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Weird NFL rumor
Jon Russell 30 March 2005 03:20:43
	San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first round pick. Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that slot? -- Don't forget to just say NO to playoffs Jon Russell, the CheeseHusker
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Setzer 30 March 2005 03:46:23 [ permanent link ]
	San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first round > pick.> Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that slot? The rumor has San Diego taking Braylon Edwards. -- Setzer
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Charles Beauchamp 30 March 2005 03:49:29 [ permanent link ]
	Jon Russell wrote:> San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first> round pick.> Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that slot? A sudden realization that trading Eli for him was stupid? Draft um..hmmm...Alex Barron. HAHAHA!!! -- v/r Beau
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C The Shocker 30 March 2005 03:49:42 [ permanent link ]
	"Setzer" <setzer@setzertopia.net> wrote in message news:LJl2e.3141$vL3.3102@bignews4.bellsouth.net...> > San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first round> > pick.> > Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that slot?> The rumor has San Diego taking Braylon Edwards.> --> Setzer Since when are you into football, Setz? -- C The Shocker Never trust a big butt and a smile!
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John Rogers 30 March 2005 06:17:49 [ permanent link ]
	Yeah, Jon Russell <jonruss63tcov@yahoo.com>, well... that's just like... your opinion man. San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first round pick.> Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that slot? I think the Chargers would have to give up a little more than Rivers to get the #1 overall pick... say Rivers and a 3rd round pick. If I was them, I'd pick either Edwards or M. Williams. If not a receiver, then go defense and pick the LB from Texas. John Rogers AU Class of 1985 The Al Del Greco of Atlanta "Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in Heaven - Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and Principalities, Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it is in the Navy. You have come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother." (Captain Jack Aubrey, R.N. "The Ionian Mission)
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Vijay Ramanujan 30 March 2005 06:19:42 [ permanent link ]
	In article <603k41t554150l3o5uq408kpm9cgu2m2q3@4ax.com>, John Rogers <tiger7_88@yahoo.com> wrote: Yeah, Jon Russell <jonruss63tcov@yahoo.com>, well... that's just> like... your opinion man.> San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first round pick.> > Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that slot?> I think the Chargers would have to give up a little more than Rivers> to get the #1 overall pick... say Rivers and a 3rd round pick. Normally I'd agree with you, but the salary cap implications (great for SF) may have them settling for less than they'd otherwise get. If I was them, I'd pick either Edwards or M. Williams. If not a> receiver, then go defense and pick the LB from Texas. They wouldn't need to go anywhere near #1 overall to get Johnson. The highest he could possibly go is #3, it's looking like, and he could last well past that. Vijay R.
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Charles Beauchamp 30 March 2005 06:48:25 [ permanent link ]
	John Rogers wrote:> Yeah, Jon Russell <jonruss63tcov@yahoo.com>, well... that's just> like... your opinion man.> San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first>> round pick.>> Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that slot?> I think the Chargers would have to give up a little more than Rivers> to get the #1 overall pick... say Rivers and a 3rd round pick.> If I was them, I'd pick either Edwards or M. Williams. If not a> receiver, then go defense and pick the LB from Texas.> I am still amazed that they trade Eli to get Rivers..and would find the idea of teh Niners dealing the chance of getting Rodgers or even Smith just to get Rivers kinda silly. -- v/r Beau
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Jon Russell 30 March 2005 07:01:25 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1112151054.082459.274170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, deemsbill@aol.com says...> Charles Beauchamp wrote:>> John Rogers wrote:>> > Yeah, Jon Russell <jonruss63tcov@yahoo.com>, well... that's just>> > like... your opinion man.>> > San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first>> >> round pick.>> >> Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that>slot?>> > I think the Chargers would have to give up a little more than>Rivers>> > to get the #1 overall pick... say Rivers and a 3rd round pick.>> > If I was them, I'd pick either Edwards or M. Williams. If not a>> > receiver, then go defense and pick the LB from Texas.>> > I am still amazed that they trade Eli to get Rivers..and would find>the idea>> of teh Niners dealing the chance of getting Rodgers or even Smith>just to>> get Rivers kinda silly.>> -->> v/r Beau> True, but we are discussing San Diego...prolly the worst front office>in the NFL.> Ahem. Arizinattroit on line one. -- Don't forget to just say NO to playoffs Jon Russell, the CheeseHusker
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Tom Enright 30 March 2005 07:34:53 [ permanent link ]
	<deemsbill@aol.com> is in it to win it like Yzerman: True, but we are discussing San Diego...prolly the worst front office> in the NFL. Too many ferns? Not enough seating? Surly receptionist? -Tom Enright
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Charles Beauchamp 30 March 2005 08:44:24 [ permanent link ]
	deemsbill@aol.com wrote:> Charles Beauchamp wrote:>> John Rogers wrote:>>> Yeah, Jon Russell <jonruss63tcov@yahoo.com>, well... that's just>>> like... your opinion man.>>> San Diego trades Rivers to the 49ers in exchange for their first>>>> round pick.>>>> Why would the Chargers do this and who would they draft in that>>>> slot?>>> I think the Chargers would have to give up a little more than Rivers>>> to get the #1 overall pick... say Rivers and a 3rd round pick.>>> If I was them, I'd pick either Edwards or M. Williams. If not a>>> receiver, then go defense and pick the LB from Texas.>>> I am still amazed that they trade Eli to get Rivers..and would find>> the idea of teh Niners dealing the chance of getting Rodgers or even>> Smith just to get Rivers kinda silly.>> -->> v/r Beau> True, but we are discussing San Diego...prolly the worst front office> in the NFL. They do seem rather confused though in retrospect that Michael Vick trade looks pretty smart it just took a while to be obvious -- v/r Beau
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Charles Beauchamp 30 March 2005 08:50:18 [ permanent link ]
	Tush smells Bush kills wrote:> First of all, SD had no choice but to deal Eli. He was threatening to> sit out the year, which means they get 0 compensation.> Ya and you must be among the 1/2% of people on the planet that actually believe he would have sat out. Secondly, the rumor I heard was SF getting Rivers AND SD #1 pick.> Considering none of the QBs in this year's draft are considered a sure> lock for the hall of fame, I'd make that deal if I were SF. If San Francisco wants a franchise QB..Rivers does not have the upside that Rodgers has. v/r Beau
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Guest 30 March 2005 19:45:51 [ permanent link ]
	Jon Russell <jonruss63tcov@yahoo.com> wrote:> In article <1112151054.082459.274170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,> Ahem. Arizinattroit on line one. I like that one... I think I'll use it. -- Aaron
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Charles Beauchamp 30 March 2005 22:14:28 [ permanent link ]
	mianderson@students.mcg.edu wrote:> Charles Beauchamp wrote:>> Ya and you must be among the 1/2% of people on the planet that>> actually believe he would have sat out.>> Plenty more people than that believed he would sit out. This isn't a> guy who needed the big signing bonus immediately. He could have> waited a year. By that time the chargers wouldn't have pulled the> trigger on him again.> Not to say I agree with the trade. I love manning as a future pro and> was never impressed by rivers. They probably should have drafted> someone other than Manning or Rivers with the #1 pick, or have traded> down. I have never been enamored with Rivers and his goofy throwing motion at all. -- v/r Beau
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Charles Beauchamp 30 March 2005 23:18:55 [ permanent link ]
	Tush smells Bush kills wrote:>> Your one source says some not most or all. SO it is not in your>> support.> Only a moron in deep denial would claim TWO professional sources that> directly contradict his highly opinioniated assertion (which btw is> supported by NO ONE) would claim otherwise. What a tool.> One more time..your ONE source does not say what you are saying it says. Your ONE source says "some scouts" which does not equate to your obvious view that is that most scouts/experts/insiders/whatever view Rivers as the better prospect then Rodgers. Simply put I don't read that anywhere and it certainly is NOT what your ONE source sais. Your comparison was entirely irrational. Might as well have been>> comparing them based on uniform numbers.> Not as stupid as bashing Rivers for his unorthodox throwing motion. Um...your right. It is not as stupid because bashing Rivers for his goofy throwing motion is not stupid in anyway. Babble about how many games Leaf won as a rookie as a means of arguing about Eli is just silly. Rivers' goofy throwing motion WILL lead to balls batted down. Don't see that? Then STFU and start actually watching football games. you can recall, Marino and Elway didn't exactly have conventional> throwing mechanics. Oh, right, they were BUSTS because of it. Idiot. You are also wrong in both cases. In fact when Elway came into the NFL he was the highest rated QB in the history of the draft. -- v/r Beau
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Charles Beauchamp 30 March 2005 23:19:25 [ permanent link ]
	Tush smells Bush kills wrote:> No one's enamored with your idiotic posts, either... yet, you continue> to overcome it. Amazing. Hey make an actual intelligent football observation. You gotta start somewhere newbie. -- v/r Beau
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Charles Beauchamp 30 March 2005 23:23:49 [ permanent link ]
	Tush smells Bush kills wrote:>> Plenty more people than that believed he would sit out. This isn't a>> guy who needed the big signing bonus immediately. He could have>> waited a year.> Exactly. He's from a rich family, and not some poor sap from the> inner-city, who's depended on to support the family. He could have> quit football entirely and never gone hungry.> By that time the chargers wouldn't have pulled the trigger on> him again.> Tampa didn't draft Bo again. So I highly doubt Chargers would've> drafted Eli again.> Not to say I agree with the trade. I love manning as a future pro>> and> was never impressed by rivers.> Rivers faced far superior competition in college Untrue. and yet, put up some> impressive numbers, in spite of his "poor" mechanics. Eli obviously> has the better pedigree, but I wouldn't rule out Rivers becoming a> great pro.> What does seem obvious is that Eli is getting a free-pass, considering> his QB rating was barely over 50 (remember Ryan Leaf, anyone?) and> when he took over the helm, they went from a playoff team to a toilet> team. But no one's labelling him a bust. I guess Hall of Fame> offsprings get extra seasons to prove themselves.> Um...top pick in the draft get's time to develop. You haven't been following this sport very closely have you? They probably should have drafted>> someone other than Manning or Rivers with the #1 pick, or have traded>> down.> In essence, they did trade down. They got Rivers (who they were going> to draft all along) plus two 1st rd picks for Eli. They drafted Eli> to basically say "FU" to Archie, who had met face to face with> Chargers' front office to threaten them not to draft his boy. I bet> they had a good laugh at that. I sure did. That they thought Rivers the better prospect points to the general ineptness of the Chargers scouting. Nothing new. They have been a draft day mess for years. Now they are basically paying too much at the QB position. In a way it sorta hurt them that Brees had his amazing transformation last year from fast track to out of the league to Pro-Bowl. -- v/r Beau
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Charles Beauchamp 31 March 2005 02:07:59 [ permanent link ]
	Tush smells Bush kills wrote:>> One more time..your ONE source does not say what you are saying it>> says. Your ONE source says "some scouts" which does not equate to>> your obvious view that is that most>> scouts/experts/insiders/whatever view Rivers as the better prospect>> then Rodgers. Simply put I don't read that anywhere and it>> certainly is NOT what your ONE source sais.> First of all, I provided TWO sources. ESPN and Mercury News.> Secondly, you seem to be under the impression that the rest of the> scouts think Rodgers is a better prospect than Rivers. Then wouldn't> it be logical (not that you understand what that is) to state, "most> scouts think Rodgers is better prospect than Rivers.... so Niners are> crazy to make this trade."?> If that were true.... why are you still having difficulty finding ONE> credible source that says so?> I am not having trouble..trouble would suggest effort is actually being made. Whereas you have provided ONE source that says some scouts..and you still don't seem to grasp that "some scouts" is not the same as MOST SCOUTS..since the obvious is that Rodgers is better. Let me try to simplify this. Lets say I ask everyone on rsfc what they> think of you. Five write back and say "Charles is a nincumpoop." The> rest refuse to answer or aren't able to. When I write my article, I> would write "some people think Charles is a nincumpoop." I can't say> "all" or "most" since there are far more than five people posting> here. But it also doesn't mean the rest think you're not a> nincumpoop. Get it now?> Yes I get that. I got that the first time...except that you in the first place didn't say that "some scouts" said anything. You said something completely different. And your something completely different is not the same as what you are pretending is stated in this futile example. Your comparison was entirely irrational. Might as well have been>>> comparing them based on uniform numbers.> Not as stupid as bashing Rivers for his unorthodox throwing motion.> Um...your right. It is not as stupid because bashing Rivers for his>> goofy throwing motion is not stupid in anyway. Babble about how>> many games Leaf won as a rookie as a means of arguing about Eli is>> just silly.> Why shouldn't they be compared? Both arrived with out-of-this-world> hype and both had shitty rookie seasons. Or are you telling me that> you're able to predict the future?> Jeez, you are Jarosian. I never said they shouldn't be compared. I bashed your stupid comparison because it was meaningless. By your bizarre reasoning I guess Ben is the greatest prospect in NFL history. Rivers'>> goofy throwing motion WILL lead to balls batted down. Don't see>> that?> Then>> STFU and start actually watching football games.> I watched Elway's goofy throwing motion in 5 super bowls (winning 2 of> them). Watched Marino set passing records with his unorthodox passing.> Watched Roethlisberger win 15 straight games with his side-winder.> What's your point?> My point is you don't know wtf you are talking about. Elway and Marino did not have goofy throwing motions. you can recall, Marino and Elway didn't exactly have conventional>> throwing mechanics. Oh, right, they were BUSTS because of it. Idiot.> You are also wrong in both cases. In fact when Elway came into the>> NFL he was the highest rated QB in the history of the draft.> I guess logic isn't the only one you have trouble with. Add sarcasm to> that list. It isn't sarcasm when you meant it retard. -- v/r Beau
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John Rogers 31 March 2005 02:57:30 [ permanent link ]
	Yeah, "Charles Beauchamp" <C.E.Beauchamp@NOSPAMcomcast.net>, well... that's just like... your opinion man. Tush smells Bush kills wrote:>> Charles Beauchamp wrote:>>> Tush smells Bush kills wrote:>>>> First of all, SD had no choice but to deal Eli. He was threatening>>>> to sit out the year, which means they get 0 compensation.>>>> Ya and you must be among the 1/2% of people on the planet that>>> actually believe he would have sat out.>> Must be. I also believed Bo Jackson when he said he would never play>> for Tampa. Maybe you can refresh my mind.... what happened after the>> Bucs selected him #1 overall?>> He honored his already previously signed Major League Baseball contract...or >did you not remember that small detail? Bo did not have a previously signed Major League Baseball contract at the time he was drafted by Tampa Bay. He had been playing on the Auburn baseball team just shortly before the NFL draft. Professional baseball players were not allowed to play NCAA sports in the SEC back at that time. John Rogers AU Class of 1985 The Al Del Greco of Atlanta "Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in Heaven - Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and Principalities, Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it is in the Navy. You have come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother." (Captain Jack Aubrey, R.N. "The Ionian Mission)
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