Jamie Noon and Mark Cueto have risen to the occasion. I particularly look forward to Noon partnering Tindall - great combination that would make.
Harry Ellis is coming along nicely though this is one position - and a key one at that - where we seem to be lacking.
Martin Corry has taken his long-awaited chance and might, just might, be the captain England desperately need. Let's face it, Wilkinson isn't made for that stuff and Jason Robinson is a nice bloke but...
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, certainly not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they pushed everyone very close.
Uncle Dave wrote:> Jamie Noon and Mark Cueto have risen to the occasion. I particularly look> forward to Noon partnering Tindall - great combination that would make.>
Harry Ellis is coming along nicely though this is one position - and a key> one at that - where we seem to be lacking.>
Martin Corry has taken his long-awaited chance and might, just might, be the> captain England desperately need. Let's face it, Wilkinson isn't made for> that stuff and Jason Robinson is a nice bloke but...>
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, certainly> not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson> (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they> pushed everyone very close.>
England were absolutely fantastic vs. Italy and Scotland. Brilliant at times. Forwards and backs linking well. Scored lots of excellent tries. Reminded me of the salad days of 2003. Unfortunately they just couldn't beat Wales, Ireland or France, but who's thinking of that this morning. The Calcutta Cup is in the trophy room for one more year.
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message news:3a5c97F66t8lnU1@individual.net...> Jamie Noon and Mark Cueto have risen to the occasion. I particularly look> forward to Noon partnering Tindall - great combination that would make.>
Harry Ellis is coming along nicely though this is one position - and a key> one at that - where we seem to be lacking.>
Martin Corry has taken his long-awaited chance and might, just might, be > the> captain England desperately need. Let's face it, Wilkinson isn't made for> that stuff and Jason Robinson is a nice bloke but...>
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, > certainly> not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson> (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they> pushed everyone very close.>
Cheers>
Yep, it just wasn't our 'day'. But tbh, I don't think this 6N was anyone's day. Wales must be wondering what next. Ireland have folded as we knew them. Only France and England seem to be making progress with their current squads. Off the back of this I think the Lions will be a balls up. We'll still win, the ABs are the weakest SH side at the moment, we just won't do it as well as we should.
"MinnyMotty" <MinnyMotty@bbc.tv> wrote in message news:aef%d.169$JK1.18893@news20.bellglobal.com...> Uncle Dave wrote:>> Jamie Noon and Mark Cueto have risen to the occasion. I particularly >> look>> forward to Noon partnering Tindall - great combination that would make.>>
Harry Ellis is coming along nicely though this is one position - and a >> key>> one at that - where we seem to be lacking.>>
Martin Corry has taken his long-awaited chance and might, just might, be >> the>> captain England desperately need. Let's face it, Wilkinson isn't made >> for>> that stuff and Jason Robinson is a nice bloke but...>>
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, >> certainly>> not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson>> (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they>> pushed everyone very close.>>
England were absolutely fantastic vs. Italy and Scotland. Brilliant at > times. Forwards and backs linking well. Scored lots of excellent tries. > Reminded me of the salad days of 2003. Unfortunately they just couldn't > beat Wales, Ireland or France, but who's thinking of that this morning. > The Calcutta Cup is in the trophy room for one more year.
You've no idea how important that is. /looks out of window at smog ridden Glasgow......
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message news:3a5c97F66t8lnU1@individual.net...
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, > certainly> not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson> (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they> pushed everyone very close.
According to my arithmetic, England are nearer the bottom than the top. Fourth place isn't near. You jwere ust a little bit better than Scotland and Italy. How about having your own little Trinations ? South Africa could come up here and we could have our Five Nations Tournament back just as it should be.
"Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:423d8830$0$32603$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...>
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message> news:3a5c97F66t8lnU1@individual.net...>
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all,> > certainly> > not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson> > (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they> > pushed everyone very close.>
According to my arithmetic, England are nearer the bottom than the top.> Fourth place isn't near. You jwere ust a little bit better than Scotland
Italy.
I think even you know that he meant England pushed everyone close in the individual matches - ie 2 points behind Wales, 1 behind France. Hope the hangover's not too bad.
"Colin Reed" <colin-reed@no-spam.lineone.net> wrote in message news:3a5hinF67hk51U1@individual.net...
I think even you know that he meant England pushed everyone close in the> individual matches - ie 2 points behind Wales, 1 behind France.> Hope the hangover's not too bad.
Oh I don't think Nigel drinks. He's chapel you see - can't you tell from all that bitterness and hatred? Fire and brrrrrrimmstone for him on a Sunday morning isn't it?
Nigel Evans wrote:> "Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message > news:3a5c97F66t8lnU1@individual.net...>
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, >>certainly>>not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson>>(one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they>>pushed everyone very close.>
According to my arithmetic, England are nearer the bottom than the top. > Fourth place isn't near. You jwere ust a little bit better than Scotland and > Italy. How about having your own little Trinations ? South Africa could come > up here and we could have our Five Nations Tournament back just as it should > be.
I knew your post would be along these lines.
Nige - there is such a thing as grace in victory as well as in losing. One good season for wales and a bad one for engalnd and you write them off, how very short your memeory is.
"Mike" <no.reply@here.com> wrote in message news:Jug%d.420$gL2.59@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
I knew your post would be along these lines.>
Nige - there is such a thing as grace in victory as well as in losing. One > good season for wales and a bad one for engalnd and you write them off, > how very short your memeory is.>
Mike
I knew my post "would be along these lines". I wrote them off last September and they will remain written off for many years to come. We, in Wales, have had a very relaxing Sunday. All is well with our world. How is your world ? Not so good ? Tough ! You should go down on your knees and thank God for Italy. I have just opened a box of chocolates. I am going to sit down and eat them all, and I'm going to gloat until the football comes on the TV. Then, I shall take my dog for his constitutional and seek out English hill walkers to harangue. You wouldn't believe just how many English people I'm going to bump into in the next few days. No such thing as a killfile for the walking ! PS If the guy I met in Membury services is reading this, I told you so, you English git !!!
Martyn Winters 20 March 2005 19:49:26 [ permanent link ]
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message news:3a5c97F66t8lnU1@individual.net...
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, > certainly> not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson> (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they> pushed everyone very close.
I kind of agree: England aren't that far off the pace. I've always maintained that the difference between success and failure is tiny these days. A few adjustments and a bit of confidence can make a lot of difference.
"Martyn Winters" <zebedee.groundstaff@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:aYg%d.417$084.397@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...>
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message > news:3a5c97F66t8lnU1@individual.net...>
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, >> certainly>> not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson>> (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they>> pushed everyone very close.>
I kind of agree: England aren't that far off the pace. I've always > maintained that the difference between success and failure is tiny these > days. A few adjustments and a bit of confidence can make a lot of > difference.>
We should start by adjusting Charlie Hodgson, putting a jihad out on O'Kaplan, and a ban on French beef, for no real reason......
Martyn Winters 20 March 2005 21:56:22 [ permanent link ]
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message news:Bp6dndjWceikAKDfRVnyhg@giganews.com...
And you Nigel are the reason so many of us English have so little time for > the Welsh...mean minded, spiteful little bigots.> You won a tournament. That's ONE in 27 years.
It doesn't matter that you are factually incorrect about winning only one tournament in 27 years. Neither does it matter that your comments have consistently revealed you to be a bigot on a par with anyone posting in this newsgroup. It matters even less that your predictions have been consistently wide of the mark.
What does matter is that Wales won the most recent tournament. Moreover, we won it with style.
"Martyn Winters" <zebedee.groundstaff@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:aPi%d.666$gL2.591@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...>
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message > news:Bp6dndjWceikAKDfRVnyhg@giganews.com...>
And you Nigel are the reason so many of us English have so little time >> for the Welsh...mean minded, spiteful little bigots.>> You won a tournament. That's ONE in 27 years.>
It doesn't matter that you are factually incorrect about winning only one > tournament in 27 years. Neither does it matter that your comments have > consistently revealed you to be a bigot on a par with anyone posting in > this newsgroup. It matters even less that your predictions have been > consistently wide of the mark.>
What does matter is that Wales won the most recent tournament. Moreover, > we won it with style.>
My comments here? Bloody hell, I RARELY comment here, I just read the utter bollocks you men write week in, week out No one is taking anything away from Wales, far from it. The score for the Irish was flattering. But as proud as you are of being Welsh, step back and allow ME to be proud of being English...no wait...when YOU do it, you are proud...when I do it, I am arrogant. And you too are another bigot who is going off to the killfile. I've spend more time watching your less than perfect Welsh rugby team play in Wales over the five years I've lived here than most of the supporters that swamped Cardiff yesterday. I saw Swansea people falling out with Cardiff people in Cowbridge Road which isn't even in the City. I watched other English fans put on a red shirt and join the throng in the City and cheer themselves hoarse as the Welsh trounced the Irish. Don't speak to me about being a bigot you rude little man. Did you cheer England on against Australia or did you wear your t-shirt stating... I support Wales and any team that beats England. So much for the love of the game...
And don't bother replying because as an afterthought, I'm putting you on ignore the same as Nigel, because I AM English and ARROGANT enough to think that *I* have the right to choose to spend my mailing time around people I like and respect and you don't fit into either bracket. Enjoy the win...come back in four years when you have a cupboard full of trophies
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message news:zpednYzpWN27JqDfRVnyjw@giganews.com...>
"Martyn Winters" <zebedee.groundstaff@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:aPi%d.666$gL2.591@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...>>
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message >> news:Bp6dndjWceikAKDfRVnyhg@giganews.com...>>
And you Nigel are the reason so many of us English have so little time >>> for the Welsh...mean minded, spiteful little bigots.>>> You won a tournament. That's ONE in 27 years.>>
It doesn't matter that you are factually incorrect about winning only one >> tournament in 27 years. Neither does it matter that your comments have >> consistently revealed you to be a bigot on a par with anyone posting in >> this newsgroup. It matters even less that your predictions have been >> consistently wide of the mark.>>
What does matter is that Wales won the most recent tournament. Moreover, >> we won it with style.>>
My comments here?> Bloody hell, I RARELY comment here, I just read the utter bollocks you men > write week in, week out> No one is taking anything away from Wales, far from it. The score for the > Irish was flattering.> But as proud as you are of being Welsh, step back and allow ME to be proud > of being English...no wait...when YOU do it, you are proud...when I do it, > I am arrogant. And you too are another bigot who is going off to the > killfile.> I've spend more time watching your less than perfect Welsh rugby team play > in Wales over the five years I've lived here than most of the supporters > that swamped Cardiff yesterday.> I saw Swansea people falling out with Cardiff people in Cowbridge Road > which isn't even in the City. I watched other English fans put on a red > shirt and join the throng in the City and cheer themselves hoarse as the > Welsh trounced the Irish. Don't speak to me about being a bigot you rude > little man.> Did you cheer England on against Australia or did you wear your t-shirt > stating... I support Wales and any team that beats England.> So much for the love of the game...>
And don't bother replying because as an afterthought, I'm putting you on > ignore the same as Nigel, because I AM English and ARROGANT enough to > think that *I* have the right to choose to spend my mailing time around > people I like and respect and you don't fit into either bracket.> Enjoy the win...come back in four years when you have a cupboard full of > trophies>
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:06 -0000, "Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote:
"Martyn Winters" <zebedee.groundstaff@ntlworld.com> wrote in message >news:aPi%d.666$gL2.591@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...>>
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message >> news:Bp6dndjWceikAKDfRVnyhg@giganews.com...>>
And you Nigel are the reason so many of us English have so little time >>> for the Welsh...mean minded, spiteful little bigots.>>> You won a tournament. That's ONE in 27 years.>>
It doesn't matter that you are factually incorrect about winning only one >> tournament in 27 years. Neither does it matter that your comments have >> consistently revealed you to be a bigot on a par with anyone posting in >> this newsgroup. It matters even less that your predictions have been >> consistently wide of the mark.>>
What does matter is that Wales won the most recent tournament. Moreover, >> we won it with style.>>
My comments here?>Bloody hell, I RARELY comment here, I just read the utter bollocks you men >write week in, week out>No one is taking anything away from Wales, far from it. The score for the >Irish was flattering.>But as proud as you are of being Welsh, step back and allow ME to be proud >of being English...no wait...when YOU do it, you are proud...when I do it, I >am arrogant. And you too are another bigot who is going off to the killfile.>I've spend more time watching your less than perfect Welsh rugby team play >in Wales over the five years I've lived here than most of the supporters >that swamped Cardiff yesterday.>I saw Swansea people falling out with Cardiff people in Cowbridge Road which >isn't even in the City. I watched other English fans put on a red shirt and >join the throng in the City and cheer themselves hoarse as the Welsh >trounced the Irish. Don't speak to me about being a bigot you rude little >man.>Did you cheer England on against Australia or did you wear your t-shirt >stating... I support Wales and any team that beats England.>So much for the love of the game...>
And don't bother replying because as an afterthought, I'm putting you on >ignore the same as Nigel, because I AM English and ARROGANT enough to think >that *I* have the right to choose to spend my mailing time around people I >like and respect and you don't fit into either bracket.>Enjoy the win...come back in four years when you have a cupboard full of >trophies>
"Martyn Winters" <zebedee.groundstaff@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:aYg%d.417$084.397@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...>
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message > news:3a5c97F66t8lnU1@individual.net...>
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, >> certainly>> not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson>> (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they>> pushed everyone very close.>
I kind of agree: England aren't that far off the pace. I've always > maintained that the difference between success and failure is tiny these > days. A few adjustments and a bit of confidence can make a lot of > difference.
I agree with the "few adjustments" bit. Do you recall Wales targeting the boy Tait at Cardiff ? If a "few adjustments" had been made, and Tait ignored, Wales could have taken advantage of massive overlaps and scored three tries. This would have amounted to a similar onslaught which was inflicted upon the Scottish. Nobody who saw the Wales v England game can say that Wales were not worthy winners. Italy and Scotland were blown away and Ireland never looked like having a chance of winning. France had the best chance of beating Wales but despite being in front at half time, superb defence and a lot of guts and determination saw Wales grind them down to a defeat which the French, themselves, regard as one of their most huumiliating in years. So, what I am saying is that Wales have been clearly the best team. No amount of adjustments will allow Ireland, Scotland or Italy to mount a challenge in the near future. In addition their confidence has evaporated. If the French are dull enough to stick with Laporte, Wales will win easily at Cardiff next year. Unfortunately for us, I believe he will have the chop very soon. England could rebuild if Wilkinson returned to fitness. He could be relied on to kick goals. If, however, he goes on the Lions tour, they run the risk of losing him forever. If England do not have a reliable kicker they will have many missed penalties and the other teams will commit professional foul after professional foul against them. It would appear that next year's tournament hinges on the Wales v France game.
"DaveyWavey" <davey.wavey@none.com> wrote in message news:35gr31p5fqmsiqs2i6msfh3vntf2m0hnck@4ax.com...> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:06 -0000, "Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote:>
"Martyn Winters" <zebedee.groundstaff@ntlworld.com> wrote in message>>news:aPi%d.666$gL2.591@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...>>>
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message>>> news:Bp6dndjWceikAKDfRVnyhg@giganews.com...>>>
And you Nigel are the reason so many of us English have so little time>>>> for the Welsh...mean minded, spiteful little bigots.>>>> You won a tournament. That's ONE in 27 years.>>>
It doesn't matter that you are factually incorrect about winning only >>> one>>> tournament in 27 years. Neither does it matter that your comments have>>> consistently revealed you to be a bigot on a par with anyone posting in>>> this newsgroup. It matters even less that your predictions have been>>> consistently wide of the mark.>>>
What does matter is that Wales won the most recent tournament. Moreover,>>> we won it with style.>>>
My comments here?>>Bloody hell, I RARELY comment here, I just read the utter bollocks you men>>write week in, week out>>No one is taking anything away from Wales, far from it. The score for the>>Irish was flattering.>>But as proud as you are of being Welsh, step back and allow ME to be proud>>of being English...no wait...when YOU do it, you are proud...when I do it, >>I>>am arrogant. And you too are another bigot who is going off to the >>killfile.>>I've spend more time watching your less than perfect Welsh rugby team play>>in Wales over the five years I've lived here than most of the supporters>>that swamped Cardiff yesterday.>>I saw Swansea people falling out with Cardiff people in Cowbridge Road >>which>>isn't even in the City. I watched other English fans put on a red shirt >>and>>join the throng in the City and cheer themselves hoarse as the Welsh>>trounced the Irish. Don't speak to me about being a bigot you rude little>>man.>>Did you cheer England on against Australia or did you wear your t-shirt>>stating... I support Wales and any team that beats England.>>So much for the love of the game...>>
And don't bother replying because as an afterthought, I'm putting you on>>ignore the same as Nigel, because I AM English and ARROGANT enough to >>think>>that *I* have the right to choose to spend my mailing time around people I>>like and respect and you don't fit into either bracket.>>Enjoy the win...come back in four years when you have a cupboard full of>>trophies>>
On the blob.>
Which would be YOUR ignorant response wouldn't it? Can't stand a woman ranting without her bleeding half to death? Remember mate...you should live in fear of a creature that can bleed for three days a month and NOT die.
Nigel Evans wrote:> "Martyn Winters" <zebedee.groundstaff@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:aYg%d.417$084.397@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...>
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message >>news:3a5c97F66t8lnU1@individual.net...>>
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, >>>certainly>>>not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson>>>(one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they>>>pushed everyone very close.>>
I kind of agree: England aren't that far off the pace. I've always >>maintained that the difference between success and failure is tiny these >>days. A few adjustments and a bit of confidence can make a lot of >>difference.>
I agree with the "few adjustments" bit. Do you recall Wales targeting the > boy Tait at Cardiff ? If a "few adjustments" had been made, and Tait > ignored, Wales could have taken advantage of massive overlaps and scored > three tries. This would have amounted to a similar onslaught which was > inflicted upon the Scottish.> Nobody who saw the Wales v England game can say that Wales were not worthy > winners. Italy and Scotland were blown away and Ireland never looked like > having a chance of winning. France had the best chance of beating Wales but > despite being in front at half time, superb defence and a lot of guts and > determination saw Wales grind them down to a defeat which the French, > themselves, regard as one of their most huumiliating in years.> So, what I am saying is that Wales have been clearly the best team. No > amount of adjustments will allow Ireland, Scotland or Italy to mount a > challenge in the near future. In addition their confidence has evaporated.> If the French are dull enough to stick with Laporte, Wales will win easily > at Cardiff next year. Unfortunately for us, I believe he will have the chop > very soon.> England could rebuild if Wilkinson returned to fitness. He could be relied > on to kick goals. If, however, he goes on the Lions tour, they run the risk > of losing him forever. If England do not have a reliable kicker they will > have many missed penalties and the other teams will commit professional foul > after professional foul against them.> It would appear that next year's tournament hinges on the Wales v France > game.>
Which is what happened in the 70s. The only difference this time around is that London Welsh will be relegated to NL2.
No, they are not. The 6N has often been closer than the table has made it look. The difference is that before, despite the closeness, the same two teams always emerged on top. Being fourth this year doesn't make England a crap side, any more than being fourth last year made Wales one. Last year's Wales were a team low on confidence, luck, and true leadership. Sound familiar?
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message > news:Bp6dndjWceikAKDfRVnyhg@giganews.com...>
And you Nigel are the reason so many of us English have so little time for >>the Welsh...mean minded, spiteful little bigots.>>You won a tournament. That's ONE in 27 years.>
It doesn't matter that you are factually incorrect about winning only one > tournament in 27 years. Neither does it matter that your comments have > consistently revealed you to be a bigot on a par with anyone posting in this > newsgroup. It matters even less that your predictions have been consistently > wide of the mark.>
What does matter is that Wales won the most recent tournament. Moreover, we > won it with style.
I didn't see any of that against england, and before you say it england didn't have much style or anything else that day either.
Nigel is a prat, please don't descend to his level.
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message > news:0YKdnfgNKfPZU6DfRVnyhw@giganews.com...>
Enjoy the win...come back in four years when you have a cupboard full of>>>>trophies>
We already have. This one will just have to fit in somewhere. >
They're all a bit yellow and dusty, still at least the WRFU can give them a shine now without to much embarrassment. I'd recomend Brasso for the silverware.
"Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote in message > news:Bp6dndjWceikAKDfRVnyhg@giganews.com...>
And you Nigel are the reason so many of us English have so little time for >>the Welsh...mean minded, spiteful little bigots.>
Yes, and would you believe that I predicted, less than a week ago, that I > was about to become a bigot. Funny that, isn't it ? How sad that you should > say that all Welsh people are like me ! A touch of bigotry, perhaps ?
If all welshmen were like you as a race you'd have drowned in your own bile. No nige, your not quite one in a million as there are lots like you but you are thankfully a rarity. I do hope the English people you hector over the coming weeks take a note of your name and address and pop round to see you next season. I shall needless to say be here.
My grandfather is welsh so I know that not all are like you.
Off the back of this I think the Lions will be a balls up. We'll still win, > the ABs are the weakest SH side at the moment, we just won't do it as well > as we should.
What a joke - how you come by that is beyond me seeing as the AB's were the only team to go undefeated in the NH tours at the end of last year. The Lions are going to get shat on.
In message <VVm%d.2080$oE5.666@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Mike <no.reply@here.com> writes>
pete devlin wrote:>
In message <pqudnXm-jMF_UKDfRVnyuw@giganews.com>, Fox <fox@home.com> writes>>
abuse the English and yet the minute WE rear up>> Stop it, I'm getting wood.>
Jesus your excitable,lets not start the forward pass debate (please >rick!!) or you might need tissues or on old sock.>
Sorry for being too cryptic. I have no interest in the "english are arrogant" subject. But when a foxy lady talks about being rear up and abuse, well it's just too much for me. I think I'll have to go and watch some Scottish rugby to bore my blood pressure down to normal levels. -- Pete Devlin [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}] "Mind the oranges Marlon!"
"pete devlin" <spamtrap@secondrow.co.uk> wrote in message news:me23JrB+$fPCFwex@sukmabobby.com...> In message <VVm%d.2080$oE5.666@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Mike > <no.reply@here.com> writes>>
pete devlin wrote:>>
In message <pqudnXm-jMF_UKDfRVnyuw@giganews.com>, Fox <fox@home.com> >>> writes>>>
abuse the English and yet the minute WE rear up>>> Stop it, I'm getting wood.>>
Jesus your excitable,lets not start the forward pass debate (please >>rick!!) or you might need tissues or on old sock.>>
Sorry for being too cryptic. I have no interest in the "english are > arrogant" subject. But when a foxy lady talks about being rear up and > abuse, well it's just too much for me. I think I'll have to go and watch > some Scottish rugby to bore my blood pressure down to normal levels.> -- > Pete Devlin> [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]> "Mind the oranges Marlon!"
Pete, How like you and your humour to restore a little sanity in here. Thank you
Only France and England seem to be making progress with their current
Eh?
Didge, me ole froot, what games did you watch, then? I'll grant you that both England and France have made some progress this 6N - not as much as either would like. But hell! Apart from a scrappy scambled win over England, simply by being slightly less crap than their opponents on the day, Wales have steadily improved over the entire campaign. Even Scotland played their best rugby of the 6N against England, and Italy have improved defensively and up front but still lack a cutting edge to their play. The only real disappointment has been Ireland who don't seem to have moved on at all. For me, there have been positives for all the "home" nations in the performances of certain individuals which should make Lions selection a tad interesting.
They're all a bit yellow and dusty, still at least the WRFU can give > them a shine now without to much embarrassment. I'd recomend Brasso > for the silverware.
You are obviously unaccustomed to the possession of such objetcs. It's Silvo for the silverware, Brasso for the doorknobs.
"Grunt" <oldknot@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3Cn%d.33367$3A6.20549@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...>
Only France and England seem to be making progress with their current>
Eh?>
Didge, me ole froot, what games did you watch, then? I'll grant you that> both England and France have made some progress this 6N - not as much as> either would like. But hell! Apart from a scrappy scambled win over > England,> simply by being slightly less crap than their opponents on the day, Wales> have steadily improved over the entire campaign. Even Scotland played > their> best rugby of the 6N against England, and Italy have improved defensively> and up front but still lack a cutting edge to their play. The only real> disappointment has been Ireland who don't seem to have moved on at all.> For me, there have been positives for all the "home" nations in the> performances of certain individuals which should make Lions selection a > tad> interesting.>
Grunt>
I'd say Wales were as good good 18 months ago. It's just that they were shackled by leaders on and off the field. Scotland started well and then got totally confused by Williams...
"Mike" <no.reply@here.com> wrote in message news:s1n%d.2128$oE5.1507@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
If all welshmen were like you as a race you'd have drowned in your own > bile.> No nige, your not quite one in a million as there are lots like you but > you are thankfully a rarity. I do hope the English people you hector over > the coming weeks take a note of your name and address and pop round to see > you next season. I shall needless to say be here.>
My grandfather is welsh so I know that not all are like you.
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:08:06 -0000, "Fox" <fox@home.com> wrote:
o much for the love of the game...>
And don't bother replying because as an afterthought, I'm putting you on >ignore the same as Nigel, because I AM English and ARROGANT enough to think >that *I* have the right to choose to spend my mailing time around people I >like and respect and you don't fit into either bracket.>Enjoy the win...come back in four years when you have a cupboard full of >trophies
Hey slow down here matey. Martyn and the Phantom are the sensible, considered and fair Welshman posting on this NG. Neither normally descends in the slough that the rest do. Respect these two Save your ire for the rest of them.
3) "Why don't England leave the Six Nations and join the Tri-Nations?">
Now, for five points - which *one* of the above sentences displays > "arrogance"?
OK as your obviously an educated man lets move you up a level now to 102 Stereotyping for beginners. Which one of the above defines stereotyping or is it that you attribute these phrases to every Englishman that writes in this group, or should I therefore conclude that Evan's comments are the thoughts of all welshmen.
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:49:26 GMT, "Martyn Winters" <zebedee.groundstaff@ntlworld.com> wrote:
England are not far off being top of the 6N. Not far off at all, >> certainly>> not so far as some might like to think. Even without Hill and Wilkinson>> (one the key to the forwards, the other the key to the back backs) they>> pushed everyone very close.>
I kind of agree: England aren't that far off the pace. I've always >maintained that the difference between success and failure is tiny these >days. A few adjustments and a bit of confidence can make a lot of >difference.
The Times produced the 6N stats today. Interesting reading.
If England had a competent kicker how different would the results be ?
If this were true, then one would expect the Welsh to be less popular> than the English. However, in practice, this is not what we observe. In> practice, all the rugby-playing nations dislike the English intensely,> while the Welsh don't generate anything like the same feelings.>
Out of the traditional rugby-playing nations - Scotland, Wales,> Ireland, France, Australia, NZ, SA, and Argentina - I would say that> the Scottish and the South Africans hate the English the least. And> *they* hate the English!>
So, I find it hard to take seriously what you say, given that the> English rugby team has managed to achieve the remarkable result of> being universally disliked even they were unsucessful. Usually, the> team everyone hates is a highly successful one - NY Yankees, Man U etc.> But everyone hated the English team, even in the 60s and 70s.
It's always everyone else, so I take it you HATE the english?
<My grandfather is welsh so I know that not all are like you.>
No, you know that ONE of them is not like Nigel. There has to be the exception to prove every rule. Well, of course, there's the Green Phantom, he's OK, but the rest of them are sad inbred loonies. Sorry, but it's a fact. Ask your grandad he'll tell you
<Clearly, you don't want them but, take it from me, you need them.>
I'm not sure that qualifies as a clause, Nigel. Wouldn't "- take it from me -" be better? Or did you use an on-line translation tool from the Welsh isn't it?
The Times produced the 6N stats today. Interesting reading.>
If England had a competent kicker how different would the results be ?
Marvellous. Are we all allowed to deal in what ifs?
-- "At least we went out and played in that first half. And what have France done? They've won with kicks from the 10-metre line. It's bitterly frustrating." - Andy Robinson
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message news:1111404877.829276.57570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> <Clearly, you don't want them but, take it from me, you need them.>>
I'm not sure that qualifies as a clause, Nigel. Wouldn't "- take it> from me -" be better? Or did you use an on-line translation tool from> the Welsh isn't it?>
No, you'll have to believe that it was grammatically correct. I've spent too long teaching English in exotic countries to make me feel like teaching the English their own language. Did you read what I wrote properly ? If not, don't worry about it. I make allowances for English people when I write. I wish I could use pictures it would be so much easier for them.
"Rob Stradling" <rob.stradling@-BOING-ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:IIB%d.909$fr.460@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
Yes, I appreciate that. It is not my thesis that all the English are > arrogant - far from it. My point is that such a charge cannot be suddenly > thrown back at the Welsh, just because of a few days of hyperbole.
I've been here a long time. Take a tip from me, don't use big words ! It frightens them, and they think you're being arrogant.
Similarly, an English rugby fan will never know true Welsh> "arrogance" until he has suffered decades, rather than days, of Welsh > dominance.
True. They are going to find out what real arrogance is. I have bottles of "vintage arrogance" that I haven't even brought up from the cellar yet.
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:02:10 +0800, rick boyd <boyd@comswest.net.au> wrote:
The Irony is that our best proxies were Scots, Welsh and Irish>> soldiers.>
Only when they had English officers. Otherwise they were an unruly >rabble. I don't like it, but it's true.>
Our best Generals mostly Irish.>
Upper class protestant Irish, educated at upper class English schools. >You can tell me that Arthur Wellesly was Irish, but that would be logic >Tinhead Nick would be proud of.>
Not only Irish, but a true colonial General with Indian victories, and the wealth that went with it. Don't forget this was in the days of John Company. Wellesley couldn't even pay his Tailor's bill before going to India
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:11:57 -0000, "Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
No, you'll have to believe that it was grammatically correct. I've spent too >long teaching English in exotic countries to make me feel like teaching the >English their own language.
"Did you read what I wrote properly ?"
What does this mean Nigel ? the splitting of the infinitive makes it incomprehensible. Do you mean "Did you read, properly, what I wrote" or "Did you properly read what I wrote". I have some little difficulty understanding how you wrote properly and also a few problems with "What I wrote". Presumably that means "That which I wrote", almost as clumsy as the original.
So perhaps "Did you properly read that which I wrote" might have been a little better grammar and a tad more elegant; certainly more understandable than the way in which you expressed it
Still, since you are one who has taught English, I would imagine that you felt embarrased as soon as you pressed send
JH
If not, >don't worry about it. I make allowances for English people when I write. I >wish I could use pictures it would be so much easier for them.
"Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:423dc77a$0$32610$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... ...> If England do not have a reliable kicker they will have many missed > penalties and the other teams will commit professional foul after > professional foul against them.
Bollocks. Any team doing that will find out that playing with 12 or 13 players will cost them more than a few three-pointers.
"John Hill" <john@recruitcrm.co.uk> wrote in message news:8mst31hg2odvf7u7vq05aartn7jg68i3tq@4ax.com...> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:02:10 +0800, rick boyd <boyd@comswest.net.au>> wrote:>
poverty while being tortured and killed by your fellow countrymen.>>
"didgerman" <aw990012@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1uv%d.543$fr.105@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...>
"Grunt" <oldknot@virgin.net> wrote in message> news:3Cn%d.33367$3A6.20549@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...> >
Only France and England seem to be making progress with their current> >
Eh?> >
Didge, me ole froot, what games did you watch, then? I'll grant you that> > both England and France have made some progress this 6N - not as much as> > either would like. But hell! Apart from a scrappy scambled win over> > England,> > simply by being slightly less crap than their opponents on the day,
Wales> > have steadily improved over the entire campaign. Even Scotland played> > their> > best rugby of the 6N against England, and Italy have improved defensively> > and up front but still lack a cutting edge to their play. The only real> > disappointment has been Ireland who don't seem to have moved on at all.> > For me, there have been positives for all the "home" nations in the> > performances of certain individuals which should make Lions selection a> > tad> > interesting.> >
Grunt> >
I'd say Wales were as good good 18 months ago. It's just that they were> shackled by leaders on and off the field.
18 months ago they didn't win ... that is a massive improvement - psychological it may be, but an improvement none the less.
Scotland started well and then got totally confused by Williams...>
Well, I'm not surprised how do you follow the instruction to marshall Williams when you're confronted by 15 of them? I thought it was a low down underhanded trick of the Welsh to field so many players with the same name.
<huwgareth@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:1111352662.531968.118210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
If this were true, then one would expect the Welsh to be less popular> than the English. However, in practice, this is not what we observe. In> practice, all the rugby-playing nations dislike the English intensely,> while the Welsh don't generate anything like the same feelings.>
Out of the traditional rugby-playing nations - Scotland, Wales,> Ireland, France, Australia, NZ, SA, and Argentina - I would say that> the Scottish and the South Africans hate the English the least. And> *they* hate the English!>
So, I find it hard to take seriously what you say, given that the> English rugby team has managed to achieve the remarkable result of> being universally disliked even they were unsucessful.
It has nothing to do with rugby and everything to do with the prejudices of those who like to pretend that their prejudice is in some way acceptable by cloaking it in, for example, sport. Those of whatever nation who hate those of another do so through bigotry and prejudice. That they might try and transfer the blame for that hatred to the object of it merely serves to show how twisted such people can be. As in the ludicrous statement "the English rugby team has managed to achieve the remarkable result of being universally disliked even they were unsucessful" which implies that the rugby team deserved this hatred in some way.
They didn't and they don't deserve it any more than anyone else persecuted because of their race, colour or creed.
The answer to the problem is in the mirror. Take a close look, blind prejudice is not pretty is it?
Kingsley Matthews 21 March 2005 22:45:46 [ permanent link ]
On 21 Mar 2005 03:32:48 -0800, "Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote:
<My grandfather is welsh so I know that not all are like you.>>
No, you know that ONE of them is not like Nigel. There has to be the>exception to prove every rule. Well, of course, there's the Green>Phantom, he's OK, but the rest of them are sad inbred loonies. Sorry,>but it's a fact. Ask your grandad he'll tell you >
UD
I thought Nigel and the Green Phantom were one and the same. Neither likes the Welsh very much and neither know very much about rugby.
They're all a bit yellow and dusty, still at least the WRFU can give >> them a shine now without to much embarrassment. I'd recomend Brasso >> for the silverware.>
You are obviously unaccustomed to the possession of such objetcs. It's > Silvo for the silverware, Brasso for the doorknobs.>
-- rick boyd
I always knew you did a lot of polishing.
But lets not debate cleaning methods or someonemight think they've stumbled into alt.home.cleaning (a real ng!). I'm sure they could help martyn.
Nigel Evans <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:423ee43f$0$8745$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...>
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message> news:1111404877.829276.57570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> > <Clearly, you don't want them but, take it from me, you need them.>> >
I'm not sure that qualifies as a clause, Nigel. Wouldn't "- take it> > from me -" be better? Or did you use an on-line translation tool from> > the Welsh isn't it?> >
No, you'll have to believe that it was grammatically correct. I've spent
long teaching English in exotic countries to make me feel like teaching
English their own language. Did you read what I wrote properly ?
I don't think we add extra spaces before punctuation marks in English Nigel. Though French speakers seem to do it a lot. Are you French? The old "you haven't understood me" ploy eh? The last refuge of the defeated argument.
If not, don't worry about it. I make allowances for English people when I
write. I> wish I could use pictures it would be so much easier for them.
The sort of pictures you bring home from Bangkok wouldn't make it easy for anyone.
John Hill <john@recruitcrm.co.uk> wrote in message newsrst31hanibm3om39jcn9mbfcqelcbd9p3@4ax.com...> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:11:57 -0000, "Nigel Evans">
Still, since you are one who has taught English, I would imagine that> you felt embarrased as soon as you pressed send
Not as much as his Mum when the midwife pressed "send"...
Kingsley Matthews <toomuchspam.kingsley.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sg5u31pgi2hk82g2op6ge7elc1r42n6u15@4ax.com...> On 21 Mar 2005 03:32:48 -0800, "Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de>> wrote:>
<My grandfather is welsh so I know that not all are like you.>> >
No, you know that ONE of them is not like Nigel. There has to be the> >exception to prove every rule. Well, of course, there's the Green> >Phantom, he's OK, but the rest of them are sad inbred loonies. Sorry,> >but it's a fact. Ask your grandad he'll tell you > >
I thought Nigel and the Green Phantom were one and the same. Neither> likes the Welsh very much and neither know very much about rugby.
"Ebermensch" <EberYahoo@menschmail.com> wrote in message news:423efa53$0$27318$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...> "Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:423dc77a$0$32610$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...> ...>> If England do not have a reliable kicker they will have many missed >> penalties and the other teams will commit professional foul after >> professional foul against them.>
Bollocks. Any team doing that will find out that playing with 12 or 13 > players will cost them more than a few three-pointers.>
"leighton Jones" <leighton.j@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3QE%d.36330$3A6.23652@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
Didn't God give us the Bible?> Cheers LJ.
No, of course he didn't. It was some German bloke. Then a man called Paxman invented printing and in 1066 the Normans started putting them in hotel bedrooms.
Martyn Winters 22 March 2005 01:11:44 [ permanent link ]
"Ants Bull" <ants.bull@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:ee12e829.0503201455.346f3bcb@posting.google.com...>> Off the back of this I think the Lions will be a balls up. We'll still >> win,>> the ABs are the weakest SH side at the moment, we just won't do it as >> well>> as we should.>
What a joke - how you come by that is beyond me seeing as the AB's> were the only team to go undefeated in the NH tours at the end of last> year. The Lions are going to get shat on.
Black pudding for our summer feast, I think. Yum, yum. Looking forward to it.
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:45:46 GMT, Kingsley Matthews <toomuchspam.kingsley.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 21 Mar 2005 03:32:48 -0800, "Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de>>wrote:>
<My grandfather is welsh so I know that not all are like you.>>>
No, you know that ONE of them is not like Nigel. There has to be the>>exception to prove every rule. Well, of course, there's the Green>>Phantom, he's OK, but the rest of them are sad inbred loonies. Sorry,>>but it's a fact. Ask your grandad he'll tell you >>
I thought Nigel and the Green Phantom were one and the same. Neither>likes the Welsh very much and neither know very much about rugby.
Says the man who thinks he could have played at five-eighth as well as Wilkinson.
"Sean Byrne" <byrne_sean_spamtrap_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d1p2dc$cqi$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...> Ali Day wrote:>
Week before last, my home team had a record>> 800 people supporting an important match (top two teams third div>> south)>
What's your home team then? They didn't happen to sneak a 2 point win> did they?
North Walsham, they've gone on a loosing spree, having been in the top two of the division since the season started, in the last month has seen them loose the last 4 matches or so. So no National 2 this year unless Redruth screwup or Barking suddenly self implode.
Split infinitive ? Where ? The infinitive is the the form which includes the > word "to". So "to sing", "to dance", "to gloat" are infinitives. They are > split when other words are placed between the word "to" and the verb. Split > infinitives used to be incorrect language but, because language evolves over > time, this is no longer the case. The Star Trek words "to boldly go" have > been accepted into the English language and no one can criticise it because > the infinitive is split. There is no infinitive in the sentence you > criticise.
What JH means is that your sentence was poorly arranged and confusing. It was a crap sentence. Any high school kid of 14 would be told as much.
"rick boyd" <boyd@comswest.net.au> wrote in message news:42401694@quokka.wn.com.au...
What JH means is that your sentence was poorly arranged and confusing. It > was a crap sentence. Any high school kid of 14 would be told as much.
I'm not the least concerned about confusing people who are unable to read properly. ( The word "confusing" as used in the last sentence is not an adjective. It used to be called a participle but they've changed it now so it's called "an -ing word". Even English grammar is being dumbed down so that dopes can try to understand it. )
Kingsley Matthews 22 March 2005 19:34:54 [ permanent link ]
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:32:48 -0000, "Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
"The Green Phantom" <ask@the.right.time> wrote in message >news:423f2ae8$0$15985$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...>> Kingsley Matthews wrote:>>
[...]>>
I thought Nigel and the Green Phantom were one and the same. Neither>>> likes the Welsh very much and neither know very much about rugby.>>
Like the stale old seaweed returning to Aberystwyth beach. The return of>> the smug and unctuous Kingsley Matthews. I knew it was too good to last.>
Don't be nasty to Kingsley ! He must be at least 90 years old now and we >should show him respect. >
Nigel, sometimes you almost get me to like you, almost I said!
Kingsley Matthews 22 March 2005 19:36:12 [ permanent link ]
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:35:54 +0000, Brent <the_1aser@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:45:46 GMT, Kingsley Matthews><toomuchspam.kingsley.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:>
On 21 Mar 2005 03:32:48 -0800, "Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de>>>wrote:>>
<My grandfather is welsh so I know that not all are like you.>>>>
No, you know that ONE of them is not like Nigel. There has to be the>>>exception to prove every rule. Well, of course, there's the Green>>>Phantom, he's OK, but the rest of them are sad inbred loonies. Sorry,>>>but it's a fact. Ask your grandad he'll tell you >>>
I thought Nigel and the Green Phantom were one and the same. Neither>>likes the Welsh very much and neither know very much about rugby.>
Says the man who thinks he could have played at five-eighth as well as>Wilkinson.>
Cheers>
Brent
Is there such a position as five-eighth???
btw, I never said I could play as well, it has just been misinterpreted that way by some of you illiterates.
rick boyd <boyd@comswest.net.au> wrote in message news:42401694@quokka.wn.com.au...> Nigel Evans wrote:>
Split infinitive ? Where ? The infinitive is the the form which includes
word "to". So "to sing", "to dance", "to gloat" are infinitives. They
split when other words are placed between the word "to" and the verb.
Split> > infinitives used to be incorrect language but, because language evolves over> > time, this is no longer the case. The Star Trek words "to boldly go" have> > been accepted into the English language and no one can criticise it because> > the infinitive is split. There is no infinitive in the sentence you> > criticise.>
What JH means is that your sentence was poorly arranged and confusing.> It was a crap sentence. Any high school kid of 14 would be told as much.
What do you expect from somebody whose idea of teaching English is "now repeat after me 'You want jig-a-jig Johnny?'"
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:36:12 GMT, Kingsley Matthews <toomuchspam.kingsley.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:35:54 +0000, Brent <the_1aser@hotmail.com>>wrote:>
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:45:46 GMT, Kingsley Matthews>><toomuchspam.kingsley.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:>>
On 21 Mar 2005 03:32:48 -0800, "Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de>>>>wrote:>>>
<My grandfather is welsh so I know that not all are like you.>>>>>
No, you know that ONE of them is not like Nigel. There has to be the>>>>exception to prove every rule. Well, of course, there's the Green>>>>Phantom, he's OK, but the rest of them are sad inbred loonies. Sorry,>>>>but it's a fact. Ask your grandad he'll tell you >>>>
I thought Nigel and the Green Phantom were one and the same. Neither>>>likes the Welsh very much and neither know very much about rugby.>>
Says the man who thinks he could have played at five-eighth as well as>>Wilkinson.>>
Cheers>>
Brent>
Is there such a position as five-eighth???>
btw, I never said I could play as well, it has just been>misinterpreted that way by some of you illiterates.
That's true.
Your actual comment was:
" I'm in my late 50s, clinically obese and never played outside half, but I think I could have given a credible performance if surrounded by that particular England team. "
Which is, granted, a slightly less ridiculous comment.
Albeit in the same way that, say, plague is slightly less deadly than ebola.
<Working on the rigs, where it's 50 / 50 mix of english n scots, the scots hate the english, the english patronise them and are condesceding back which winds them up even more. >
Since we enslaved them, sorry made Union with them, we see them like children and treat them with forebearance and understanding. Anyway, they shoudl count themselves lucky we weren't Romans or they'd all be Lion fodder and the Calcutta Cup would be awarded to the Lion who could eat the most Scottish waifs in two forty minute chomping periods.
In message <1111570663.847335.211980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Uncle Dave <davidcovey@t-online.de> writes>Since we enslaved them, sorry made Union with them, we see them like >children and treat them with forebearance and understanding. Anyway, >they shoudl count themselves lucky we weren't Romans or they'd all be >Lion fodder and the Calcutta Cup would be awarded to the Lion who could >eat the most Scottish waifs in two forty minute chomping periods.
Thos romans never quite conquered up here. Nor did the English really. The Scots were bought with bribes and then destroyed each other. The English, on the other hand, opened their legs to any passing ship. Interesting prog the other day about the effects of devolution. There's a whole generation of kids growing up now who don't feel British in any way. Sad IMO, but then again proper independence would be nice but will never happen. -- Pete Devlin [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}] "Mind the oranges Marlon!"
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message news:1111570663.847335.211980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> <Working on the rigs, where it's 50 / 50 mix of english n scots, the> scots hate the english, the english patronise them and are condesceding> back which winds them up even more. >>
Since we enslaved them, sorry made Union with them, we see them like> children and treat them with forebearance and understanding. Anyway,> they shoudl count themselves lucky we weren't Romans or they'd all be> Lion fodder and the Calcutta Cup would be awarded to the Lion who could> eat the most Scottish waifs in two forty minute chomping periods.
Urban myth that the Romans never made it into Scotland, there are camps as far north as Orkney, nr Fraserburgh was a large town for a while and were in scotland for around 40 years until they pulled back to Hadrian's wall having been given a bloody nose or two, in most of the battles the Pictii usually came out on top. The never really settled, but they had a very good tour of Scotland.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:21:14 +0100, "Ali Day" <Alasdair.Day@NOSPAMcern.ch> wrote:
The runway for Marham is about 500m from the second team pitch and I >remember quite a few years back the Battle of Britain flight take off and >then swung round right over the top of the pitch. As you can imagine we >stopped playing for a good 5 minutes.>
A
I played against RAF Marham one famous and eventually drunken Wednesday afternoon. Happy days
The irony of this is that generally people in England have no ill>> feeling to those from other parts of the UK or indeed other parts of> the>> world - we're far more interested in getting on with our lives>> rather than indulging in petty bigotry.>
Rather, I think that the English despise all other nationalities> equally ("wogs begin at Calais") and therefore it appears to you that> you are even-handed.
And stereotyping is a tool of the feeble minded. Yes as an Englishman do you think I despise all nationalities and that's why I work in Geneva you cretin, which is about 60% non swiss and live in rural france, and about 80% of my rugby team mates are these jolly foreigner types or 'wogs' as you put it.
I don't. I'm responding to someone who called the Welsh bigoted.
Coming out with stereotypical commentary about the English like this DOES make YOU bigoted.
In message <d1rgb2$n4q$1@sunnews.cern.ch>, Ali Day <Alasdair.Day@NOSPAMcern.ch> writes>I was brought up just outside Aberdeen, loads of abuse, studied in >Ednburgh no problems then lived in Dundee, loads of abuse. I s'pose >your right, but then again it's the 1% who are memorable. Thing that >used to make me laugh was one family member avid rangers supporter, >member of the blue flash, orange lodge and all that shite, into the >union yet he was so anti-english it was incredible.
As in most parts of the country/world, people fear what they do not know. I have found the vocal ones to be the no lifes that have never been more than ear shot away from their mother's tit. Their opinion does not count, it can't, it is uninformed. Amongst the normal, travelled and educated there is very little racism/nationalism. Unfortunately, the only way to deal with ignorant plebs is to face up and change their perceptions which might, on occasion be construed as aggression and lead to unpleasantness. Having a sense of humour and the ability to laugh at yourself will get you by anywhere I have found. I see a lot of grudging respect and banter amongst the many nationalities I work with, but then again we don't tend to employ insecure little souls that misconstrue harmless banter as abuse. As an aside, people in Aberdeen are just nasty to everybody! Don't think that you are special because you are English! -- Pete Devlin [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}] "Mind the oranges Marlon!"
<huwgareth@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:1111589184.959445.98910@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>
Rather, I think that the English despise all other nationalities> equally ("wogs begin at Calais") and therefore it appears to you that> you are even-handed.
What absolute bollocks. Yes, some English people think like that but then so do some Welsh. You are choosing the extreme and saying this is normal for all English. So, by your measure all Welsh people spit at TV reporters or drop concrete blocks from motorway bridges onto passing cars?
Ali Day <Alasdair.Day@NOSPAMcern.ch> wrote in message news:d1s1bn$2em$1@sunnews.cern.ch...>
And stereotyping is a tool of the feeble minded. Yes as an Englishman do
think I despise all nationalities and that's why I work in Geneva you> cretin, which is about 60% non swiss and live in rural france, and about
80%> of my rugby team mates are these jolly foreigner types or 'wogs' as you
it.
You think you've got it bad - I have to work with Belgians. And Russians. And Americans. And the bloody Irish, don't forget them. Indians. Coatians. New Zealander. Australians. French. Dutch. Before that I had to work with Germans. Italians. Poles. Finns. Norwegians. Swedes. No Welsh though thank God for small mercies.
} On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:21:14 +0100, "Ali Day" } <Alasdair.Day@NOSPAMcern.ch> wrote: } } > } >The runway for Marham is about 500m from the second team pitch and I } >remember quite a few years back the Battle of Britain flight take off and } >then swung round right over the top of the pitch. As you can imagine we } >stopped playing for a good 5 minutes. } } I played against RAF Marham one famous and eventually drunken } Wednesday afternoon. Happy days
I must be going mad - I could have sworn North Walsham was on RAF Coltishall's doorstep. We were meant to play Colt in a quarter final under Walsham's floodlights last month, but the game got snowed off and rearranged. Alas the only date available was 2 days after a bruising (or, in the case of one of our threequarters, bonebreaking) encounter with Sandhurst and we were unable to do ourselves justice. I'm pretty sure I played against Marham at Walhsm when the pitches at Marham were waterlogged a few years back though...
-- yours aye, Tom
You don't "watch" cricket as such, you enter a kind of meditative state. For five days. It's very relaxing. - Tim Auton 2003-08-04
"Tom Joyce" <t.m.joyce@dunelm.org.uk> wrote in message news:9pkg41du2koor72jgeuqjnb7thet7krbju@4ax.com...> Also sprach John Hill <john@recruitcrm.co.uk>:>
} On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:21:14 +0100, "Ali Day"> } <Alasdair.Day@NOSPAMcern.ch> wrote:> }> } >> } >The runway for Marham is about 500m from the second team pitch and I> } >remember quite a few years back the Battle of Britain flight take off > and> } >then swung round right over the top of the pitch. As you can imagine we> } >stopped playing for a good 5 minutes.> }> } I played against RAF Marham one famous and eventually drunken> } Wednesday afternoon. Happy days>
I must be going mad - I could have sworn North Walsham was on RAF> Coltishall's doorstep. We were meant to play Colt in a quarter final> under Walsham's floodlights last month, but the game got snowed off> and rearranged. Alas the only date available was 2 days after a> bruising (or, in the case of one of our threequarters, bonebreaking)> encounter with Sandhurst and we were unable to do ourselves justice.> I'm pretty sure I played against Marham at Walhsm when the pitches at> Marham were waterlogged a few years back though...
Sorry Tom, yer right it's been 5 years since I left the UK! My parents live near Marham getting mesel confused.
