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Ric Flair is overrated. Discuss.

Google Beta User 28 February 2005 01:17:55
 He's good, but not among the G.O.A.T. group of Rock, Hogan, Austin,
HBK, Bret Hart and even Angle.

Why? He was not as versatile as HBK, Austin, Bret Hart or Angle nor the
industry trancsending/transf­orming appeal of Hogan, Austin or Rock.

I'd put him in a 2nd tier group that includes Foley and the Undertaker.

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C The Shocker 28 February 2005 01:51:39 [ permanent link ]
 "Google Beta User" <majiin99@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1109539075.510­674.231410@g14g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..> He's good, but not among the G.O.A.T. group of Rock, Hogan, Austin,> HBK, Bret Hart and even Angle.>
Why? He was not as versatile as HBK, Austin, Bret Hart or Angle nor the> industry trancsending/transf­orming appeal of Hogan, Austin or Rock.>
I'd put him in a 2nd tier group that includes Foley and the Undertaker.

This might be a candidate for most ridiculous post on RSPW ever.

--
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Never trust a big butt and a smile!


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Mattitude Follower 28 February 2005 02:06:09 [ permanent link ]
 
"C The Shocker" <chrispdx@comcast.F­UCKOFFSPAMMERS.net> wrote in message
news:Vq6dnepAxf533b­_fRVn-pQ@comcast.com­...> "Google Beta User" <majiin99@cs.com> wrote in message> news:1109539075.510­674.231410@g14g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..> > He's good, but not among the G.O.A.T. group of Rock, Hogan, Austin,> > HBK, Bret Hart and even Angle.> >
Why? He was not as versatile as HBK, Austin, Bret Hart or Angle nor the> > industry trancsending/transf­orming appeal of Hogan, Austin or Rock.> >
I'd put him in a 2nd tier group that includes Foley and the Undertaker.>
This might be a candidate for most ridiculous post on RSPW ever.>
--> C The Shocker> Never trust a big butt and a smile!>

C The Shocker brings his needed voice of reason to another thread.

Ric Flair overrated? Anybody who thinks that is retarded. Plain and simple.


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ViNNY 28 February 2005 02:11:40 [ permanent link ]
 Google Beta User wrote:
I'd put him in a 2nd tier group that includes Foley and the Undertaker.

And as for the second tier...

The Undertaker? The fucking UNDERTAKER? Were you high when you posted
this? C'mon, admit it - you're in the company of friends here...


UT has never been given the chance to draw on his own. He gets a huge
pop live, mainly for his OTT ring entrances. He's a very mediocre worker
who occasionally gets inferiority complexes about it and busts out
something to get people talking (Hell in a Cell, no-hands plancha at
Ground Zero in 1997, occasional forays into UWFI-style mat wrestling).

Conclusion: The Undertaker is, was, and always will be, "Special
Attraction" status. Wheel him out for a cheap pop and have him roll over
a 300lb stiff, and then it's time for the main event.

Foley. Ehhhh. Pioneered hardcore in the US, largely because his career
was going nowhere as a WCW midcarder so he sidestepped into Garbage
wrestling in Japan and re-invented Cactus Jack. Directly inspired a
thousand terrible indy guys hacking at themselves with razor blades in
front of crowds of 30 people. Not Mick's fault, and for a guy in such
terrible physical condition he could brawl with the best of them, work
smart matches and cut a fantastic promo. But still, ehhhh.

I like how you're missing anyone who hasn't wrestled in the last ten
years, too.

I couldn't even begin to put together a list of *all time* because I
haven't seen a ton of guys from the seventies and earlier, but I'll take
a shot at it. US only, to avoid "you're biased in favor of puro"
accusations.

1. Ric Flair
2. Steve Austin
3. Hulk Hogan
4. HBK
5. The Rock
6. Bret Hart
7. Harley Race
8. Terry Funk
9. Mick Foley
10. Stan Hansen

I know Hansen might seem an odd pick but I just fucking *love* him in
the ring. JBL + Vader + ultra-stiff = golden.

-Vin
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Chad Bryant 28 February 2005 06:04:43 [ permanent link ]
 "Paul "Mr.Wonderful" Orndorff" wrote:
"C The Shocker" <chrispdx@comcast.F­UCKOFFSPAMMERS.net> wrote in> message news:Vq6dnepAxf533b­_fRVn-pQ@comcast.com­...>> "Google Beta User" <majiin99@cs.com> wrote in message >> news:1109539075.510­674.231410@g14g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..>>> He's good, but not among the G.O.A.T. group of Rock, Hogan, Austin,>>> HBK, Bret Hart and even Angle.>>>
Why? He was not as versatile as HBK, Austin, Bret Hart or Angle nor>>> the industry trancsending/transf­orming appeal of Hogan, Austin or>>> Rock. >>>
I'd put him in a 2nd tier group that includes Foley and the>>> Undertaker. >>
This might be a candidate for most ridiculous post on RSPW ever.>
Flair got by on charachter alone in my opinion. He's one of my> all-time favs but he's way too repetitive in the ring. I have the> Flair DVD and every match is the same. Even Hogan changed it up once> in a while.

This may be the second-most ridiculous post in RSPW history.

The post that started this thread is already #1.

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They create, while others destroy.
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ViNNY 28 February 2005 06:39:47 [ permanent link ]
 Paul "Mr.Wonderful" Orndorff Orndorff@fakeemaila­ddress.com> wrote:> "C The Shocker" <chrispdx@comcast.F­UCKOFFSPAMMERS.net> wrote in message > news:Vq6dnepAxf533b­_fRVn-pQ@comcast.com­...>
"Google Beta User" <majiin99@cs.com> wrote in message >>news:1109539075.5­10674.231410@g14g200­0cwa.googlegroups.co­m...>>
He's good, but not among the G.O.A.T. group of Rock, Hogan, Austin,>>>HBK, Bret Hart and even Angle.>>>
Why? He was not as versatile as HBK, Austin, Bret Hart or Angle nor the>>>industry trancsending/transf­orming appeal of Hogan, Austin or Rock.>>>
I'd put him in a 2nd tier group that includes Foley and the Undertaker.>>
This might be a candidate for most ridiculous post on RSPW ever.>
Flair got by on charachter alone in my opinion. He's one of my all-time favs > but he's way too repetitive in the ring. I have the Flair DVD and every > match is the same. Even Hogan changed it up once in a while.

Welcome to the idiot list.

-Vin
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Google Beta User 28 February 2005 08:37:22 [ permanent link ]
 A clarification.

I am NOT saying he sucks. Not at all.

What I am saying, is that for someone often considered the Greatest of
All Time, he gets outshone by others - i.e. the people whose names I
mentioned.

I've seen Vinny's argument. Come on, C. Why do YOU think Flair is
better than HBK, Angle, Austin, Rock, Hitman or Hogan?

Perhaps I may consider removing Rock from that group now that I think
about it, but I think his crossover appeal was better and *I* marked
for him more than I did Flair (granted I haven't seen much Flair pre
1995).

And please remember not to judge Flairs best vs. Austins worst, i.e. if
you're going to base your argument against Austin on his GM days, then
you have to keep in mind Flair has become nothing but a HHH Yes Man.

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Google Beta User 28 February 2005 08:41:25 [ permanent link ]
 << Greatest Pro Wrestler Of All Time has *nothing* to do with
"mainstream crossover ability", and *everything* to do with who is the
best fucking wrestler. >>

So if we change this thread to greatest modern era wrestler of all all
time (without qualifications) would you argue that Benoit is better
than a Rock or Austin?

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Google Beta User 28 February 2005 08:43:29 [ permanent link ]
 <<I think Angle is probably worker of the decade - but there's not a
whole lot of competition. I'd swear by quite a few guys over him "of
all time" though.>>

I've only really seriously watched wrestling since WM 7. And I only
started watching WCW when the NWO angle started, hence my 'modern era'
bias.

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Google Beta User 28 February 2005 08:50:01 [ permanent link ]
 Undertaker and Foley, however washed up they are now, wowed and
entertained crowds and they were draws.

Undertaker especially, if you take into consideration he came at a time
when there was still somewhat of a "is wrestling real?" deal.

Flair is better than both though, and I'll concede Rock too.

Not yet convinced that he's better than Hogan, Angle, HBK, Austin or
Hart though.

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ViNNY 28 February 2005 09:06:04 [ permanent link ]
 Google Beta User wrote:
Perhaps I may consider removing Rock from that group now that I think> about it, but I think his crossover appeal was better and *I* marked> for him more than I did Flair (granted I haven't seen much Flair pre> 1995).>
And please remember not to judge Flairs best vs. Austins worst, i.e. if> you're going to base your argument against Austin on his GM days, then> you have to keep in mind Flair has become nothing but a HHH Yes Man.

You're judging Flair at his worst though - you just admitted you haven't
seen much Flair post 1995. Compare 1995 Flair to 2003 Austin and Flair
wins. Compare 1980s Flair to 1997 Austin... and Flair still wins.

-Vin
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ViNNY 28 February 2005 09:08:11 [ permanent link ]
 Google Beta User wrote:> << Greatest Pro Wrestler Of All Time has *nothing* to do with> "mainstream crossover ability", and *everything* to do with who is the> best fucking wrestler. >>>
So if we change this thread to greatest modern era wrestler of all all> time (without qualifications) would you argue that Benoit is better> than a Rock or Austin?

Benoit's body of work is consistently better than Austin's, but he's
nothing like as relevant as either of them.

I guess draw etc. has to factor into it somewhere - I'd just rather that
at least 90% of the title of "best wrestler" be down to ability as a
wrestler - which includes mic work.

Best ring work: Benoit, Austin, Rock.
Best mic work: Austin, Rock, Benoit.
Biggest draw: Austin, Rock, Benoit.

Then I have to give it to Austin.

-Vin
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Chad Bryant 28 February 2005 09:23:09 [ permanent link ]
 "ViNNY" wrote:
HBK - a little more than a footnote but a little less than a legend, > that's probably the best way I can categorise him. Michaels is what > Jericho would have been if he'd come along during a period with no > credible headliners and managed to get Vince in his pocket.

Despite his out-of-ring behaviours tarnishing his accomplishments, Shawn is
HoF material. He's just not even close to a "GOAT" consideration.

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Annoying The Ignorant Online Since 1995
http://www.chadbrya­nt.cjb.net/

The great will always soar above the mediocre.
They create, while others destroy.
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