"Chris" <chris@nospam.com> skrev i meddelandet news:1kY_d.128586$pc5.124901@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...> Get off the course, man!> I couldn't agree more!
That's a sorry argument, always has been, always will be. Whether someone is a fan of someone else or not, this is a golf discussion group. Most of us can't play the game all that well, doesn't mean that we can't make observations. Has nothing to do with 'how many majors I've won.' My opinion may not be shared by others. Just cracks me up with this line of logic.
"BowTie - Chevy" <bowtieroller@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1111250907.736586.184570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> How many majors have you won ?>
troll "Gordo" <luvgolf@augusta.com> wrote in message news:MUY_d.108509$%U2.47428@lakeread01...> That's a sorry argument, always has been, always will be. Whether someone > is a fan of someone else or not, this is a golf discussion group. Most of > us can't play the game all that well, doesn't mean that we can't make > observations. Has nothing to do with 'how many majors I've won.' My > opinion may not be shared by others. Just cracks me up with this line of > logic.>
"BowTie - Chevy" <bowtieroller@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1111250907.736586.184570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>> How many majors have you won ?>>
"BowTie - Chevy" <bowtieroller@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1111250907.736586.184570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> How many majors have you won ?>
If only people who have won majors can comment on the performance of players, then how many majors have you won? That is a completely irrelevant thing to say.
If you disagree what others have said and think that Duval should keep playing, you are entitled to your opinion, just like those who think otherwise.
"Matt" <rebel_144@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ZiZ_d.142385$nC5.81412@twister.nyroc.rr.com...> The REAL plan>
Play full time till his Open exemption status is finished then after that> play an event here and there. Then dissapear and never be heard from
again.> The Real, Real plan.
Play just enough to fulfill the requirements of his $5 million per year Nike endorsement contract, and then give up the game when the contract expires.
??? You have a point to make, let's hear it? I'm certainly not banging my head against the wall to just get some response. Please, by all means, enlighten me with your philosophy.
"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:ZJZ_d.4792$ot.2577@tornado.texas.rr.com...> troll> "Gordo" <luvgolf@augusta.com> wrote in message > news:MUY_d.108509$%U2.47428@lakeread01...>> That's a sorry argument, always has been, always will be. Whether >> someone is a fan of someone else or not, this is a golf discussion group. >> Most of us can't play the game all that well, doesn't mean that we can't >> make observations. Has nothing to do with 'how many majors I've won.' >> My opinion may not be shared by others. Just cracks me up with this line >> of logic.>>
"BowTie - Chevy" <bowtieroller@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1111250907.736586.184570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>>> How many majors have you won ?>>>
"A.T. Barr" <albertbarr@alltel.net> wrote in message news:8774c$423c8fec$8b372210$880@ALLTEL.NET...> IMO, it's better to be a has been, than a never was. What are you?
Boy, you must really get roiled when Sports Center anchors go off on a guy, or when Rome does, etc. Are you going to tell me you have never critiqued the performance of a writer, a poet, a playwright, a co-worker, a president, or a diplomat?
ChrisTheHeretic 20 March 2005 12:10:22 [ permanent link ]
Chris <chris@nospam.com> wrote: : "A.T. Barr" <albertbarr@alltel.net> wrote in message : news:8774c$423c8fec$8b372210$880@ALLTEL.NET... : > IMO, it's better to be a has been, than a never was. What are you? : : Boy, you must really get roiled when Sports Center anchors go off on a guy, : or when Rome does, etc. Are you going to tell me you have never critiqued : the performance of a writer, a poet, a playwright, a co-worker, a president, : or a diplomat? : : You sissies make me laugh.
You would know all about being a sissy, dude. It takes zero courage to cower behind a computer monitor and criticize a guy while he's struggling. It also takes zero humanity. Which seems to be about what you have accrued.
"ChrisTheHeretic" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message >> You would know all about being a sissy, dude. It takes zero> courage to cower behind a computer monitor and criticize a> guy while he's struggling. It also takes zero humanity. Which> seems to be about what you have accrued.
Just curious. So you have never criticized an athlete for a poor performance?
Mark A wrote:> "ChrisTheHeretic" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message >>
You would know all about being a sissy, dude. It takes zero>>courage to cower behind a computer monitor and criticize a>>guy while he's struggling. It also takes zero humanity. Which>>seems to be about what you have accrued.>
Just curious. So you have never criticized an athlete for a poor> performance?>
CtH has no problem criticizing someone, he just takes issue with the pussies who hide behind a computer while doing it. You know, the old "everybodies a tough guy on the internet" syndrome.
ChrisTheHeretic 20 March 2005 19:07:05 [ permanent link ]
Mark A <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: : "ChrisTheHeretic" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message > : > You would know all about being a sissy, dude. It takes zero : > courage to cower behind a computer monitor and criticize a : > guy while he's struggling. It also takes zero humanity. Which : > seems to be about what you have accrued. : : Just curious. So you have never criticized an athlete for a poor : performance?
In an individual sport? Hell no.
In a team sport where others are brought down by his poor play? Yes, but never in the "Joe Blow sucks, he just needs to give it up" vein. There's a big difference between that and "Blow stunk it up pretty bad today, he needs to get it together."
"ChrisTheHeretic" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message> : Just curious. So you have never criticized an athlete for a poor> : performance?>
In an individual sport? Hell no.>
In a team sport where others are brought down by his poor play?> Yes, but never in the "Joe Blow sucks, he just needs to give it> up" vein. There's a big difference between that and "Blow stunk> it up pretty bad today, he needs to get it together."
Get over yourself. You've obviously never watched sports TV commentary.
ChrisTheHeretic 20 March 2005 20:26:14 [ permanent link ]
Chris <chris@nospam.com> wrote: : "ChrisTheHeretic" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message : > : Just curious. So you have never criticized an athlete for a poor : > : performance? : > : > In an individual sport? Hell no. : > : > In a team sport where others are brought down by his poor play? : > Yes, but never in the "Joe Blow sucks, he just needs to give it : > up" vein. There's a big difference between that and "Blow stunk : > it up pretty bad today, he needs to get it together." : : Get over yourself. You've obviously never watched sports TV commentary.
The "everybody else does it" doesn't make you any less of a worm for piling on yourself.
"ChrisTheHeretic" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message> : I don't really see the difference between a team sport and an individual> : sport.>
Seriously, you must not be trying very hard. There's a huge> difference between being obligated only to self and being> obligated to team.>
Nope. They are all indirectly obligated to the fans who pay their salaries and endorsement contracts.
: People make comments about the performance of athletes all time, in> : the media, in conversations, etc.>
Have I come out against comments? No.>
What you do is your own business. What other people do is their own businesss. Why don't you mind you own business. This is a forum about golf and the people who play it.
What I dislike (greatly) is kicking a guy while he's down,> especially while he's hurting no one but himself. The guy> was a great player, he's still young, let's see if he can> work it out. People thought that Hal Sutton was done years> before his renaissance, too. It happens.>
cb
I don't recall Hal Sutton missing the Cut by 41 strokes and 25 strokes in consecutive tournaments that he played in.
Whether or not Duval can come back certainly has nothing to do with anything anyone says here, so quit being so self-important as to think it does.
On 20-Mar-2005, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
What about is someone is past their prime in a team sport and needs to> retire? Sometimes an athlete can't "get it together" anymore.>
I don't really see the difference between a team sport and an individual> sport. People make comments about the performance of athletes all time, in> the media, in conversations, etc.
I do. When someone is playing for a team, that team may decide that the player needs to retire. If he's playing for himself, let him play as long as he qualifies.
I remember people complaining that Willie Mays was hurting his legacy by playing after he became ordinary. But people don't really remember that. Some people are concerned about their image. Others just love the game. Apparently DD would rather play than have an untarnished image.
I'm not big on image myself. Politicians worry about image.
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:14:44 GMT, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:>I do. When someone is playing for a team, that team may decide that the player>needs to retire. If he's playing for himself, let him play as long as he>qualifies.
That would make perfect sense, under the usual definition of "qualifies." But golf is different, since you can "qualify" by virtue of a past achievement that has nothing to do with how well you can play today. I am rooting for DD to get his game back, but as it stands, he really is embarrassing himself, and diluting the quality of the tour. I find it very hard to believe that someone with his experience is unable to tell whether or not his game has come back to the point where he can consistently break 80 in an event.
"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message news:d1mq4i$r4e$1@peabody.colorado.edu...>
But if he never finds it, he has lost the opportunity to play for a couple
years on the PGA Tour.
Duval says that he doesn't like playing on the Tour away from his family. I think it may have something to do with his Nike contract (just speculating).
I do. When someone is playing for a team, that team may decide that the> >player> >needs to retire. If he's playing for himself, let him play as long as he> >qualifies.>
That would make perfect sense, under the usual definition of> "qualifies." But golf is different, since you can "qualify" by virtue> of a past achievement that has nothing to do with how well you can> play today.
So?
I am rooting for DD to get his game back, but as it> stands, he really is embarrassing himself, and diluting the quality of> the tour.
The top of the tour isn't being diluted, and the paying fans don't care about the bottom of the tour unless there's a name player (such as DD) down there.
I find it very hard to believe that someone with his> experience is unable to tell whether or not his game has come back to> the point where he can consistently break 80 in an event.
Then don't believe it. I expect he knows exactly how poorly he's playing. I'd do the same thing that he's doing, if I could.
"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:74-dnb0NHP6-maLfRVn-sQ@comcast.com...> "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message> news:d1mq4i$r4e$1@peabody.colorado.edu...>>
But if he never finds it, he has lost the opportunity to play for a >> couple> of>> years on the PGA Tour.>
Duval says that he doesn't like playing on the Tour away from his family. > I> think it may have something to do with his Nike contract (just > speculating).>
Which players said they enjoy being away from their families when playing on tour?
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:21:17 GMT, "Chris" <chris@nospam.com> wrote:
Get off the course, man!>
A few years ago I watched Duval at St Andrews and he ripped the course apart said it was his type of course and made for him.I hope he dredges up past memories and plays well at this years Open.I like Duval and wish him well in Scotland,mind he should come over and play Scottish Open first or at least find some premier links course to practice on or he is doomed.
On 7-Apr-2005, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
The Masters is one tournament where he won't have the high score.
Right after I posted this, I checked the leaderboard and his face was looking at me (as the leader). I didn't expect that at all. 8 strokes ahead of Billy Casper.
In article <d340eo$86o$1@peabody.colorado.edu>, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
On 7-Apr-2005, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:>
The Masters is one tournament where he won't have the high score.>
Right after I posted this, I checked the leaderboard and his face was looking > at> me (as the leader). I didn't expect that at all. 8 strokes ahead of Billy> Casper.
Ooooof! Now 20 strokes ahead. Casper took a 14 (yes, a 14, if you can believe the Masters.org website) on the par 3 16th.
-- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
On 7-Apr-2005, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:>
That is not saying much. I am not even sure that Casper could beat Pope John> > Paul II.>
Did Casper really get a 14 on the par 3 16th hole? What do you call 11 over> on a hole?
My first reaction when I saw how he was doing (Currently +20 through 8 holes) was a smile that here was a guy in a major tournament scoring like I usually do.
Then I thought about it and realized if I was playing there, I probably couldn't even draw the club back with all those people watching me.
I would also have the advantage that if I get anywhere near 14 shots on a hole, I'm into ESC and can stop the humilation. They can't.
"GolfRat" <GolfRat@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:42558FD7.B3D2A17F@nowhere.com...>
My first reaction when I saw how he was doing (Currently +20 through 8
holes) was> a smile that here was a guy in a major tournament scoring like I usually do.>
Then I thought about it and realized if I was playing there, I probably
couldn't> even draw the club back with all those people watching me.>
I would also have the advantage that if I get anywhere near 14 shots on a
hole,> I'm into ESC and can stop the humilation. They can't.> Do you know who Casper is? He is a former champion who gets a lifetime exemption. The guy is approaching 74 years of age. I don't see how people can gain much solace from playing better than a 74 year old.
I listened to the early holes on an internet radio station (the link was posted here, something like www.masters.org). One of the announcers was talking about Duval and how happy he is now, that his wife is now pregnant, and how he doesn't care much about whether he is playing well.
The announcer said that Duval has some very long term endorsement contracts and that Duval has certain appearance obligations he must fulfill. But I got the impression that otherwise, Duval would not even be playing. Apparently, if Duval does not play in a tournament (such as if he does not qualify) he has to do other personal appearances.
I know he is getting $5 million per year from Nike, and apparently it is a very long term contract.
"GolfRat" <GolfRat@nowhere.com> wrote in message>news:42558FD7.B3D2A17F@nowhere.com...>>
My first reaction when I saw how he was doing (Currently +20 through 8>holes) was>> a smile that here was a guy in a major tournament scoring like I usually>do.>>
Then I thought about it and realized if I was playing there, I probably>couldn't>> even draw the club back with all those people watching me.>>
I would also have the advantage that if I get anywhere near 14 shots on a>hole,>> I'm into ESC and can stop the humilation. They can't.>>
Do you know who Casper is? He is a former champion who gets a lifetime>exemption. The guy is approaching 74 years of age. I don't see how people>can gain much solace from playing better than a 74 year old.>
Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper should be able to break 90. ___ \o ' | / \ Someone likes every shot* bk
"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message> Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that> consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper> should be able to break 90.
Depends on the person. A lot of people are dead by that age, and many others cannot play golf at all.
"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:kPmdnS2Jk6vSasjfRVn-rA@comcast.com...> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message>> Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that>> consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper>> should be able to break 90.>
Depends on the person. A lot of people are dead by that age, and many > others> cannot play golf at all.
Wow. Brilliant. Did you look those stats up somewhere?
Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that> >> consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper> >> should be able to break 90.> >
Depends on the person. A lot of people are dead by that age, and many> > others> > cannot play golf at all.>
Wow. Brilliant.> Did you look those stats up somewhere?>
Look bud, I am not the one who takes solace in the fact that I can beat a 74 year old.
"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message>> Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that>> consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper>> should be able to break 90.>
Depends on the person. A lot of people are dead by that age, and many others>cannot play golf at all.>
That's what I meant by age being just a number. ___ \o ' | / \ Someone likes every shot* bk
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:22:48 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.net> wrote:
"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message >news:kPmdnS2Jk6vSasjfRVn-rA@comcast.com...>> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message>>> Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that>>> consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper>>> should be able to break 90.>>
Depends on the person. A lot of people are dead by that age, and many >> others>> cannot play golf at all.>
Wow. Brilliant.>Did you look those stats up somewhere? >
72% of those that are dead by that age cannot play golf at all. I looked it up. ___ \o ' | / \ Someone likes every shot* bk
"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:_Ludne_sxfdKZ8jfRVn-ug@comcast.com...>> >> Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that>> >> consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper>> >> should be able to break 90.>> >
Depends on the person. A lot of people are dead by that age, and many>> > others>> > cannot play golf at all.>>
Wow. Brilliant.>> Did you look those stats up somewhere?>>
Look bud, I am not the one who takes solace in the fact that I can beat a > 74> year old.
I ain't your bud. And I ain't the guy who beats on a former #1 who's struggling. Further--You Can't Play yourself.
"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message news:3uub519rjdsam6fhqkuf6apn7ne3e4ir7q@4ax.com...> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:22:48 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.net>> wrote:>
"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message>>news:kPmdnS2Jk6vSasjfRVn-rA@comcast.com...>>> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message>>>> Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that>>>> consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper>>>> should be able to break 90.>>>
Depends on the person. A lot of people are dead by that age, and many>>> others>>> cannot play golf at all.>>
Wow. Brilliant.>>Did you look those stats up somewhere?>>
72% of those that are dead by that age cannot play golf at all. I> looked it up.
99% of those that play with Mark A laugh. The rest die.
"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.net> wrote in message news:dRn5e.140$zD3.775@news.uswest.net...> I ain't your bud.> And I ain't the guy who beats on a former #1 who's struggling.> Further--You Can't Play yourself.> Duval is not struggling. He doesn't give a crap. He is happier than he has ever been in his entire life.
Can't play? Well, I will play you for $100,000, 18 holes stroke play, straight up.
"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.net> wrote in message>news:dRn5e.140$zD3.775@news.uswest.net...>> I ain't your bud.>> And I ain't the guy who beats on a former #1 who's struggling.>> Further--You Can't Play yourself.>>
Duval is not struggling. He doesn't give a crap. He is happier than he has>ever been in his entire life.>
Can't play? Well, I will play you for $100,000, 18 holes stroke play,>straight up.>
I'd be careful if I were you Mark...... ___ \o ' | / \ Someone likes every shot* bk
On 7-Apr-2005, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
The announcer said that Duval has some very long term endorsement contracts> and that Duval has certain appearance obligations he must fulfill. But I got> the impression that otherwise, Duval would not even be playing. Apparently,> if Duval does not play in a tournament (such as if he does not qualify) he> has to do other personal appearances.
His interviews indicate that he expects to be back. He thinks his game is close.
In article <d360js$e2o$1@peabody.colorado.edu>, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
On 7-Apr-2005, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:>
The announcer said that Duval has some very long term endorsement contracts> > and that Duval has certain appearance obligations he must fulfill. But I got> > the impression that otherwise, Duval would not even be playing. Apparently,> > if Duval does not play in a tournament (such as if he does not qualify) he> > has to do other personal appearances.>
His interviews indicate that he expects to be back. He thinks his game is> close.
I think that if DD wants to play top-level golf again, he is doing exactly the right thing--practicing hard and playing in big events alongside the top players. Okay, the results aren't what he has hoped for but, mentally, he is still on Tour and still competing against the best.
If he started thinking negatively and "demoted" himself to minor tours, exhibitions or practice only, I think the hill might become nearly impossible to climb. He has a nice window of opportunity before his exemptions run out and I hope he does well.
Bruce
-- Bruce Newman * Fredericton, NB, Canada Open & Limited Edition Golf Art * http://brucenewman.com
"GolfRat" <GolfRat@nowhere.com> wrote in message> news:42558FD7.B3D2A17F@nowhere.com...> >
My first reaction when I saw how he was doing (Currently +20 through 8> holes) was> > a smile that here was a guy in a major tournament scoring like I usually> do.> >
Then I thought about it and realized if I was playing there, I probably> couldn't> > even draw the club back with all those people watching me.> >
I would also have the advantage that if I get anywhere near 14 shots on a> hole,> > I'm into ESC and can stop the humilation. They can't.> >
Do you know who Casper is?
Yes.
He is a former champion who gets a lifetime> exemption. The guy is approaching 74 years of age. I don't see how people> can gain much solace from playing better than a 74 year old.
I'll be blunt. You have a reading comprehension problem. For one thing, if you read my post with a little more care, you would realize I'm saying I'm NOT as good as that 74 year old.
Given that little fact, I would hardly be taking solace in it.
In fact, I stand in awe that these guys are as good as they are, even at age 74. He was playing from the tips - I don't. He doesn't get to limit strokes with ESC. I do. He plays in front of crowds where I probably couldn't even draw the club back for nerves.
What I do take solace in is that even the pros supposedly on top of there game can duck hook a shot into the woods with the ball ending up 70 yards from the tee. In otherwords, I take solace in the fact these guys are - after all - human. But even so, I wish them the best. When Tiger was needing that par putt to get his 5 after the tree, under the trees, in the bunker start, I did want him to make it.
At very least the way you rag on D. Duval - Pot Kettle Black
"GolfRat" <GolfRat@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:4256A09F.4901FB61@nowhere.com...> What I do take solace in is that even the pros supposedly on top of there game> can duck hook a shot into the woods with the ball ending up 70 yards from
tee. In otherwords, I take solace in the fact these guys are - after all -> human.
I can understand that. But I don't understand what Casper has to do with this, since he is a very old man only playing because of some silly lifetime exemption rule.
At very least the way you rag on D. Duval - Pot Kettle Black>
"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:kPmdnS2Jk6vSasjfRVn-rA@comcast.com...> > "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message> >> Its just a number. I play with a 76 year old every week that> >> consistently shoots between 77-84...but not a Augusta. Still, Casper> >> should be able to break 90.> >
Depends on the person. A lot of people are dead by that age, and many > > others> > cannot play golf at all.>
People I play with tell me I'm both, and I'm not even 76 yet.
