From the esteemed author of "FDR's Folly". I have an idea for> his next book, "Clinton's Calamity: How fiscal responsibility> and budget surpluses led to massive deficit spending and> pointless wars by the subsequent administration."
If you hate revisionist history, you wouldn't have written the above.
Reading the blurbs from that book, Powell is a moron. First> of all, communism was rising anyway and had much more to do> with the extreme poverty and residual serfdom in Eastern> Europe. Entering the war was the right thing> to do. It was the isolationism of the U.S. and the> ridiculous war reparations imposed on Germany that led to> Nazism. Those were imposed (or developed) after Wilson became> incapacitated.
I have no idea if the book is good or bad and I have never read anything by the author. It is just that we were discussing WW in another thread. In fact, I don't like Wilson in general, but I didn't think he was as bad as the author seems to indicate.
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TimV wrote:>
From the esteemed author of "FDR's Folly". I have an idea for>> his next book, "Clinton's Calamity: How fiscal responsibility>> and budget surpluses led to massive deficit spending and>> pointless wars by the subsequent administration.">
If you hate revisionist history, you wouldn't have written>the above.>
Reading the blurbs from that book, Powell is a moron. First>> of all, communism was rising anyway and had much more to do>> with the extreme poverty and residual serfdom in Eastern>> Europe. Entering the war was the right thing>> to do. It was the isolationism of the U.S. and the>> ridiculous war reparations imposed on Germany that led to>> Nazism. Those were imposed (or developed) after Wilson became>> incapacitated.>
I have no idea if the book is good or bad and I have never>read anything by the author. It is just that we were>discussing WW in another thread. In fact, I don't like>Wilson in general, but I didn't think he was as bad as the>author seems to indicate.
I think it's more revisionist political spin on history. I get the feeling the nothing would please some in the GOP if they could make all of their presidents look like God's gift to America and the Deems look like the worst to ever work in Washington. This is the kind of stuff that needs to quit. I don't care that much about party, I lean to the deems because of BS that keeps spewing from the right regarding a lot of things, it almost sounds as if the GOP wants to be in an alternate Universe....
-- "People who read the tabloids deserve to be lied to" - Jerry Seinfeld "Education is the progressive discovery of our own Ignorance" - Will Durant "We are drowning in information, while starving for wisdom." - E.O. Wilson "the glass is not only half full the first half was delicious" --Me To Reply: Scrape off the end bits...
Wilson's War : How Woodrow Wilson's Great Blunder Led> to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and World War II> by JIM POWELL>
I had always understood that it was the French who ultimately caused WWII due to their insistence on putting the screws to Germany, even when it was apparent that they were driving Germany into economic ruin via reparation payments and taking over German industry in Alsace-Lorraine.
Matthew Hennig 18 March 2005 19:23:31 [ permanent link ]
Dennis <drjudsjr@verizon.netSCRAPE.com> wrote in news:1erl31psv0958pfim403esk05pubipm13d@4ax.com:
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TimV wrote:>>
From the esteemed author of "FDR's Folly". I have an idea for>>> his next book, "Clinton's Calamity: How fiscal responsibility>>> and budget surpluses led to massive deficit spending and>>> pointless wars by the subsequent administration.">>
If you hate revisionist history, you wouldn't have written>>the above.>>
Reading the blurbs from that book, Powell is a moron. First>>> of all, communism was rising anyway and had much more to do>>> with the extreme poverty and residual serfdom in Eastern>>> Europe. Entering the war was the right thing>>> to do. It was the isolationism of the U.S. and the>>> ridiculous war reparations imposed on Germany that led to>>> Nazism. Those were imposed (or developed) after Wilson became>>> incapacitated.>>
I have no idea if the book is good or bad and I have never>>read anything by the author. It is just that we were>>discussing WW in another thread. In fact, I don't like>>Wilson in general, but I didn't think he was as bad as the>>author seems to indicate.>
I think it's more revisionist political spin on history. I get the> feeling the nothing would please some in the GOP if they could make> all of their presidents look like God's gift to America and the Deems> look like the worst to ever work in Washington. This is the kind of> stuff that needs to quit. I don't care that much about party, I lean> to the deems because of BS that keeps spewing from the right regarding> a lot of things, it almost sounds as if the GOP wants to be in an> alternate Universe....
Why do you hate Bill Deems?
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.
Dennis <drjudsjr@verizon.netSCRAPE.com> wrote in> news:1erl31psv0958pfim403esk05pubipm13d@4ax.com: >
alicamdun@yahoo.com You're digging it round, when it aughta Be SQUARE>>
TimV wrote:>>>
From the esteemed author of "FDR's Folly". I have an idea for>>>> his next book, "Clinton's Calamity: How fiscal responsibility>>>> and budget surpluses led to massive deficit spending and>>>> pointless wars by the subsequent administration.">>>
If you hate revisionist history, you wouldn't have written>>>the above.>>>
Reading the blurbs from that book, Powell is a moron. First>>>> of all, communism was rising anyway and had much more to do>>>> with the extreme poverty and residual serfdom in Eastern>>>> Europe. Entering the war was the right thing>>>> to do. It was the isolationism of the U.S. and the>>>> ridiculous war reparations imposed on Germany that led to>>>> Nazism. Those were imposed (or developed) after Wilson became>>>> incapacitated.>>>
I have no idea if the book is good or bad and I have never>>>read anything by the author. It is just that we were>>>discussing WW in another thread. In fact, I don't like>>>Wilson in general, but I didn't think he was as bad as the>>>author seems to indicate.>>
I think it's more revisionist political spin on history. I get the>> feeling the nothing would please some in the GOP if they could make>> all of their presidents look like God's gift to America and the Deems>> look like the worst to ever work in Washington. This is the kind of>> stuff that needs to quit. I don't care that much about party, I lean>> to the deems because of BS that keeps spewing from the right regarding>> a lot of things, it almost sounds as if the GOP wants to be in an>> alternate Universe....>
Matthew Hennig 18 March 2005 20:06:17 [ permanent link ]
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in news:Xns961D702B0C5AAeggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30:
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, > Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>
Dennis <drjudsjr@verizon.netSCRAPE.com> wrote in>> news:1erl31psv0958pfim403esk05pubipm13d@4ax.com: >>
alicamdun@yahoo.com You're digging it round, when it aughta Be>>> SQUARE >>>
TimV wrote:>>>>
From the esteemed author of "FDR's Folly". I have an idea for>>>>> his next book, "Clinton's Calamity: How fiscal responsibility>>>>> and budget surpluses led to massive deficit spending and>>>>> pointless wars by the subsequent administration.">>>>
If you hate revisionist history, you wouldn't have written>>>>the above.>>>>
Reading the blurbs from that book, Powell is a moron. First>>>>> of all, communism was rising anyway and had much more to do>>>>> with the extreme poverty and residual serfdom in Eastern>>>>> Europe. Entering the war was the right thing>>>>> to do. It was the isolationism of the U.S. and the>>>>> ridiculous war reparations imposed on Germany that led to>>>>> Nazism. Those were imposed (or developed) after Wilson became>>>>> incapacitated.>>>>
I have no idea if the book is good or bad and I have never>>>>read anything by the author. It is just that we were>>>>discussing WW in another thread. In fact, I don't like>>>>Wilson in general, but I didn't think he was as bad as the>>>>author seems to indicate.>>>
I think it's more revisionist political spin on history. I get the>>> feeling the nothing would please some in the GOP if they could make>>> all of their presidents look like God's gift to America and the>>> Deems look like the worst to ever work in Washington. This is the>>> kind of stuff that needs to quit. I don't care that much about>>> party, I lean to the deems because of BS that keeps spewing from the>>> right regarding a lot of things, it almost sounds as if the GOP>>> wants to be in an alternate Universe....>>
Why do you hate Bill Deems?>
Apparently you're unaware of his Washington work.
I thought he just tutored the foosball players.
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Wilson's War : How Woodrow Wilson's Great Blunder Led>>to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and World War II>>by JIM POWELL>>
I had always understood that it was the French who ultimately caused> WWII due to their insistence on putting the screws to Germany, even> when it was apparent that they were driving Germany into economic ruin> via reparation payments and taking over German industry in> Alsace-Lorraine.>
I think we can all at least agree to blame the FRENCH!!!
Eggman wrote:> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>
Dennis <drjudsjr@verizon.netSCRAPE.com> wrote in> > news:1erl31psv0958pfim403esk05pubipm13d@4ax.com:> >
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SQUARE> >>
TimV wrote:> >>>
From the esteemed author of "FDR's Folly". I have an idea for> >>>> his next book, "Clinton's Calamity: How fiscal responsibility> >>>> and budget surpluses led to massive deficit spending and> >>>> pointless wars by the subsequent administration."> >>>
If you hate revisionist history, you wouldn't have written> >>>the above.> >>>
Reading the blurbs from that book, Powell is a moron. First> >>>> of all, communism was rising anyway and had much more to do> >>>> with the extreme poverty and residual serfdom in Eastern> >>>> Europe. Entering the war was the right thing> >>>> to do. It was the isolationism of the U.S. and the> >>>> ridiculous war reparations imposed on Germany that led to> >>>> Nazism. Those were imposed (or developed) after Wilson became> >>>> incapacitated.> >>>
I have no idea if the book is good or bad and I have never> >>>read anything by the author. It is just that we were> >>>discussing WW in another thread. In fact, I don't like> >>>Wilson in general, but I didn't think he was as bad as the> >>>author seems to indicate.> >>
I think it's more revisionist political spin on history. I get the> >> feeling the nothing would please some in the GOP if they could
make> >> all of their presidents look like God's gift to America and the Deems> >> look like the worst to ever work in Washington. This is the kind
stuff that needs to quit. I don't care that much about party, I
lean> >> to the deems because of BS that keeps spewing from the right regarding> >> a lot of things, it almost sounds as if the GOP wants to be in an> >> alternate Universe....> >
Why do you hate Bill Deems?>
Apparently you're unaware of his Washington work.>
Matthew Hennig wrote:> Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in> news:Xns961D702B0C5AAeggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30:>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,
Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.> >
Dennis <drjudsjr@verizon.netSCRAPE.com> wrote in> >> news:1erl31psv0958pfim403esk05pubipm13d@4ax.com:> >>
alicamdun@yahoo.com You're digging it round, when it aughta Be> >>> SQUARE> >>>
TimV wrote:> >>>>
From the esteemed author of "FDR's Folly". I have an idea for> >>>>> his next book, "Clinton's Calamity: How fiscal responsibility> >>>>> and budget surpluses led to massive deficit spending and> >>>>> pointless wars by the subsequent administration."> >>>>
If you hate revisionist history, you wouldn't have written> >>>>the above.> >>>>
Reading the blurbs from that book, Powell is a moron. First> >>>>> of all, communism was rising anyway and had much more to do> >>>>> with the extreme poverty and residual serfdom in Eastern> >>>>> Europe. Entering the war was the right thing> >>>>> to do. It was the isolationism of the U.S. and the> >>>>> ridiculous war reparations imposed on Germany that led to> >>>>> Nazism. Those were imposed (or developed) after Wilson became> >>>>> incapacitated.> >>>>
I have no idea if the book is good or bad and I have never> >>>>read anything by the author. It is just that we were> >>>>discussing WW in another thread. In fact, I don't like> >>>>Wilson in general, but I didn't think he was as bad as the> >>>>author seems to indicate.> >>>
I think it's more revisionist political spin on history. I get
feeling the nothing would please some in the GOP if they could
make> >>> all of their presidents look like God's gift to America and the> >>> Deems look like the worst to ever work in Washington. This is
kind of stuff that needs to quit. I don't care that much about> >>> party, I lean to the deems because of BS that keeps spewing from
right regarding a lot of things, it almost sounds as if the GOP> >>> wants to be in an alternate Universe....> >>
Why do you hate Bill Deems?> >
Apparently you're unaware of his Washington work.>
the UN was supposed to have more teeth than that,>>>>and it has kept major wars out of the picture>>>>now for 60 years...>
Actually that would be nuclear weapons.>
The VietCong had nukes!!!>
A major confrontation would have been too destructive> for the US/Europe/USSR/China to engage in. So the> surrogates fought it out.>
So, sevral hundreds of thousands dead doesn't constitute a major war. Interesting. And the Vietnamese were surrogates for the ChiComs? Interesting notion. Did the principals know this?
Jeffrey Davis wrote:> alicamdun@yahoo.com wrote:>
Jeffrey Davis wrote:> >
alicamdun@yahoo.com wrote:> >
that in High school... 20 some years ago...> >>>>
the UN was supposed to have more teeth than that,> >>>>and it has kept major wars out of the picture> >>>>now for 60 years...> >
Actually that would be nuclear weapons.> >
The VietCong had nukes!!!> >
A major confrontation would have been too destructive> > for the US/Europe/USSR/China to engage in. So the> > surrogates fought it out.> >
So, sevral hundreds of thousands dead doesn't constitute a major war.
Interesting. And the Vietnamese were surrogates for the ChiComs?> Interesting notion. Did the principals know this?
Several hundred thousand pales beside what a head-on confrontation would've produced. One side thought the Viets were surrogates. The other used them kind of surrogates after the fact.
the UN was supposed to have more teeth than that,>>>>>>and it has kept major wars out of the picture>>>>>>now for 60 years...>>>
Actually that would be nuclear weapons.>>>
The VietCong had nukes!!!>>>
A major confrontation would have been too destructive>>>for the US/Europe/USSR/China to engage in. So the>>>surrogates fought it out.>>>
So, sevral hundreds of thousands dead doesn't constitute a major war.>
Interesting. And the Vietnamese were surrogates for the ChiComs?>>Interesting notion. Did the principals know this?>
Several hundred thousand pales beside what a head-on confrontation> would've produced. One side thought the Viets were surrogates. The> other used them kind of surrogates after the fact.>
Major is major. Something doesn't have to Armageddon to be major.
Surrogates after the fact?
Sort of like the way I've used 16th century Spain.
I agree with the first part, but not the second.> >
The Germans were not actually "defeated in the field."> > Their armies returned home to a relatively positive> > welcome. I have read how when the Germans withdrew> > from France and Beligum the Allies were amazed how> > orderly and cleanly they disengaged, formed-up and> > marched home.> >
This is why the occupation of Iraq is so important,> > you can compare the end of WWI and how that led to> > WWII and the first and second Gulf Wars.> >
-Tom Enright
The Germans were defeated in the field. When your army> pretty much gives up and goes home, you've lost. If the> Germans had somehow stuck it out into 1919, the Allies> were going to roll their asses back to Berlin.
My point is that the German Army did not surrender, the German government surrendered (although the army, of course, had to make it official) and the war ended with no allies actually in Germany.
A major confrontation would have been too destructive> > for the US/Europe/USSR/China to engage in. So the> > surrogates fought it out.
So, sevral hundreds of thousands dead doesn't constitute a> major war. Interesting. And the Vietnamese were surrogates> for the ChiComs? Interesting notion. Did the principals> know this?
My post clearly states "US/Europe/USSR/China" and a major war between them.
I don't get the Vietnamese/surrogate/China comment.
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Jeffrey Davis wrote:>
alicamdun@yahoo.com wrote:>
Actually that would be nuclear weapons.>
The VietCong had nukes!!!>
A major confrontation would have been too destructive>> > for the US/Europe/USSR/China to engage in. So the>> > surrogates fought it out.>
So, sevral hundreds of thousands dead doesn't constitute a>> major war. Interesting. And the Vietnamese were surrogates>> for the ChiComs? Interesting notion. Did the principals>> know this?>
My post clearly states "US/Europe/USSR/China" and a major>war between them.>
I don't get the Vietnamese/surrogate/China comment.
did you forget about the reason we went to Korea?
Creeping Communism... \ the idea is a Parallel to the Bush Doctrine...
-- "People who read the tabloids deserve to be lied to" - Jerry Seinfeld "Education is the progressive discovery of our own Ignorance" - Will Durant "We are drowning in information, while starving for wisdom." - E.O. Wilson "the glass is not only half full the first half was delicious" --Me To Reply: Scrape off the end bits...
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alicamdun@yahoo.com wrote in news:1111202290.800147.186390> @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
I agree with the first part, but not the second.>>
The Germans were not actually "defeated in the field.">> Their armies returned home to a relatively positive>> welcome. I have read how when the Germans withdrew>> from France and Beligum the Allies were amazed how>> orderly and cleanly they disengaged, formed-up and>> marched home.>>
This is why the occupation of Iraq is so important,>> you can compare the end of WWI and how that led to>> WWII and the first and second Gulf Wars.
Sure you can, Karl.>
Iraq marched right out of their borders and conquered Kuwait in 2003,> prompting our reinvasion. IF ONLY WE HAD KEPT THE SCREWS> ON THEM! Or destroyed their army! Woe is us!
If you are so inclined, you can look at my posts about this and I was not in favor of going all the way to Baghdad. I was wrong than. I bet you were too.
"Dennis" <drjudsjr@verizon.netSCRAPE.com> wrote in message news:mup041pf87ngk814lt8d0irfce7orsk70p@4ax.com...> alicamdun@yahoo.com You're digging it round, when it aughta Be SQUARE
Jeffrey Davis wrote:
alicamdun@yahoo.com wrote:>>
So, sevral hundreds of thousands dead doesn't constitute a>>> major war. Interesting. And the Vietnamese were surrogates>>> for the ChiComs? Interesting notion. Did the principals>>> know this?
My post clearly states "US/Europe/USSR/China" and a major>>war between them.
I don't get the Vietnamese/surrogate/China comment.> did you forget about the reason we went to Korea?
Creeping Communism...
It wasn't exactly "creeping", it was rushing down the Korean pennisula at a fair clip.
I *still* don't know what he means by "Vietnam is a surrogate of China" statement.
the idea is a Parallel to the Bush Doctrine...
I'd be pleased if radical Islamists went the way of the communists.
-Tom Enright
--> "People who read the tabloids deserve to be lied to" - Jerry Seinfeld> "Education is the progressive discovery of our own Ignorance" - Will > Durant> "We are drowning in information, while starving for wisdom." - E.O. Wilson> "the glass is not only half full the first half was delicious" --Me> To Reply: Scrape off the end bits...
"Dennis" <drjudsjr@verizon.netSCRAPE.com> wrote in message > news:mup041pf87ngk814lt8d0irfce7orsk70p@4ax.com...>
alicamdun@yahoo.com You're digging it round, when it aughta Be SQUARE>
Jeffrey Davis wrote:>
alicamdun@yahoo.com wrote:>>>
So, sevral hundreds of thousands dead doesn't constitute a>>>>major war. Interesting. And the Vietnamese were surrogates>>>>for the ChiComs? Interesting notion. Did the principals>>>>know this?>
My post clearly states "US/Europe/USSR/China" and a major>>>war between them.>
I don't get the Vietnamese/surrogate/China comment.>>
did you forget about the reason we went to Korea?>
Creeping Communism...>
It wasn't exactly "creeping", it was rushing down the Korean pennisula> at a fair clip.>
I *still* don't know what he means by "Vietnam is a surrogate of China"> statement.
Who's "he". After awhile (2 possibles) pronouns are your enemy.
the idea is a Parallel to the Bush Doctrine...>
I'd be pleased if radical Islamists went the way of the communists.
