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GYXU > Kites, widsurfing, waterski > i broke my toe. ouch! 27 March 2005 23:42:19

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i broke my toe. ouch!

Jeff Feehan 23 March 2005 01:00:26
 i was in cabarete last week, and winds were kind of light, so
i spent a few days sailing a starboard formula 117 with a 9.0,
(vela had it in wood construction, and i _really_ liked it -
probably my favorite of any formula board i have sailed).

i was pumping like a maniac while exiting a jibe, and i'm not
sure exactly what happened - either i went for the footstrap
too agressively, or my foot slipped on the board. whichever
happened, my little toe hit the front strap hard, resulting in
really intense pain - i had to stop sailing.

so, of course the next day was a nice 5.0 day. i tried, but it
hurt too much. basically, any kind of compression (like a foot-
strap) was too painful. after one jibe, i missed the strap by
just a cm or so, stubbed it, and was screaming in pain. so i quit.

the funny thing was that a guy i met, had just the day before
been explaining to me that i should wear booties on vacation
because of the risk of a foot injury ruining my trip. "no way",
i said. oh well.

as it turned out there wasn't much wind anyway, so i didn't miss
much. i did manage to do a fair bit of training in a laser (they
can be rented from the bic center), which - since i race a laser -
was pretty much fun, and not nearly as hard on my little toe as
windsurfing.

i got home on sunday, and had it x-rayed yesterday. it's pretty
well broken. i'm kind of surprised that i did so much damage just
by hiting a footstrap with the toe.

i guess it should be okay by the time the season starts here in
connecticut.

jeff
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Paul Braunbehrens 23 March 2005 11:14:11 permanent link ]
 Bummer about the toe. At least you won't miss too much of your sailing
season. As you might remember, I broke my foot about 10 days ago, and
I was wearing booties. I have previously injured my little toe, coming
out of a jibe. I don't remember exactly how I did it, but I somehow
got the little toe hung up on the strap and fell off the board. I'm
pretty sure it was broken, but I never did anything about it, except to
get booties.

However, now I'm second guessing myself. Did my foot break because the
booties made it harder to come out of the strap? Basically, my fin hit
a rock, and the board stopped, I kept going. I do remember getting
hung up in the strap, but I did come out and land with my foot on a
rock. I can't be sure if what broke the foot was the impact from the
rock, or the pull of the footstrap.

I guess the question is whether it's safer to go with booties or
without. I'm guessing that without booties you are more prone to
smaller injuries, but with booties you might hang in the straps and
break your foot or ankle.

I'd appreciate some advice from the pros on this, including how to
setup your footstraps so that you will come out easily.


In article <KH%%d.446$7i7.271@­fe12.lga>, jeff feehan
<jfeehan@ix.netcom.­com> wrote:
i was in cabarete last week, and winds were kind of light, so> i spent a few days sailing a starboard formula 117 with a 9.0,> (vela had it in wood construction, and i _really_ liked it -> probably my favorite of any formula board i have sailed).>
i was pumping like a maniac while exiting a jibe, and i'm not> sure exactly what happened - either i went for the footstrap> too agressively, or my foot slipped on the board. whichever> happened, my little toe hit the front strap hard, resulting in> really intense pain - i had to stop sailing.>
so, of course the next day was a nice 5.0 day. i tried, but it> hurt too much. basically, any kind of compression (like a foot-> strap) was too painful. after one jibe, i missed the strap by> just a cm or so, stubbed it, and was screaming in pain. so i quit.>
the funny thing was that a guy i met, had just the day before> been explaining to me that i should wear booties on vacation> because of the risk of a foot injury ruining my trip. "no way",> i said. oh well.>
as it turned out there wasn't much wind anyway, so i didn't miss> much. i did manage to do a fair bit of training in a laser (they> can be rented from the bic center), which - since i race a laser -> was pretty much fun, and not nearly as hard on my little toe as> windsurfing.>
i got home on sunday, and had it x-rayed yesterday. it's pretty> well broken. i'm kind of surprised that i did so much damage just> by hiting a footstrap with the toe.>
i guess it should be okay by the time the season starts here in> connecticut.>
jeff
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Lucky 23 March 2005 16:53:30 permanent link ]
 I'm very far from a pro, but I wear booties because of the zebra
muscles here. I have sailed bare foot, also (and would rather sail
barefoot). BUT, I have noticed that sailing with booties (I think)
makes it easier to exit the strap because you have less control over
the small pieces of your foot. Rather, without booties, I find myself
curling my toes and gripping the deck pads. With booties you can't do
that because of the rubber sole. I don't know what else it is....but
my foot has been known to slip out of the footstrap from time to time
with booties on....never had that problem with bare feet.

I also think a lot of this might have to do with what kind of footstrap
you are using. I think some footstraps are easier to exit than others.

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Dan Weiss 23 March 2005 23:20:36 permanent link ]
 Jeff: Sorry to hear about your injury. Sucks, but you should be at it soon
enough.

Lucky et al. Never understood the problems with foot straps. They should
be tight enough to keep you securely attached to the board, but not so tight
as to prevent your foot from inserting enough and thus make the board
uncontrollable. Footstraps should be loose enough to allow your feet to
gain leverage over the board, but not so loose as to allow your foot to
loose contact with the deck.

Adjusting footstraps is fast and easy. Do it once per season, or twice when
booties become necessary. Or more if you like to tweak.

I've never been prevented from exiting the straps that are too tight. Tight
straps prevent getting my foot in deep enough to get caught in the first
place. Straps that are so loose as to grab my ankle are far to loose anyway
to use effectively. The board will flop all over the place.

Boots tend to make it more difficult too get my foot in as the sole offers a
lot more grip than the skin on the sole of my foot, so I find adjusting
strap tension for boots to be slightly more exacting.

Never been hurt by straps, but I don't do much freestyle.

-Dan
"Lucky" <ktrubin@mtu.edu> wrote in message
news:1111582410.387­917.91820@f14g2000cw­b.googlegroups.com..­.> I'm very far from a pro, but I wear booties because of the zebra> muscles here. I have sailed bare foot, also (and would rather sail> barefoot). BUT, I have noticed that sailing with booties (I think)> makes it easier to exit the strap because you have less control over> the small pieces of your foot. Rather, without booties, I find myself> curling my toes and gripping the deck pads. With booties you can't do> that because of the rubber sole. I don't know what else it is....but> my foot has been known to slip out of the footstrap from time to time> with booties on....never had that problem with bare feet.>
I also think a lot of this might have to do with what kind of footstrap> you are using. I think some footstraps are easier to exit than others.>


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Wsurfn 24 March 2005 03:42:18 permanent link ]
 Sorry Jeff:

Windsurfing injuries that limit your sailing suck, especially while on
vacation. Toes tend to heal well, so you will be as good as new soon. I
don't know what to think about the bootie/strap tension debate. I find
I have much better feel without the booties, and my feet enter and
release easier without them. I wear booties when I visit different
locales, so I don't slice my feet on the bottom and prematurely end my
sailing time. As you guys know, I snapped my ankle almost exactly a
year ago in Hatteras, slamming into a sandbar during a gybe. It
happened fast, straps were set loose for my clumsy bootied feet, and
there was no way for my foot to release. The board would not flip over
because of the fin being stuck in the sandbar. I have relived it over
and over in my mind. It happened so fast, and I am not quite sure
exactly if the booties had a significant role in keeping my foot from
releasing. I now set my straps wider and tighter, instead of just
looser (I have big feet). I try to sail barefoot, but I will likely
sail with booties again, especially when I think the bottom is
questionable. I like deep water now!

I hope you heal fast. Let us know how long it takes to recover. I think
the worst part was not knowing when I could get back on the board, and
how long it would take to heal. I sailed on my ankle at 6 weeks, but it
took 9 months to get back to 90% strength.

Take Matt Prichard's advice...get out your credit card and call Brian
at Side-Off and catch up on your videos....

Mark

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Paul Braunbehrens 24 March 2005 07:59:29 permanent link ]
 In article <1111586641.240599.­192530@l41g2000cwc.g­ooglegroups.com>,
surfer <surfer@mail2go.com­> wrote:

3) My feet stay in the straps better with booties>
4) Less injuries to feet when sailing = more sailing time and a better> windsurfing vacation experience. ;-)­

I agree that you get less foot injuries when sailing with booties, but
that's SMALL injuries. If your foot doesn't come out when it should,
you might break your foot (as I did) or your ankle, and miss the whole
season. I think I'd rather have a few small injuries than one big one.

I'd be interested in hearing more opinions on this issue.
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Paul Braunbehrens 24 March 2005 11:21:25 permanent link ]
 Maybe we need straps that release when a certain amount of force is
applied... i.e. before a bone breaks. Shouldn't be too hard to
manufacture.


In article <1111621338.344221.­92540@f14g2000cwb.go­oglegroups.com>,
wsurfn <MPlunkett@austin.r­r.com> wrote:
Sorry Jeff:>
Windsurfing injuries that limit your sailing suck, especially while on> vacation. Toes tend to heal well, so you will be as good as new soon. I> don't know what to think about the bootie/strap tension debate. I find> I have much better feel without the booties, and my feet enter and> release easier without them. I wear booties when I visit different> locales, so I don't slice my feet on the bottom and prematurely end my> sailing time. As you guys know, I snapped my ankle almost exactly a> year ago in Hatteras, slamming into a sandbar during a gybe. It> happened fast, straps were set loose for my clumsy bootied feet, and> there was no way for my foot to release. The board would not flip over> because of the fin being stuck in the sandbar. I have relived it over> and over in my mind. It happened so fast, and I am not quite sure> exactly if the booties had a significant role in keeping my foot from> releasing. I now set my straps wider and tighter, instead of just> looser (I have big feet). I try to sail barefoot, but I will likely> sail with booties again, especially when I think the bottom is> questionable. I like deep water now!>
I hope you heal fast. Let us know how long it takes to recover. I think> the worst part was not knowing when I could get back on the board, and> how long it would take to heal. I sailed on my ankle at 6 weeks, but it> took 9 months to get back to 90% strength.>
Take Matt Prichard's advice...get out your credit card and call Brian> at Side-Off and catch up on your videos....>
Mark>
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Jeff Feehan 24 March 2005 18:07:43 permanent link ]
 Dan Weiss wrote:> Jeff: Sorry to hear about your injury. Sucks, but you should be at it soon > enough.>

i'm doing a laser regatta in bermuda next month - about 4 weeks from now,
and i really hope the pain is gone by then. i can definitely sail the laser
with it the way it is now, but my roll tacks and roll gybes aren't as
good as they were. they were never really great, so i can't afford to
loose anything.

jeff feehan


Lucky et al. Never understood the problems with foot straps. They should > be tight enough to keep you securely attached to the board, but not so tight > as to prevent your foot from inserting enough and thus make the board > uncontrollable. Footstraps should be loose enough to allow your feet to > gain leverage over the board, but not so loose as to allow your foot to > loose contact with the deck.>
Adjusting footstraps is fast and easy. Do it once per season, or twice when > booties become necessary. Or more if you like to tweak.>
I've never been prevented from exiting the straps that are too tight. Tight > straps prevent getting my foot in deep enough to get caught in the first > place. Straps that are so loose as to grab my ankle are far to loose anyway > to use effectively. The board will flop all over the place.>
Boots tend to make it more difficult too get my foot in as the sole offers a > lot more grip than the skin on the sole of my foot, so I find adjusting > strap tension for boots to be slightly more exacting.>
Never been hurt by straps, but I don't do much freestyle.>
-Dan> "Lucky" <ktrubin@mtu.edu> wrote in message > news:1111582410.387­917.91820@f14g2000cw­b.googlegroups.com..­.>
I'm very far from a pro, but I wear booties because of the zebra>>muscles here. I have sailed bare foot, also (and would rather sail>>barefoot). BUT, I have noticed that sailing with booties (I think)>>makes it easier to exit the strap because you have less control over>>the small pieces of your foot. Rather, without booties, I find myself>>curling my toes and gripping the deck pads. With booties you can't do>>that because of the rubber sole. I don't know what else it is....but>>my foot has been known to slip out of the footstrap from time to time>>with booties on....never had that problem with bare feet.>>
I also think a lot of this might have to do with what kind of footstrap>>you are using. I think some footstraps are easier to exit than others.>>
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Ellen Faller 25 March 2005 02:33:26 permanent link ]
 Hi Jeff,
I've broken a toe twice on vacations for a related reason. I tend to
wear booties on vacation as well as at home, but it is the slightly
different placement of the straps from my own boards that caught me. I'd
go with confidence to shove my foot in the strap, and wham, ouch, agony.
Now I'm more careful until I'm confident where that strap is.
Ellen
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Ben Kaufman 25 March 2005 04:39:37 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:59:29 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens
<bakalite@insertthe­samewordthatisbefore­theatsign.com> wrote:
In article <1111586641.240599.­192530@l41g2000cwc.g­ooglegroups.com>,>su­rfer <surfer@mail2go.com­> wrote:>
3) My feet stay in the straps better with booties>>
4) Less injuries to feet when sailing = more sailing time and a better>> windsurfing vacation experience. ;-)­>
I agree that you get less foot injuries when sailing with booties, but>that's SMALL injuries. If your foot doesn't come out when it should,>you might break your foot (as I did) or your ankle, and miss the whole>season. I think I'd rather have a few small injuries than one big one.>
I'd be interested in hearing more opinions on this issue.

One of those "small" injuries could result in a nasty infection.

Ben
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Jeff Feehan 25 March 2005 17:06:32 permanent link ]
 Rox wrote:
Jeff,> I damaged my toe on Thanksgiving day getting ready at 3 am to fly to> Florida to windsurf and visit my father. I ran into a table in the> dark. I too did not think much of it.Well today after wearing a hard> sole shoe for months and lots of x-rays it is still not windsurfable.> They are saying it is the tendon that is messed up. Well, I am headed> to Hatteras in four weeks and can totally relate to your pain. I am> thinking no shoe as they hurt!> Rox. I also wonder about what Ben is saying.>
One of those "small" injuries could result in a nasty infection.>>

that sucks. i hope mine doesn't turn out like that. a fracture is
clearly visible on my x-ray, and hopefully that's all it is.

i hope 4 weeks is enough to get you back on the water.

as i said, the day after i hurt my toe was a beautiful 5.0 day,
the kind of day i go to cabarete for, and i felt like a total
idiot for missing it.

i guess ben is saying that booties protect your feet from small cuts,
which can get infected. those infections can be _really_ bad where
coral reefs are involved. i have heard of people needing to have large
amounts of skin and muscle cut away to save their foot. i have no
idea how common those infections are. but, even a small infection
could ruin a vacation.

i will definitely be reconsidering booties on vacation. i think i'll
probably wear them from now on.

booties would also save me for another, more minor, anoyance: i don't
skip light air days at cabarete - vela has excellent light air gear,
and i like to sail formula boards. as i said, i usually pump them
pretty vigorously. in fact, i pump pretty much all boards. the problem
is that the nonskid takes a few layers of skin off the bottom of my
toes (the wood construction starboards have pretty agressive non-skid)
the more i pump, the worse this problem is, and after a few days
i can end up bleeding. it doesn't stop me from sailing, and i tend not
to notice it too much on the water, but it can be painful, and might
get infected.

i think i'll get a new pair of booties.

jeff feehan

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Dan Weiss 26 March 2005 10:09:18 permanent link ]
 I think it was called the Toucan or something like that?
<smark@seattletimes­.com> wrote in message
news:1111791738.802­011.263810@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..>
Paul Braunbehrens wrote:>> Maybe we need straps that release when a certain amount of force is>> applied... i.e. before a bone breaks. Shouldn't be too hard to>> manufacture.>>
Something like this did exist once upon a time and there was quite a> bit of commentary about it on this newsgroup. I tried one but found it> very uncomfortable, but maybe I didn't have it mounted correctly.> Before I had a chance to follow up, the guy was bought out by one of> the big companies, who promptly dropped them.> But I think the injuries mentioned here are caused by accidentally> kicking the strap. Nothing but careful, controlled sailing prevent> that. You can stub your toe on a perfectly flat surface.>


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Dan Weiss 27 March 2005 08:54:11 permanent link ]
 Nope, just remembered... that was a releasable harness hook.. Went the way
of the Dodo.

-Dan
"Dan Weiss" <dwus484@comcast.ne­t> wrote in message
news:6c6dnYGSA9LxYd­nfRVn-jw@comcast.com­...>I think it was called the Toucan or something like that?> <smark@seattletimes­.com> wrote in message > news:1111791738.802­011.263810@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..>>
Paul Braunbehrens wrote:>>> Maybe we need straps that release when a certain amount of force is>>> applied... i.e. before a bone breaks. Shouldn't be too hard to>>> manufacture.>>>
Something like this did exist once upon a time and there was quite a>> bit of commentary about it on this newsgroup. I tried one but found it>> very uncomfortable, but maybe I didn't have it mounted correctly.>> Before I had a chance to follow up, the guy was bought out by one of>> the big companies, who promptly dropped them.>> But I think the injuries mentioned here are caused by accidentally>> kicking the strap. Nothing but careful, controlled sailing prevent>> that. You can stub your toe on a perfectly flat surface.>>


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Paul Braunbehrens 27 March 2005 23:42:19 permanent link ]
 In article <1111791738.802011.­263810@o13g2000cwo.g­ooglegroups.com>,
<smark@seattletimes­.com> wrote:

I think the injuries mentioned here are caused by accidentally> kicking the strap. Nothing but careful, controlled sailing prevent> that. You can stub your toe on a perfectly flat surface.>

I think a fair number of people break ankles and feet when the board
tweaks their foot, either due to an improper landing, a bad catapult,
or, as happened to me, hitting an underwater obstruction.

The toe issue is easily resolved by wearing booties.
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