Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently. Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as S-D is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My vote goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly because Smith was very average this weekend.
Only change from is Balshaw in for Robinson - why oh why?
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...> Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently. > Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as S-D > is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of > playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My vote > goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly because > Smith was very average this weekend.>
Only change from is Balshaw in for Robinson - why oh why?>
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in > message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...>> Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently. >> Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as S-D >> is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of >> playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My vote >> goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly because >> Smith was very average this weekend.>>
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0000, "Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in >message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...>> Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently. >> Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as S-D >> is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of >> playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My vote >> goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly because >> Smith was very average this weekend.>
I know it's not very sporting of me but will you please now acknowledge that >the vast strength in depth that England was said to have is an illusion ?
This "English strength in depth" thing seems like an RSRU myth to me. A cursory Google on the phrase in this NG seems to attribute it much more to trolling remarks by non-England supporters than anything else.
Has an English poster ever seriously used this phrase? Serious question.
Greig Blanchett 8 March 2005 10:53:19 [ permanent link ]
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:45:38 +0000, DaveyWavey <davey.wavey@none.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0000, "Nigel Evans"><nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:>
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in >>message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...>>> Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently. >>> Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as S-D >>> is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of >>> playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My vote >>> goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly because >>> Smith was very average this weekend.>>
I know it's not very sporting of me but will you please now acknowledge that >>the vast strength in depth that England was said to have is an illusion ?>
This "English strength in depth" thing seems like an RSRU myth to me.>A cursory Google on the phrase in this NG seems to attribute it much>more to trolling remarks by non-England supporters than anything else.>
Has an English poster ever seriously used this phrase? Serious>question.>
Simon Stovin-Bradford 8 March 2005 11:51:32 [ permanent link ]
"Greig Blanchett" <greigb@nzrfu.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:0uiq21tp186rpm82hmmvbpa2ijqekqvgun@4ax.com...> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:45:38 +0000, DaveyWavey <davey.wavey@none.com>> wrote:>
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0000, "Nigel Evans">><nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:>>
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in>>>message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...>>>> Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently.>>>> Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as >>>> S-D>>>> is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of>>>> playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My >>>> vote>>>> goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly >>>> because>>>> Smith was very average this weekend.>>>
I know it's not very sporting of me but will you please now acknowledge >>>that>>>the vast strength in depth that England was said to have is an illusion ?>>
This "English strength in depth" thing seems like an RSRU myth to me.>>A cursory Google on the phrase in this NG seems to attribute it much>>more to trolling remarks by non-England supporters than anything else.>>
Has an English poster ever seriously used this phrase? Serious>>question.>>
Uncle Da-aa-ave! It's for yoo-oo-oou!>
-- > greig
right, so the whole "English strength in depth" comes from one poster, UD. Riiiiiiiiiiiight, so I'll just base all my opinions on NZ on Matua now then.
"DaveyWavey" <davey.wavey@none.com> wrote in message news:q7mp21les3l5d6lcdpqonp62bhnii9lgtv@4ax.com...> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0000, "Nigel Evans"> <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:>
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in>>message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...>>> Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently.>>> Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as >>> S-D>>> is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of>>> playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My vote>>> goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly because>>> Smith was very average this weekend.>>
I know it's not very sporting of me but will you please now acknowledge >>that>>the vast strength in depth that England was said to have is an illusion ?>
This "English strength in depth" thing seems like an RSRU myth to me.> A cursory Google on the phrase in this NG seems to attribute it much> more to trolling remarks by non-England supporters than anything else.>
Has an English poster ever seriously used this phrase? Serious> question.>
Erm, I may have mentioned it.... But look, Tindall, Greenwood and Abbot out. We're playing Smith, Buzby and Noon, it's not bad is it?
Simon Stovin-Bradford 8 March 2005 12:21:52 [ permanent link ]
"didgerman" <aw990012@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Y2dXd.120$PG3.36@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...>
"DaveyWavey" <davey.wavey@none.com> wrote in message > news:q7mp21les3l5d6lcdpqonp62bhnii9lgtv@4ax.com...>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0000, "Nigel Evans">> <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:>>
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in>>>message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...>>>> Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently.>>>> Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as >>>> S-D>>>> is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of>>>> playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My >>>> vote>>>> goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly >>>> because>>>> Smith was very average this weekend.>>>
I know it's not very sporting of me but will you please now acknowledge >>>that>>>the vast strength in depth that England was said to have is an illusion ?>>
This "English strength in depth" thing seems like an RSRU myth to me.>> A cursory Google on the phrase in this NG seems to attribute it much>> more to trolling remarks by non-England supporters than anything else.>>
Has an English poster ever seriously used this phrase? Serious>> question.>>
Erm, I may have mentioned it....> But look, Tindall, Greenwood and Abbot out. We're playing Smith, Buzby and > Noon, it's not bad is it?>
Vickery, White, Hill, Wilkinson, Tindall, Greenwood, Abbot, Robinson, Cohen etc etc. Forget it didge, we've played the championship with 2/3rds of the team out, could have been sat here with 3 wins (instead of 3 close losses), but still have no depth.
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in message news:<d0htvb$56q$1@sunnews.cern.ch>...> "Simon C" <simon@cuciureanNOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message > news:d0ht5p$18s$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...> > oh no.....its Balshaw> >
"rick boyd" <boyd@comswest.net.au> wrote in message news:422cd571@quokka.wn.com.au...
Although it makes me nauseous to agree with Evans, N; I too must express a > fascination with the non-appearance so far of the veritable flood of young > talent that was about to wash across the international stage from > England's huge playing pool. The strength of the England B team (or > England A as they prefer to call it, obviously for fear of runing out of > letters of the alphabet, such was their prodigious depth of talent) was a > thing that could only be marvelled at, but now I find myself marvelling at > how any national team could be worse than the actual full England side.
They had the best forwards in the world leading up to the World Cup. They managed to hang on for a last-gasp win in the final before going into freefall. No talent in depth, I'm afraid. Too many foreigners playing in their Premier league and a nation of Cyclops supporting them. All of which makes me pleased beyond belief.
Greig Blanchett 8 March 2005 14:22:38 [ permanent link ]
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:51:32 +0100, "Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote:
"Greig Blanchett" <greigb@nzrfu.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >news:0uiq21tp186rpm82hmmvbpa2ijqekqvgun@4ax.com...
[...]>>
Uncle Da-aa-ave! It's for yoo-oo-oou!>>
-- >> greig>
right, so the whole "English strength in depth" comes from one poster, UD. >Riiiiiiiiiiiight, so I'll just base all my opinions on NZ on Matua now then. >
"Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<422c7c01$0$8741$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>...> "Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in > message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...> > Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently. > > Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as S-D > > is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of > > playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My vote > > goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly because > > Smith was very average this weekend.>
I know it's not very sporting of me but will you please now acknowledge that > the vast strength in depth that England was said to have is an illusion ?
Sure. Will you acknowledge that a weak English team going down by two points against what is touted as the best Welsh team in years either indicates that
a) England have more strength in depth than you think b) Wales' resurgence is, as yet, a chimera.
"John Hill" <john@recruitcrm.co.uk> wrote in message news:ulqq211itul58opjs8co17sufp92vgk67i@4ax.com...> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0000, "Nigel Evans"
<nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:> OK Nigel. Take out Henson, Jones,the captain and Foley from Wales and> how close would they run Scotland, say
Sorry, but it's not a matter of imaginary teams. It's all too real I'm afraid. Wales are due to play Scotland this coming weekend. I don't think that I've seen an Internationa lrugby side which was as poor as Scotland was last year. Laporte, by picking a crazy and understrength side, has not allowed us to judge their ability this year. I know that Wales have talented players but they are disorganised. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Scotland were to beat Wales. Certainly France should have been home and dry against Wales after the first forty minutes.
This England team with some 3rd choice players may have lost the> knowledge of how to win, but, that knowledge is locked in the minds> and actions of the players who are injured or retired. And what are> the margins 60 points ? or a handful ?
It really doesn't matter about the points margin. England were well beaten by Wales. France beat England very easily in the second half of that game. Cricket scores only happen when one team realise it has no chance of winning. Might as well lose by sixty points as lose by six.
What is missing is the collective awareness of what it takes to shut> out an opponenet and make sure the marginal issues go your way. What> Robinson the technician has failed to do is awaken the memory of> winning in atight spot. I doubt he has the ability.The players (the> depth) have talent. It needs a spark to ignite it, I'm not sure the> new management can do that.
I don't think he's much good as a coach but he cannot win games if he does not have the players. I don't think Woodward was any good as a coach either, as the forthcoming Lions tour will demonstrate, but he had the advantage of some very good English forwards. Yes, you've read correctly, there were some outstanding forwards playing for Woodward but now they've gone.
"Ali Day" <Alasdair.Day@NOSPAMcern.ch> wrote in message news:d0jtor$n06$1@sunnews.cern.ch...
Any objective observer here would say that the English propaganda was> It's why you have to love the Irish, no arrogance, no talking of how great> they are, just look forward to a good game of rugby and then get pissed at> the end of it. You lot haven't won owt yet let alone the grandslam.>
When you do that, and manage it with a shed load of injuries then you can> climb up on your high horse and I'll help you get up.
Don't you dare try to lift me ! Your present mental state is that of the "fully wound up" variety and you'd probably drop me.
"Ben L" <bjlongman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:fca12aed.0503080412.65a36586@posting.google.com...> "Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:<422c7c01$0$8741$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>...>> "Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in>> message news:d0hpo7$p6q$1@sunnews.cern.ch...>> > Cohen out and nobody called into the squad to replace him apparently.>> > Given that both had good games at the weekend, S-D or Bambi? Being as >> > S-D>> > is playing centre and Bambi fullback at the moment, in the spirit of>> > playing out of position, what about Smith or Lloyd for the wing? My >> > vote>> > goes to S-D, but he's only just shading Bambi, and that's mainly >> > because>> > Smith was very average this weekend.>>
I know it's not very sporting of me but will you please now acknowledge >> that>> the vast strength in depth that England was said to have is an illusion ?>
Sure. Will you acknowledge that a weak English
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team going down by two> points against what is touted as the best Welsh team in years either> indicates that>
a) England have more strength in depth than you think> b) Wales' resurgence is, as yet, a chimera.
"Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote in message news:d0juuh$pol$1@sunnews.cern.ch...
silly boyo - you can keep the victory, you won, that's how it works. I am > simply pointing out that your attacks on Englands depth have about as much > merit as the calls for Peel to be on the Lions tour.>
I think he's quite talented. If I was a young rugby player I think, if I was going to have an injury, I would prefer to have it now. I wouldn't really want to go to New Zealand. Not with Woodward as my boss, anyway.
"Ben L" <bjlongman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:fca12aed.0503080412.65a36586@posting.google.com...
Sure. Will you acknowledge that a weak English team going down by two> points against what is touted as the best Welsh team in years either> indicates that>
a) England have more strength in depth than you think
Absolutely not. They are potless.
b) Wales' resurgence is, as yet, a chimera.
Nothing to do with us, matey. We are strictly dragons. You can stick your lions, goats and snakes !
Alistair Hutton 8 March 2005 17:32:26 [ permanent link ]
DaveyWavey wrote:>
This "English strength in depth" thing seems like an RSRU myth to me.> A cursory Google on the phrase in this NG seems to attribute it much> more to trolling remarks by non-England supporters than anything else.>
Has an English poster ever seriously used this phrase? Serious> question.>
Stuart Barnes wrote an article in Rugby World basically stating that Engalnd's 3rd choice 15 would be able to take on all comers, maybe 2001ish? He listed 1st choice A, B & C sides as far as I recall.
Simon Stovin-Bradford 8 March 2005 19:09:32 [ permanent link ]
"Alistair Hutton" <huttona@NAESPAMdcs.gla.ac.uk> wrote in message news:d0k9hb$jkg$1@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk...> DaveyWavey wrote:>>
This "English strength in depth" thing seems like an RSRU myth to me.>> A cursory Google on the phrase in this NG seems to attribute it much>> more to trolling remarks by non-England supporters than anything else.>>
Has an English poster ever seriously used this phrase? Serious>> question.>>
Stuart Barnes wrote an article in Rugby World basically stating that > Engalnd's 3rd choice 15 would be able to take on all comers, maybe > 2001ish? He listed 1st choice A, B & C sides as far as I recall.>
silly boyo - you can keep the victory, you won, that's how it works. I am > simply pointing out that your attacks on Englands depth have about as much > merit as the calls for Peel to be on the Lions tour.
Yes - anyone can see that Cusiter will get injured and Cooper will play a blinder in tests 2 and 3.
Greig Blanchett 8 March 2005 21:54:26 [ permanent link ]
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:54:51 +0100, "Simon Stovin-Bradford" <Simon.Stovin-Bradford@nospooge.cern.ch> wrote:
"Sean Byrne" <byrne_sean_spamtrap_@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:d0jvjs$5s4$2$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...>> Simon Stovin-Bradford wrote:>>
so our side with 13 injuries only lost to you lot at home by a couple,>>> and we've got no depth?>>
Nobody's been crowing about Welsh depth though have they Simon?>
and if you read the previous posts, it would appear that English people >crowing about their depth (other than Didge and UD) are thin on the ground >too. We have been hearing a lot about how bloody marvellous Wales are - I am >just trying to put their result into perspective.
You forgot John Hill - he bangs on about depth relentlessly.
I take it you're not 100% English then? "Tim"? Sounds Scottish to> me...
Lol, very good. English through and through, and hoping we can get rid of the clown pretending to be a coach and get someone decent in his place (from wherever in the world that may be). tim
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:32:26 +0000, Alistair Hutton <huttona@NAESPAMdcs.gla.ac.uk> wrote:
Stuart Barnes wrote an article in Rugby World basically stating that >Engalnd's 3rd choice 15 would be able to take on all comers, maybe >2001ish? He listed 1st choice A, B & C sides as far as I recall.>
-->Alistair Hutton
And he is being proven about right ? We are on C & D choices in some places
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:49:51 -0000, "Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
"John Hill" <john@recruitcrm.co.uk> wrote in message >news:ulqq211itul58opjs8co17sufp92vgk67i@4ax.com...>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:06:24 -0000, "Nigel Evans">
<nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:>> OK Nigel. Take out Henson, Jones,the captain and Foley from Wales and>> how close would they run Scotland, say>
Sorry, but it's not a matter of imaginary teams. It's all too real I'm >afraid. Wales are due to play Scotland this coming weekend. I don't think >that I've seen an Internationa lrugby side which was as poor as Scotland was >last year. Laporte, by picking a crazy and understrength side, has not >allowed us to judge their ability this year. I know that Wales have talented >players but they are disorganised. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if >Scotland were to beat Wales. Certainly France should have been home and dry >against Wales after the first forty minutes.>
This England team with some 3rd choice players may have lost the>> knowledge of how to win, but, that knowledge is locked in the minds>> and actions of the players who are injured or retired. And what are>> the margins 60 points ? or a handful ?>
It really doesn't matter about the points margin. England were well beaten >by Wales. France beat England very easily in the second half of that game. >Cricket scores only happen when one team realise it has no chance of >winning. Might as well lose by sixty points as lose by six.>
How much do you understand about the player's mindset. To get an Onternational place requires talent, hard work and determination / mental toughness. That sort of characteristic doesn't adopt the attitude you suggested. Although that belief and toughness appears to be lacking in the current England team. With the possible exception of Corry there is no go to point though.
Oh and this weekend there will only be 2 or 3 players left from the team playing in the RWC final. I've seen this sort of rebound twice with teams that had won the Junior cup and player at Twickenmham
JH
What is missing is the collective awareness of what it takes to shut>> out an opponenet and make sure the marginal issues go your way. What>> Robinson the technician has failed to do is awaken the memory of>> winning in atight spot. I doubt he has the ability.The players (the>> depth) have talent. It needs a spark to ignite it, I'm not sure the>> new management can do that.>
I don't think he's much good as a coach but he cannot win games if he does >not have the players. I don't think Woodward was any good as a coach either, >as the forthcoming Lions tour will demonstrate, but he had the advantage of >some very good English forwards. Yes, you've read correctly, there were some >outstanding forwards playing for Woodward but now they've gone.
"John Hill" <john@recruitcrm.co.uk> wrote in message news:94ct21tc3t7fad40pq3s60lfpghuphcjkl@4ax.com...
How much do you understand about the player's mindset. To get an> Onternational place requires talent, hard work and determination /> mental toughness. That sort of characteristic doesn't adopt the> attitude you suggested. Although that belief and toughness appears to> be lacking in the current England team. With the possible exception of> Corry there is no go to point though.
I have to disagree with you. If you had said, " it should require talent, hard work, determination and mental toughness" then I would agree with you. The reality is that coaches need to field fifteen players. England now finds itself in a position where it does not have a team of players who possess such qualities. One of the reasons for the initial decline of Welsh rugby following the success of the seventies is that players were retained for too long after their usefullness. Some had become complacent. Rugby is a special type of game in which mental attitude is extremely important. We agree on this but heavy defeats for teams come as a result of an acceptance by the losers that defeat is inevitable for them. A recent example of the importance of attitude is the England v France game. At half time the game was heading for an English win. After twenty minutes of the second half it was beyond doubt that England were going to lose and this could be seen in the body language of both sets of players.
Oh and this weekend there will only be 2 or 3 players left from the> team playing in the RWC final. I've seen this sort of rebound twice> with teams that had won the Junior cup and player at Twickenmham
Yes, and this a good thing. Success in rugby teams is cyclical. My comments have been made in order to deflate the fools who insisted that England would continue to be superior to other nations by virtue of a vast reserve of talent. A reserve I knew they did not possess.
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:49:51 -0000, "Nigel Evans"> <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:>
It really doesn't matter about the points margin. England were well>>beaten by Wales. France beat England very easily in the second half of>>that game. Cricket scores only happen when one team realise it has no>>chance of winning. Might as well lose by sixty points as lose by six.>>
How much do you understand about the player's mindset. To get an> Onternational place requires talent, hard work and determination /> mental toughness. That sort of characteristic doesn't adopt the> attitude you suggested. Although that belief and toughness appears to> be lacking in the current England team. With the possible exception of> Corry there is no go to point though.
Lewsey and Moody too.
A couple more in the tight forwards is what's needed at the moment.
"Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote in message news:1110294845.965248.97170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> <Hear that, Dave? He called you Matua, he did.>>
Matua might be a bit simple but he's honest in his "opinions" and> puerile obsession with other people's willies.>
Now, if he'd called me "Greig" that would be a different matter...>
Also sprach Greig Blanchett <greigb@nzrfu.NOSPAM.com>:
} >> proof ? } > } >I don't think so. Old Blancho's as sraight as they ... oh sorry, pRoof. } >My mistake. } > } >-- rick boyd } } Well that's cleared that up. I thought he'd called me a PROP.
Now, what have you done to deserve an honour like that?
-- yours aye, Tom
You don't "watch" cricket as such, you enter a kind of meditative state. For five days. It's very relaxing. - Tim Auton 2003-08-04
From: "rick boyd" <boyd@comswest.net.au> Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby.union Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: england wing
Ben Clegg wrote:>
Rick, I thought you knew better than to add any credibility to Nigel's >> recurring tale of doom and gloom (for everyone apart from Wales, who are >> perennially about to emerge from some doom and gloom of everyone else¹s >> making). I'm sure with your newfound encouragement, Nigel can now conjure >> up a wonderful scenario in which he shortly will be getting admiring >> glances for his polyester suit and sheepskin jacket as he steps into his >> Ford Capri on his way to watch London Welsh vanquish all before them...>
Yes, I'm sorry, it is always unwise to agree with fools, even when they > are accidentally right.>
And I can't disagree with any of your points about what is wrong with > England, but I wonder what you suggest to improve matters.
I think it's wonderful to see two human beings so in tune with each other's views. Such respect for each other ! It fair brings a tear to the eye two think that two blokes seperated by the length of the earth but be so united. There is hope for mankind yet. May God bless you both !
P.S. He's right about the sheepskin jacket but wrong about the suit. I had a Capri for part of the time I was at London Welsh. Blue one. 2.8 injection.
"Ben Clegg" <b.a.c.l.e.g.g@y.a.h.o.oc.o.m> wrote in message news:b.a.c.l.e.g.g-B590CC.17061109032005@yuma.acns.colostate.edu...
Well if not at least we have the trophy to show that it could be done> once.>
Cheers,>
Ben
Yes, but it makes me very sad to have to acknowledge that we will all be dead and gone before such a thing happens again. We are here for such a brief moment in time. That's why we must all make efforts to be as cheerful as possible when we are here ! We must all limit the time we spend watching English rugby.
In article <42302678$0$8756$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, "Nigel Evans" <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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I think it's wonderful to see two human beings so in tune with each other's> views. Such respect for each other !> It fair brings a tear to the eye two think that two blokes seperated by the> length of the earth but be so united. There is hope for mankind yet. May God> bless you both !
Given your weltanschauung, I can well imagine how unlikely it would be to encounter people who share your views. I can assure you that for most of us that is not the case. Nonetheless, I believe there are probably people out there in tune with even your views, Nigel. I'd recommend starting with one of those chaps wandering the streets wearing a sandwich board proclaiming "the end of the world is nigh" -- as long as you can get passed any last shread of optimism they might have.
"Ben Clegg" <b.a.c.l.e.g.g@y.a.h.o.oc.o.m> wrote in message news:b.a.c.l.e.g.g-39CA86.11580111032005@yuma.acns.colostate.edu...
Given your weltanschauung, I can well imagine how unlikely it would be> to encounter people who share your views.
weltanschauung ? What a lovely word and you use it so well ! Your change of location has clearly given you more zest than you had before. Lustigkeit emanating from every orifice.
I can assure you that for most> of us that is not the case. Nonetheless, I believe there are probably> people out there in tune with even your views, Nigel. I'd recommend> starting with one of those chaps wandering the streets wearing a> sandwich board proclaiming "the end of the world is nigh" -- as long as> you can get passed any last shread of optimism they might have.
Are you developing psychic powers instead of skiing ? Both my father and his father were involved in jobs which meant that they had to walk the streets and I've done so a couple of times in my life. The man who used to carry a sandwich board in my town hasn't been seen for ages. He used to work on the buses but I fear he's taken his last ride. An uncle married a woman who had an uncle who used to wear a white suit. He had a mop of white hair and would startle passers-by when he burst into song - always a Welsh hymn. I've met some real characters in my life and I'm disappointed to see their numbers dwindle. As a child I knew a woman who firmly believed that her husband kept an elephant in her garden. She was very concerned about its diet. I had a next door neighbour who thought I was thick because I was unable to speak Latin. There was a man working in the Hoover factory who would always go to the Moon for his weekends. And, of course, I was privileged to know Dai Decimal who, having no knowledge of arithmetic, sung the praise of the decimal system from the early Seventies until his untimely death. So, I have made the effort to speak and share views with as many types of people as I could. I have been drawn to the conclusion that few will agree with my views and that these people are to be pitied not ridiculed. I am pleased that you have found a soulmate in Boyd. I hope the nurses will treat you both in an appropriate manner.
"DaveyWavey" <davey.wavey@none.com> wrote in message news:7rg531p1dlho9rtan9e9mmd5pmr6q1876q@4ax.com...> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:45:14 -0000, "Nigel Evans"> <nigel@tingtongfarang.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:>
"DaveyWavey" <davey.wavey@none.com> wrote in message>>news:7td431tgepqiufot9g700j3jntjgacp03l@4ax.com...>>
So, in summary, you're saying that England "was said to have" vast>>> strength in depth, but it wasn't the English supporters that said it?>>>
I'll take your word for it. Now, whose round is it ? I need a drink.>>
At 8:45am? For some reason I thought you were resident in the British> Isles?
Tea? Champagne perhaps, Evans does seem unusually chirpy of late, what with all those false 'new dawns' there must be some unopened fizz in the cupboard under the stairs. There's lovely...
You're a fucking idiot, mate, whether you're a Celt or Chinese.
I've got brown eyes and used to have brown hair. You're not a > Celt. I don't know what you are but you're not a Celt, are you ? You're > something else. It's not your fault and you should not reproach yourself.
All my ancestors came from Scotland. There may have been a bit of filthy German blood that crept in at some point but not as far as I know. I'm probably a lot more Celtic than you are boyo.
My great-grandfather's philosophy was "if you can't beat them with your > hands, kick them". He was a short man who had been gassed while he drove a > team of horses which pulled a big gun. He wasn't too fond of the Germans. He > wasn't a loser but managed to get through his life without tantrums. He was > going to buy me a pony but he died.
Probably just to get away from you.
There were three Nigels in my class in school. We, Welsh, are quite mature, > sensible people and do not judge people by their names. If we did, you would > appear to be someone out of a Marvel comic. or "Neighbours".
