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GYXU > Rugby > John Dawes socks ? 22 November 2007 11:34:15

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John Dawes socks ?

Baldoni 22 November 2007 11:34:15
 This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?


Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.

http://youtube.com/­watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA

http://www.thebarba­rians.co.uk/video/vi­deo_view.cfm?videoID­=4

But why the green socks ?

--
Count Baldoni


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Baldoni 21 November 2007 01:36:22 permanent link ]
 Mike brought next idea :
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Mike

I have a problem with OCD and it has been nagging me for 2 days since I
watched the video again. But what a game and played in the spirit of
the rugby of the old era.

I don't agree with titles but when they chuck them around I can not
figure out why Gareth Edwards never received a Knighthood when lesser
men got them.

To get 50 caps was a hell of an achievment when he was playing (15 was
considered a lot) and he scored 20 try's. Off the field he has been a
great ambassador for the game.

--
Count Baldoni


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William A. T. Clark 21 November 2007 03:41:17 permanent link ]
 In article <mn.a54c7d7ba2b4561­e.81063@gmail.co>,
Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:

Mike brought next idea :
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Mike
I have a problem with OCD and it has been nagging me for 2 days since I
watched the video again. But what a game and played in the spirit of
the rugby of the old era.

As I watch this game (as I do quite often), I am struck by two things.
One, the lack of piano movers cluttering up the middle of the park.
Under these old laws, forwards stayed involved around the ruck and maul,
and didn't suddenly think they were the latest wing sensation. Ergo,
much more space in midfield for the piano players to get on with the
game.

Secondly, the handling skills of these players. There are several
occasions when the ball is passed down the line to the wing at lightning
speed - like nothing you see in today's game. Now, some will argue that
the loop pass does the same thing, but to my mind the loop pass allows
the defensive player who is missed out to simply crab across the field,
and deprive the ultimate ball carrier of room. Quick hands, well timed,
make every defensive back commit (or be dummied), and so leaves the
final ball carrier with more space.

It seems to me that the modern rules that allow extensive use of the
hands after the tackle, deprive the tackling team of the real chance to
win possession at the breakdown (unlike 1973), so they stand around the
fringes and generally make the place look untidy. And when are they
going to do something about this ridiculous nonsense where the team that
recycles at the ruck stops dead with the ball in front of the rear foot
for an age, while more piano movers line up for a one yard plunge, and
we repeat this all over again? If they really want a rule change, it
should be a "use it or lose" law right here. The new experimental laws
seem to me to not just perpetuate, but encourage more of this. God help
us!
I don't agree with titles but when they chuck them around I can not
figure out why Gareth Edwards never received a Knighthood when lesser
men got them.

I agree, the best of them all. Quick as a sprinter (national schools
high hurdles champion), and strong as a bull.

WIlliam Clark
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Neilsons 21 November 2007 09:12:55 permanent link ]
 
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.

Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though. Maybe
that's where the All Blacks got it from?

Cheers, aMtt


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Didgerman 21 November 2007 12:41:59 permanent link ]
 Neilsons wrote:
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though. Maybe
that's where the All Blacks got it from?
Cheers, aMtt

Indeed. The Welsh attacking play of *that* Lions tour has been emulated
in NZ ever since.
It wasn't that far forward for those days. Pre camera rails, TMO etc etc.
Can we skip the 4 weeks whinging about it?
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William A. T. Clark 21 November 2007 16:06:08 permanent link ]
 In article <H3T0j.884$B97.25@n­ewsfe7-win.ntli.net>­,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:

Neilsons wrote:
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though. Maybe
that's where the All Blacks got it from?
Cheers, aMtt
Indeed. The Welsh attacking play of *that* Lions tour has been emulated
in NZ ever since.
It wasn't that far forward for those days. Pre camera rails, TMO etc etc.
Can we skip the 4 weeks whinging about it?

Indeed, I understand that the referee that day was an uncle of Wayne
Barnes, and taught him everything he knew about reffing.

William Clark
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Didgerman 21 November 2007 16:15:47 permanent link ]
 William A. T. Clark wrote:
In article <H3T0j.884$B97.25@n­ewsfe7-win.ntli.net>­,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:
Neilsons wrote:
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though. Maybe
that's where the All Blacks got it from?
Cheers, aMtt
Indeed. The Welsh attacking play of *that* Lions tour has been emulated
in NZ ever since.
It wasn't that far forward for those days. Pre camera rails, TMO etc etc.
Can we skip the 4 weeks whinging about it?
Indeed, I understand that the referee that day was an uncle of Wayne
Barnes, and taught him everything he knew about reffing.
William Clark

No doubt.
Good to see a golden oldie game again though eh?
The pace, the vision, the high tackling.....
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William A. T. Clark 21 November 2007 17:01:37 permanent link ]
 In article <7cW0j.27308$ib1.21­04@newsfe3-win.ntli.­net>,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:

William A. T. Clark wrote:
In article <H3T0j.884$B97.25@n­ewsfe7-win.ntli.net>­,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:
Neilsons wrote:
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though. Maybe
that's where the All Blacks got it from?
Cheers, aMtt
Indeed. The Welsh attacking play of *that* Lions tour has been emulated
in NZ ever since.
It wasn't that far forward for those days. Pre camera rails, TMO etc etc.
Can we skip the 4 weeks whinging about it?
Indeed, I understand that the referee that day was an uncle of Wayne
Barnes, and taught him everything he knew about reffing.
William Clark
No doubt.
Good to see a golden oldie game again though eh?
The pace, the vision, the high tackling.....

Yes, bloody marvellous. And those sideburns . . .

William Clark
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Didgerman 21 November 2007 17:07:34 permanent link ]
 William A. T. Clark wrote:
In article <7cW0j.27308$ib1.21­04@newsfe3-win.ntli.­net>,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:
William A. T. Clark wrote:
In article <H3T0j.884$B97.25@n­ewsfe7-win.ntli.net>­,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:
Neilsons wrote:
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though. Maybe
that's where the All Blacks got it from?
Cheers, aMtt
Indeed. The Welsh attacking play of *that* Lions tour has been emulated
in NZ ever since.
It wasn't that far forward for those days. Pre camera rails, TMO etc etc.
Can we skip the 4 weeks whinging about it?
Indeed, I understand that the referee that day was an uncle of Wayne
Barnes, and taught him everything he knew about reffing.
William Clark
No doubt.
Good to see a golden oldie game again though eh?
The pace, the vision, the high tackling.....
Yes, bloody marvellous. And those sideburns . . .
William Clark

JPR never needed shin pads, his sideburns gave all the protection you'd
need....
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Greig Blanchett 21 November 2007 18:24:29 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:41:17 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clarknospam@mascen­g.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
[...]
And when are they
going to do something about this ridiculous nonsense where the team that
recycles at the ruck stops dead with the ball in front of the rear foot
for an age, while more piano movers line up for a one yard plunge, and
we repeat this all over again? If they really want a rule change, it
should be a "use it or lose" law right here. The new experimental laws
seem to me to not just perpetuate, but encourage more of this. God help
us!

Sometimes you're quite a sensible chap, William. I totally second that
emotion.

--
greig
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River Tramp 21 November 2007 21:33:29 permanent link ]
 Name dropping here, but in the early 70's went to see London Welsh play at
Old Deer Park. Usual load of Lions players, & after the game went into the
clubhouse for a cup of tea. Got in the queue, and found it was John Dawes
serving the teas and collecting the sixpences.

Having started watching/playing rugby because of the 71' Lions, I still
remember it as one of my best rugby memories.

IanC


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Baldoni 22 November 2007 01:20:48 permanent link ]
 It happens that William A. T. Clark formulated :
In article <7cW0j.27308$ib1.21­04@newsfe3-win.ntli.­net>,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:
William A. T. Clark wrote:
In article <H3T0j.884$B97.25@n­ewsfe7-win.ntli.net>­,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:
Neilsons wrote:
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though. Maybe
that's where the All Blacks got it from?
Cheers, aMtt
Indeed. The Welsh attacking play of *that* Lions tour has been emulated
in NZ ever since.
It wasn't that far forward for those days. Pre camera rails, TMO etc etc.
Can we skip the 4 weeks whinging about it?
Indeed, I understand that the referee that day was an uncle of Wayne
Barnes, and taught him everything he knew about reffing.
William Clark
No doubt.
Good to see a golden oldie game again though eh?
The pace, the vision, the high tackling.....
Yes, bloody marvellous. And those sideburns . . .
William Clark

JPR had a decent set of lamb chops. I thought he was great but years
later he fixed my old mans back and he said he was an aloof bugger. My
cousin was in the Army and played him in squash and said he was not the
man he thought him to be, putting it nicely.

--
Count Baldoni


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Baldoni 22 November 2007 01:26:45 permanent link ]
 didgerman explained on 21/11/2007 :
William A. T. Clark wrote:
In article <7cW0j.27308$ib1.21­04@newsfe3-win.ntli.­net>,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:
William A. T. Clark wrote:
In article <H3T0j.884$B97.25@n­ewsfe7-win.ntli.net>­,
didgerman <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote:
Neilsons wrote:
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though.
Maybe that's where the All Blacks got it from?
Cheers, aMtt
Indeed. The Welsh attacking play of *that* Lions tour has been emulated
in NZ ever since.
It wasn't that far forward for those days. Pre camera rails, TMO etc
etc.
Can we skip the 4 weeks whinging about it?
Indeed, I understand that the referee that day was an uncle of Wayne
Barnes, and taught him everything he knew about reffing.
William Clark
No doubt.
Good to see a golden oldie game again though eh?
The pace, the vision, the high tackling.....
Yes, bloody marvellous. And those sideburns . . .
William Clark
JPR never needed shin pads, his sideburns gave all the protection you'd
need....

Back in the day there were 2 players I loved watching as a young boy.
One was JPR and the other was Jean Pierre Rives. I saw JPR shunt this
Frenchman into touch as he was about to go over for a try and I think
he knocked him into row 29.

He was scared of nothing although a poor kicker of the ball. He could
have become a tennis player instead having won the mens final of Junior
Wimbledon, but he wished to become a surgeon. He would often go over to
look at injured opposition players but would never decide if a player
should go off.

--
Count Baldoni


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Baldoni 22 November 2007 01:28:38 permanent link ]
 River Tramp formulated on Wednesday :
Name dropping here, but in the early 70's went to see London Welsh play at
Old Deer Park. Usual load of Lions players, & after the game went into the
clubhouse for a cup of tea. Got in the queue, and found it was John Dawes
serving the teas and collecting the sixpences.
Having started watching/playing rugby because of the 71' Lions, I still
remember it as one of my best rugby memories.
IanC

I think they had about 7 British Lions there at one time ! I think
Dawes is still the president of the club.

--
Count Baldoni


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Neilsons 22 November 2007 11:34:15 permanent link ]
 
"didgerman" <didgerman@rfu.com>­ wrote in message
news:H3T0j.884$B97.­25@newsfe7-win.ntli.­net...
Neilsons wrote:
"Mike" <mikeloveschampagne­andrugby@googlemail.­com> wrote in message
news:988dd438-d115-­4e74-bed4-2555ac02f2­d7@a28g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
On 20 Nov, 20:34, Baldoni <baldoniXXIV<niente­spam>@gmail.com> wrote:
This may seem trivial but we all know that when playing for the
Barbarians the players wear their club socks. Why then is the 1973
captain John Dawes wearing green socks against New Zealand ?
Here Dawes contributes to the greatest try ever scored.
But why the green socks ?
--
Count Baldoni
Maybe they matched the coulour of eyes, maybe his other socks were in
the wash.
Three things are certain it was a great try, the final attempt at a
tackle was high (an offence ine in the 70s) and I don't care what
socks he wore or why.
Forward passes obviously weren't an offence in the NH then though. Maybe
that's where the All Blacks got it from?
Cheers, aMtt
Indeed. The Welsh attacking play of *that* Lions tour has been emulated in
NZ ever since.
It wasn't that far forward for those days. Pre camera rails, TMO etc etc.
Can we skip the 4 weeks whinging about it?

4 weeks? We've been going for near on 35 years about that one!

Cheers, aMtt


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