Did I hear Miller say that many balls are recovered each year by scuba> divers? That's over 328 per day.
Thats an amazing stat but very believable if the golfers there play anything like the ones on my home course. One of me in each group of 4 could pretty much do it 8).
"Sean" <none> wrote in message news:78h841p0g0hs6s6bvhintpofe0t7532oe8@4ax.com...> Did I hear Miller say that many balls are recovered each year by scuba> divers? That's over 328 per day.
"TomCAt" <tomcatm@copper.net> wrote in message news:42445484_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...> How big is the 17th island green?>
On tv, it looks ok.>
Is it really small?>
How big say in comparison to the average green.
I am not sure about the actual size but on TGC last night they were talking about the new camera setup and how it better shows how small the green is. What has always struck me about the green is the lack of fringe around it. How easy it is to land on the green and the ball could still find water because it seems like there is only a couple of feet of fringe between the green and the edge. Steve
"Sean" <none> wrote in message news:78h841p0g0hs6s6bvhintpofe0t7532oe8@4ax.com...> Did I hear Miller say that many balls are recovered each year by scuba> divers? That's over 328 per day.
There was a golf magazine article years ago about how many rounds ppl play and they highlighted one guy who has an original membership there that allows him to play the course for free. He typically played two rounds a day, everyday. If I remember correctly, a few years he logged over 700 rounds on the course but ususally it was in the low to mid 600s. He estimated that he had put about 5,000 balls in the water on 17 to go with his 1 hole in one. Steve
On 25-Mar-2005, "Steve" <stevebNoSpamPlease@comcast.com> wrote:
I am not sure about the actual size but on TGC last night they were> talking> about the new camera setup and how it better shows how small the green is.>
What has always struck me about the green is the lack of fringe around it.>
How easy it is to land on the green and the ball could still find water> because it seems like there is only a couple of feet of fringe between the>
green and the edge.
Amazingly enough yesterday I saw 4 different balls reach the fringe - on the walkway to the island. Ernie stopped at the drop area until he noticed his caddy continuing on.
Is it possible to hit over the green on purpose. Land beyond the walkway and pitch back to the green.
If I was leading the tournament and I had to have a par, why not go long/pitch/putt.
"Steve" <stevebNoSpamPlease@comcast.com> wrote in message news:oIGdnbMwyMjIytnfRVn-jw@speakeasy.net...>
"TomCAt" <tomcatm@copper.net> wrote in message > news:42445484_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...>> How big is the 17th island green?>>
On tv, it looks ok.>>
Is it really small?>>
How big say in comparison to the average green.>
I am not sure about the actual size but on TGC last night they were > talking about the new camera setup and how it better shows how small the > green is. What has always struck me about the green is the lack of fringe > around it. How easy it is to land on the green and the ball could still > find water because it seems like there is only a couple of feet of fringe > between the green and the edge.> Steve>
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:09:27 -0500, "TomCAt" <tomcatm@copper.net> wrote:
Is it possible to hit over the green on purpose. Land beyond the walkway >and pitch back to the green.>
If I was leading the tournament and I had to have a par, why not go >long/pitch/putt.>
Its an island. Only if you land on the path do you not still have to pitch over water. I'd think that it would be easier to hit the green from the tee and two putt, rather than try to get up and down with a pitch back to the green....still over water. If the real green is replicated correctly at Tour 18, it is pretty good downhill from back to front. ___ \o ' | / \ Someone likes every shot* bk
"TomCAt" <tomcatm@copper.net> wrote in message news:42448c6c$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...> Is it possible to hit over the green on purpose. Land beyond the walkway > and pitch back to the green.>
If I was leading the tournament and I had to have a par, why not go > long/pitch/putt.
From what I have heard about the severity of the green, I would highly doubt that is the smart percentage play. I would be interested in hearing what percent of those who take a drop get up and down from there as that is probably going to be the best possible place where you are going to have a chance to do so. In addition, if you are leading the tourney, you are obviously playing well and the majority of players are making par or better so why you would want to not go for the green is beyond me. Steve
Steve wrote:> "Sean" <none> wrote in message > news:78h841p0g0hs6s6bvhintpofe0t7532oe8@4ax.com...>
Did I hear Miller say that many balls are recovered each year by scuba>>divers? That's over 328 per day.>
There was a golf magazine article years ago about how many rounds ppl play > and they highlighted one guy who has an original membership there that > allows him to play the course for free. He typically played two rounds a > day, everyday. If I remember correctly, a few years he logged over 700 > rounds on the course but ususally it was in the low to mid 600s. He > estimated that he had put about 5,000 balls in the water on 17 to go with > his 1 hole in one.> Steve
600 rounds a year?? That's the avid golfers' avid golfer.
600 rounds a year?? That's the avid golfers' avid golfer.>
David
The article talked about how many rounds a number of people played from well know pros to celebrities like M. Jordan, to caddies and those involved in golf, PGA, USGA execs, tour player reps etc. Most were in the 100 range and I think the 2nd most was in the 300s, may have been Jordan, I know his number was high, but this one guy has a sweet deal where he can play TPC Sawgrass for free because he was one of the original members where the cost was a one time only fee and I think the free rounds include a cart and that is what he does, every day, 2 times a day. Steve
On 25-Mar-2005, "TomCAt" <tomcatm@copper.net> wrote:
Is it possible to hit over the green on purpose. Land beyond the walkway> and pitch back to the green.
How much space is there back there, and how far away is it from the tee and from the green?
If I was leading the tournament and I had to have a par, why not go> long/pitch/putt.
There's always the question on how sure you are. The vast majority of the leaders hit the green. If you don't think you can do so - how did you get to be the leader?
Jeffrey A . Setaro 26 March 2005 03:56:44 [ permanent link ]
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:28:19 -0800, "Steve" <stevebNoSpamPlease@comcast.com> wrote:
"Sean" <none> wrote in message >news:78h841p0g0hs6s6bvhintpofe0t7532oe8@4ax.com...>> Did I hear Miller say that many balls are recovered each year by scuba>> divers? That's over 328 per day.>
There was a golf magazine article years ago about how many rounds ppl play >and they highlighted one guy who has an original membership there that >allows him to play the course for free. He typically played two rounds a >day, everyday. If I remember correctly, a few years he logged over 700 >rounds on the course but ususally it was in the low to mid 600s. He >estimated that he had put about 5,000 balls in the water on 17 to go with >his 1 hole in one.>Steve >
The first time I played there I tossed a couple balls in the water as a sacrifice... Didn't help though.
First shot was an 8 iron that hit the back of the green and bounced into the water. Third shot was a 9 iron that caught the top of the retaining wall and bounced in to the water. Fifth shot was an 8 iron to about twenty feet... Two puts later I walked to the 18 tee mumbling unkind things about Pete Dye!
Cheers-
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