The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home > despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.
Good quote from McCaw though:
,---- | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation | and we do it for ourselves. `----
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka does indeed get their blood going.
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>
Good quote from McCaw though:>
,----> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation> | and we do it for ourselves.> `---->
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka> does indeed get their blood going.
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home>> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>
Good quote from McCaw though:>
,----> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation> | and we do it for ourselves.
very good idea that has been suggested many times on rsc.
Uncle Bully 26 November 2006 00:22:20 [ permanent link ]
"didgerman" <didgerman@rfu.com> wrote in message news:C12ah.31609$Xh3.15014@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...> Walter Mitty wrote:>> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> writes:>>
So the Welsh tried to play childish games and ended up with egg on their >>> face.>>>
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >>> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>>
Good quote from McCaw though:>>
,---->> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the>> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation>> | and we do it for ourselves.>> `---->>
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the>> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka>> does indeed get their blood going.>
Exactly why other teams should ignore it.
You are dead right Didge, if you don't like it, just ignore it (seriously). Anytime you give it attention, either good or bad, it just gives the AB's more power. What a shame that foreign coaches and press are too stupid to realise this. It has been a fantastic strategic move by HenryCorp to draw attention to the Haka, I bet the AB coaching staff are laughing their arses off at how easily the plan worked.
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home>> >> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>> >
Good quote from McCaw though:>> >
,---->> > | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the>> > | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation>> > | and we do it for ourselves.>>
very good idea that has been suggested many times on rsc.>>
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And yet they're getting critcised for doing it.
by whom exactly? It's a good idea perform the haka in the dressing room and let the Welsh sing Hen Wlad fy Nhadau in the dressing room. Seems that ABs wanted the Haka but not a response. Precious little prats
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the>> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka>> does indeed get their blood going.>
Exactly why other teams should ignore it.
Actually, the best reaction I've seen (besides doing your own dance back at them) was one of the England backs (Wilkinson?) some years back, who stood there, watching with fascination, and obviously enjoying the whole thing.
Nogood Boyo 26 November 2006 01:00:02 [ permanent link ]
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 at 14:40:52 in rec.sport.rugby.union huwgareth@my-deja.com wrote:>As long as I can remember, the haka happened after the anthems, just>before kickoff. Just because it happened at a different point on a few>isolated instances doesn't mean that Wales had history on their side.
AIUI the whole tradition of anthems at internationals started because Wales *responded* to the Haka with an impromptu rendition of the Welsh anthem in 1905. So if you want to bring history into it, Wales have a pretty strong case. I'm sad that posturing prevented its performance on the field today and that the crowd was left wondering what the hell was going on.
Grumpyoldhori 26 November 2006 01:00:02 [ permanent link ]
dechucka wrote:
by whom exactly? It's a good idea perform the haka in the dressing room> and let the Welsh sing Hen Wlad fy Nhadau in the dressing room. Seems that> ABs wanted the Haka but not a response. Precious little prats
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 at 14:40:52 in rec.sport.rugby.union> huwgareth@my-deja.com wrote:> >As long as I can remember, the haka happened after the anthems, just> >before kickoff. Just because it happened at a different point on a few> >isolated instances doesn't mean that Wales had history on their side.>
AIUI the whole tradition of anthems at internationals started because> Wales *responded* to the Haka with an impromptu rendition of the Welsh> anthem in 1905. So if you want to bring history into it, Wales have a> pretty strong case. I'm sad that posturing prevented its performance on> the field today and that the crowd was left wondering what the hell was> going on. >
--> Nogood Boyo
"So if you want to bring history into it, Wales have a pretty strong case." Really?
Remind us again, how often it's worked for Wales, against New Zealand?
Grumpyoldhori 26 November 2006 01:00:02 [ permanent link ]
dechucka wrote:
Seems the Welsh had NZ culture and history on their side. ""The WRU have> also been advised by a top Maori expert and cultural adviser that the haka> is performed to invite a response from the opposing team and were told to> stand strong in front of the All Blacks, be defiant, eyeball them and sing> in a way that says `this is us, this is who we are, we're tangata whenua',> which means the traditional owners and protectors of the land.
Oh dear,we have a pommy prat trying to give lessons in Maori culture to posters who are rather suntanned. So which Iwi did Wales dig that so called Kaumatua up from?. One based in wales? Stick to the English culture of morris dancing.
Grumpyoldhori 26 November 2006 01:00:02 [ permanent link ]
huwgareth@my-deja.com wrote:
One thing pointed out to me was that the haka is supposed to be led by> the oldest Maori on the pitch. Wasn't this Sonny Parker, anyway?>
Do give this old Maori further lessons on my culture. Who stated the AB haka has to be lead by a Maori. Good to run into an expert on the customs of the Te cuzzy-bro.
Seems the Welsh had NZ culture and history on their side. ""The WRU have> > also been advised by a top Maori expert and cultural adviser that the haka> > is performed to invite a response from the opposing team and were told to> > stand strong in front of the All Blacks, be defiant, eyeball them and sing> > in a way that says `this is us, this is who we are, we're tangata whenua',> > which means the traditional owners and protectors of the land.>
Oh dear,we have a pommy prat trying to give lessons in Maori> culture to posters who are rather suntanned.> So which Iwi did Wales dig that so called Kaumatua up from?.> One based in wales?> Stick to the English culture of morris dancing.>
"grumpyoldhori" <grumpyoldhori@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ekajfb$2br$3@news.datemas.de...> dechucka wrote:>
by whom exactly? It's a good idea perform the haka in the dressing room>> and let the Welsh sing Hen Wlad fy Nhadau in the dressing room. Seems >> that>> ABs wanted the Haka but not a response. Precious little prats>
Try winning little prats.
they did! as they should they are the best team in the world, so good on them. However what this has to do with the haka and the ABs being precious little prats I don't know.
Nogood Boyo 26 November 2006 01:00:02 [ permanent link ]
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 at 12:31:45 in rec.sport.rugby.union Jack wrote:>Nogood Boyo wrote:>>
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 at 14:40:52 in rec.sport.rugby.union>> huwgareth@my-deja.com wrote:>> >As long as I can remember, the haka happened after the anthems, just>> >before kickoff. Just because it happened at a different point on a few>> >isolated instances doesn't mean that Wales had history on their side.>>
AIUI the whole tradition of anthems at internationals started because>> Wales *responded* to the Haka with an impromptu rendition of the Welsh>> anthem in 1905. So if you want to bring history into it, Wales have a>> pretty strong case. I'm sad that posturing prevented its performance on>> the field today and that the crowd was left wondering what the hell was>> going on. >>
"So if you want to bring history into it, Wales have a>pretty strong case." Really?>
Remind us again, how often it's worked for Wales, against>New Zealand?>
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 at 12:31:45 in rec.sport.rugby.union Jack wrote:> >Nogood Boyo wrote:> >>
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 at 14:40:52 in rec.sport.rugby.union> >> huwgareth@my-deja.com wrote:> >> >As long as I can remember, the haka happened after the anthems, just> >> >before kickoff. Just because it happened at a different point on a few> >> >isolated instances doesn't mean that Wales had history on their side.> >>
AIUI the whole tradition of anthems at internationals started because> >> Wales *responded* to the Haka with an impromptu rendition of the Welsh> >> anthem in 1905. So if you want to bring history into it, Wales have a> >> pretty strong case. I'm sad that posturing prevented its performance on> >> the field today and that the crowd was left wondering what the hell was> >> going on. > >>
"So if you want to bring history into it, Wales have a> >pretty strong case." Really?> >
Remind us again, how often it's worked for Wales, against> >New Zealand?> >
Non sequitur...>
--> Nogood Boyo
Exactly, singing the Welsh national anthem has seldom been followed by victory over New Zealand. Whereas...
Walter Mitty 26 November 2006 01:00:02 [ permanent link ]
huwgareth@my-deja.com writes:
It probably doesn't belong in the professional era, because it does (in> a way) give an edge, and in professional sports sides try to get every> edge that they can. I think that the ABs saw it as an edge as well, and> have exaggerated the haka accordingly.
Shh. Some posters assured me they have been at the receiving end and the delivering end and that theory is hogwash. Richie McCaw disagrees, but what would he know?
That being said, if it disappears as a result of this, I'll miss it.> I'm sorry that we couldn't find a way to work this out and preserve one> of the traditions of rugby in a professional era where less and less> of
There was a way : for the Welsh RFU not to be such dickheads.
the sport is linked with the past. I'm also ashamed that Wales were the> ones doing this, and I'd much prefer that some other team had taken> this step rather than us. It's a sorry situation that reflects poorly> on Wales, perhaps on NZ too, and certainly on rugby in general.
Grumpyoldhori 26 November 2006 01:00:02 [ permanent link ]
dechucka wrote:
The IRB and the fans would have got a bit upset I suppose. However what> has this got to do with the ABs not liking the scheduling of their> prematch entertainment.
Being English you miss the point,the game is the entertainment the haka is done for the ABs. Better option,just tell the AB management that the sensitive Welsh are rather afraid of the haka,and could they not do it on the pitch.
"Walter Mitty" <mitticus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8764d3rs1a.fsf@gmail.com...> huwgareth@my-deja.com writes:>
It probably doesn't belong in the professional era, because it does (in>> a way) give an edge, and in professional sports sides try to get every>> edge that they can. I think that the ABs saw it as an edge as well, and>> have exaggerated the haka accordingly.>
Shh. Some posters assured me they have been at the receiving end and the> delivering end and that theory is hogwash. Richie McCaw disagrees, but> what would he know?>
That being said, if it disappears as a result of this, I'll miss it.>> I'm sorry that we couldn't find a way to work this out and preserve one>> of the traditions of rugby in a professional era where less and less>> of>
There was a way : for the Welsh RFU not to be such dickheads.
or for the ABs to not be such precious prats and be rude to their hosts
the sport is linked with the past. I'm also ashamed that Wales were the>> ones doing this, and I'd much prefer that some other team had taken>> this step rather than us. It's a sorry situation that reflects poorly>> on Wales, perhaps on NZ too, and certainly on rugby in general.>
Not on NZ I think.
certainly does shows what precious prats they are. If they don't get their own way they go off and sulk. Reminds me of the whole WC cohosting debacle
"didgerman" <didgerman@rfu.com> wrote in message news:C12ah.31609$Xh3.15014@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...> Walter Mitty wrote:>> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> writes:>>
So the Welsh tried to play childish games and ended up with egg on their >>> face.>>>
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >>> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>>
Good quote from McCaw though:>>
,---->> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the>> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation>> | and we do it for ourselves.>> `---->>
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the>> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka>> does indeed get their blood going.>
Exactly why other teams should ignore it.
Why not utilise it ? Why not use it to help their own teams focus ? Surely at this level of rugby a team is not so easily
I wonder what a world clas kicker would feel when lining up a shot at the posts and the stadium is making so much noise you can't hear anything but the din.
At this level if the team is not mentally prepared and able then surely they should not be playing at this level. Bring the game back to the field and move away from the half arsed journo's who for some reason think they know more.
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:22:20 +1100, "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote:
"didgerman" <didgerman@rfu.com> wrote in message >news:C12ah.31609$Xh3.15014@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...>> Walter Mitty wrote:>>> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> writes:>>>
So the Welsh tried to play childish games and ended up with egg on their >>>> face.>>>>
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >>>> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>>>
Good quote from McCaw though:>>>
,---->>> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the>>> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation>>> | and we do it for ourselves.>>> `---->>>
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>>>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the>>> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka>>> does indeed get their blood going.>>
Exactly why other teams should ignore it.>
You are dead right Didge, if you don't like it, just ignore it (seriously). >Anytime you give it attention, either good or bad, it just gives the AB's >more power.>What a shame that foreign coaches and press are too stupid to realise this. >It has been a fantastic strategic move by HenryCorp to draw attention to the >Haka, I bet the AB coaching staff are laughing their arses off at how easily >the plan worked.>
Ah... the old Maxwell Smart double counter bluff, and we never saw it coming! ;o)
"grumpyoldhori" <grumpyoldhori@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ekamif$a34$1@news.datemas.de...> dechucka wrote:>
The IRB and the fans would have got a bit upset I suppose. However what>> has this got to do with the ABs not liking the scheduling of their>> prematch entertainment.>
Being English you miss the point,the game is the entertainment> the haka is done for the ABs.> Better option,just tell the AB management that the sensitive Welsh> are rather afraid of the haka,and could they not do it on the pitch.>
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hear hear!! grumpyoldgeorge.
One thing pointed out to me was that the haka is supposed to be led by>> the oldest Maori on the pitch. Wasn't this Sonny Parker, anyway?>>
Do give this old Maori further lessons on my culture.> Who stated the AB haka has to be lead by a Maori.> Good to run into an expert on the customs of the > Te cuzzy-bro.
I can think of two non-Maori All Blacks (Tana Umaga and Richie McCaw) who have led the haka in recent years.
Uncle Bully 26 November 2006 11:20:53 [ permanent link ]
"Mungbean" <mungbean@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message news:ekanr5$ql2$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...>
"didgerman" <didgerman@rfu.com> wrote in message > news:C12ah.31609$Xh3.15014@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...>> Walter Mitty wrote:>>> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> writes:>>>
So the Welsh tried to play childish games and ended up with egg on >>>> their face.>>>>
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >>>> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>>>
Good quote from McCaw though:>>>
,---->>> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the>>> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation>>> | and we do it for ourselves.>>> `---->>>
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>>>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the>>> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka>>> does indeed get their blood going.>>
Exactly why other teams should ignore it.>
Why not utilise it ? Why not use it to help their own teams focus ?
Well a smart coach would. Unfortunately for everyone outside of NZ, their coaches are all fairly ordinary sorts.
Surely at this level of rugby a team is not so easily>
I wonder what a world clas kicker would feel when lining up a shot at the > posts and the stadium is making so much noise you can't hear anything but > the din.>
At this level if the team is not mentally prepared and able then surely > they should not be playing at this level. Bring the game back to the field > and move away from the> half arsed journo's who for some reason think they know more.>
Uncle Bully 26 November 2006 11:40:01 [ permanent link ]
"dechucka" <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message news:4568d48a$0$24705$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...>
"grumpyoldhori" <grumpyoldhori@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ekajfb$2br$3@news.datemas.de...>> dechucka wrote:>>
by whom exactly? It's a good idea perform the haka in the dressing room>>> and let the Welsh sing Hen Wlad fy Nhadau in the dressing room. Seems >>> that>>> ABs wanted the Haka but not a response. Precious little prats>>
Try winning little prats.>
they did! as they should they are the best team in the world, so good on > them. However what this has to do with the haka and the ABs being precious > little prats I don't know.
You sure you don't have a English gradparent somewhere?
"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message news:45694e65$0$5743$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...>
"Mungbean" <mungbean@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message > news:ekanr5$ql2$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...>>
"didgerman" <didgerman@rfu.com> wrote in message >> news:C12ah.31609$Xh3.15014@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...>>> Walter Mitty wrote:>>>> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> writes:>>>>
So the Welsh tried to play childish games and ended up with egg on >>>>> their face.>>>>>
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >>>>> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>>>>
Good quote from McCaw though:>>>>
,---->>>> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the>>>> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation>>>> | and we do it for ourselves.>>>> `---->>>>
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>>>>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the>>>> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka>>>> does indeed get their blood going.>>>
Exactly why other teams should ignore it.>>
Why not utilise it ? Why not use it to help their own teams focus ?>
Well a smart coach would. Unfortunately for everyone outside of NZ, their > coaches are all fairly ordinary sorts.>
Where are they then ? I recall as a boy waking up for the test - played early morning (in those days in NZ it was the good ol B & W telly) I remember watching the games against England & like. It would be two great teams and on the field it was all out battle and afterwards it was best mates.
We seem to have lost that special ingredient - maybe it has become too commercial.
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home> > despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>
Good quote from McCaw though:>
,----> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation> | and we do it for ourselves.> `---->
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka> does indeed get their blood going.
And the habit at Murrayfield of the visiting team running on first, being left ignored and a piper playing Highland Cathedral at volume for at least a minute before Scotland run out between pillars of fire and to the firing of a field gun has no effect on the Scots?
Bleating about the Haka is just sour grapes that others have nothing equivalent to answer it. I haven't seen any bleating for eg about the equivalent the PI team did at Murrayfield last week (nice theatrical touch with the firmly planted flag btw). Why not? they aren't beating people by thumping amounts, yet.
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"ruggeryoda" <ruggeryoda@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1164608346.686152.35310@45g2000cws.googlegroups.com...>> I believe that most people in the rugby community in Wales would agree>> with me. However, the WRU has never listened to them before, and it is>> unlikely that they will start now.>
What happens when the AB's play another team that has their own> wardance i.e. Fidji? Who gets to do their one last?
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >>despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>
Good quote from McCaw though:>
,----> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation> | and we do it for ourselves.> `---->
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?
Where did I say that? My claim was that the opposition can also get something from facing a haka.
IIRC yours was that it was an invaluable warm up tool - ie physiological, not psychological.
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka> does indeed get their blood going.
If anything, doing it in the changing room gives more of an advantage to the All Blacks not less.
"Sean Byrne" <byrne_sean_spamtrap@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ekej6q$mi2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
If anything, doing it in the changing room gives more of an advantage to > the All Blacks not less.
Exactly, when I saw them doing the haka in the shed surrounded by All Blacks staff and management I laughed and said to myself "this is going to be a bath..."
Peter Ashby 27 November 2006 15:40:08 [ permanent link ]
Peter Ashford <peter.m.ashford@gmail.com> wrote:
dechucka wrote:> > "ruggeryoda" <ruggeryoda@gmail.com> wrote in message> > news:1164608346.686152.35310@45g2000cws.googlegroups.com...> > >> I believe that most people in the rugby community in Wales would agree> > >> with me. However, the WRU has never listened to them before, and it is> > >> unlikely that they will start now.> > >
What happens when the AB's play another team that has their own> > > wardance i.e. Fidji? Who gets to do their one last?> >
the ABs or they'll do it in the shed> > >
Wrong again, Chucky. You really sound like you have an axe to grind> there, you know.>
When two teams with traditional challenges meet, they do the challenges> simultaneously. It's rather cool.
Especially when the Island teams do it, theirs advance and the two teams end up nose to nose across the centre line. One of the great spectacles of the World cup is the opportunity for those who don't get to see south Pacific rugby to see this.
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The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >>> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>>
Good quote from McCaw though:>>
,---->> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the>> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation>> | and we do it for ourselves.>> `---->>
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>
Where did I say that? My claim was that the opposition can also get > something from facing a haka.
Agreed>
IIRC yours was that it was an invaluable warm up tool - ie > physiological, not psychological.>
And a cool down tool for the opposition standing around watching >>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the>> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka>> does indeed get their blood going.>
If anything, doing it in the changing room gives more of an advantage to > the All Blacks not less.>
Also agreed.
I was reading the John Robbie (capped for Ireland and Lions, almost for Boks, my brother was married to his sister) autobiography this weekend.
Very interesting, including the difference between warm-ups in Ireland and S. Africa. Former was all head banging blood and guts stuff, latter was completely the opposite, although prayers in private AFTER the game.
Maybe there should be public prayers after the anthems, including weiring of veils, turbans etc....
The ABs managed to sqeak in their biggest score against Wales at home >>> despite playing with 14 men for 21 minutes.>>
Good quote from McCaw though:>>
,---->> | If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the Haka in the>> | shed. At the end of the day, the Haka is about spiritual preparation>> | and we do it for ourselves.>> `---->>
Where's Byrne and his denial that the Haka gives the NZ'rs the edge?>
Where did I say that? My claim was that the opposition can also get > something from facing a haka.
That's a matter of opinion, some may get more from ignoring it...
IIRC yours was that it was an invaluable warm up tool - ie > physiological, not psychological.>
Its madness to deny it : and the worlds best rugby player and the>> captain of the worlds best team seems to agree with me that the Haka>> does indeed get their blood going.>
If anything, doing it in the changing room gives more of an advantage to > the All Blacks not less.>
