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Are you a One or Two Swing Plane Golfer?

Don Doyle 22 May 2005 06:08:35
 You may have seen this but just in case I thought I'd pass it along.

Quite interesting - read the whole thing with the instruction, drills
etc. to see if you are or want to be a one or two swing plane golfer.

http://www.golfdige­st.com/instruction/i­ndex.ssf?/instructio­n/gd200505swingplane­1.html

Don
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Doyce McIlvene 22 May 2005 19:03:37 permanent link ]
 
"Don Doyle" <info@4customcreati­ons.com> wrote in message
news:e7qv8115323qfr­9frnatbm7u239n3vr1kf­@4ax.com...> You may have seen this but just in case I thought I'd pass it along.>
Quite interesting - read the whole thing with the instruction, drills> etc. to see if you are or want to be a one or two swing plane golfer.>
Don

Hi Don,

If you are interested in wanting to know more about the one plane swing vs.
the two plane swing check out the following web site.

www.oneplanegolfswi­ng.com

The site has some very good information on the one plane swing and some
lively disscussion forums.

BTW, I am a one planer and always have been even been even though I've been
told by some two plane instructors that my swing was too flat and needed to
be more upright.
--
Doyce


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Don Doyle 22 May 2005 21:00:10 permanent link ]
 Hi Doyce,

Yes, I also sat that site and am awaiting the video to be published on
it.

I really don't know what plane I use. I am thinking I am more of a
single plane as my swing like yours has been a bit flat.

I will probably go to the range today and check it out. Whatever it
is, I think this info will enable me to get s on the right track. If
I finally know what I have, then perhaps I will be able to improve it.

Since moving to FL, I am enjoying working on my game and golf is now
fun again!

Hi Don,>
If you are interested in wanting to know more about the one plane swing vs. >the two plane swing check out the following web site.>
The site has some very good information on the one plane swing and some >lively disscussion forums.>
BTW, I am a one planer and always have been even been even though I've been >told by some two plane instructors that my swing was too flat and needed to >be more upright.

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Dene 22 May 2005 23:48:18 permanent link ]
 
"Don Doyle" <info@4customcreati­ons.com> wrote in message
news:e7qv8115323qfr­9frnatbm7u239n3vr1kf­@4ax.com...> You may have seen this but just in case I thought I'd pass it along.>
Quite interesting - read the whole thing with the instruction, drills> etc. to see if you are or want to be a one or two swing plane golfer.>
http://www.golfdige­st.com/instruction/i­ndex.ssf?/instructio­n/gd200505swingplane­1.html>
Don

I'm a two-planer transitioning into becoming a one-planer. I have Hardy's
book and it's an excellent read. One thing I like about it are the
fundamental distinctions between the two swings, thus allowing you to
discern proper advice. In addition, the one plane swing is easier for me.
It doesn't require the "drop to the slot" move plus it's easier to control
my OTT tendencies. In fact, I'm fighting a hook.

-Greg


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Croaker 23 May 2005 01:47:57 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:48:18 -0700, "Dene" <dene@(nospam) ipns.com> wrote:
"Don Doyle" <info@4customcreati­ons.com> wrote in message>news:e7qv81­15323qfr9frnatbm7u23­9n3vr1kf@4ax.com...>­> You may have seen this but just in case I thought I'd pass it along.>>
Quite interesting - read the whole thing with the instruction, drills>> etc. to see if you are or want to be a one or two swing plane golfer.>>
I'm a two-planer transitioning into becoming a one-planer. I have Hardy's>book and it's an excellent read. One thing I like about it are the>fundamental distinctions between the two swings, thus allowing you to>discern proper advice. In addition, the one plane swing is easier for me.>It doesn't require the "drop to the slot" move plus it's easier to control>my OTT tendencies. In fact, I'm fighting a hook.>
-Greg

I'm also fighting an OTT problem. After reading this I'm wondering if that
tendency is due to mixing the plane methods. I tend towards a wider
stance, a strong grip, and bending over at address, but was also standing a
little close to the ball and trying to achieve a more upright swing position.

I'm always skeptical of golf theories in general, but this one seems to be
legit.

Jeff



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A Brick in the Wall 23 May 2005 02:42:02 permanent link ]
 
"Don Doyle" <info@4customcreati­ons.com> wrote in message
news:e7qv8115323qfr­9frnatbm7u239n3vr1kf­@4ax.com...> You may have seen this but just in case I thought I'd pass it along.>
Quite interesting - read the whole thing with the instruction, drills> etc. to see if you are or want to be a one or two swing plane golfer.>
Don


Two planer --- when I get too close to one plane --- I hook like crazy &
don't get the backspin I want on other clubs.


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Don Doyle 23 May 2005 04:11:16 permanent link ]
 After practicing some more today, I am now convinced I have always
been a one planer mixing in two plane advice. No more of that.

The one plane seems to be working for me.

I think (and hope) it is the real deal!

Don
On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:48:18 -0700, "Dene" <dene@(nospam) ipns.com>
wrote:

I'm a two-planer transitioning into becoming a one-planer. I have Hardy's>book and it's an excellent read. One thing I like about it are the>fundamental distinctions between the two swings, thus allowing you to>discern proper advice. In addition, the one plane swing is easier for me.>It doesn't require the "drop to the slot" move plus it's easier to control>my OTT tendencies. In fact, I'm fighting a hook.>
-Greg>

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Croaker 23 May 2005 04:53:03 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 23 May 2005 00:11:16 GMT, Don Doyle <info@4customcreati­ons.com> wrote:
After practicing some more today, I am now convinced I have always>been a one planer mixing in two plane advice. No more of that.>
The one plane seems to be working for me.>
I think (and hope) it is the real deal!>
On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:48:18 -0700, "Dene" <dene@(nospam) ipns.com>>wrote:

After some initial skepticism, I went out and hit a full bucket, trying
to ensure I was following all the one-plane principles, and I hit the ball the
most solid that I have all this year. I feel like I'm also a one-planer
who started mixing in two-plane moves. I still have some issues
with disconnecting at times due to some ingrained two-plane thoughts,
but the one-plane swing just feels so much more natural.

I'll see how it goes in league play, but this article just might be the
trick to turning around a frustrating start to the season, where my handicap
had gone from a 13.4 to over a 17.

Jeff

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Don Doyle 23 May 2005 16:26:07 permanent link ]
 Jeff,

Let us know how you progress.

At least now, I have a better understanding of what I was/wasn't doing
- right or wrong.

Don

On Mon, 23 May 2005 00:53:03 GMT, Croaker <croaker24@spamgmai­l.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2005 00:11:16 GMT, Don Doyle <info@4customcreati­ons.com> wrote:>
After practicing some more today, I am now convinced I have always>>been a one planer mixing in two plane advice. No more of that.>>
The one plane seems to be working for me.>>
I think (and hope) it is the real deal!>>
On Sun, 22 May 2005 12:48:18 -0700, "Dene" <dene@(nospam) ipns.com>>>wrote:>
After some initial skepticism, I went out and hit a full bucket, trying>to ensure I was following all the one-plane principles, and I hit the ball the>most solid that I have all this year. I feel like I'm also a one-planer>who started mixing in two-plane moves. I still have some issues>with disconnecting at times due to some ingrained two-plane thoughts, >but the one-plane swing just feels so much more natural.>
I'll see how it goes in league play, but this article just might be the>trick to turning around a frustrating start to the season, where my handicap >had gone from a 13.4 to over a 17.>
Jeff

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Don Doyle 23 May 2005 21:57:08 permanent link ]
 
That's all that is meant by this terminology, don't try to>read more into it.

I don't know who is reading more into it - perhaps it is you?>
I think it is true that the best part of this discussion is>understanding not to mix advice that works for a "two plane">swing with a "one plane" swing, and vice versa.>
To me, the "two plane" swing makes more sense.>The geometry seems logical. But I have been>hitting better shots using the "one plane" system, and>the shot shape (for me) has a nice draw to it.

That is the beauty of at least knowing - the fact that you know what
your swing plane is and not what someone told you is correct; but
more importantly what is CORRECT FOR YOU!

For me the article explained exactly that. What one does with it is
entrirely up to them.

Don

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Don Doyle 24 May 2005 04:29:57 permanent link ]
 I didn't think you were replying to me. But, then again snipping your
post would have helped.

Regardless, I think it is a good article. Do with it as you please.

Don
On 23 May 2005 16:23:34 -0700, "Santa Cruz Bill"
<bighorn_bill@hotma­il.com> wrote:
Don Doyle wrote:>> >That's all that is meant by this terminology, don't try to>> >read more into it.>>
I don't know who is reading more into it - perhaps it is you?>
If you check the quotes, I was reponding to Curt Jester, not you.>Perhaps that's who I thought was reading more into it - do you think?

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Dene 24 May 2005 20:32:39 permanent link ]
 
"Don Doyle" <info@4customcreati­ons.com> wrote in message
news:e7qv8115323qfr­9frnatbm7u239n3vr1kf­@4ax.com...> You may have seen this but just in case I thought I'd pass it along.>
Quite interesting - read the whole thing with the instruction, drills> etc. to see if you are or want to be a one or two swing plane golfer.>
http://www.golfdige­st.com/instruction/i­ndex.ssf?/instructio­n/gd200505swingplane­1.html>
Don

This may help further with the visualization of a one plane swing vs. a two
plane.

Ernie Els on a video which allows you to freeze the frame....

http://www.golfswin­g.com/proswings/els.­htm

Few things to note....

1. His setup. Spine angle is 35 degrees. Hands are below his chin.

2. At the top, note the shoulder plane. It's pointed beyond the ball,
approximately a foot, which is what Hardy prescribes. Also his shaft is
laid off. It doesn't cross the line.

3. Downswing. There isn't a noticeable change in his backswing plane to
the downswing plane. His shaft is returning to a similar position as it was
at address. No noticeable arms "drop to the slot." move.

In contrast, the two-plane swing of Loren Roberts.....

http://www.golfswin­g.com/proswings/robe­rtsrear.htm

1. Note his spine angle at address. It's higher, thus his backswing is
more upright.

2. At the top, his shaft crosses the line and the plane of his shoulder
extends well beyond the ball. In order to get strike the ball, he must
change plane (flatten it) on the downswing to hit the ball correctly.

That requires a swing that requires exact timing between his hip turn and
drop to the slot downswing. Whereas, Ernie's downswing relies more on a
shoulder turn. As Jake put it, he rotates his shoulders as fast as he can
on the downswing.

-Greg


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