I think that the key to moving up the golf ladder, so to speak, is getting a feeling for the transition move, the change from backswing to downswing. This is generally the slowest part of the swing, and while I feel we may be able to descibe it in simple terms, it tends to be the part of the swing that is most often misapplied, and tends to make for less than optimum swings. At this point, I am opening this up for discussion. striker
nsch...@att.net wrote:> I think that the key to moving up the golf ladder, so to speak, is> getting a feeling for the transition move, the change from backswing
downswing. This is generally the slowest part of the swing, and while
feel we may be able to descibe it in simple terms, it tends to be the> part of the swing that is most often misapplied, and tends to make
less than optimum swings. At this point, I am opening this up for> discussion.> striker
It seems you need to start a blog of frequently asked swing questions. Then answer them yourself in your own blog.
Steve, thanks, i know thats helpful, but i don't fully understand. will think about it. honestly, i haven't advanced to starting a blog, just read them. so are you saying that my approach is not appropriate for this forum? sincerely, striker
nsch...@att.net wrote:> I think that the key to moving up the golf ladder, so to speak, is> getting a feeling for the transition move, the change from backswing
downswing. This is generally the slowest part of the swing, and while
feel we may be able to descibe it in simple terms, it tends to be the> part of the swing that is most often misapplied, and tends to make
less than optimum swings. At this point, I am opening this up for> discussion.> striker
I do that and in addition I am working> with both the Whippy and an impact> bag, hoping that training my right side to> lead, teaching my right hand to control> the club, to pull it through rather than> allowing my left side to push-- will> ingrain--and become my grooved habit.
Striker,
Be aware that Larry may have neglected to inform you that he is left handed; so when reading these comments you may want to visualize that. HTH
For me, the transition moves boils down to the idea that my lower body must lead the upper body and my right side must stay firm.
Bad things happen if my hands or shoulders start my swing or my right leg gets out of sorts. I know it's different for others, but that pretty much defines the transition for me.
<nschick@att.net> wrote in message news:1109791142.559877.48820@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>I think that the key to moving up the golf ladder, so to speak, is> getting a feeling for the transition move, the change from backswing to> downswing. This is generally the slowest part of the swing, and while I> feel we may be able to descibe it in simple terms, it tends to be the> part of the swing that is most often misapplied, and tends to make for> less than optimum swings. At this point, I am opening this up for> discussion.> striker>
On 2 Mar 2005 14:18:21 -0800, "art_classmn" <art_classmn@yahoo.com> wrote:
For me, the transition moves boils down to the idea that my lower body>must lead the upper body and my right side must stay firm.>
Bad things happen if my hands or shoulders start my swing or my right>leg gets out of sorts. I know it's different for others, but that>pretty much defines the transition for me.
It is very simple and you can do it perfectly. Just stand up where you are and swing the club in slow motion horizontally like you would baseball bat. Notice that as you take it back you rock onto your back foot and that as you complete your backswing you move forward, you step onto your front leg, your butt moves forward, but your shoulders stay closed, then as you swing your arms lead so that the "swish" occurs exactly opposite your shoes-- where your bat would meet the ball --or if you bent over and were swinging through a ball on the ground--the ball position. When you moved foward as you completed the backswing you made a perfect transition-- and the fastest velocity of your swing arc occurred at exactly the right place-- you did not decelerate--which is the purpose of the transition move.
<nschick@att.net> wrote in message news:1109791142.559877.48820@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>I think that the key to moving up the golf ladder, so to speak, is> getting a feeling for the transition move, the change from backswing to> downswing. This is generally the slowest part of the swing, and while I> feel we may be able to descibe it in simple terms, it tends to be the> part of the swing that is most often misapplied, and tends to make for> less than optimum swings. At this point, I am opening this up for> discussion.> striker>
Striker,
First let me state that I am, by no means, one who should be giving any kind of swing advice to anyone. I generally shoot in the mid to high 80's or low 90's depending on the difficulty of the course being played. This past Monday, I shot an 85 on a fairly difficult course and played from tee to green reasonably well. Striking the ball very crisply and getting good distance and accuracy. The score should have been much better, but I couldn't putt the ball in a washtub much less a 4" hole.
When I am swinging well for me, as I was then, there is really no top of the backswing. When my chin just touches my left shoulder, I start to turn my left hip back toward the ball. I don't think of my hands, arms, or shoulders, but just starting my left hip back to the ball. This hip turn starts my weight moving from my back foot to the front foot and pulls my hands and arms down to just above hip level. From there, all I attempt to do is hit the back of the ball hard with BOTH hands thru to the target. Try a slow motion swing to the top and turn the left hip back to the ball and see if this doesn't pull your hands and arms down to about hip level. The key for me, and what I have to stay aware of, is making sure that left shoulder touches my chin so I don't start down before completing the backswing. For me this is My transition move. YMMV..... -- Doyce
I think that the key to moving up the golf ladder, so to speak, is> getting a feeling for the transition move, the change from backswing to> downswing. This is generally the slowest part of the swing, and while I> feel we may be able to descibe it in simple terms, it tends to be the> part of the swing that is most often misapplied, and tends to make for> less than optimum swings. At this point, I am opening this up for> discussion.
A slight variation of this is working on tempo and not slowing down so much at the top (well, I know the swing stops - but you know what I mean).
On 3-Mar-2005, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
I asked all the young guys in my club who are now scratch or> below--how they started. EVERY ONE of them said they were pretty good> baseball players before they took up golf. My brother's son is UNLV> golf team graduate, +4 handicap, and has he same story. Played> T-Ball, Little League, etc. until high school-- and then took up golf.> He NEVER shot over 80! ha. They just use their baseball swing> through the golf ball--as Jim Flick recommends. Duhhh
Tiger took up golf before he took up baseball. There are people who were good hockey players before they took up golf. It's not surprising that people with good coördination are good at golf. Ask how many were good basketball players before they took up golf.
On 3-Mar-2005, "ClubCaster" <steveandrobinb@comcast.net> wrote:
Tiger took up golf before he took up baseball. There are people> who were good> > hockey players before they took up golf. It's not surprising that> people with> > good coördination are good at golf. Ask how many were good> basketball players> > before they took up golf.>
You mean like Charles Barkley? I don't mean to discount your point> entirely - certainly there is some validity to it - but I was a pretty> decent basketball player myself, and have a number of other friends who> were good roundball players but that suck at golf. But golf wasn't> readily available to us where we grew up. So, I don't believe for a> second that the reason I haven't been able to perform a fundamentally> sound golf swing is that I'm not coordinated enough.
Agreed. I'm thinking though that the correlation between baseball skill and golf isn't significantly higher than the correlation between golf and other sports. Certainly the correlation between athletes and golfers is higher than that between non-athletes and golfers.
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:38:41 GMT, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "ClubCaster" <steveandrobinb@comcast.net> wrote:>
Tiger took up golf before he took up baseball. There are people>> who were good>> > hockey players before they took up golf. It's not surprising that>> people with>> > good coördination are good at golf. Ask how many were good>> basketball players>> > before they took up golf.>>
You mean like Charles Barkley? I don't mean to discount your point>> entirely - certainly there is some validity to it - but I was a pretty>> decent basketball player myself, and have a number of other friends who>> were good roundball players but that suck at golf. But golf wasn't>> readily available to us where we grew up. So, I don't believe for a>> second that the reason I haven't been able to perform a fundamentally>> sound golf swing is that I'm not coordinated enough.>
Agreed. I'm thinking though that the correlation between baseball skill and>golf isn't significantly higher than the correlation between golf and other>sports. Certainly the correlation between athletes and golfers is higher>than that between non-athletes and golfers.
Not sure that is true. I know a phenomenal tennis player, current california state champion over 50 age bracket, teaching pro for 30+ years, took up golf 7 years ago--and still can't break 90. Bruce Jenner is struggling-- and many other pro athletes are just pathetic looking when they try to swing a golf club.
Those who are good, like Mark McGuire, were great golfers BEFORE they stayed with baseball.
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:38:41 GMT, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "ClubCaster" <steveandrobinb@comcast.net> wrote:>
Tiger took up golf before he took up baseball. There are people>> who were good>> > hockey players before they took up golf. It's not surprising that>> people with>> > good coördination are good at golf. Ask how many were good>> basketball players>> > before they took up golf.>>
You mean like Charles Barkley? I don't mean to discount your point>> entirely - certainly there is some validity to it - but I was a pretty>> decent basketball player myself, and have a number of other friends who>> were good roundball players but that suck at golf. But golf wasn't>> readily available to us where we grew up. So, I don't believe for a>> second that the reason I haven't been able to perform a fundamentally>> sound golf swing is that I'm not coordinated enough.>
Agreed. I'm thinking though that the correlation between baseball skill and>golf isn't significantly higher than the correlation between golf and other>sports. Certainly the correlation between athletes and golfers is higher>than that between non-athletes and golfers.
IMO, the best sport for golf is hockey. Hockey players have a highly developed sense of balance, great hand/eye coordination, and very strong legs and hands. I think that's why they adapt to golf so well. I've played with some hockey players. Most of them have good swings and hit it a long way.. One of them, a member at my club, is currently in the NHL (actually playing in Sweden this year due to the labor dispute). That guy, Mike Knuble, can flat out kill it. His swing is incredibly athletic and balanced.
On 3-Mar-2005, MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:
IMO, the best sport for golf is hockey. Hockey players have a highly> developed sense of balance, great hand/eye coordination, and very strong> legs and hands. I think that's why they adapt to golf so well. I've played> with some hockey players. Most of them have good swings and hit it a long> way.. One of them, a member at my club, is currently in the NHL (actually> playing in Sweden this year due to the labor dispute). That guy, Mike> Knuble, can flat out kill it. His swing is incredibly athletic and> balanced.
My son-in-law has played golf with a NHL player who is currently playing in Sweden (well, he's injured and out for the rest of the season). He is extremely impressed with the average level of play of Avalanche players. A few years back, they acquired a player who had never played golf in his life. He went to the locker and found two non-hockey topics of conversation dominated - women and golf. Stanis got addicted and later on built the first Latvian golf course.
In article <s1se21danre2mqujmb4qcnl4k6q1fq8k55@4ax.com>, MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:38:41 GMT, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:>
On 3-Mar-2005, "ClubCaster" <steveandrobinb@comcast.net> wrote:> >
Tiger took up golf before he took up baseball. There are people> >> who were good> >> > hockey players before they took up golf. It's not surprising that> >> people with> >> > good coördination are good at golf. Ask how many were good> >> basketball players> >> > before they took up golf.> >>
You mean like Charles Barkley? I don't mean to discount your point> >> entirely - certainly there is some validity to it - but I was a pretty> >> decent basketball player myself, and have a number of other friends who> >> were good roundball players but that suck at golf. But golf wasn't> >> readily available to us where we grew up. So, I don't believe for a> >> second that the reason I haven't been able to perform a fundamentally> >> sound golf swing is that I'm not coordinated enough.> >
Agreed. I'm thinking though that the correlation between baseball skill and> >golf isn't significantly higher than the correlation between golf and other> >sports. Certainly the correlation between athletes and golfers is higher> >than that between non-athletes and golfers.>
IMO, the best sport for golf is hockey. Hockey players have a highly> developed sense of balance, great hand/eye coordination, and very strong> legs and hands. I think that's why they adapt to golf so well. I've played> with some hockey players. Most of them have good swings and hit it a long> way.. One of them, a member at my club, is currently in the NHL (actually> playing in Sweden this year due to the labor dispute). That guy, Mike> Knuble, can flat out kill it. His swing is incredibly athletic and> balanced.
Not to mention that if you don't make the playoffs, you've got a nice summer off season!
<g>
-- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 03:47:00 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
In article <s1se21danre2mqujmb4qcnl4k6q1fq8k55@4ax.com>,> MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:>
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:38:41 GMT, "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote:>>
On 3-Mar-2005, "ClubCaster" <steveandrobinb@comcast.net> wrote:>> >
Tiger took up golf before he took up baseball. There are people>> >> who were good>> >> > hockey players before they took up golf. It's not surprising that>> >> people with>> >> > good coördination are good at golf. Ask how many were good>> >> basketball players>> >> > before they took up golf.>> >>
You mean like Charles Barkley? I don't mean to discount your point>> >> entirely - certainly there is some validity to it - but I was a pretty>> >> decent basketball player myself, and have a number of other friends who>> >> were good roundball players but that suck at golf. But golf wasn't>> >> readily available to us where we grew up. So, I don't believe for a>> >> second that the reason I haven't been able to perform a fundamentally>> >> sound golf swing is that I'm not coordinated enough.>> >
Agreed. I'm thinking though that the correlation between baseball skill and>> >golf isn't significantly higher than the correlation between golf and other>> >sports. Certainly the correlation between athletes and golfers is higher>> >than that between non-athletes and golfers.>>
IMO, the best sport for golf is hockey. Hockey players have a highly>> developed sense of balance, great hand/eye coordination, and very strong>> legs and hands. I think that's why they adapt to golf so well. I've played>> with some hockey players. Most of them have good swings and hit it a long>> way.. One of them, a member at my club, is currently in the NHL (actually>> playing in Sweden this year due to the labor dispute). That guy, Mike>> Knuble, can flat out kill it. His swing is incredibly athletic and>> balanced. >
Not to mention that if you don't make the playoffs, you've got a nice >summer off season!>
<g>
Their golf games should be really sharp this year, at least the ones who didn't go to Europe to play hockey. They've been playing golf all winter in Florida.
"Perfect Impact" <georgehibbard@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:%qDVd.47407$u87.17600@bignews6.bellsouth.net...>
The transition move requires 1) that your left hip move sideways left > while the upswing is finishing BY ALLOWING YOUR WEIGHT TO FALL FROM THE > INSIDE OF your right leg - if you got ON the right leg at backswing, you > get stuck there: lean on it only - don't STAND on it): 2) moving the > hands down only without any shoulder turn at the outset of any forward > motion in the upper body. ANY aroundness destroys the ability to swing > the hands, arms, or club on plane. It is an automatic over-the-top to > turn your shoulders - the right shoulder should also 'swing down at the > target line'...>
People say "I swung too fast!" The truth is that they "swung too Early!" > i.e., before their weight had a chance to GET to the left side FIRST.>
We admire Couples and Els most of all, and without knowing why, what we > recognize on an intuitive level is that they cooperate with, not fight, > natural gravitational action in their BODIES - falling takes time same as > it does when a tree topples after being chopped. It is not an immediate > and full speed drop. Or the same as the turnaround of a playground > swing - it hovers as gravity changes its upward momentum to downward - > gradually applying acceleration, not yanking the sucker down.>
On 3 Mar 2005 09:25:24 -0800, "ClubCaster" <steveandrobinb@comcast.net> wrote:
I have, of course, tried these things but haven't been able to get it>right. Steps 2 and 3 do raise some interesting questions though.>Although I've tried to do these things, I've never quite understood the>value of getting all coiled up at the top on the backswing, if you're>just going to let that built-up tension dissipate anyway by letting>your arms drop down as you start the downswing.
Finally someone who thinks past the nose on his face! I've been reading this thread and no one has come close to explaining the main purpose of the transition.
When we set up the spine should be vertical with our head centered between our feet. If we drew lines between our feet and head it should form an acute triangle. If we set up with our head back towards our right foot and redrew the lines it would form a right triangle. We don't want this, it works against shifting our weight as well as moves the low point back.
As we get to the top we transition. Geometrically it flattens the shaft. Physically it removes the slack between our upper and lower body. Swingers will transition with a slide parallel to the target line. Hitters will transition with a slide slightly toward right field known as cross-lateral. We transition and remove the slack and now our hip action can go to work;
1) leading and powering our downstroke shoulder turn.
2) shifting our mass left of center shifting our weight to the left (this is why our head should be centered).
3) tilts our spine allowing the right shoulder to work down while staying back (on-plane).
Remember the upper body is still going back while the hips are starting to move forward. This is the period of slack removal. Once the slack is removed the hip action will pull down the right shoulder. This will in turn start the longitudinal acceleration of the shaft for a swinger or provide the right shoulder lauching pad the hitter will straighten his right arm against.
If you coil to the top then let your arms fall you've bypassed every thing I said above and removed any mechanical advantage to your swing.
David Laville, G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
"Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net> wrote in message news:8LRVd.3858$GA5.2787@fe09.lga...>
"Perfect Impact" <georgehibbard@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:%qDVd.47407$u87.17600@bignews6.bellsouth.net...>>
The transition move requires 1) that your left hip move sideways left >> while the upswing is finishing BY ALLOWING YOUR WEIGHT TO FALL FROM THE >> INSIDE OF your right leg - if you got ON the right leg at backswing, you >> get stuck there: lean on it only - don't STAND on it): 2) moving the >> hands down only without any shoulder turn at the outset of any forward >> motion in the upper body. ANY aroundness destroys the ability to swing >> the hands, arms, or club on plane. It is an automatic over-the-top to >> turn your shoulders - the right shoulder should also 'swing down at the >> target line'...>>
People say "I swung too fast!" The truth is that they "swung too Early!" >> i.e., before their weight had a chance to GET to the left side FIRST.>>
We admire Couples and Els most of all, and without knowing why, what we >> recognize on an intuitive level is that they cooperate with, not fight, >> natural gravitational action in their BODIES - falling takes time same as >> it does when a tree topples after being chopped. It is not an immediate >> and full speed drop. Or the same as the turnaround of a playground >> swing - it hovers as gravity changes its upward momentum to downward - >> gradually applying acceleration, not yanking the sucker down.>>
It looks to me like Furyk is better at getting his hips moving faster... > but Els' swing looks much better.>
Why does Els' swing look so much better?>
--Tom
Furyk's timing and rhythm are pretty good, but his off-plane backswing and extreme in-side downswing are what distort his swing from Ernie's on-plane perfection. Ernie's "rolling wheel" motion remains in place: Jim's swing is a warped wheel.>
"David Laville" <dlaville@nospam.att.net> wrote in message news:retf21hgu13nvvlp9r8aobm74inttbglq8@4ax.com...> On 3 Mar 2005 09:25:24 -0800, "ClubCaster"> <steveandrobinb@comcast.net> wrote:>
Finally someone who thinks past the nose on his face! I've been> reading this thread and no one has come close to explaining the main> purpose of the transition.>
David Laville, G.S.E.M.> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
Wow. The saviour has arrived: (I wasn't aware that the PURPOSE of the transition was the question, incidentally.) Nothing like stating the obvious, however.
In layman terms, the transition is the actions that change or go from backswing and positioning of the club into loading and downswing.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:39:30 -0500, "Perfect Impact" <georgehibbard@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net> wrote in message >news:8LRVd.3858$GA5.2787@fe09.lga...>>
"Perfect Impact" <georgehibbard@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:%qDVd.47407$u87.17600@bignews6.bellsouth.net...>>>
The transition move requires 1) that your left hip move sideways left >>> while the upswing is finishing BY ALLOWING YOUR WEIGHT TO FALL FROM THE >>> INSIDE OF your right leg - if you got ON the right leg at backswing, you >>> get stuck there: lean on it only - don't STAND on it): 2) moving the >>> hands down only without any shoulder turn at the outset of any forward >>> motion in the upper body. ANY aroundness destroys the ability to swing >>> the hands, arms, or club on plane. It is an automatic over-the-top to >>> turn your shoulders - the right shoulder should also 'swing down at the >>> target line'...>>>
People say "I swung too fast!" The truth is that they "swung too Early!" >>> i.e., before their weight had a chance to GET to the left side FIRST.>>>
We admire Couples and Els most of all, and without knowing why, what we >>> recognize on an intuitive level is that they cooperate with, not fight, >>> natural gravitational action in their BODIES - falling takes time same as >>> it does when a tree topples after being chopped. It is not an immediate >>> and full speed drop. Or the same as the turnaround of a playground >>> swing - it hovers as gravity changes its upward momentum to downward - >>> gradually applying acceleration, not yanking the sucker down.>>>
It looks to me like Furyk is better at getting his hips moving faster... >> but Els' swing looks much better.>>
Why does Els' swing look so much better?>>
--Tom>
Furyk's timing and rhythm are pretty good, but his off-plane backswing and >extreme in-side downswing are what distort his swing from Ernie's on-plane >perfection. Ernie's "rolling wheel" motion remains in place: Jim's swing is >a warped wheel.
The thing I've noticed about Furyk's swing that runs counter to what virtually everyone else does is that he puts his right elbow behind and almost against his right hip in the downswing and keeps it there through impact. No one would teach that. Everyone else wants the right elbow in front of the right hip and the arms in front of the body to avoid the dreaded "stuck" position. But Furyk's move is the key to his consistency. He doesn't get stuck because, as noted above, he rotates his hips very fast with the right elbow sort of going along for the ride. When his right hip turns into the ball, voila, there's his right elbow also turning into the ball on the correct path. The tight relationship between elbow and hip makes his swing very repeatable.
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OK, great description of the problem, I have been working on this for quite a long time, and admittedly, its not trivial. But on the other hand, it is critical to making a powerful swing, and enjoying golf more. Its a matter of timing, and feeling, and giving yourself enough time. and maybe gravity. I am not saying I have the answer, but I think
it is well worth pursuing in this forum. I have noticed that we have quite a few very good golf students, for lack of a better term, in this
forum. and I am looking forward to a conversation on this issue, understanding that it may have been persued exhaustively in past, but not with my input (sic). So I will start with the problem, as I see it.
We take the backswing, and, there is a slight, at least weight shift, and we are on our right foot. Our hands are over our right shoulder. Now............. what next? """
The first move of the hands and club should be away from the target and down... not toward the ball.
Some years ago I purchased a Tempo 911 (a swing speed/time measurement device). In it's literature I think it says the average elapsed time of a tour swing is about 1.5 seconds (IIRC). My swing was around 2.5 seconds start to finish. Trust me... you don't have time to wait in the transition if you are going to swing in less than 2.0 seconds. Did I mention that is really quick?
""" I think there is an irony that more swings are ruined by too much effort to transition to the downswing. Maybe that is the hidden issue -- the
folks who don't think in terms of transition usually have a good one; those that try to create a transition move, often create the wrong one (e.g. casting, swaying, etc.). """
I think you are exactly right. I think that "extra" effort results in a sway and a host of associated problems for many people...
I had a sway for many years and didn't even know it. I thought it was just an aggressive transition. When my pro finally got me steadied down it was amazing just how little movement there really is. It's very small and subtle. I was shocked. It felt like I wasn't moving at all. I wrote about this in RSG at the time. I still fight other problems from time to time, but the sway has largely disappeared for good.
"" you did not decelerate--which is the purpose of the transition move. "" Larry... plain and simple. The transition is a change in direction. A good transition cannot guarantee that something bad won't follow and a bad one can't guarantee that something good won't follow.
You can still decelerate even after making a good transition and you can still accelerate after a bad one.
I was also a pretty good baseball player. Not great, but pretty good. I'm certainly no where near college golf team material. So there has to be more to it than that.
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:25:10 GMT, JoePete <joepete@notmydomain.com> wrote:
I think there is an irony that more swings are ruined by too much effort > to transition to the downswing. Maybe that is the hidden issue -- the >folks who don't think in terms of transition usually have a good one; >those that try to create a transition move, often create the wrong one >(e.g. casting, swaying, etc.).
I think that's exactly right, JoePete. My college golf coach used to tell me to "wait for it" at the top. That simple thought implants the idea of letting the club lag up there a little when you start the move back to the ball with your lower body. In other words, don't consciously try to start the club down. Let it happen as a pure reaction to the turn/shift to the front leg.
Thrasher wrote:> I'd also like to see a discussion about why a plastic headed driver
worth $500... wasn't the excuse for the high priced Big Berthas and> what not the high cost of making the heads out of Titanium? And yet,> the new plastic ones cost even more than the Titanium ones did.
Are you referring to the drivers made with carbon fiber composite materials? The finish sure makes it look plastic, but that is not what they are made of.
I am not going to go into the science of the material, but it is expensive. It's properties make it a great material for fighter jets and fuel cells, but why you would want to use it in a freaking driver is beyond me. They should start advertising the club's low radar cross section.
I still just use plain old steel. Haven't swung any of those new bowling-balls-on-a-stick that feel better than my TM 200 Steel driver.
Of course when they started adding metal to the face of wood drivers, some yahoo probably harumphed - "Why do I need something as strong and expensive as STEEL to hit a little ol' golf ball when WOOD works just fine?!?"
Everybody says that the> average golfer can't hit a 3 Iron. Oh, but they can hit a 1 Wood?> On which planet?
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:49:29 -0500, MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:50:36 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>
Last time I saw your swing you failed to make a transition-- can you>>make one now?>
Now THAT'S a troll.
Troll? Define that word, please and tell me how I do it..
I just can't imagine the gall of someone who professes to teach the golf swing, spouts all sorts of extremely esoteric technical stuff about it, a "certified instructor" in TGM, yet cannot himself make a real swing? I think it is sorta ludicrous, don't you?
"However, I agree with Dr. Ralph Mann, SLAP and Model Golf, who flatly states that NO really good golfer fails to make a good transition. It is impossible to play consistent golf without doing that. He says it is impossible to avoid the erratic mishits that accrue from hitting off our back foot (which is where we are if don't transition forward before the arms come down). Until we can make a smooth transition and stabilize, we are doomed to hitting it fat, thin, OTT, and of course sacrificing 30% or more of our distance because the fastest velocity in our swing arc occurs several feet before the ball position. "
Larry, is this a quote or paraphrase? Do you see the word decelerate or deceleration in that paragraph anywhere? I don't, yet you insist that if you don't transition right that you have no choice but do decelerate. Where do you get that from? You are an interesting study. Almost every one of your post has something correct... and almost every one of them has something that is off the wall and very questionable. I just don't get it?
On 4 Mar 2005 13:02:30 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
Well, I am a single digit handicapf... so maybe I "can" make a>reasonalbe transition move...
My brother cannot do a transition. He hits hard with his dominant right hand, gets blisters there. He's been playing 35+ years, sometimes nearly every day for weeks. He gets his handicap down to 6 now and then but he does that primarily because he has a short game that any touring pro would envy. He can get up and down almost literally "from inside the ball washer." When he hits it sideways he can usually recover and make par. Even so, he very often has horrible rounds-- high 90s, losing half dozen balls, etc. When his timing goes haywire, he can't hit a fairway. It is very sad to watch--as he tries harder and harder and they sail across two fairways.
He knows what he should do-- but unlikely to pay the price to lose a little bit on the next round while rebuilding his swing. He knows that any time we tinker with our swing we first get worse. He can't tolerate that. I suspect there are many like him.
On 4-Mar-2005, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
I just can't imagine the gall of someone who professes to teach the> golf swing, spouts all sorts of extremely esoteric technical stuff> about it, a "certified instructor" in TGM, yet cannot himself make a> real swing? I think it is sorta ludicrous, don't you?
I don't care if my coach is working from a wheelchair. He's coaching my swing, not his.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:42:37 -0500, MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:01:19 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:49:29 -0500, MacHamish>><rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:>>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:50:36 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>>>
Last time I saw your swing you failed to make a transition-- can you>>>>make one now?>>>
Now THAT'S a troll. >>
Troll? Define that word, please and tell me how I do it..>
Think of fishing, Larry. Trolling is a technique to get a fish to take the>bait.>
I just can't imagine the gall of someone who professes to teach the>>golf swing, spouts all sorts of extremely esoteric technical stuff>>about it, a "certified instructor" in TGM, yet cannot himself make a>>real swing? I think it is sorta ludicrous, don't you? >
I've never seen his swing, Larry, so I won't comment.
A few years ago he posted it. That may be on a web site somewhere. David looks like a typical 15 handicapper. Decent move, no bad OTT or anything, but the swing I saw was far from a good golfer's smooth transition and effortless release. He is obviously a late beginner like most of us.
As Seinfeld says, "not that there is anything wrong with that," however it is sorta ludicrous that a high handicapper signs his posts with "Authorized Instructor of TGM," ha.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:04:40 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:42:37 -0500, MacHamish><rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:01:19 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:49:29 -0500, MacHamish>>><rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:>>>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:50:36 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>>>>
Last time I saw your swing you failed to make a transition-- can you>>>>>make one now?>>>>
Now THAT'S a troll. >>>
Troll? Define that word, please and tell me how I do it..>>
Think of fishing, Larry. Trolling is a technique to get a fish to take the>>bait.>>
I just can't imagine the gall of someone who professes to teach the>>>golf swing, spouts all sorts of extremely esoteric technical stuff>>>about it, a "certified instructor" in TGM, yet cannot himself make a>>>real swing? I think it is sorta ludicrous, don't you? >>
I've never seen his swing, Larry, so I won't comment.>
A few years ago he posted it. That may be on a web site somewhere.>David looks like a typical 15 handicapper. Decent move, no bad OTT or>anything, but the swing I saw was far from a good golfer's smooth>transition and effortless release. He is obviously a late beginner>like most of us. >
As Seinfeld says, "not that there is anything wrong with that,">however it is sorta ludicrous that a high handicapper signs his posts>with "Authorized Instructor of TGM," ha.
What we have here is two wrongs trying to make a right.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:49:58 -0500, MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:04:40 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:42:37 -0500, MacHamish>><rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:>>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:01:19 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>>>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:49:29 -0500, MacHamish>>>><rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:>>>>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:50:36 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>>>>>
Last time I saw your swing you failed to make a transition-- can you>>>>>>make one now?>>>>>
Now THAT'S a troll. >>>>
Troll? Define that word, please and tell me how I do it..>>>
Think of fishing, Larry. Trolling is a technique to get a fish to take the>>>bait.>>>
I just can't imagine the gall of someone who professes to teach the>>>>golf swing, spouts all sorts of extremely esoteric technical stuff>>>>about it, a "certified instructor" in TGM, yet cannot himself make a>>>>real swing? I think it is sorta ludicrous, don't you? >>>
I've never seen his swing, Larry, so I won't comment.>>
A few years ago he posted it. That may be on a web site somewhere.>>David looks like a typical 15 handicapper. Decent move, no bad OTT or>>anything, but the swing I saw was far from a good golfer's smooth>>transition and effortless release. He is obviously a late beginner>>like most of us. >>
As Seinfeld says, "not that there is anything wrong with that,">>however it is sorta ludicrous that a high handicapper signs his posts>>with "Authorized Instructor of TGM," ha. >
What we have here is two wrongs trying to make a right.>
"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message news:ojmh219ucltclodsedf6vq44ojgdius2go@4ax.com...
A few years ago he posted it. That may be on a web site somewhere.> David looks like a typical 15 handicapper. Decent move, no bad OTT or> anything, but the swing I saw was far from a good golfer's smooth> transition and effortless release. He is obviously a late beginner> like most of us.>
As Seinfeld says, "not that there is anything wrong with that,"> however it is sorta ludicrous that a high handicapper signs his posts> with "Authorized Instructor of TGM," ha.>
Larry
David has offered to play golf with you but you avoid him. David is an excellent player. There was nothing in David's swing when he posted it that you commented on. Now, a year later you criticize it? I'll say this about David's golf stroke---He compresses the ball--long and straight.
Last time I saw your swing you failed to make a transition-- can you>>>>make one now?>
MacHamish wrote:>
Now THAT'S a troll.>
"larry" wrote:>
Troll? Define that word, please and tell me how I do it..>>
I just can't imagine the gall of someone who professes to teach the>>golf swing, spouts all sorts of extremely esoteric technical stuff>>about it, a "certified instructor" in TGM, yet cannot himself make a>>real swing? I think it is sorta ludicrous, don't you?>
Larry, are you the fellow whose practice swing (near a backstop net) was put> to music and posted here?
If my memory serves me well, the clip was titled "Poetry in Motion".
Troll? Define that word, please and tell me how I do it..> >>
I just can't imagine the gall of someone who professes to teach the> >>golf swing, spouts all sorts of extremely esoteric technical stuff> >>about it, a "certified instructor" in TGM, yet cannot himself make a> >>real swing? I think it is sorta ludicrous, don't you?> >
Larry, are you the fellow whose practice swing (near a backstop net) was
to music and posted here?>
tt wrote:> If my memory serves me well, the clip was titled "Poetry in Motion".
That's the one. I wasn't sure what he doing in that video clip. However, the music was fun.
You would be a fool to post it here. The sickos will set it to music> and ridicule you with it. >
larry
Na, Todd can play and has proven it to us (unlike some).....well except for RSG-NW last year, but something tells me my man was more under the weather than he let on.
On 4-Mar-2005, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
I don't get why you don't get it. It is completely logical and easy> to understand that when we move back even slightly then swing, the> fulcrum of our swing remains behind our setup position. Unless we can> do some sort of contortion I can't imagine, the fastest portion of our> swing arc will similarly move backward--BEHIND the ball position, and> accordingly that is where we hear the "swish" happen of every high> handicapper who does not make a transition.
Unless you move slightly forward during the transition or downswing.....
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:04:23 GMT, "Sparky" <biff@funco.com> wrote:
On 4-Mar-2005, MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:>
Troll? Define that word, please and tell me how I do it..>>
Think of fishing, Larry. Trolling is a technique to get a fish to take>> the>> bait.>>
I just can't imagine the gall of someone who professes to teach the>> >golf swing, spouts all sorts of extremely esoteric technical stuff>> >about it, a "certified instructor" in TGM, yet cannot himself make a>> >real swing? I think it is sorta ludicrous, don't you?>>
I've never seen his swing, Larry, so I won't comment.>
I have, it's sixty times better than Larry's........
I assumed so. Laville has been playing a lot longer. What's really going on here obviously is that Larry is lashing out in retaliation to Laville's snide remarks about his swing. It's understandable in a way. One wonders who is trolling whom in this scenario.
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:53:37 GMT, "Sparky" <biff@funco.com> wrote:
On 4-Mar-2005, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>
I don't get why you don't get it. It is completely logical and easy>> to understand that when we move back even slightly then swing, the>> fulcrum of our swing remains behind our setup position. Unless we can>> do some sort of contortion I can't imagine, the fastest portion of our>> swing arc will similarly move backward--BEHIND the ball position, and>> accordingly that is where we hear the "swish" happen of every high>> handicapper who does not make a transition.>
Unless you move slightly forward during the transition or downswing.....
Duhhh, which is the essence of "the transition." When we move our weight forward while completing our backswing, it stretches our torso muscles-- "winds the spring" and provides the "pop" clubhead speed that accounts for little 160 pound Sergio able to hit his 7i 220 yards--with what looks like a effortless swing.
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:36:33 -0600, "The Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
"Sparky" <biff@funco.com> wrote in message>news:ZemdnSnQqZ_slrbfRVn-gg@comcast.com...>>
On 4-Mar-2005, larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:>>
I don't get why you don't get it. It is completely logical and easy>> > to understand that when we move back even slightly then swing, the>> > fulcrum of our swing remains behind our setup position. Unless we can>> > do some sort of contortion I can't imagine, the fastest portion of our>> > swing arc will similarly move backward--BEHIND the ball position, and>> > accordingly that is where we hear the "swish" happen of every high>> > handicapper who does not make a transition.>>
Unless you move slightly forward during the transition or downswing.....>>
All you really have to do is resist the move back a little in the backswing>(X factor sort of thing), and you will immediately move forward a tad when>you get to the top...just give it a nanosecond of time to happen.
Ahhh, if that were just true. Every 100 shooter in every club would be scoring down near 80--hitting it 250+ off the tee and hitting GIR with little effort. But instead, no matter how long they hesitate at the top, they still chop down on the ball without moving forward-- and of course decelerate, OTT, out-to-in clubhead path, mishit fat or thin, etc.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:46:05 -0500, "Perfect Impact" <georgehibbard@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Finally someone who thinks past the nose on his face! I've been>> reading this thread and no one has come close to explaining the main>> purpose of the transition.
Wow. The saviour has arrived:
Not the savior just someone who can point out things you can't.
(I wasn't aware that the PURPOSE of the >transition was the question, incidentally.)
Gee, do you think it might have been since the title of this thread is "transition move"?
Nothing like stating the obvious, however.
If it was so obvious why didn't we read it from you?
In layman terms, the transition is the actions that change or go from >backswing and positioning of the club into loading and downswing.
The transition flattens the shaft and removes slack between the upper and lower body. We don't want slack in the swing we want structure. It's one of the reasons why extensor action is so important, it removes slack in the arms giving as a solid structure.
You're the one who gives us the example about the boat pulling the skier and how the rope should always be taught, never slack. Yet you can't even apply this principle to the swing. Sad, very sad..........
.
David Laville, G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:11:40 -0700, "Glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.net> wrote:
A few years ago he posted it. That may be on a web site somewhere.>> David looks like a typical 15 handicapper. Decent move, no bad OTT or>> anything, but the swing I saw was far from a good golfer's smooth>> transition and effortless release. He is obviously a late beginner>> like most of us.>>
As Seinfeld says, "not that there is anything wrong with that,">> however it is sorta ludicrous that a high handicapper signs his posts>> with "Authorized Instructor of TGM," ha.>>
Larry>
David has offered to play golf with you but you avoid him.>David is an excellent player.>There was nothing in David's swing when he posted it that you commented on.>Now, a year later you criticize it?>I'll say this about David's golf stroke---He compresses the ball--long and >straight.
It's troll bait, Brad. Notice I didn't bite? Larry has never seen my swing.
David Laville, G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:26:11 -0500, MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:
I assumed so. Laville has been playing a lot longer. What's really going>on here obviously is that Larry is lashing out in retaliation to Laville's>snide remarks about his swing. It's understandable in a way. One wonders>who is trolling whom in this scenario.
Some of you people just don't get it. Notice I've been ignoring LLLarry the troll? So what does he do? He brings up my swing (which he has never seen) out the clear blue sky and criticizes it hoping I take the bait and jump back in the fray with him.
At least Laville has the smarts some of you don't have.
David Laville, G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:21:20 GMT, David Laville <dlaville@nospam.att.net> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:11:40 -0700, "Glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.net>>wrote:>
A few years ago he posted it. That may be on a web site somewhere.>>> David looks like a typical 15 handicapper. Decent move, no bad OTT or>>> anything, but the swing I saw was far from a good golfer's smooth>>> transition and effortless release. He is obviously a late beginner>>> like most of us.>>>
As Seinfeld says, "not that there is anything wrong with that,">>> however it is sorta ludicrous that a high handicapper signs his posts>>> with "Authorized Instructor of TGM," ha.>>>
Larry>>
David has offered to play golf with you but you avoid him.>>David is an excellent player.>>There was nothing in David's swing when he posted it that you commented on.>>Now, a year later you criticize it?>>I'll say this about David's golf stroke---He compresses the ball--long and >>straight. >
It's troll bait, Brad. Notice I didn't bite? Larry has never seen my>swing.
Are you saying a video of your swing has never been on the web?
larry >
David Laville, G.S.E.M.>The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
"larry" wrote:> Duhhh, which is the essence of "the transition." When we move our> weight forward while completing our backswing, it stretches our torso> muscles-- "winds the spring" and provides the "pop" clubhead speed> that accounts for little 160 pound Sergio able to hit his 7i 220> yards--with what looks like a effortless swing.
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:22:43 GMT, David Laville <dlaville@nospam.att.net> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:26:11 -0500, MacHamish><rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:>
I assumed so. Laville has been playing a lot longer. What's really going>>on here obviously is that Larry is lashing out in retaliation to Laville's>>snide remarks about his swing. It's understandable in a way. One wonders>>who is trolling whom in this scenario.>
Some of you people just don't get it. Notice I've been ignoring>LLLarry the troll? So what does he do? He brings up my swing (which>he has never seen) out the clear blue sky and criticizes it hoping I>take the bait and jump back in the fray with him.>
At least Laville has the smarts some of you don't have.
So, this is Laville saying he has never trolled "LLLarry". Right.
My swing may not be great, but it's not that bad either. But if I had a clip, I'd post it. It is what it is. I would not care one bit if they put it to music and had a little fun with it.
On 7 Mar 2005 10:06:03 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
Larry,>
My swing may not be great, but it's not that bad either. But if I had>a clip, I'd post it. It is what it is. I would not care one bit if they>put it to music and had a little fun with it.
Some here would make fun of your swing if you pasted your head on Sam Snead's body.. Several are just here for the enjoyment of being mean and nasty.
Sure makes you want to go to an RSG tournament, doesn't it?
On 7 Mar 2005 10:10:23 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
What enables Sergio to hit a 220y 7I is the exteme lag he hits with.>You can do that (extreem lag) with/without a perfect transition.
That "extreme lag" IS the essence of the transition. Before he completes his backswing, his lower body moves way ahead, stretching his torso muscles until he MUST start the downswing, then his stretched torso muscles fling his arms, which in turn fling the club shaft, which in turn fling the clubhead. Popping the whip as Percy Boomer described about 70 years ago. Sergio, Tiger, et. al. do that perfectly and thus achieve effortless clubhead speed. They do not achieve their distance with muscle or extraordinary effort. What they do should be our goal.
My swing may not be great, but it's not that bad either. But if I had> >a clip, I'd post it. It is what it is. I would not care one bit if they> >put it to music and had a little fun with it.
Larry wrote> Some here would make fun of your swing if you pasted your head on Sam> Snead's body.. Several are just here for the enjoyment of being mean> and nasty. <snip>
Larry, I played with Sam Snead. I knew Sam Snead. Sam Snead was a friend of mine. Larry, you're no Sam Snead.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:01:56 -0500, "JJK" <surpher@erols.com> wrote:
"dsc" wrote:>> >Larry,>> >
My swing may not be great, but it's not that bad either. But if I had>> >a clip, I'd post it. It is what it is. I would not care one bit if they>> >put it to music and had a little fun with it. >
Larry wrote>> Some here would make fun of your swing if you pasted your head on Sam>> Snead's body.. Several are just here for the enjoyment of being mean>> and nasty.><snip>>
Larry, I played with Sam Snead. I knew Sam Snead. Sam Snead was a friend of>mine. Larry, you're no Sam Snead.>
Now THAT'S funny. ___ \o ' | / \ Someone likes every shot* bk
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:01:56 -0500, "JJK" <surpher@erols.com> wrote:
"dsc" wrote:>> >Larry,>> >
My swing may not be great, but it's not that bad either. But if I had>> >a clip, I'd post it. It is what it is. I would not care one bit if they>> >put it to music and had a little fun with it. >
Larry wrote>> Some here would make fun of your swing if you pasted your head on Sam>> Snead's body.. Several are just here for the enjoyment of being mean>> and nasty.><snip>>
Larry, I played with Sam Snead. I knew Sam Snead. Sam Snead was a friend of>mine. Larry, you're no Sam Snead.
Well, you're a crabby old fart, at least 95 years old today, ha.
My swing may not be great, but it's not that bad either. But if I had> >> >a clip, I'd post it. It is what it is. I would not care one bit if
they> >> >put it to music and had a little fun with it.
Larry wrote> >> Some here would make fun of your swing if you pasted your head on Sam> >> Snead's body.. Several are just here for the enjoyment of being mean> >> and nasty.> ><snip>
JJK wrote:> >Larry, I played with Sam Snead. I knew Sam Snead. Sam Snead was a friend
mine. Larry, you're no Sam Snead.
"larry" wrote> Well, you're a crabby old fart, at least 95 years old today, ha.
Mind your manners, you old whippy snapper.
Soon, I'll consistently be six under everyday, just like Sam.
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 08:02:22 -0500, MacHamish <rjimeson1@comcast.remove.net> wrote:
If you're accusing me of trolling LLLarry the Troll show me your>>proof. >>
LOL. Easy peasy. You troll him every time you refer to him in a post,>which you often do, especially when you spell his name "LLLarry".
That's your proof? "LLLarry" was started by a group of other posters and I adopted it. It helps differentiate him from another poster who also post as Larry.
Here's just one example from another current thread. This one is actually a>double troll, aimed at Striker and LLLarry at the same time.>
Lets see now;>>
1) you want to talk about the transition - so did LLLarry the troll.>>
2) you say it's the key to single digits - so did LLLarry the troll>>
3) You reference Jim Flick - so does LLLarry the troll.>>
In other words you're trying to be a troll on the coat tail of>>LLLarry. Next you'll probably want to discuss Mike Austin.>
Your game is transparent, Laville. You troll Larry indirectly, as above.>He responds. You then tell all of RSG what a big man you are for not taking>the bait.
Oh, I get it. I didn't buy your arm chair swing theories and I dare asked you to show us your +1 game. So you have to paint me as the mean evil villain of RSG who's driving poor little innocent LLLarry to be a troll.
I'm sure you'll do better next time.
David Laville, G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 05:23:16 GMT, David Laville <dlaville@nospam.att.net> wrote:
Your game is transparent, Laville. You troll Larry indirectly, as above.>>He responds. You then tell all of RSG what a big man you are for not taking>>the bait.>
Oh, I get it.
Of course you do. That's why you're trying your level best to save face.
I didn't buy your arm chair swing theories and I dare>asked you to show us your +1 game.
No, you accused me of lying. I dared you to wager a dollar on it. You've been tap dancing ever since because you know I can prove it with a URL from the governing body of golf in Michigan.
So you have to paint me as the>mean evil villain of RSG who's driving poor little innocent LLLarry to>be a troll.
No, I'm simply saying that you're the troll where "LLLarry" is concerned.
larry wrote:> On 7 Mar 2005 10:06:03 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:>
Larry,> >
My swing may not be great, but it's not that bad either. But if I
a clip, I'd post it. It is what it is. I would not care one bit if
they> >put it to music and had a little fun with it. >
Some here would make fun of your swing if you pasted your head on Sam> Snead's body.. Several are just here for the enjoyment of being
mean> and nasty.>
Sure makes you want to go to an RSG tournament, doesn't it?
I'd absolutely love to go. One of these days I might just be able to make an RSG in the Ohio area. It's just always come up against other things I want to do. The A$$holes in here (said most affectionately) are not any different than me or the A$$holes I play with regularily...
***************************************************** That "extreme lag" IS the essence of the transition. Before he completes his backswing, his lower body moves way ahead, stretching his torso muscles until he MUST start the downswing, then his stretched torso muscles fling his arms, which in turn fling the club shaft, which in turn fling the clubhead. *****************************************************
I beleive Sergio has toned down his lag over the last couple of years... If this is true, then using your absolute rule of cause and effect, he must of also changed his transition...
Furthermore..
If Sergio's excessive lag is a sign of a good/perfect transition, then all the other pro's lac or extreme lag must indicate that they have a less than perfect transition...
I've got one of me from 16 at Bandon Dunes a few years ago. Anyone willing> to host it on a website? Send me your email address to the adelphia account> below.>
Not one of my better swings with a 2 iron, but into about 4 clubs of wind it> worked to set me up with a 5 iron from 140 and a 20 footer for par. >
BTW, Larry....I'm not the one who touts myself around here as being the> swing saviour on my way to a scratch handicap like you do. That was Alan's> point....not who's swing/game is better than the others.
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:18:36 -0800, Matt Aamold <ma_amol_d@comcast.net> wrote:
Scott Newell wrote:>
I've got one of me from 16 at Bandon Dunes a few years ago. Anyone willing>> to host it on a website? Send me your email address to the adelphia account>> below.>>
Not one of my better swings with a 2 iron, but into about 4 clubs of wind it>> worked to set me up with a 5 iron from 140 and a 20 footer for par. >>
BTW, Larry....I'm not the one who touts myself around here as being the>> swing saviour on my way to a scratch handicap like you do. That was Alan's>> point....not who's swing/game is better than the others.
Ok, no problem.
Hey! Yesterday on the range I finally "grooved" my transition move. I still have to do some slow motion "baseball" swings to ensure I have the right sequence before striking ball, but this is really it. I can do it every time. When I lose it, I can get it back.
ftp://centriswing.com:ugcig6sc@ftp-dom.earthlink.net/golffiles/ Open Larry_transition_move.mov with quicktime or any viewer.
Obviously I was not hitting a ball here on my pool deck-- and I see that I failed to keep my hands leading after impact, but the thing to look for is my very deliberate slow weight shift foward AS I complete my backswing. That "pops the whip" stretching my torso muscles-- providing that extra 30% or more clubhead speed that the pros get. It also positions me right over the ball-- which must be positioned forward once you start making this move. Since the bottom of my swing arc coincides with the ball location, my clubhead does not decelerate before contacting the ball.
For us high handicappers the ability to make a transition is a HUGE deal. I think there are only a tiny tiny few in my club, 500 members, who can make this move. The rest do what I always did, simply swing off their back foot.
Santa Cruz Bill 10 March 2005 00:19:15 [ permanent link ]
larry wrote:> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:18:36 -0800, Matt Aamold> <ma_amol_d@comcast.net> wrote:>
Scott Newell wrote:> >
I've got one of me from 16 at Bandon Dunes a few years ago. Anyone
willing> >> to host it on a website? Send me your email address to the adelphia account> >> below.> >>
Not one of my better swings with a 2 iron, but into about 4 clubs
of wind it> >> worked to set me up with a 5 iron from 140 and a 20 footer for par. > >>
BTW, Larry....I'm not the one who touts myself around here as
being the> >> swing saviour on my way to a scratch handicap like you do. That was Alan's> >> point....not who's swing/game is better than the others.>
Ok, no problem.>
Hey! Yesterday on the range I finally "grooved" my transition move.> I still have to do some slow motion "baseball" swings to ensure I
have> the right sequence before striking ball, but this is really it. I
do it every time. When I lose it, I can get it back.>
ftp://centriswing.com:ugcig6sc@ftp-dom.earthlink.net/golffiles/ Open> Larry_transition_move.mov with quicktime or any viewer.>
Obviously I was not hitting a ball here on my pool deck-- and I see> that I failed to keep my hands leading after impact, but the thing to> look for is my very deliberate slow weight shift foward AS I complete> my backswing. That "pops the whip" stretching my torso muscles--> providing that extra 30% or more clubhead speed that the pros get.
also positions me right over the ball-- which must be positioned> forward once you start making this move. Since the bottom of my
swing> arc coincides with the ball location, my clubhead does not decelerate> before contacting the ball.>
For us high handicappers the ability to make a transition is a HUGE> deal. I think there are only a tiny tiny few in my club, 500
members,> who can make this move. The rest do what I always did, simply swing> off their back foot. >
On 9 Mar 2005 12:19:15 -0800, "Santa Cruz Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote:
larry wrote:>> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:18:36 -0800, Matt Aamold>> <ma_amol_d@comcast.net> wrote:>>
Scott Newell wrote:>> >
I've got one of me from 16 at Bandon Dunes a few years ago. Anyone>willing>> >> to host it on a website? Send me your email address to the>adelphia account>> >> below.>> >>
Not one of my better swings with a 2 iron, but into about 4 clubs>of wind it>> >> worked to set me up with a 5 iron from 140 and a 20 footer for>par. >> >>
BTW, Larry....I'm not the one who touts myself around here as>being the>> >> swing saviour on my way to a scratch handicap like you do. That>was Alan's>> >> point....not who's swing/game is better than the others.>>
Ok, no problem.>>
Hey! Yesterday on the range I finally "grooved" my transition move.>> I still have to do some slow motion "baseball" swings to ensure I>have>> the right sequence before striking ball, but this is really it. I>can>> do it every time. When I lose it, I can get it back.>>
ftp://centriswing.com:ugcig6sc@ftp-dom.earthlink.net/golffiles/ Open>> Larry_transition_move.mov with quicktime or any viewer.>>
Obviously I was not hitting a ball here on my pool deck-- and I see>> that I failed to keep my hands leading after impact, but the thing to>> look for is my very deliberate slow weight shift foward AS I complete>> my backswing. That "pops the whip" stretching my torso muscles-->> providing that extra 30% or more clubhead speed that the pros get.>It>> also positions me right over the ball-- which must be positioned>> forward once you start making this move. Since the bottom of my>swing>> arc coincides with the ball location, my clubhead does not decelerate>> before contacting the ball.>>
For us high handicappers the ability to make a transition is a HUGE>> deal. I think there are only a tiny tiny few in my club, 500>members,>> who can make this move. The rest do what I always did, simply swing>> off their back foot. >>
Santa Cruz Bill 10 March 2005 05:33:31 [ permanent link ]
larry wrote:> On 9 Mar 2005 12:19:15 -0800, "Santa Cruz Bill"> <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote:>
larry wrote:> >> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:18:36 -0800, Matt Aamold> >> <ma_amol_d@comcast.net> wrote:> >>
Scott Newell wrote:> >> >
I've got one of me from 16 at Bandon Dunes a few years ago.
Anyone> >willing> >> >> to host it on a website? Send me your email address to the> >adelphia account> >> >> below.> >> >>
Not one of my better swings with a 2 iron, but into about 4
clubs> >of wind it> >> >> worked to set me up with a 5 iron from 140 and a 20 footer for> >par. > >> >>
BTW, Larry....I'm not the one who touts myself around here as> >being the> >> >> swing saviour on my way to a scratch handicap like you do.
That> >was Alan's> >> >> point....not who's swing/game is better than the others.> >>
Ok, no problem.> >>
Hey! Yesterday on the range I finally "grooved" my transition
move.> >> I still have to do some slow motion "baseball" swings to ensure I> >have> >> the right sequence before striking ball, but this is really it. I> >can> >> do it every time. When I lose it, I can get it back.> >>
Open> >> Larry_transition_move.mov with quicktime or any viewer.> >>
Obviously I was not hitting a ball here on my pool deck-- and I
that I failed to keep my hands leading after impact, but the thing
look for is my very deliberate slow weight shift foward AS I
complete> >> my backswing. That "pops the whip" stretching my torso muscles--> >> providing that extra 30% or more clubhead speed that the pros get.> >It> >> also positions me right over the ball-- which must be positioned> >> forward once you start making this move. Since the bottom of my> >swing> >> arc coincides with the ball location, my clubhead does not decelerate> >> before contacting the ball.> >>
For us high handicappers the ability to make a transition is a
HUGE> >> deal. I think there are only a tiny tiny few in my club, 500> >members,> >> who can make this move. The rest do what I always did, simply swing> >> off their back foot.> >>
Larry> >
So, what is the password?>
click on the link, the password is incorporated.>
larry
Didn't work for me. username = centriswing.com automatically comes up, but password = incorporated didn't work.
"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> writes:> I'd absolutely love to go. One of these days I might just be able to> make an RSG in the Ohio area. It's just always come up against other
10th annual RSG-Ohio - September 16-18, 2005.
Be there.
things I want to do. The A$$holes in here (said most affectionately)> are not any different than me or the A$$holes I play with regularily...> >
-- -- -- David "Thor" Collard -- thorpub@rsgohio.com
John van der Pflum 11 March 2005 00:12:01 [ permanent link ]
On 10 Mar 2005 14:47:17 -0500, thorpub@rsgohio.com wrote:
"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> writes:>> I'd absolutely love to go. One of these days I might just be able to>> make an RSG in the Ohio area. It's just always come up against other>
10th annual RSG-Ohio - September 16-18, 2005. >
Be there.>
things I want to do. The A$$holes in here (said most affectionately)>> are not any different than me or the A$$holes I play with regularily...>> >>
RSGOhio is the week after I get back from my annual Myrtle Trip. No way I can get away with that.
As for RSGCincy, I'd love too... really. I've had my eye on it for a couple years now. Last year we went on vacation during the Cincinnatti event... IIRC.
I'll put it on my Outlook Calendar and I'll see what happens later in the summer.
