I am having a problem understanding what to do on one portion of my golf swing.
I'll start at the top of the back swing after the wrists have hinged just before the downswing. When I start the downswing my hands start first and stay ahead of the club head. Around waist height I begin to straighten out my wrists and finish when the club strikes the ball.
When should the wrists be un-hinged? The later I wait the more I need to roll my wrists around before the club strikes the ball. If I un-hings higher up in the downswing the club face is aligned with the ball longer but I've lost some club head speed.
"Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:3GTbe.2493$iZ1.1817@trnddc03...> I am having a problem understanding what to do on one portion of my golf> swing.>
I'll start at the top of the back swing after the wrists have hinged> just before the downswing. When I start the downswing my hands start> first and stay ahead of the club head. Around waist height I begin to> straighten out my wrists and finish when the club strikes the ball.>
When should the wrists be un-hinged? The later I wait the more I need to> roll my wrists around before the club strikes the ball. If I un-hings> higher up in the downswing the club face is aligned with the ball longer> but I've lost some club head speed.
Every time I tried to manipulate my wrists to work the club, I hit bad shots especially slices. So I stopped trying. Now, I let my wrists' angle be controlled by the club's movement. Instead of the wrists, I manipulate my arms and not much of that either.
What I'm trying to do is to reach positions, one at the top of the backswing and one at impact, everything else outside of these two positions is secondary to me. Actually when I think about it, they're not exactly positions as much as they are postures. I try to reach a posture with my body at the top of the backswing and then another posture with my body at impact.
In order for me to do that, I can't use my wrists because of the bad results I get. I use everything else, my legs, ankles, hips, torso, shoulders, arms, all in unison. My swing feels like I'm slapping the ball with my right hand. If I were to manipulate my wrists, it'd feel like I'd be stroking the ball instead.
David Geesaman 28 April 2005 15:52:16 [ permanent link ]
"Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3GTbe.2493$iZ1.1817@trnddc03...> When should the wrists be un-hinged? The later I wait the more I need to > roll my wrists around before the club strikes the ball. If I un-hings > higher up in the downswing the club face is aligned with the ball longer > but I've lost some club head speed.
Try not allowing the wrists to release- swing through smoothly and try to make impact with your wrists in the same position as they were on the downswing. It can't actually be done, but it will tend to put you in a better impact position and it causes the release to be entirely driven by centrifugal force, as it should be. If at any point on your downswing you feel like you're unhinging your wrists, you're feeling that wrist lag disappearing too early. Try this drill: http://members.aol.com/annika1980/mwpump.wmv - you simply pump the arms on the downswing without letting go of the wrist lag, and then hit it by continuing the arm pump feeling thru impact.
If the ball is spraying right, make sure you're not breaking down the left wrist at the top.
"David Geesaman" <dgeesamannospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d4qipg01v5g@news4.newsguy.com...> "Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:3GTbe.2493$iZ1.1817@trnddc03...>> When should the wrists be un-hinged? The later I wait the more I need to >> roll my wrists around before the club strikes the ball. If I un-hings >> higher up in the downswing the club face is aligned with the ball longer >> but I've lost some club head speed.>
Try not allowing the wrists to release- swing through smoothly and try to > make impact with your wrists in the same position as they were on the > downswing. It can't actually be done, but it will tend to put you in a > better impact position and it causes the release to be entirely driven by > centrifugal force, as it should be. If at any point on your downswing you > feel like you're unhinging your wrists, you're feeling that wrist lag > disappearing too early. Try this drill:> http://members.aol.com/annika1980/mwpump.wmv - you simply pump the arms on > the downswing without letting go of the wrist lag, and then hit it by > continuing the arm pump feeling thru impact.>
If the ball is spraying right, make sure you're not breaking down the left > wrist at the top.>
On 27-Apr-2005, "Billy Hutchison" <billy.hutchison@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to try this. Curious though - if you're too far in front with> the hands, then the face will be open and you'll slice, right?
That's what I'm working on. If you don't unhinge your hand (but let them unhinge naturally - late in your swing), the ball goes much, much farther. But if I'm not careful, this delay can leave my face open and I slice.
The thing is, there are other ways to make sure my club face is square when I hit - ways that don't cost this distance.
Oddly enough, I only have this problem with my driver, probably because I'm short and this is my most horizontal swing.
David Geesaman 28 April 2005 20:54:31 [ permanent link ]
"Golfer" <Golfer@golfworld.com> wrote in message news:eM4ce.27342$5f.5537@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
"David Geesaman" <dgeesamannospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:d4qipg01v5g@news4.newsguy.com...>> "Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:3GTbe.2493$iZ1.1817@trnddc03...>>> When should the wrists be un-hinged? The later I wait the more I need to >>> roll my wrists around before the club strikes the ball. If I un-hings >>> higher up in the downswing the club face is aligned with the ball longer >>> but I've lost some club head speed.>>
Try not allowing the wrists to release- swing through smoothly and try to >> make impact with your wrists in the same position as they were on the >> downswing. It can't actually be done, but it will tend to put you in a >> better impact position and it causes the release to be entirely driven by >> centrifugal force, as it should be. If at any point on your downswing >> you feel like you're unhinging your wrists, you're feeling that wrist lag >> disappearing too early. Try this drill:>> http://members.aol.com/annika1980/mwpump.wmv - you simply pump the arms >> on the downswing without letting go of the wrist lag, and then hit it by >> continuing the arm pump feeling thru impact.>>
If the ball is spraying right, make sure you're not breaking down the >> left wrist at the top.>>
David Geesaman wrote:>> "Tom" <thall91739-nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message>> news:3GTbe.2493$iZ1.1817@trnddc03...>> > When should the wrists be un-hinged? The later I wait the more I>need to>> > roll my wrists around before the club strikes the ball. If I>un-hings>> > higher up in the downswing the club face is aligned with the ball>longer>> > but I've lost some club head speed.>>
Try not allowing the wrists to release- swing through smoothly and>try to>> make impact with your wrists in the same position as they were on the>
downswing. It can't actually be done, but it will tend to put you in>a>> better impact position and it causes the release to be entirely>driven by>> centrifugal force, as it should be. If at any point on your>downswing you>> feel like you're unhinging your wrists, you're feeling that wrist lag>
disappearing too early. Try this drill:>> http://members.aol.com/annika1980/mwpump.wmv - you simply pump the>arms on>> the downswing without letting go of the wrist lag, and then hit it by>
continuing the arm pump feeling thru impact.>
Notice how much from the inside the club approaches the ball>in that drill. That turns out to be a key part of this drill,>at least for me. I just finished an incredible session at the>range, just working on the pump drill and swinging inside out.>It really felt like a breakthrough day, crushing about 80%>of the balls I hit.>
The other thing to notice about that drill is it's not just>her arms that are moving when she pumps - the knees are moving too.
It really is an excellent drill, particularly for one plane swingers.
David Geesaman 29 April 2005 16:40:47 [ permanent link ]
"Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com> wrote in message news:jck271l28petkefddh7nehv3jjavo6d1d6@4ax.com...> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:52:16 -0400, "David Geesaman" > <dgeesamannospam@yahoo.com>> wrote:>
If the ball is spraying right, make sure you're not breaking down the left>>wrist at the top.>
Why do you say that?>
IME, many golfers who manipulate the release (cast the club) are also overactive in rotating the wrists. So when they let the club release properly they also stop rotating the clubface and leave it open at impact. I find that at the top of the backswing, if the left wrist needs to stay flat to the forearm, it will be square at impact also. I have also noticed that overswinging tends to lead to wrist breakdown as well. When I properly let the club swing without manipulation, and I keep the left wrist square, I consistently pound the snot out of the ball, and very straight. I mentioned it because I know I'm not the only one who should mind it.
David Geesaman 29 April 2005 16:50:12 [ permanent link ]
"David Geesaman" <dgeesamannospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d4ta0h02euh@news2.newsguy.com...> "Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com> wrote in message > news:jck271l28petkefddh7nehv3jjavo6d1d6@4ax.com...>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:52:16 -0400, "David Geesaman" >> <dgeesamannospam@yahoo.com>>> wrote:>>
If the ball is spraying right, make sure you're not breaking down the >>>left>>>wrist at the top.>>
Why do you say that?>>
Grr. Usenet needs an "Edit" function.
IME, many golfers who manipulate the release (cast the club) are also > overactive in rotating the wrists. So when they let the club release > properly they also stop rotating the clubface and leave it open at impact. > I find that at the top of the backswing, if the left wrist needs to stay > flat to the forearm, it will be square at impact also.
Should read: if the left wrist remains flat to the forearm, the clubface will be square at impact also.
I have also noticed that overswinging tends to lead to wrist breakdown as > well.
Should read: ...too long of a backswing encourages wrist breakdown. If you're having trouble keeping the wrist flat at the top, cut down the length of backswing 20%.
When I properly let the club swing without manipulation, and I keep the > left wrist square, I consistently pound the snot out of the ball, and very > straight. I mentioned it because I know I'm not the only one who should > mind it.>
"David Geesaman" <dgeesamannospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d4ta0h02euh@news2.newsguy.com...> "Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com> wrote in message > news:jck271l28petkefddh7nehv3jjavo6d1d6@4ax.com...>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:52:16 -0400, "David Geesaman" >> <dgeesamannospam@yahoo.com>>> wrote:>>
If the ball is spraying right, make sure you're not breaking down the >>>left>>>wrist at the top.>>
Why do you say that?>>
IME, many golfers who manipulate the release (cast the club) are also > overactive in rotating the wrists. So when they let the club release > properly they also stop rotating the clubface and leave it open at impact. > I find that at the top of the backswing, if the left wrist needs to stay > flat to the forearm, it will be square at impact also. I have also > noticed that overswinging tends to lead to wrist breakdown as well.> When I properly let the club swing without manipulation, and I keep the > left wrist square, I consistently pound the snot out of the ball, and very > straight. I mentioned it because I know I'm not the only one who should > mind it.
What do you mean by "wrist breakdown"? Does this mean that the wrist is pronating or supinating or neither?
In Ben Hogan's "Five Lessons", he mentions that wrist supination is desirable. The question is, should the wrist be supinating at the point of impact only or can you supinate at the top?
Another thing that puzzles me is that I've seen some video of pros' swings at the top, and they are able to form an acute angle between the club and their left arms. I don't see how this is possible with out some wrist pronation. Is it OK to pronate the wrist at the top?
On Sun, 01 May 2005 03:20:48 GMT, "Fred Taylor" <freddyt@yahoo.com> wrote:
...>Fly swatter? There's not a single way to swat a fly. With an elusive fly, >you could be using a forehand swat, a backhand swat, or just be flailing. ...
I think a backhand swat is exactly what you want. Due to the left wrist unhinging, a backhand hit has far more speed than a forehand thrust. I can usually nail a fly with a good backhand slap, rarely with a forehand. Try it. That's why Larry is right about the left side leading IMO.
"Fred Taylor" <freddyt@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:kWXce.4008$Gd7.2302@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...>
I think a more appropriate way to describe the two possible motions of the > wrist would be: "knocking on a door" or "hammering a nail". Out of these > two, I think David means "hammering a nail".
Yes. Better description.
--Tom
Of course, I'm only talking about the wrist motion, since you'd most > likely swing a hammer straight down rather than at an angle as with a golf > club.>
On 30-Apr-2005, David Geesaman <dgeesamanIHateSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hogan is referring to supination (and it's opposing rotation,> pronation). See p100 of the paperback copy. This is different motion> from palmar (dorsi)flexion. Hold the left forearm horizontal, hand open> and palm facing the floor. Rotating the hand so that the palm faces up> is supination. Rotating it back so it faces the floor is pronation.> (Because this is caused by the two bones of the forearm rotating around> each other, I tend to think of this as forearm rotation moreso than> wrist action.) Hogan's waggle is nothing more than supination/pronation> of the wrists together.
Ah, then it is like lying prone or supine. When I have asked for definitions in the past, I have been told to read his book. It's good to see definitions posted at last.
On 30-Apr-2005, David Geesaman <dgeesamanIHateSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hope this helps - it's very detailed but I believe very accurate. If I> had a helper I would take pictures to illustrate as well. It is a> composite of what my past golf pros have shown me to be ideal, and it> didn't take much blending. While I haven't forked $$ to study SLAP or> Natural Golf in enough detail to compare, I am convinced that modern> pros stray very little from the motions I speak above.
