbo" <thomaspbyers@hotma­il.com> wrote in message
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Rick, get a grasp. The point isn't about a hockey player. The point I'm> making -- or at least trying to make for those with reading
comprehension -- > is that athletes *can* recover from debilitating injuries and diseases,
even> when cynics say they can't, or dismiss the attempted comeback as simply a> publicity stunt. Lomu may fail, but if he's motivated to play for the
right> reasons, I say all the power to him. It does get tiring having to hold the> hands of babies who can't see the obvious.>
Look, sanctimonius hero-worship is not my strong point, just as balanced
consideration of the rationale behind a certain decision is not yours, so I
will dispense with any attempt to dampen your ardour for Lomu and Mario
Whatsisname. My point ( once again ) is NOT that I want Lomu to fail but
that positive publicity for North Harbour would have been a substantial
component of the decision to sign him, regardless of his success or failure.
Brad


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Sean Byrne 12 April 2005 18:34:43 permanent link ]
 Johnny Chis wrote:
Sean Byrne wrote:>> Basketball is a 'contact' sport?
Well, you wouldn't wear glasses.

I presume you think swimming is a contact sport too?

Later,
Sean

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Sean Byrne 13 April 2005 19:50:36 permanent link ]
 Johnny Chis wrote:
Yes this whole comparison to unrelated sports is getting freaky. Water> Polo, lacrosse?> What are you thinking? I'm calling your lacrosse and raising you dwarf> throwing.


Next someone will be rating Lomu's chances of an All Black birth> against the lions based on Hulk Hogan's return to wrestling. How can a> man his age take all that 'real' physical contact? If he can do it> Lomu can!>
Having played basketball myself i can safely say that it has 'a> little' less contact than Rugby </sarcasm>




Johnny>
William A. T. Clark wrote:>> > >> Basketball is a 'contact' sport?>> >
Let me assure you it is a VERY physical encounter,>> >
Well, it isn't SUPPOSED to be

A contact sport is one in which there is SUPPOSED to be contact.

One could say > much>> the same for other sports, like lacrosse, and water polo, for> example,>> that are not intended to be, but in reality are contact sports.

What about cricket? I've seen batsmen and fielders collide...

Later,
Sean

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Muz 14 April 2005 09:52:45 permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-08 14:14:20 +1200, "Johnny Chis"
<jchis@penrithcity.­nsw.gov.au> said:
Yes boys and girls,> Lomu has signed on for North Harbour in the NPC for his first class> return (giggly girly testimonials not included).>
I'm quite pleased with the idea of him making a successful return to> rugby, I'd even like to see him in all black again. Johnny

Who is he going to replace? Rokocoko?? I think Mr J Lomu better start
getting real ... Muz

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