On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:03:09 +1100, Mike Thompson <none.by.e-mail> wrote:
Assuming for a second that Robinson continues to struggle, who's next in >>>line to coach England?>>
Deano ?>>
Is there are glorious return for Sir Clive in the offing?>
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I know for fact that he complted his soccer coaching award today. He's been taking it in the room next to my wife's at her school, Well the theory bit (the rest on their astroturf). So either that was a hobby or he's serious
His argument with the RFU was over player control and ISTM that Robbo is proving the point. Clive is a strategist/ Visionary, Robbo a master of technique. Of course if Clive returns and things get better !
In message <fDYVd.907$tq3.585@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, didgerman <aw990012@hotmail.com> writes>Deano? Hmmmm.....>
Jonathon Webb? He was a clever bloke....not sure about his coaching >credentials, someone from that era for sure....Guscott maybe.....>
Deano for coach. No doubt about it. I love the way he can take the best team in europe and turn them into losers. That's what England need; someone who will make sure Scotland have a chance of winning against them more than once a decade. Having said that, he can't do worse than the loser they've got just now. He couldn't cut it as a player and it seems the same with coaching. At least Deano could play. -- Pete Devlin [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}] "Mind the oranges Marlon!"
Assuming for a second that Robinson continues to struggle, who's next in > line to coach England?
Hopefully somebody who isn't from Bath.
No, not Guscott or Richard Hill thanks.
Deano would be a pick except that he's had rather too much success at club level compared to any recent England coach. Maybe his latest failures in France have put him a little closer to the mark?
Simon Stovin-Bradford 4 March 2005 19:50:54 [ permanent link ]
Having said that, he can't do worse than> the loser they've got just now. He couldn't cut it as a player and it > seems the same with coaching. At least Deano could play.> -- > Pete Devlin> [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}]> "Mind the oranges Marlon!"
Harsh Pete harsh. Robbo was a fine club player, and never let his country down. He'd have had more than his 8 caps, had it not been for a certain Mr Winterbottom. It's a bit of folklore actually - Robbo and his dad were very close - he always used to say he played for him. His dad was blind and used to come to the games with a radio. When his dad died, so did Robbo's playing career.
"Mike Thompson" <none.by.e-mail> wrote in message news:42285c98$0$31621$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...> John Hill wrote:>> On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:46:46 +1100, Mike Thompson <none.by.e-mail>>> wrote:>>
Assuming for a second that Robinson continues to struggle, who's next in >>>line to coach England?>>
Deano ?>>
Is there are glorious return for Sir Clive in the offing?
How could he improve on his record! Second World Cup? Would you take the chance? Cheers LJ.
"Tim Jesson" <tim@nospamthanksthejessons.co.uk> wrote in message news:422867ca$0$99833$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...>> Assuming for a second that Robinson continues to struggle, who's next in >> line to coach England?>
Hopefully somebody who isn't from Bath.>
No, not Guscott or Richard Hill thanks.>
Deano would be a pick except that he's had rather too much success at club > level compared to any recent England coach. Maybe his latest failures in > France have put him a little closer to the mark?>
Cheers,> TJ
How about John Mitchell? He's not doing anything significant right now.
In message <V50Wd.620$EQ3.91@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, didgerman <aw990012@hotmail.com> writes>Turns out my Dad was at school with Robinson's Dad. I saw him play for >Bath many times, as usual Devlin is talking shite...
He tried hard it has to be said but was a journeyman as the kiwis would say. There is a massive difference between club and country. I'm sure he could be a good club coach but he's making a pig's ear of the international job. I don't think my dad went to school with anybody famous (or their dads) but I've been on telly quite a few times. Does that mean I'm a better judge of rugby coaches than the next bloke? I reckon so. Of course actually playing the game helps too. -- Pete Devlin [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}] "Mind the oranges Marlon!"
In message <42289171$0$18016$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>, Tim Jesson <tim@nospamthanksthejessons.co.uk> writes>He takes a losing side to 4 successive ZP's and 2 successive HC's. >Ain't no other coach gonna do that. And the guy has real class in front >of the cameras. No excuses ever.
The way I saw it was that he inherited a winning side (once the international stars were in it) and gradually turned it mediocre. They are recovering now. As for the camera bit I agree, he is class. Trouble was, at the end he was doing little else other than offering no excuses. You'll know more than me but I also got the impression that the senior players had lost confidence in him. Given who they were, an England job would not be on the cards for a while surely? Being a sweaty, such turmoil would delight me! -- Pete Devlin [{//////news03//////at\\\\\secondrow/////co\\\\\uk}] "Mind the oranges Marlon!"
The way I saw it was that he inherited a winning side (once the > international stars were in it) and gradually turned it mediocre. They are > recovering now. As for the camera bit I agree, he is class. Trouble was, > at the end he was doing little else other than offering no excuses. You'll > know more than me but I also got the impression that the senior players > had lost confidence in him. Given who they were, an England job would not > be on the cards for a while surely? Being a sweaty, such turmoil would > delight me!> --
You're probably right Pete about senior players etc. I know Johnson was not impressed with the way Pez kept going missing and was picked ahead of Vesty. Vesty is slowly turning into a real class act so Johnno is IMO right on that one. There were probably other issues like that too.
I'm sure that the mediocrity was not helped with the loss of Murphy, Moody and Healey for the best part of two years. Those guys are essential for the way Leicester play and are extremely gritty and not liable to ever go missing. Can't blame Deano for not having a murphy replacement. Ireland haven't got one!
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:51:02 -0000, "Tim Jesson" <tim@nospamthanksthejessons.co.uk> wrote:
Assuming for a second that Robinson continues to struggle, who's next in >> line to coach England?>
Hopefully somebody who isn't from Bath.>
No, not Guscott or Richard Hill thanks.>
Deano would be a pick except that he's had rather too much success at club >level compared to any recent England coach. Maybe his latest failures in >France have put him a little closer to the mark?
Failure is a relative term. Grenoble's first objective is to not be relegated. I'm not sure how many go down from the top division this year, but presumably Auch are favourites to go down, and it's a bit of a dogfight if more than one goes. Presumably the scoring is the same as S12/HC etc with bonus points?
I think going somewhere far away in culture terms was exactly what Richards needed if he's to be a strong candidate for the England spot in due course. The last interview I read, he was having a wonderful time working far fewer hours than at Leicester, by law!
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:46:17 +0000, pete devlin <spamtrap@secondrow.co.uk> wrote:
In message <fDYVd.907$tq3.585@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, didgerman ><aw990012@hotmail.com> writes>>Deano? Hmmmm.....>>
Jonathon Webb? He was a clever bloke....not sure about his coaching >>credentials, someone from that era for sure....Guscott maybe.....>>
Deano for coach. No doubt about it. I love the way he can take the best >team in europe and turn them into losers.
Really Pete, you should be ashamed of such a ridiculous troll.
That's what England need; >someone who will make sure Scotland have a chance of winning against >them more than once a decade. Having said that, he can't do worse than >the loser they've got just now. He couldn't cut it as a player and it >seems the same with coaching. At least Deano could play.
It was Robinson's bad luck to be around at the same time as Winterbottom, and then to be in the England "Big Backrow" period, when Ben Clark was openside, for heaven's sake. One of the key games in England becoming competitive in the 5Ns was the 11-0 win v France in 89. If you ever saw that game, you wouldn't think Robinson couldn't play.
Robinson's record is comparable with Woodward's at this stage of his tenure, with the disadvantage of having fewer established players than Woodward did at that stage.
His argument with the RFU was over player control and ISTM that Robbo> is proving the point. Clive is a strategist/ Visionary, Robbo a master> of technique.
Based on his record, 'master' isn't quite the right word...
"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message news:38s0mcF5tj664U1@individual.net...>
His argument with the RFU was over player control and ISTM that Robbo>> is proving the point. Clive is a strategist/ Visionary, Robbo a master>> of technique.>
Based on his record, 'master' isn't quite the right word...>
His record goes back to before his current post, and it ain't bad....
His argument with the RFU was over player control and ISTM that Robbo>>> is proving the point. Clive is a strategist/ Visionary, Robbo a master>>> of technique.>>
Based on his record, 'master' isn't quite the right word...>>
His record goes back to before his current post, and it ain't bad....
Mike Thompson wrote:> Assuming for a second that Robinson continues to struggle, who's next
line to coach England?
He's not struggling. The team are a bit but nothing untoward, results will come and they will be stronger for the setbacks of this period.
I agree with Nick Farr-Jones who said during the Hemipsheres game that he hoped that England wouldn't do what New Zealand do and "panic - start sacking coaches, changing captains".
He added that we (i.e. everyone else) used to rely on England peaking between world cups and there are worrying signs that they might have got it right.
On 7 Mar 2005 03:15:14 -0800, "Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote:
Mike Thompson wrote:>> Assuming for a second that Robinson continues to struggle, who's next>in>> line to coach England?>
He's not struggling. The team are a bit but nothing untoward, results>will come and they will be stronger for the setbacks of this period.>
I agree with Nick Farr-Jones who said during the Hemipsheres game that>he hoped that England wouldn't do what New Zealand do and "panic ->start sacking coaches, changing captains".>
He added that we (i.e. everyone else) used to rely on England peaking>between world cups and there are worrying signs that they might have>got it right.>
100% in agreement with all of that.>
Cheers>
UD
Come on Dave the team has forgotten how to win, and Robbo is a technician rather than a visionary. But he has also had the worst luck in terms of injury and availability.
Tindall instead of Tait, Wilkinson instead of Hodgson, Hill instead of Worsley ?
He added that we (i.e. everyone else) used to rely on England peaking> between world cups and there are worrying signs that they might have> got it right.
"rick boyd" <boyd@comswest.net.au> wrote in message news:422c5e7c$1@quokka.wn.com.au...> Uncle Dave wrote:>
He added that we (i.e. everyone else) used to rely on England peaking>> between world cups and there are worrying signs that they might have>> got it right.>
On 7 Mar 2005 07:52:44 -0800, "Uncle Dave" <davidcovey@t-online.de> wrote:
<Come on Dave the team has forgotten how to win, and Robbo is a>technician rather than a visionary.>>
Are you trying to curry favour for an application to emigrate to NZ or>something?!>
UD
LOL. I'm trying to be a realist. SCW was not a technician and initially didn't give a jot for the forwards (still not sure that he does). He became more realistic (seasoned perhaps) over time.
Robbo is too grounded for that, and perhaps lacks the essential management skills. SCW had a succesful business career in Rank Xerox and then in a large leasing company before forming his own company.
Robbo was a school teacher. A non entrepeneurial mindset. But Robbo is a great technician and very passionate; a different style and I'm not sure his skills will translate.
