Sure must be a lot of country clubs as every parcel in these parts including the town dump is bounded by property owners.
"3putt" <golfingnut@thetee.SC> wrote in message news:Nr%cg.17470$Lg.2194@tornado.southeast.rr.com...> Is it because it's owned by the members? Is it because it's bounded by > property owners?>
Wait just a darn minute. You're talking about 80% of RSG here. Except, of course, those that use the Gemini with the $10 shaft.
"Hero" <khunt@ethus.jnj.com> wrote in message news:1148496518.760317.68850@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> pompous asses smoking & talking about the $600 driver they just bought> to be used by their 2 dollar swing.>
It's all about the greenback.. and nothing to do with golf. All IMO>
Funny, Mike, when I worked at NAS Lemoore, CA, I joined the Kings CC. Much the same deal, a lot of white collar and blue collar guys who wanted to play golf with some like minded individuals. It was such a golf emphasis bunch that we filled in the swimming pool and turned it into a practice putting green. There weren't a lot of swelled heads in the membership.
I suspect that a lot of posters here could afford a club membership if it was conveniently close. In my case the closest club I would consider joining is 40 miles down the road. I'm sitting here looking at a gorgeous sunset over the 1st hole of the muni course I live on. Am I supposed to drive a couple of 80 mile round trips per weekend so that I can say that I'm a member of a private club? I think not, I'll leave that to others to whom "status" is important.
Kenn Smith wrote:> Funny, Mike, when I worked at NAS Lemoore, CA, I joined the Kings CC.> Much the same deal, a lot of white collar and blue collar guys who> wanted to play golf with some like minded individuals. It was such a> golf emphasis bunch that we filled in the swimming pool and turned it> into a practice putting green. There weren't a lot of swelled heads in> the membership.
That's pretty much what we are: people who enjoy golf.
I suspect that a lot of posters here could afford a club membership if> it was conveniently close. In my case the closest club I would consider> joining is 40 miles down the road. I'm sitting here looking at a> gorgeous sunset over the 1st hole of the muni course I live on. Am I> supposed to drive a couple of 80 mile round trips per weekend so that I> can say that I'm a member of a private club? I think not, I'll leave> that to others to whom "status" is important.
That status stuff doesn't do much for me. To me, it's more important how a man treats his children, whether he pays his bills, whether his word is good, and whether he's pleasant company on the course.
I think there are a few advantages to belonging to a club other than the access to golf. Things like golf leagues, competitions, tournaments, and so on. Not that this can't be done at muni courses--I know that many do--but I probably have better and easier access to things like that than I would in other contexts.
country clubs were initially to do with the movers and shakers of the community who had the wherewithal to become a member,
had nothing to do with character, while there were those with good character that belonged, and *characters* that belonged that were lacking in good character.
they were operated as a "business" with papers to justify their claims. membership fees were usually high dollar items. this was an area the average joe could not afford.
I play a muni regularly. On weekend mornings we play a gangsome, usually 3 or 4 foursomes, sometimes more. You won't see cutoff jeans, tank tops (dirty or clean) or any hitting into the group in front of us.
As I mentally ran down the list of the gangsome I found: a bank president, a plumber, a Postmaster, a Jr. High principal, a TXU lineman, the owner of a masonry company, the owner of a construction company, a teacher, a retired colonel (USA), a retired MSGT (USAF - me), a retired CWO4 Army helo pilot, an active duty Army Special Forces 1st Sgt (when he's not in Iraq or Afghanistan), a rancher and a retired rodeo cowboy. Age range runs from mid 40's to 74. We're a pretty eclectic group but we certaily don't fit Larry's description of muni players.
I play a muni regularly. On weekend mornings we play a gangsome,> usually 3 or 4 foursomes, sometimes more. You won't see cutoff jeans,> tank tops (dirty or clean) or any hitting into the group in front of us.>
As I mentally ran down the list of the gangsome I found: a bank> president, a plumber, a Postmaster, a Jr. High principal, a TXU lineman,> the owner of a masonry company, the owner of a construction company, a> teacher, a retired colonel (USA), a retired MSGT (USAF - me), a retired> CWO4 Army helo pilot, an active duty Army Special Forces 1st Sgt (when> he's not in Iraq or Afghanistan), a rancher and a retired rodeo cowboy.> Age range runs from mid 40's to 74. We're a pretty eclectic group but> we certaily don't fit Larry's description of muni players.>
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I play a muni regularly. On weekend mornings we play a gangsome,>>usually 3 or 4 foursomes, sometimes more. You won't see cutoff jeans,>>tank tops (dirty or clean) or any hitting into the group in front of us.>>
As I mentally ran down the list of the gangsome I found: a bank>>president, a plumber, a Postmaster, a Jr. High principal, a TXU lineman,>>the owner of a masonry company, the owner of a construction company, a>>teacher, a retired colonel (USA), a retired MSGT (USAF - me), a retired>>CWO4 Army helo pilot, an active duty Army Special Forces 1st Sgt (when>>he's not in Iraq or Afghanistan), a rancher and a retired rodeo cowboy.>>Age range runs from mid 40's to 74. We're a pretty eclectic group but>>we certaily don't fit Larry's description of muni players.>>
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 21:20:28 -0500, grizzledbear@webtv.net (Kenn Smith) wrote:
I'll add one more comment to this "discussion.">
I play a muni regularly. On weekend mornings we play a gangsome,>usually 3 or 4 foursomes, sometimes more. You won't see cutoff jeans,>tank tops (dirty or clean) or any hitting into the group in front of us.>
As I mentally ran down the list of the gangsome I found: a bank>president, a plumber, a Postmaster, a Jr. High principal, a TXU lineman,>the owner of a masonry company, the owner of a construction company, a>teacher, a retired colonel (USA), a retired MSGT (USAF - me),
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Obviously the cream of the crop!
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://davidclary.com Kinky for Texas Gov "Why The Hell Not"
I belong to a CC. Joined it a year ago. I turned 60 last December. I am going to retire in another year after 40 years of teaching high school World History and coaching varsity football and softball. I play golf, I guess, because I enjoy it. I shoot in the high 80's to low 90's. Being in a CC in no way makes you a better golfer, nor a more serious golfer. I see people get out there on the Tee with expensive clubs, bags and pull carts, and they top, hook, slice, pull and duff with the best of them. I suffered two heart attacks two and a half years ago, have lost 180 lbs, and for the first time in a long, long, time actually feel well enough to play. I always walk the course, actually I enjoying playing by myself more than anything, just taking my time and enjoying the whole atmosphere. The gentleman in an earlier post said it best...there are people with good character on both the CC and muni courses, and there are plenty of characters on both as well.
Country Clubs have some advantages and disadvantages.
Advantages:
1. They are less crowded. You can get more Tee times, and play faster rounds. 2. You're much more likely to find friends playing there.
Disadvantages:
1. There is a big danger of having them overrun by prigs. 2. They are expensive. And the better the services, the more expensive they are. Some are cheap enough that if you play a lot, their costs aren't much different from public courses though.
If you can afford one, and can avoid the ones that are overrun by prigs, then they can be quite nice. Many have membership that consist primarily of real guys. If you're a member of one, work hard to make sure it stays that way.
On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:49:35 -0500, fiveiron@webtv.net wrote:
country clubs were initially to do with the movers and shakers of the>community who had the wherewithal to become a member,
I'm not remembering the name of the Hollywood Actor who came from a wealthy family. Only after he officially retired from acting, was he considered acceptable to join the Los Angeles Country Club.
Lots of towns have Country Clubs built for Jews - who weren't allowed to join the existing Country Clubs. The famous Lebanese-American Christian Danny Thomas had to join one of those because he was too ethnic for the white ones.
Non-golfer Walter Matthau joined a Hollywood Country Club because his idol, Hank Greenberg was a member.
My son-in-law finds his Country Club is very useful place to conduct business. It also is the closest course to his home and is paid for by his employer. I enjoy playing there, but as his guest, it is more expensive than my muni.
Lots of country clubs have tennis, swimming, and even children-related activities.
There are resort country clubs in the mountains of Colorado - expensive, inconvenient, and not open all the time. Right now Augusta National is closed - its bent grass doesn't work well in Georgia summers, and its not like Bill Gates was going to stop every day after work for some golf.
On Wed, 24 May 2006 21:08:18 -0700, LionsDen@webtv.net wrote:
I suffered two heart attacks two and a half>years ago, have lost 180 lbs, and for the first time in a long, long,>time actually feel well enough to play.
I've had heart attacks, but if I lost a Pflum, there would be nothing left.
On Thu, 25 May 2006 07:43:49 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
Country Clubs have some advantages and disadvantages.>
Advantages:>
1. They are less crowded. You can get more Tee times, and play>faster rounds.>2. You're much more likely to find friends playing there.>
Disadvantages:>
1. There is a big danger of having them overrun by prigs. >2. They are expensive. And the better the services, the more>expensive they are. Some are cheap enough that if you play a lot,>their costs aren't much different from public courses though.>
If you can afford one, and can avoid the ones that are overrun by>prigs, then they can be quite nice. Many have membership that>consist primarily of real guys. If you're a member of one, work>hard to make sure it stays that way.
Your last paragraph completely disputes both of the "disadvantages" that you list. Maybe you realized that they were a little to broad and you thought you had to ameliorate them. So why make them in the first place? ___, \o | / \ . "Someone likes every shot"! bk
On Thu, 25 May 2006 07:19:52 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote:
Bobby Knight wrote:
I have a hard time believing that any club has a $500 monthly food>> minimum, but you have a point. There are areas that private clubs are>> financially out of the reach for most.
ours is $200 per quarter not including booze
$90 a quarter, no booze. My monthly dues are $145 (senior, over 65 with 10 years membership). With taxes, cart fees, a $60 per month assessment for this year, my bill generally runs around $475 a month, and I play about 12 times in that period. So, $40 per round including golf, and the advantages of tee times, etc. is well worth it. Just wish I lived across the road (it is a real country club, in the country). ___, \o | / \ . "Someone likes every shot"! bk
On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:18:41 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
If you can afford one, and can avoid the ones that are overrun by>>prigs, then they can be quite nice. Many have membership that>>consist primarily of real guys. If you're a member of one, work>>hard to make sure it stays that way.>
Your last paragraph completely disputes both of the "disadvantages">that you list. Maybe you realized that they were a little to broad>and you thought you had to ameliorate them. So why make them in the>first place?
Because those differences sometimes do exist and may matter. If one is considering joining a country club, or for that matter buying some type of membership in a muni, those are things one might want to look for.
I was also aware that there have been posts describing RSG people as being other than self-defined high class, and I wanted to indicate that these "real people" are those I want to play golf with.
larry wrote:> On Thu, 25 May 2006 07:12:36 -0400, Bert Robbins <screw@you.com>> wrote:>
long&left wrote:>>
SNIP
Not that expensive? You don't live in the Wash. DC area do you. You >>couldn't get into a CC with a decent course for less than $50K >>initiation fee and then you are going to have to fork over $500 to $600 >>a month in food minimums and then just wait for the capital improvement >>assessments.>
That range is the least expensive CC in this area. The expensive> clubs like Del Mar CC and Crosby require $200k and charge $1000 per> month-- To join The Bridges where Phil Mickelson lives and plays--> costs $400k (and you must own a home inside their gates)--$5 Mil+ >
Larry
Every region is different. Here in the NY metro area, the lowest priced "Country Club" /"Private Club" that I am aware of is $8K to join, with ~2K dues plus restaurant minimums of ~$200/ mo. There are some daily fees golf clubs with some kind of half assed memberships that cost a few hundred but what is the point besides a guaranteed tee time.
Excluding invitation only clubs, the top end here is currently $2.5 Million to join. I have no clue what the rest of the fees are.
On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:00:17 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
Increasingly, walking is a privilege. More and more golf clubs do not>allow it--the golf cart rental is an important profit center. And of>course it would be too difficult to walk on the most hilly courses>with long spans betwen the green and the next tee--Kapalua on Maui,>for instance. I think the ONLY courses that allow walking in Las>Vegas is the flat muni and the military course on the AFB--alll the>others REQUIRE the golfers to ride. The cart fee in part of the>greens fee of course-- which is STEEP at most courses there--$200 up.
Some places don't need to make it a requirement. I played at a course last October where there was a very nice GPS built into the cart - which cart was included with the greens fee. When I asked for pin position, they told me it was built into the cart's GPS. When I said I was walking, they were flabbergasted, and told me that the pin position was built into the cart's GPS. Note that this was before GPSs could be made legal by tournaments.
I walk and push a Speed Cart. Walking is almost the only exercise I>get. I added that neat little attachment device for my SkyCaddie on>the handle of my cart. Walking is the primary reason I originally>chose Morgan Run for both tennis and golf. They don't allow walking>at the really upscale country clubs here.
I use a Speed Cart as well. I've had heart attacks and need the exercise. I have golfed in a couple of mountain resorts where carts were mandatory - someone trying to walk up some of those mountains between holes would delay everybody else just too much.
That range is the least expensive CC in this area. The expensive> clubs like Del Mar CC and Crosby require $200k and charge $1000 per> month-- To join The Bridges where Phil Mickelson lives and plays--> costs $400k (and you must own a home inside their gates)--$5 Mil+
On Thu, 25 May 2006 20:57:38 GMT, Carbon <nobrac@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:00:43 -0700, larry wrote:>
That range is the least expensive CC in this area. The expensive>> clubs like Del Mar CC and Crosby require $200k and charge $1000 per>> month-- To join The Bridges where Phil Mickelson lives and plays-->> costs $400k (and you must own a home inside their gates)--$5 Mil+ >
Wow, those people must be a lot better than you.
Lotsa people in this neighborhood "could" afford those clubs-- but chose not to.
On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:58:32 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 20:57:38 GMT, Carbon <nobrac@nospam.verizon.net>>wrote:>
On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:00:43 -0700, larry wrote:>>
That range is the least expensive CC in this area. The expensive>>> clubs like Del Mar CC and Crosby require $200k and charge $1000 per>>> month-- To join The Bridges where Phil Mickelson lives and plays-->>> costs $400k (and you must own a home inside their gates)--$5 Mil+ >>
Wow, those people must be a lot better than you.>
Lotsa people in this neighborhood "could" afford those clubs-- but>chose not to. >
On Thu, 25 May 2006 18:25:17 -0500, Bobby Knight wrote:> On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:58:32 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>>On Thu, 25 May 2006 20:57:38 GMT, Carbon <nobrac@nospam.verizon.net>>>wrote:>>>On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:00:43 -0700, larry wrote:>>>
That range is the least expensive CC in this area. The expensive>>>> clubs like Del Mar CC and Crosby require $200k and charge $1000 per>>>> month-- To join The Bridges where Phil Mickelson lives and plays-->>>> costs $400k (and you must own a home inside their gates)--$5 Mil+>>>
Wow, those people must be a lot better than you.>>
Lotsa people in this neighborhood "could" afford those clubs-- but chose>>not to.>
WHOOSH!
I'm starting to think you might be a little smarter than Larry.
On Fri, 26 May 2006 10:47:28 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 19:27:03 -0400, Bert Robbins <screw@you.com>>wrote:
A majority of the millionaires are living in the "lowly" neighborhoods >>you wouldn't venture into with out armed guareds, they are driving a >>beat up Ford or Toyota, living in a house that is just about paid for >>and will retire to a life style you will never know.>
In an earlier post I refuted Llllary's bigoted and egocentric description of muni golfers and he has danced all around it but not found a way to even accuse me of being wrong. That's probably a (very rare) plus for Llllary.
Mr. Powerego seems to equate conspicous consumption with success. Well, I guess that if that is his thing it's OK, but it really isn't my thing. But, just for Llllary, I'll get a tad conspicuos. I live in a pretty nice home on the municipal golf course. When I bought it I paid cash for it. I've bought something like five automobiles and one motor home in the past ten or so years, paid cash for all of them. We're taking the motor home out to the west coast later this year and, while I resent the price gouges, I really don't have much concern about the fuel bills.
I live a comfortable retired life, can afford to do whatever I want to do, would never think of making some big display of it and don't think that my comfort puts me above the plumber or lineman I regulary play golf with.
On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:47:36 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
Mensa? Been there and left because of the pretenders like you.
Isaac Asimov's autobiography mentions how he joined Mensa for a while, but was frustrated that high IQ people had the same wide variety of beliefs and political views as everybody else. He was hoping intelligence counted for more than it does.
On 7 Jun 2006 13:16:15 -0700, "Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bobby Knight wrote:>> On 7 Jun 2006 09:25:56 -0700, "Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com>>> wrote:>>
Maybe all this depends on WHY someone chooses to join a CC. Is it>> >because they love playing golf and the CC has a good course? Maybe the>> >place has other facilities that interest them. Maybe they want to join>> >a particular CC because it has a reputation for representing a certain>> >class in society and they want to be seen in that company and they>> >don't want to associate themselves with people of a lower social>> >standing.>> >I suspect many people assume that CC members consist of the latter.>>
An assumption that is false.>
I didn't say it was true Bobby, just that many people assume that it is>:-)
I knew that...was just agreeing. ___, \o | / \ . В“Someone likes every shotВ” bk
On 7 Jun 2006 13:16:15 -0700, "Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bobby Knight wrote:>> On 7 Jun 2006 09:25:56 -0700, "Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com>>> wrote:>>
Maybe all this depends on WHY someone chooses to join a CC. Is it>> >because they love playing golf and the CC has a good course? Maybe the>> >place has other facilities that interest them. Maybe they want to join>> >a particular CC because it has a reputation for representing a certain>> >class in society and they want to be seen in that company and they>> >don't want to associate themselves with people of a lower social>> >standing.>> >I suspect many people assume that CC members consist of the latter.
Correct. Same reason people join yacht clubs, polo clubs, Porsche clubs, and many other "exclusive" (which means not everyone is welcome) organizations based around an expensive entrance fee that is expensive because that fee is intended to discriminate. "Birds of a feather..." etc. What's wrong with that? Bank presidents really don't relish sitting at the bar with landscapers; they would have little to talk about.
Also golf and other upscale clubs are very often where people meet the people they need everyday--investment counselors, stock brokers, etc. I think the idea of upscale clubs is even more predominant in the UK, London is replete with VERY exclusive clubs you can't even look inside unless you're a member or a guest.
On 8 Jun 2006 14:23:52 -0700, "Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com> wrote:
Why not? Do bank presidents only want to talk about banking? Anyway ->you are at a golf club, you play golf. What else do you need to have in>common?
I think I posted this before - but Walter Matthau says, in _The Life and Times of Hank Greenberg_ that he doesn't play golf, nor much of any sports. But he joined a Country Club because Hank Greenberg was a member.
Gleneagles is not really a club, although a club plays there, it is a collection of golf courses. HCEG is pretty difficult to join, dead mens shoes and all that.
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