Dan Weiss wrote:>> Enter your jibe sailing as fast as possible. Rarely speed be your> enemy, as>> it generates apparent wind and makes the flip a much less> muscle-bound>> affair than certain descriptions might make it sound. The lower your>

Certainly those are vital points, and apparently you've gotten past the > standard scenario at many Gorge spots, where people rip across the river > leaping and slashing and doing tricks and lookin' GOOD, only to reach the > shore, bear off, and run downwind until they slow sufficiently that the > wind hits them from behind to swing their sail around the mast (how else > can the wind turn the sail?) SNIP

The sail flips from the shift in apparent wind across the bow, not because > the it catches up from behind. Unless you were being sarcastic, of > course.>

-Dan>

i would say it might be used more in jibes where maintaining speed is> more of a priority than having as tight as turn as possible. i don't mean> that it's a light wind technique, just that when you go for a really tight> arc, you have implicitly chosen to give up a little speed, and that this> technique might be used on a more drawn out arc that might be chosen> when the sailor wishes to keep more speed on.

Mike \m/> .> "Dan Weiss" <dwus484@comcast.ne­t> wrote in message > news:BYWdna7q-6V2fN­DfRVn-gQ@comcast.com­...>> Mike wrote:>>

-Dan> "Isobars" <notgonnahappen@not­.today> wrote in message > news:Hap3e.2595$y_3­.2571@fe04.lga...>> If a sailor is running before the wind, the rig isn't going to blow >> around its hinge when released until the board speed drops below the >> ambient wind so the apparent wind is from aft.>>

I might as well ask for some advice too...>

I'm on a 89L board and I generally try an 'aggressive' jibe in that I go> in hot hang down on the boom, roll my hips over, flip the sail with both> hands, etc. My success is about 20% coming out planing and maybe 60%> coming out without crashing. However, there is a going theme in my> crashes-- the sail is too far forward after I flip it. When I am turning (> sail still original position) I am bending my knees and hanging down and> then I push the mast forward, sheet in, pause, pause til I'm downwind> and flip. BUT many times the mast is still about 50degrees to the water> when the boom comes back to me, I grab the boom and struggle to keep> from falling forward but almost always go head first over the board> because the sail has more leverage than me. When I try to stay more> upright with my body position (less knee bend, less laying over the rail)> and sail I can never seem to get my board planning all the way through.> Is there just a happy medium between the two and? Sometimes I feel that> I dont wait long enough to flip the sail??>

thanks-> brad

I am getting pulled over by 1) the sail and 2) because I am already> leaning forward from leaning into the turn and hanging down on the boom.> I flip the sail, grab the boom and then struggle to pull it back towards> me to regain control but usually it wins and I go over the nose and land> like I was doing pushups on the boom.

I am getting pulled over by 1) the sail and 2) because I am already> leaning forward from leaning into the turn and hanging down on the boom.> I flip the sail, grab the boom and then struggle to pull it back towards> me to regain control but usually it wins and I go over the nose and land> like I was doing pushups on the boom.>

brad>

In <1112635965.551309.­39430@f14g2000cwb.go­oglegroups.com> ssnodgrass@> foxrothschild.com wrote:>> If he is going over the front because he is catching a rail, then he>> is pulling the mast too far back over the board. There was a good>> example of this in Alan Cadiz Jibe video.>>

Florian...I sailed Mecox Bay Saturday (4.7 overpowered) and Sunday (6.2> well powered).>

Dan, re>> Don't lean forward. Bend at your knees and ankles and drive forward> with>> your hips. Keeping your upper body upright and your eyes fixated on> your>> exit point. Doing these things prevents your head from dropping,> followed>> by the inevitable break at the waist. Breaking at the waist unravels> any>> effort to oversheet which in turn reduces mast base pressure and> pushes the>> tail down, slowing down the board and changing the rail angle. You> then go>> over the front.>

Great advice, except that don't you think it's more "don't bend> forward" rather than "don't lean"? To be sure, when doing this> properly your head is forward of your feet (mine is, anyway).>

Right on, Michael! Don't bend at the waist. I'm not really sure how much> leaning forward I do on my most effective jibes anyway. Certainly much more> than sailing along, but I might describe the position of the body as> "projecting" into the turn. Maybe that conveys a different message?>

About 10 years ago Windsurfing Magazine did a very detailed, comparative> study of several different kinds of jibes. Illustrative photos of> Dunkerbeck, Naish and Larned accompanied the descriptive text. The degree> of commitment tended to alter the degree of projection, and the last series> showed Robby Naish laying down a pretty sick "hero" jibe. By projecting his> hips forward and toward the axis of the turn he was remarkably upright in> terms of the relative position of his head and feet. But for sure the> tightest jibe initiations require a head forward orientation. A great> example of this is Bruce Peterson projecting into his jibe on a small board.> See pic. 3 in "Jibing With Power", Windsurfing Magazine, Vol. 23 p. 84, Fall> 2004.>

The point I was trying to get across is that leaning forward or into the> jibe doesn't mean that the head should control the balance of the sailor.> I've seen a lot of people (and done it myself) allow a forward head position> to screw up their jibe simply because it's hard to look up with a forward> head. Our eyes must remain focused on the exit point. If we look down it> can lead to bending at the waist and blowing the entire thing. If we keep> our head up and draw the most power from our hips we can keep the rail down> in some pretty sick water conditions, including jibing across chop so steep> that we might try to avoid it when sailing along! Keeping the head up> allows our bodies to adjust to varying terrain automatically. We get to eye> the next ramp, or even glance upwind on the new tack.>

-Dan>

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