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Re: Global Warming: Better Safe Than Sorry

Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 12 May 2005 07:46:46
 "Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote in news:1115868985.825­220.37170
@g47g2000cwa.google­groups.com:
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only home> we have.

Nonsense. We can always move under the sea. There'll be no frustrations,
just friendly crustaceans, under the sea.

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Snorky 12 May 2005 07:55:00 permanent link ]
 On 11 May 2005 20:36:25 -0700, "Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote:>I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that GW may be in>part caused by humans. It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we>should look for or use already available alternative energy sources or>curb our current way of life, because possibly the earth is just>heating up because of cyclical and natural changes.>
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only home>we have.>
Dan

Meow.
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Matthew Hennig 12 May 2005 07:55:09 permanent link ]
 "Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote in news:1115868985.825­220.37170
@g47g2000cwa.google­groups.com:
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that GW may be in> part caused by humans. It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we> should look for or use already available alternative energy sources or> curb our current way of life, because possibly the earth is just> heating up because of cyclical and natural changes.>
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only home> we have.

I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that Jesus may have
been real and right. It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we
should live morally and hold reverence toward God because possibly life
just came about randomly on its own.

Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only life
and afterlife we have.

MH

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Aggee Fedayeen Chief
Supreme Ruler of the Obvious

"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got
outcoached."
- OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
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Matthew Hennig 12 May 2005 10:14:03 permanent link ]
 "Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote in news:1115870932.292­619.300960
@g44g2000cwa.google­groups.com:
Matthew Hennig wrote:>> "Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote in> news:1115868985.825­220.37170>> @g47g2000cwa.google­groups.com:>>
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that GW may be in>> > part caused by humans. It seems silly to me to resist the idea> that we>> > should look for or use already available alternative energy sources> or>> > curb our current way of life, because possibly the earth is just>> > heating up because of cyclical and natural changes.>> >
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only> home>> > we have.>>
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that Jesus may have>
been real and right. It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we>
should live morally and hold reverence toward God because possibly> life>> just came about randomly on its own.>>
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only> life>> and afterlife we have.>>
I guess it's easier for me to believe that the earth is getting warmer> when I can see brown clouds sitting on top of Denver and other large> cities than it is for me to believe that some dude walked on water.

But to consider that its all human's fault when scientists studying this
issue are divided on the issue, well it tells me we don't really know.
Global warming as a human cause is not something I'm willing to base on
faith.
But I still may opt for the deathbed conversion.

There is that.

MH

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Ten of Spades
Aggee Fedayeen Chief
Supreme Ruler of the Obvious

"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got
outcoached."
- OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
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Bryan S . Slick 12 May 2005 13:53:49 permanent link ]
 [Matthew Hennig (matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com)]
[Thu, 12 May 2005 01:14:03 -0500]

:> But I still may opt for the deathbed conversion.
:
:There is that.

Bumper sticker I saw once read: Many people who plan to turn to God at
the 11th hour die at 10:30.

Witty.

--
Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com

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in fact, you tell me just when and where, and I'll buy the first round"

[Terri Clark, "I Think The World Needs a Drink"]
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Jeffrey Davis 12 May 2005 15:50:29 permanent link ]
 Matthew Hennig wrote:> "Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote in news:1115868985.825­220.37170> @g47g2000cwa.google­groups.com:>
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that GW may be in>>part caused by humans. It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we>>should look for or use already available alternative energy sources or>>curb our current way of life, because possibly the earth is just>>heating up because of cyclical and natural changes.>>
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only home>>we have.>
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that Jesus may have > been real and right. It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we > should live morally and hold reverence toward God because possibly life > just came about randomly on its own.>
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only life > and afterlife we have.>
1) physical != metaphysical
2) Pascal's Wager discounts infinite other metaphysical possibilities
3) wager != conversion

Other than that, though....

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Jeffrey Davis 12 May 2005 15:53:32 permanent link ]
 Bryan S. Slick wrote:> [Matthew Hennig (matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com)]> [Thu, 12 May 2005 01:14:03 -0500]>
:> But I still may opt for the deathbed conversion.> :> :There is that.>
Bumper sticker I saw once read: Many people who plan to turn to God at > the 11th hour die at 10:30.>
Witty.>

Ok. Important data point.
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Tony Lima 12 May 2005 16:57:24 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 12 May 2005 03:46:46 -0000, "Joel K. 'Jay' Furr"
<jfurr-nospam@nospa­m-furrs.org> wrote:
"Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote in news:1115868985.825­220.37170>@g47g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com:­>
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only home>> we have.>
Nonsense. We can always move under the sea. There'll be no frustrations, >just friendly crustaceans, under the sea.

I'd like to live
under the sea
in an octopus's garden...

($1 to Ringo)

Tony
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Jeffrey Davis 12 May 2005 17:47:42 permanent link ]
 
http://www.ucar.edu­/news/releases/2005/­ammann.shtml
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Paranoid Dehumanized Narcissist 12 May 2005 19:08:19 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 12 May 2005 01:14:03 -0500, Matthew Hennig wrote:
"Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote in news:1115870932.292­619.300960> @g44g2000cwa.google­groups.com:>
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>> "Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote in>> news:1115868985.825­220.37170>>> @g47g2000cwa.google­groups.com:>>>
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that GW may be in>>> > part caused by humans. It seems silly to me to resist the idea>> that we>>> > should look for or use already available alternative energy sources>> or>>> > curb our current way of life, because possibly the earth is just>>> > heating up because of cyclical and natural changes.>>> >
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only>> home>>> > we have.>>>
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that Jesus may have>>
been real and right. It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we>>
should live morally and hold reverence toward God because possibly>> life>>> just came about randomly on its own.>>>
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only>> life>>> and afterlife we have.>>>
I guess it's easier for me to believe that the earth is getting warmer>> when I can see brown clouds sitting on top of Denver and other large>> cities than it is for me to believe that some dude walked on water.>
But to consider that its all human's fault when scientists studying this > issue are divided on the issue,

It's not "all human's fault" [sic], and scientists aren't divided on the
issue.

HTH,
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Paranoid Dehumanized Narcissist
Remove the woopitywoo, you moron.

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Tony Lima 12 May 2005 20:45:21 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:47:42 -0400, Jeffrey Davis
<res099c9@alltel.ne­t> wrote:

So friggin' what? Few people argue that the earth is not
getting warmer. The issue is the role of human activity in
that warming.

Sheesh. - Tony

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Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 12 May 2005 22:56:05 permanent link ]
 kennedy@asuvax.eas.a­su.edu (Ralph Kennedy) wrote in news:IGE3wH.H69
@asuvax.eas.asu.edu­:
Nonsense. We can always move under the sea. There'll be no>> frustrations, just friendly crustaceans, under the sea.>
Mr. Furr is right, of course. How soon these kids> forget the Beatles.

Octopuses are mollusks. I was quoting Homer Simpson.



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Jon Somalia 13 May 2005 01:42:46 permanent link ]
 In article <1115868985.825220.­37170@g47g2000cwa.go­oglegroups.com>,
"Dan Bretta" <nudan92@yahoo.com>­ wrote:
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that GW may be in> part caused by humans. It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we> should look for or use already available alternative energy sources or> curb our current way of life, because possibly the earth is just> heating up because of cyclical and natural changes.>
Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? This is afterall the only home> we have.>
Dan

PASCAL"5 WA63R!!!1!

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"Every Democratic Senator is to the right of Kerry..including
Kucinich." - C. Beauchamp
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Matthew Hennig 13 May 2005 02:03:53 permanent link ]
 mianderson@students.­mcg.edu wrote in news:1115932506.714­679.11930
@g44g2000cwa.google­groups.com:
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>
I don't understand all the opposition to the idea that Jesus may have>
been real and right.>
is there any opposition to this? Some don't believe in jesus. Some> do. But the people who don't believe in jesus don't provide> "opposition" in the sense that the people who don't believe in global> warming provide opposition. The two have nothing in common- with> Global warming and greenhouse gases and the environment you have> funding issues, policy issues, etc....areas where opposition is> actually important. With the Jesus issue you don't have any of these> issues.(unless Jesus took a position on global warming, and I doubt he> did)>
It seems silly to me to resist the idea that we>> should live morally and hold reverence toward God because possibly> life>> just came about randomly on its own.>>
I've never seen anyone "resist" that idea. I have seen people resist> that idea when it is used to make gov't policy. A big difference.

Obviously you don't know parody when you see it.

MH

--
Ten of Spades
Aggee Fedayeen Chief
Supreme Ruler of the Obvious

"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got
outcoached."
- OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
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Jon Russell 13 May 2005 04:06:18 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:45:21 GMT, Tony Lima
<TonyLima2@worldnet­.att.net> wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:47:42 -0400, Jeffrey Davis><res099c9@all­tel.net> wrote:
So friggin' what? Few people argue that the earth is not>getting warmer. The issue is the role of human activity in>that warming.

Interestingly, 1998 was the "warmest year on record", 2004 was not.
What, therefore, is the ubershort-term trend? Esp vis a vis CO2
output?


Don't forget to just say NO to playoffs

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Jon Russell 13 May 2005 04:07:57 permanent link ]
 On 12 May 2005 07:09:44 -0700, dave.hoyt@gmail.com­ wrote:
For the nuclear physicists in here, I'd like to gauge general opinion>on this project:>
I read about this in the Economist roughly 18 months ago. I don't know>that there's been any progress since then. The idea is extremely>interesti­ng though.

Thanks for the link, Dave.....I'll look around and see if I can find
something for you from my end. Haven't heard of this one before.




Don't forget to just say NO to playoffs

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Jeffrey Davis 13 May 2005 05:05:22 permanent link ]
 Jon Russell wrote:> On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:45:21 GMT, Tony Lima> <TonyLima2@worldnet­.att.net> wrote:>
On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:47:42 -0400, Jeffrey Davis>><res099c9@al­ltel.net> wrote:>
So friggin' what? Few people argue that the earth is not>>getting warmer. The issue is the role of human activity in>>that warming.>
Interestingly, 1998 was the "warmest year on record", 2004 was not.> What, therefore, is the ubershort-term trend? Esp vis a vis CO2> output?

Interestingly, the hottest years on record are in the last decade.
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Jim Brown 13 May 2005 05:32:37 permanent link ]
 
"Jeffrey Davis" <res099c9@alltel.ne­t> wrote in message
news:1cada$4283fd53­$8b373efe$16226@ALLT­EL.NET...> Jon Russell wrote:> > On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:45:21 GMT, Tony Lima> > <TonyLima2@worldnet­.att.net> wrote:> >
On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:47:42 -0400, Jeffrey Davis> >><res099c9@alltel.­net> wrote:> >
So friggin' what? Few people argue that the earth is not> >>getting warmer. The issue is the role of human activity in> >>that warming.> >
Interestingly, 1998 was the "warmest year on record", 2004 was not.> > What, therefore, is the ubershort-term trend? Esp vis a vis CO2> > output?>
Interestingly, the hottest years on record are in the last decade.

Interestingly, "on record" is a very short period of time to be making rash
comparisons with.


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Tony Lima 13 May 2005 16:34:50 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 12 May 2005 19:04:05 -0500, Jon Russell
<jonruss63tcov@yaho­o.com> wrote:
Tony Lima wrote:>>The U.S. produces about 1/4 of total world output. I'd>>guess that we also produce quite a bit of CO2. Population>>and production are both relevant here. >
Yup - 20% co2 output iirc? I'd be curious to see emissions rated>against output.>
There are all sorts of ways to slice and dice the numbers - some>relevant, some not. Always interesting to look.

Depends. You gonna include human emissions? What about
animal (cows and termites, among others)? - Tony

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Jon Russell 15 May 2005 06:54:36 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 13 May 2005 12:34:50 GMT, Tony Lima
<TonyLima2@worldnet­.att.net> wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2005 19:04:05 -0500, Jon Russell><jonruss63t­cov@yahoo.com> wrote:>
Tony Lima wrote:>>>The U.S. produces about 1/4 of total world output. I'd>>>guess that we also produce quite a bit of CO2. Population>>>and production are both relevant here. >>
Yup - 20% co2 output iirc? I'd be curious to see emissions rated>>against output.>>
There are all sorts of ways to slice and dice the numbers - some>>relevant, some not. Always interesting to look.>
Depends. You gonna include human emissions? What about>animal (cows and termites, among others)? - Tony

Actually, that's a pretty interesting question - certainly methane and
CO2 emitting dairy and cattle herds are no small factor if included
under the category of anthropogenic factors...otoh, would you remove
"natural" anthropogenic factors such as respiration?




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Jon Russell 15 May 2005 06:59:00 permanent link ]
 On 13 May 2005 07:02:20 -0700, dave.hoyt@gmail.com­ wrote:
Jon Russell wrote:
Thanks for the link, Dave.....I'll look around and see if I can find>> something for you from my end. Haven't heard of this one before.>>
No, it's my pleasure. I've had a hard time getting input on the>validity of the project because to be honest, a Democrat sees "nuclear">and cringes and a Republican sees "alternative fuel" and cringes. An>unjaundiced eye is always appreciated.

Haw - I'm plentry jaundiced!1111!11
The part I find most intriguing is that the reactor could run on spent>fuel rods, which I believe would give us a chance to deplete part of>our nuclear waste facilities.

Absolutely - this is one of those ideas that'd be awesome if it would
work out - taking former "waste" and turning it into a useful product
- ref fry oil into biodiesel and/or the idea I posted a while ago
wherein secondary generators are used with lower temp steam in power
plants.

AAR - here's a comment I received from a former nuke sub jock I know:
I haven't heard of it before, but (as expected,> I'm sure) I do have some opinions...>
One of things that strikes me is this: if a> country wants to breed weapons grade Plutonium, they> will be able to do it with an enriched Uranium> reactor. The Irans and NK's of the world just simply> won't build one of these new reactors if their goal is> to get the Plutonium. Also, we are making a case for> safeguarding the spent fuel. I can tell you this> unequivically: it would be very difficult to> steal/hold/transpor­t these rods as they are very, very> radioactive. Very. Also, nuclear waste as defined by> this article is a very small part of the volume of> waste that is generated. Every piece of gear in a> reactor plant, including all the water, is> radioactive. The fuel rods are small in comparison. > A more thorough burn-through of the fuel is one small> step in the right direction in terms of limiting> radioactivity. The real deal is fusion, but that is> many years away. Fuel cells in the meantime hold the> most promise, I think.

Not sure if this helps ya at all, but I'll get looking here and there
for ya




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