By Youssef M. Ibrahim Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page B01
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates
"Listen to the conversations in the cafes on the edge of the creek that runs through this Persian Gulf city, and it is hard to believe that the George W. Bush being praised by Arab diners is the same George W. Bush who has been widely excoriated in these parts ever since he took office.
"Nowadays, intellectuals, businessmen and working-class people alike can be caught lauding Bush's hard-edged posture on democracy and cheering his handling of Arab rulers who are U.S. allies."
"'His talk about democracy is good,' an Egyptian-born woman was telling companions at the Fatafeet (or "Crumbs") restaurant the other night, exuberant enough for her voice to carry to neighboring tables. 'He keeps hitting this nail. That's good, by God, isn't it?' At another table, a Lebanese man was waxing enthusiastic over Bush's blunt and irreverent manner toward Arab autocrats. 'It is good to light a fire under their feet,' he said."
* * *
Maybe the tide _is_turning over there.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
By Youssef M. Ibrahim> Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page B01>
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates >
"Listen to the conversations in the cafes on the edge of the creek> that runs through this Persian Gulf city, and it is hard to believe> that the George W. Bush being praised by Arab diners is the same> George W. Bush who has been widely excoriated in these parts ever> since he took office. >
"Nowadays, intellectuals, businessmen and working-class people alike> can be caught lauding Bush's hard-edged posture on democracy and> cheering his handling of Arab rulers who are U.S. allies.">
"'His talk about democracy is good,' an Egyptian-born woman was> telling companions at the Fatafeet (or "Crumbs") restaurant the other> night, exuberant enough for her voice to carry to neighboring tables.> 'He keeps hitting this nail. That's good, by God, isn't it?' At> another table, a Lebanese man was waxing enthusiastic over Bush's> blunt and irreverent manner toward Arab autocrats. 'It is good to> light a fire under their feet,' he said.">
* * *>
Maybe the tide _is_turning over there.
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO WMDS??!!?!?!?!?????
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
By Youssef M. Ibrahim> Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page B01
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates
"Listen to the conversations in the cafes on the edge of the creek that > runs through this Persian Gulf city, and it is hard to believe that the > George W. Bush being praised by Arab diners is the same George W. Bush who > has been widely excoriated in these parts ever since he took office.
"Nowadays, intellectuals, businessmen and working-class people alike can be > caught lauding Bush's hard-edged posture on democracy and cheering his > handling of Arab rulers who are U.S. allies."
"'His talk about democracy is good,' an Egyptian-born woman was telling > companions at the Fatafeet (or "Crumbs") restaurant the other night, > exuberant enough for her voice to carry to neighboring tables. 'He keeps > hitting this nail. That's good, by God, isn't it?' At another table, a > Lebanese man was waxing enthusiastic over Bush's blunt and irreverent > manner toward Arab autocrats. 'It is good to light a fire under their > feet,' he said."
* * *
Maybe the tide _is_turning over there.
Well, duh, he's better than Reagan was, at least. But that's a low threshold to set.
rich -- -to reply, it's hot not warm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ \ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett / "Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world; \ than the pride that divides / when a colorful rag is unfurled."
Matthew Hennig wrote:> James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote in> news:Xns9618C0189F8AFjaschrumpfadelphiane@216.196.97.142: >
By Youssef M. Ibrahim>>Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page B01>>
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates >>
"Listen to the conversations in the cafes on the edge of the creek>>that runs through this Persian Gulf city, and it is hard to believe>>that the George W. Bush being praised by Arab diners is the same>>George W. Bush who has been widely excoriated in these parts ever>>since he took office. >>
"Nowadays, intellectuals, businessmen and working-class people alike>>can be caught lauding Bush's hard-edged posture on democracy and>>cheering his handling of Arab rulers who are U.S. allies.">>
"'His talk about democracy is good,' an Egyptian-born woman was>>telling companions at the Fatafeet (or "Crumbs") restaurant the other>>night, exuberant enough for her voice to carry to neighboring tables.>>'He keeps hitting this nail. That's good, by God, isn't it?' At>>another table, a Lebanese man was waxing enthusiastic over Bush's>>blunt and irreverent manner toward Arab autocrats. 'It is good to>>light a fire under their feet,' he said.">>
* * *>>
Maybe the tide _is_turning over there.>
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO WMDS??!!?!?!?!?????>
Matthew Hennig 14 March 2005 06:16:19 [ permanent link ]
Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in news:9972$4234f2a9$8b373ed7$31079@ALLTEL.NET:
Matthew Hennig wrote:>> James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote in>> news:Xns9618C0189F8AFjaschrumpfadelphiane@216.196.97.142: >>
By Youssef M. Ibrahim>>>Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page B01>>>
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates >>>
"Listen to the conversations in the cafes on the edge of the creek>>>that runs through this Persian Gulf city, and it is hard to believe>>>that the George W. Bush being praised by Arab diners is the same>>>George W. Bush who has been widely excoriated in these parts ever>>>since he took office. >>>
"Nowadays, intellectuals, businessmen and working-class people alike>>>can be caught lauding Bush's hard-edged posture on democracy and>>>cheering his handling of Arab rulers who are U.S. allies.">>>
"'His talk about democracy is good,' an Egyptian-born woman was>>>telling companions at the Fatafeet (or "Crumbs") restaurant the other>>>night, exuberant enough for her voice to carry to neighboring tables.>>>'He keeps hitting this nail. That's good, by God, isn't it?' At>>>another table, a Lebanese man was waxing enthusiastic over Bush's>>>blunt and irreverent manner toward Arab autocrats. 'It is good to>>>light a fire under their feet,' he said.">>>
* * *>>>
Maybe the tide _is_turning over there.>>
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO>> WMDS??!!?!?!?!????? >>
Bush is a liar and there were no WMDs.
I knew I could count on you, Jeffrey!
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
James Schrumpf 14 March 2005 06:21:07 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>? Shaken, or stirred?
Matthew Hennig wrote:>> James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote in>> news:Xns9618C0189F8AFjaschrumpfadelphiane@216.196.97.142: >>
By Youssef M. Ibrahim>>>Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page B01>>>
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates >>>
"Listen to the conversations in the cafes on the edge of the creek>>>that runs through this Persian Gulf city, and it is hard to believe>>>that the George W. Bush being praised by Arab diners is the same>>>George W. Bush who has been widely excoriated in these parts ever>>>since he took office. >>>
"Nowadays, intellectuals, businessmen and working-class people alike>>>can be caught lauding Bush's hard-edged posture on democracy and>>>cheering his handling of Arab rulers who are U.S. allies.">>>
"'His talk about democracy is good,' an Egyptian-born woman was>>>telling companions at the Fatafeet (or "Crumbs") restaurant the other>>>night, exuberant enough for her voice to carry to neighboring tables.>>>'He keeps hitting this nail. That's good, by God, isn't it?' At>>>another table, a Lebanese man was waxing enthusiastic over Bush's>>>blunt and irreverent manner toward Arab autocrats. 'It is good to>>>light a fire under their feet,' he said.">>>
* * *>>>
Maybe the tide _is_turning over there.>>
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO>> WMDS??!!?!?!?!????? >>
Bush is a liar and there were no WMDs.>
But see, they don't know this.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
James Schrumpf 14 March 2005 06:22:41 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>? Shaken, or stirred?
Matthew Hennig wrote:>
Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in>> news:9972$4234f2a9$8b373ed7$31079@ALLTEL.NET: >>
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>>
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO>>>>WMDS??!!?!?!?!????? >>>>
Bush is a liar and there were no WMDs.>>
I knew I could count on you, Jeffrey!>>
First, do no harm. Just a reminder.>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
By Youssef M. Ibrahim>>>>Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page B01>>>>
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates >>>>
"Listen to the conversations in the cafes on the edge of the creek>>>>that runs through this Persian Gulf city, and it is hard to believe>>>>that the George W. Bush being praised by Arab diners is the same>>>>George W. Bush who has been widely excoriated in these parts ever>>>>since he took office. >>>>
"Nowadays, intellectuals, businessmen and working-class people alike>>>>can be caught lauding Bush's hard-edged posture on democracy and>>>>cheering his handling of Arab rulers who are U.S. allies.">>>>
"'His talk about democracy is good,' an Egyptian-born woman was>>>>telling companions at the Fatafeet (or "Crumbs") restaurant the other>>>>night, exuberant enough for her voice to carry to neighboring tables.>>>>'He keeps hitting this nail. That's good, by God, isn't it?' At>>>>another table, a Lebanese man was waxing enthusiastic over Bush's>>>>blunt and irreverent manner toward Arab autocrats. 'It is good to>>>>light a fire under their feet,' he said.">>>>
* * *>>>>
Maybe the tide _is_turning over there.>>>
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO>>>WMDS??!!?!?!?!????? >>>
James Schrumpf 14 March 2005 07:18:27 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>? Shaken, or stirred?
James Schrumpf wrote:>
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Jeffrey Davis>> <res099c9@alltel.net>? Shaken, or stirred?>>
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>>
Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in>>>>news:9972$4234f2a9$8b373ed7$31079@ALLTEL.NET: >>>>
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>>>>
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO>>>>>>WMDS??!!?!?!?!????? >>>>>>
Bush is a liar and there were no WMDs.>>>>
I knew I could count on you, Jeffrey!>>>>
First, do no harm. Just a reminder.>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >> kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>
A surgeon does harm when he supports a lying thug who leads us into > optional wars.>
Blah, blah, blah. Take it up with FDR's ghost.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
James Schrumpf 14 March 2005 09:05:25 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. swq22@yahoo.com? Shaken, or stirred?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf> <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that> he needs to cut out ?>
That's not the point: the statement was "First, do no harm."
So the question then was, "Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?"
We're not discussing the motivation of the surgeon.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
Trent Woodruff 14 March 2005 09:18:18 [ permanent link ]
Jeffrey Davis was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>>Matthew Hennig wrote:>>> Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in>>>>Matthew Hennig wrote:
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO>>>>WMDS??!!?!?!?!?????
Bush is a liar and there were no WMDs.
I knew I could count on you, Jeffrey!
First, do no harm. Just a reminder.
This message brought to you from the Wiccans for Democracy Consortium.
Trent Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger
...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.
James Schrumpf 14 March 2005 09:22:09 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>? Shaken, or stirred?
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in> news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that>> he needs to cut out ?>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates> cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it to> pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the> initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean the> surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards> cancer? >
TH3 SURG3ON LI3D BE(AUS3 TH3R3 WAS NO (ANC3R!!!11!
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
Matthew Hennig 14 March 2005 09:29:24 [ permanent link ]
James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote in news:Xns96193CB58869jaschrumpfadelphiane@216.196.97.142:
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Matthew Hennig><matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>? Shaken, or stirred? >
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>> news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that>>> he needs to cut out ?>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>> cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it to>> pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>> initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean the>> surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>> cancer? >>
TH3 SURG3ON LI3D BE(AUS3 TH3R3 WAS NO (ANC3R!!!11!
It was all Karl Rove's fault, though.
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com>.
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, James> Schrumpf: >> How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Jeffrey Davis>> <res099c9@alltel.net>? Shaken, or stirred?>
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>>
Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in>>>> news:9972$4234f2a9$8b373ed7$31079@ALLTEL.NET: >>>>
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>>
DONT TH3Y KNOW TAHT BUSH IS A LIAR AND THEYRE WAR3 NO>>>>>>WMDS??!!?!?!?!????? >>>>>>
Bush is a liar and there were no WMDs.>>>>
I knew I could count on you, Jeffrey!>>>
First, do no harm. Just a reminder.>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >> kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>
He kills a helluva lot more cells than your average abortion> does.
That's pretty funny right there.
About how many cells does a surgeon kill when he cuts you open before replacing your kidney/liver/whatever? About how many cells are killed in your average abortion? Or are you just utterly making stuff up?
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com:>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that>> he needs to cut out ?>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates cancer. > The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it to pathology. > On occasion there's no cancer found even though the initial biopsies were > highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean the surgeon lied because all > information before him pointed towards cancer?
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of Kentucky fan?
Matthew Hennig 14 March 2005 16:44:20 [ permanent link ]
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30:
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>> news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that>>> he needs to cut out ?>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>> cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>> to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>> initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>> the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>> cancer? >
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other> indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive> methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open the> patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of> Kentucky fan?
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. What's it going to be?
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in> news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that>>>>he needs to cut out ?>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>cancer? >>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open the>>patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>Kentucky fan? >
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you have > a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its present, > you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the worst that > happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded operation. If you > don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. What's it going to be?>
Of course, for sturgeons, if they say their biopsies showed cancer and it didn't, and the biopsy was just a scare tactic to drum up sturgeon business, well, the local medical board would find things a little fishy and [more, unimaginable dreadful medico-nautical metaphors].
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in> news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>> news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that>>>> he needs to cut out ?>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>> cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>> to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>> initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>> the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>> cancer? >>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>> indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>> methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open the>> patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>> Kentucky fan? >
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you have > a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its present, > you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the worst that > happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded operation. If you > don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. What's it going to be?
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?
Matthew Hennig 14 March 2005 17:03:28 [ permanent link ]
Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in news:73524$42358824$8b373ed7$16318@ALLTEL.NET:
Matthew Hennig wrote:>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>> news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your>>>>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>>to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>>initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>>the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>>cancer? >>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open the>>>patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>>Kentucky fan? >>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>> have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its>> present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the>> worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>> operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. >> What's it going to be? >>
Of course, for sturgeons, if they say their biopsies showed cancer and> it didn't, and the biopsy was just a scare tactic to drum up sturgeon > business, well, the local medical board would find things a little> fishy and [more, unimaginable dreadful medico-nautical metaphors].
Except the biopsies are usually done by other people and then interpreted by other people. The surgeon gets called in usually after the biopsy or other data points at cancer that is only curable with resection.
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Matthew Hennig 14 March 2005 17:04:24 [ permanent link ]
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30:
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, > Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>> news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>> news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your>>>>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>> that he needs to cut out ?>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>> cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>> to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>> initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>> the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>> cancer? >>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>> indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>> methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>> the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>> Kentucky fan? >>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>> have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its>> present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the>> worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>> operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. >> What's it going to be? >
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that > happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Matthew Hennig wrote:> Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in> news:73524$42358824$8b373ed7$16318@ALLTEL.NET: >
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your>>>>>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>>>to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>>>initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>>>the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>>>cancer? >>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open the>>>>patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>>>Kentucky fan? >>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>>>have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its>>>present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the>>>worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>>>operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. >>>What's it going to be? >>>
Of course, for sturgeons, if they say their biopsies showed cancer and>>it didn't, and the biopsy was just a scare tactic to drum up sturgeon >>business, well, the local medical board would find things a little>>fishy and [more, unimaginable dreadful medico-nautical metaphors].>
Except the biopsies are usually done by other people and then interpreted > by other people. The surgeon gets called in usually after the biopsy or > other data points at cancer that is only curable with resection.
You see that's where things are really fishy. The sturgeons and the biopsy people are all directed by the same pod. And it's definitely not the one true pod. And the patient was busy getting a second opinion and those biopsies all came back negative.
And its not like these sturgeons haven't swum in murky water before. Or since.
Like the time they told the little urchin that they'd cut him to bits if he told the true cost of a little side-sturgeon business.
It turns out that when it comes to the winds of freedom blowing, a lot of Iraqis are wondering why the hell they risked their lives voting 6 weeks ago: 6 weeks and still no sign of a government.
Imagine, someone not being content with symbolic gestures.
Meanwhile, construction proceeds apace on American bases in Iraq. I guess you promote yourself with the empty gestures you have not with the empty gestures you might want to have.
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in> news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, >> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>> news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>> news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your>>>>>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>> that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>> cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>>> to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>>> initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>>> the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>>> cancer? >>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>> indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>> methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>>> the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>>> Kentucky fan? >>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>>> have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its>>> present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the>>> worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>>> operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. >>> What's it going to be? >>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that >> happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the> trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the invasion equally unsettling.
By Youssef M. Ibrahim> Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page B01>
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates >
"Listen to the conversations in the cafes on the edge of the creek that > runs through this Persian Gulf city, and it is hard to believe that the > George W. Bush being praised by Arab diners is the same George W. Bush who > has been widely excoriated in these parts ever since he took office.>
"Nowadays, intellectuals, businessmen and working-class people alike can be > caught lauding Bush's hard-edged posture on democracy and cheering his > handling of Arab rulers who are U.S. allies.">
"'His talk about democracy is good,' an Egyptian-born woman was telling > companions at the Fatafeet (or "Crumbs") restaurant the other night, > exuberant enough for her voice to carry to neighboring tables. 'He keeps > hitting this nail. That's good, by God, isn't it?' At another table, a > Lebanese man was waxing enthusiastic over Bush's blunt and irreverent > manner toward Arab autocrats. 'It is good to light a fire under their > feet,' he said.">
* * *>
Maybe the tide _is_turning over there.
It may well continue to do so, at least until they discover that it's a scam carried out on behalf of a handful of multinational corporations that stand to profit from their "democratic markets."
-- Trev
"Every Democratic Senator is to the right of Kerry..including Kucinich." - C. Beauchamp
Eggman wrote:> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>. >
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, >>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your>>>>>>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>>>>to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>>>>initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>>>>the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>>>>cancer? >>>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>>>>the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>>>>Kentucky fan? >>>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>>>>have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its>>>>present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the>>>>worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>>>>operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. >>>>What's it going to be? >>>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that >>>happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the>>trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way Bush> handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are utterly> unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the invasion> equally unsettling.
"The Commission for Africa set up by the British prime minister, Tony Blair, has released its long-awaited report. It contains some good ideas on what rich countries can do to help the continent. But Africa will remain poor until its own people tackle corruption and poor governance"
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Need help? We can spend $200bn and kill 10s to 100s of thousands of people for Iraq, but Africa? It "will remain poor until its own people tackle corruption and poor governance."
Gosh. Good thing Iraq was in line first. It sort of makes you think that maybe our policy might have had something else on its beady little brain.
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in> news:Xns961968F864C60eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>. >>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>> news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, >>>> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>> news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna>>>>>> go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>>> news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing>>>>>>>>>your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>>> that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>>> cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends>>>>>>> it to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though>>>>>>> the initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that>>>>>>> mean the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed>>>>>>> towards cancer? >>>>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>>> indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>>> methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>>>>> the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University>>>>>> of Kentucky fan? >>>>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>>>>> have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show>>>>> its present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong,>>>>> the worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>>>>> operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead.>>>>> What's it going to be? >>>>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that >>>> happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>>>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the>>> trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.>>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way>> Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are>> utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of>> the invasion equally unsettling. >
Seeing as I don't think Bush lied, I don't see the issue. WMDs were not> the only reason for the lead-up to Iraq. Yes, it was the most> publicised one, and yes that probably should have been done differently,> but it wasn't lying. Was the intelligence wrong, most likely it was. > Hindsight is 20/20.
Yes. This is a good description of what's unsettling.
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, deemsbill@aol.com.
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way> Bush>> handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are> utterly>> unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the> invasion>> equally unsettling.>>
Eggman>
That's because you're obviously a limp-wristed, panty-waisted,> fence-sitting, no-principled moderate liberservative.
Someday the Mustard Party will take its rightful place at the head of the power structure in our American democracy. And on that glorious day limip- wristed, panty-waisted, fence-sitting, no-principled moderate liberservatives will rsfckin' ROOL.
Eggman wrote:> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,> deemsbill@aol.com.>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the
Bush> >> handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are> > utterly> >> unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the> > invasion> >> equally unsettling.> >>
Eggman> >
That's because you're obviously a limp-wristed, panty-waisted,> > fence-sitting, no-principled moderate liberservative.>
Someday the Mustard Party will take its rightful place at the head of
power structure in our American democracy. And on that glorious day
limip-> wristed, panty-waisted, fence-sitting, no-principled moderate liberservatives> will rsfckin' ROOL.>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>.
Eggman wrote:>> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>. >>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, >>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing>>>>>>>>>your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>>>>>to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>>>>>initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>>>>>the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>>>>>cancer? >>>>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>>>>>the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>>>>>Kentucky fan? >>>>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>>>>>have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its>>>>>present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the>>>>>worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>>>>>operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. >>>>>What's it going to be? >>>>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that >>>>happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>>>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the>>>trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.>>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way>> Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are>> utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the>> invasion equally unsettling. >
Saddam's out of power. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh.>
Satisfied?
And the opportunity for proletariat-friendly reform in that region seems significantly greater than before. <add usual caveats about potential here>
"The Commission for Africa set up by the British prime minister, Tony > Blair, has released its long-awaited report. It contains some good ideas> on what rich countries can do to help the continent. But Africa will > remain poor until its own people tackle corruption and poor governance">
*********************************>
Need help? We can spend $200bn and kill 10s to 100s of thousands of > people for Iraq, but Africa? It "will remain poor until its own people > tackle corruption and poor governance.">
Gosh. Good thing Iraq was in line first. It sort of makes you think that> maybe our policy might have had something else on its beady little> brain.
I don't quite follow. While I don't think Bush was overly concerned with Iraq's WMDs (ergo, why I didn't vote for him), I do think he saw America's national security interests tied in with what he did in Iraq. That doesn't apply to Africa.
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?
Eggman wrote:> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,> Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>. >
Eggman wrote:>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>. >>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, >>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>>news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing>>>>>>>>>>your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>>>>>>to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>>>>>>initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>>>>>>the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>>>>>>cancer? >>>>>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>>>>>>the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>>>>>>Kentucky fan? >>>>>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>>>>>>have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its>>>>>>present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the>>>>>>worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>>>>>>operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. >>>>>>What's it going to be? >>>>>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that >>>>>happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>>>>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the>>>>trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.>>>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way>>>Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are>>>utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the>>>invasion equally unsettling. >>
Saddam's out of power. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh.>>
Satisfied?>
And the opportunity for proletariat-friendly reform in that region seems> significantly greater than before. <add usual caveats about potential> here> >
"The Commission for Africa set up by the British prime minister, Tony >>Blair, has released its long-awaited report. It contains some good ideas>>on what rich countries can do to help the continent. But Africa will >>remain poor until its own people tackle corruption and poor governance">>
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Need help? We can spend $200bn and kill 10s to 100s of thousands of >>people for Iraq, but Africa? It "will remain poor until its own people >>tackle corruption and poor governance.">>
Gosh. Good thing Iraq was in line first. It sort of makes you think that>>maybe our policy might have had something else on its beady little>>brain. >
I don't quite follow. While I don't think Bush was overly concerned with> Iraq's WMDs (ergo, why I didn't vote for him), I do think he saw America's> national security interests tied in with what he did in Iraq. That> doesn't apply to Africa. >
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs. So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500 lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous number of Iraqi lives.)
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael Moore/UNOCAL pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious motive behind the invasion. Har har.
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>.
Eggman wrote:>> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>> Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>. >>
Eggman wrote:>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>. >>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, >>>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>>>news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna>>>>>>>>go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing>>>>>>>>>>>your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends>>>>>>>>>it to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though>>>>>>>>>the initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that>>>>>>>>>mean the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed>>>>>>>>>towards cancer? >>>>>>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>>>>>>>the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University>>>>>>>>of Kentucky fan? >>>>>>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>>>>>>>have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show>>>>>>>its present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong,>>>>>>>the worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>>>>>>>operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead.>>>>>>>What's it going to be? >>>>>>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that >>>>>>happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>>>>>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the>>>>>trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.>>>>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way>>>>Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are>>>>utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of>>>>the invasion equally unsettling. >>>
Saddam's out of power. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh.>>>
Satisfied?>>
And the opportunity for proletariat-friendly reform in that region>> seems significantly greater than before. <add usual caveats about>> potential here> >>
"The Commission for Africa set up by the British prime minister, Tony >>>Blair, has released its long-awaited report. It contains some good>>>ideas on what rich countries can do to help the continent. But Africa>>>will remain poor until its own people tackle corruption and poor>>>governance" >>>
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Need help? We can spend $200bn and kill 10s to 100s of thousands of >>>people for Iraq, but Africa? It "will remain poor until its own people >>>tackle corruption and poor governance.">>>
Gosh. Good thing Iraq was in line first. It sort of makes you think>>>that maybe our policy might have had something else on its beady little>>>brain. >>
I don't quite follow. While I don't think Bush was overly concerned>> with Iraq's WMDs (ergo, why I didn't vote for him), I do think he saw>> America's national security interests tied in with what he did in Iraq.>> That doesn't apply to Africa. >>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs. So, > how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500 lives and > thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous number of Iraqi> lives.)>
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael Moore/UNOCAL > pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious motive behind the > invasion. Har har.
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into Iraq was if it was in no way national security related. So just tell me already. But if your answer is "cheap oil" then I'm gonna scoff. That's all.
Trevor Zion Bauknight 15 March 2005 00:03:02 [ permanent link ]
In article <Xns961988A59565Ceggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>, Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs. So, > > how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500 lives and > > thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous number of Iraqi> > lives.)> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael Moore/UNOCAL > > pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious motive behind the > > invasion. Har har.>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into Iraq was> if it was in no way national security related. So just tell me already.
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that question that doesn't square with what you already believe.
-- Trev
"Every Democratic Senator is to the right of Kerry..including Kucinich." - C. Beauchamp
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu>.
In article <Xns961988A59565Ceggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>,> Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs. So, >> > how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500 lives and >> > thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous number of Iraqi>> > lives.)>> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael Moore/UNOCAL >> > pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious motive behind the >> > invasion. Har har.>>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into Iraq was>> if it was in no way national security related. So just tell me already.>
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that question > that doesn't square with what you already believe.
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're driving at.
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Eggman:> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Trevor > Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu>.
In article <Xns961988A59565Ceggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>,>> Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:>>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>>> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs. So, >>> > how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500 lives and >>> > thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous number of Iraqi>>> > lives.)>>> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael Moore/UNOCAL >>> > pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious motive behind the >>> > invasion. Har har.>>>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into Iraq was>>> if it was in no way national security related. So just tell me already.>>
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that question >> that doesn't square with what you already believe.
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're driving > at.
You don't believe it exists, or you don't believe it's the big bogeyman?
rich -- -to reply, it's hot not warm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ \ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett / "Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world; \ than the pride that divides / when a colorful rag is unfurled."
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com>.
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Eggman:>> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>> Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu>.>
In article <Xns961988A59565Ceggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>,>>> Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:>>>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>>>> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs.>>>> > So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500>>>> > lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous>>>> > number of Iraqi lives.)>>>> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael Moore/UNOCAL>>>> > pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious motive behind>>>> > the invasion. Har har.>>>>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into>>>> Iraq was if it was in no way national security related. So just tell>>>> me already. >>>
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that question >>> that doesn't square with what you already believe.>
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're>> driving at.>
You don't believe it exists, or you don't believe it's the> big bogeyman?
I don't believe it secretly runs the world. And just to be clear, I don't believe it overtly runs the world either.
Matthew Hennig 15 March 2005 03:13:42 [ permanent link ]
Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in news:5266e$4235cd3a$80a32844$3680@ALLTEL.NET:
Eggman wrote:>> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>> Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>. >>
Eggman wrote:>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>. >>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna>>>>>>go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>>>news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna>>>>>>>>go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing>>>>>>>>>>>your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous>>>>>>>>>>growth that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and>>>>>>>>>sends it to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found>>>>>>>>>even though the initial biopsies were highly indicative of>>>>>>>>>cancer. Does that mean the surgeon lied because all>>>>>>>>>information before him pointed towards cancer? >>>>>>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to>>>>>>>>open the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big>>>>>>>>University of Kentucky fan? >>>>>>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If>>>>>>>you have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications>>>>>>>show its present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're>>>>>>>wrong, the worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an>>>>>>>unneeded operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer,>>>>>>>you're dead. What's it going to be? >>>>>>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst>>>>>>that happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>>>>>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the>>>>>trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.>>>>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the>>>>way Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people>>>>are utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results>>>>of the invasion equally unsettling. >>>
Saddam's out of power. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh.>>>
Satisfied?>>
And the opportunity for proletariat-friendly reform in that region>> seems significantly greater than before. <add usual caveats about>> potential here> >>
"The Commission for Africa set up by the British prime minister, Tony>>>Blair, has released its long-awaited report. It contains some good>>>ideas on what rich countries can do to help the continent. But Africa>>>will remain poor until its own people tackle corruption and poor>>>governance" >>>
*********************************>>>
Need help? We can spend $200bn and kill 10s to 100s of thousands of >>>people for Iraq, but Africa? It "will remain poor until its own>>>people tackle corruption and poor governance.">>>
Gosh. Good thing Iraq was in line first. It sort of makes you think>>>that maybe our policy might have had something else on its beady>>>little brain. >>
I don't quite follow. While I don't think Bush was overly concerned>> with Iraq's WMDs (ergo, why I didn't vote for him), I do think he saw>> America's national security interests tied in with what he did in>> Iraq. That doesn't apply to Africa. >>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs. So,> how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500 lives and> thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous number of> Iraqi lives.)
A) He never claimed Iraq was behind 9/11 B) Intelligence data from both the US and other countries said he did.
While any deaths are unfortunate, given the mission and what has been accomplished, thats way below any expectations. And now look at some of the things that are happening around the Middle East. Let's play 'What If' here. What if democracy begins to spread across the Middle East and the War in Iraq was one of the major contributors to that end, would you think that the men who sacrificed their lives would have sacrificed their lives in vain? Having a peaceful and secure Middle East *IS* in our national interests. Holding dictators accountable to the terms of a ceasefire *IS* in our national interests. But you can't seem to see past that you think Bush lied. It's sad in a way.
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Trent Woodruff 15 March 2005 03:23:06 [ permanent link ]
swq22@yahoo.com was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>>On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:05:25 -0600, James Schrumpf
That's not the point: the statement was "First, do no harm.">>So the question then was, "Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open >>before replacing your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?"
If he kills 1500 nurses in the process ?
You're not really interested in giving a straight answer, are you?
Trent Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger
...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.
Trent Woodruff 15 March 2005 03:25:18 [ permanent link ]
Eggman was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way Bush>handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are utterly>unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the invasion>equally unsettling.
Amen!
Trent Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger
...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.
Trevor Zion Bauknight 15 March 2005 03:29:34 [ permanent link ]
In article <Xns9619B964DCF9Dmatthaggiescom@216.196.97.136>, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs. So,> > how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500 lives and> > thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous number of> > Iraqi lives.)>
A) He never claimed Iraq was behind 9/11
He mentioned them in the same sentence often enough, and strung together what I suppose you to believe unrelated claims, in such a way that a large percentage of Americans believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of commission...there's no way you can deny that the Iraq War Marketing Effort was directly tied to 9/11. None.
-- Trev
"Every Democratic Senator is to the right of Kerry..including Kucinich." - C. Beauchamp
Trevor Zion Bauknight 15 March 2005 03:31:46 [ permanent link ]
In article <Xns9619A35857B32eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>, Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?> >> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs. So, > >> > how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500 lives and > >> > thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous number of Iraqi> >> > lives.)> >> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael Moore/UNOCAL > >> > pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious motive behind the > >> > invasion. Har har.> >>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into Iraq was> >> if it was in no way national security related. So just tell me already.> >
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that question > > that doesn't square with what you already believe.>
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're driving > at.
Matthew Hennig 15 March 2005 03:36:17 [ permanent link ]
Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu> wrote in news:trev-26D7E2.18293414032005@individual.net:
In article <Xns9619B964DCF9Dmatthaggiescom@216.196.97.136>,> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs.>> > So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500>> > lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous>> > number of Iraqi lives.)>>
A) He never claimed Iraq was behind 9/11>
He mentioned them in the same sentence often enough, and strung> together what I suppose you to believe unrelated claims, in such a way> that a large percentage of Americans believe that Iraq had something> to do with 9/11. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of> commission...there's no way you can deny that the Iraq War Marketing> Effort was directly tied to 9/11. None.
Iraq and 9/11 are related, yes. This does not mean that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack. Iraq was involved in terrorism, though, and in the overall view, that does related to the terrorism attacks on 9/11. That is how they are related. Saddam had the strong potential of weapons proliferation and support for various terrorist groups and in fact did give sanctuary to some terrorists both individually and as groups. Couple that with the hostility towards the US and the flaunting of the ceasefire agreement and there was a situation that the status quo wasn't going to handle. Add to that the discovered Oil-for-Food scandal, and it was obvious that sanctions weren't working.
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu>.
In article <Xns9619A35857B32eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>,> Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>> >> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs.>> >> > So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500>> >> > lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous>> >> > number of Iraqi lives.)>> >> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael>> >> > Moore/UNOCAL pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious>> >> > motive behind the invasion. Har har.>> >>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into>> >> Iraq was if it was in no way national security related. So just>> >> tell me already. >> >
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that question>> > that doesn't square with what you already believe.>>
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're>> driving at.>
James Schrumpf 15 March 2005 06:53:28 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Eggman <eggman@iname.com>? Shaken, or stirred?
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,> Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu>. >
In article <Xns9619A35857B32eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>,>> Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:>>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>>> >> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no>>> >> > WMDs. So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq>>> >> > worth +1500 lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to>>> >> > mention the humongous number of Iraqi lives.)>>> >> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael>>> >> > Moore/UNOCAL pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a>>> >> > perfidious motive behind the invasion. Har har.>>> >>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into>>> >> Iraq was if it was in no way national security related. So just>>> >> tell me already. >>> >
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that>>> > question that doesn't square with what you already believe.>>>
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're>>> driving at.>>
I don't believe any secret, omnipotent organization that publishes its> plans on the internets.>
Eggman>
They knew you'd think that; that's why it's such a brilliant plan: hide in plain sight!
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Trent Woodruff:>>Eggman was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way Bush>>handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are utterly>>unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the invasion>>equally unsettling.
Amen!
I'm frustrated by the dishonest build-up to the war when a good legitimate case could have been made.
I'm frustrated by the poor political planning with our allies before the war.
I'm frustrated by the poor military and political planning for the aftermath of war.
I'm most frustrated that none of the above were made as potentially close judgement calls (although I think the decision whether or not to go to war in Iraq was such a judgement call), but were made each and every time in the face of overwhelming evidence and predictions of experts, and apparently each time for immediate political reasons.
If you want to continue the metaphor here, we went in for elective surgery (against the patient's will), and we're now killing him with opportunistic infections that we failed to prepare for.
There is the POTENTIAL for good, but I haven't seen much evidence that it will be followed through. We've abandoned Afghanistan to continue being a hell-hole, now we're creating a hell-hole out of Iraq. I think the only way you can be truly optimistic about the current situation is to be completely ignorant of the history and current religious and political trends in the region.
rich -- -to reply, it's hot not warm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ \ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett / "Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world; \ than the pride that divides / when a colorful rag is unfurled."
Yeah, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>, well... that's just like... your opinion man.
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com:>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that>> he needs to cut out ?>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates cancer. >The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it to pathology. >On occasion there's no cancer found even though the initial biopsies were >highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean the surgeon lied because all >information before him pointed towards cancer?
HITLERENNIG LIED!!!111!! AND PATIENTS DIED!!`1~!!!!
John Rogers AU Class of 1985 The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
"Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in Heaven - Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and Principalities, Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it is in the Navy. You have come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother."
Yeah, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>, well... that's just like... your opinion man.
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com:>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your >>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth that>> he needs to cut out ?>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates cancer. >The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it to pathology. >On occasion there's no cancer found even though the initial biopsies were >highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean the surgeon lied because all >information before him pointed towards cancer?
NO MORE BLOOD FOR... ummmmm... BLOOD!!!11!!!!11!!!
John Rogers AU Class of 1985 The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
"Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in Heaven - Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and Principalities, Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it is in the Navy. You have come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother."
Yeah, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>, well... that's just like... your opinion man.
Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net> wrote in>news:73524$42358824$8b373ed7$16318@ALLTEL.NET: >
Matthew Hennig wrote:>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>> news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing your>>>>>>>kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends it>>>>>to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even though the>>>>>initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. Does that mean>>>>>the surgeon lied because all information before him pointed towards>>>>>cancer? >>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open the>>>>patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University of>>>>Kentucky fan? >>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If you>>> have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications show its>>> present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're wrong, the>>> worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an unneeded>>> operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer, you're dead. >>> What's it going to be? >>>
Of course, for sturgeons, if they say their biopsies showed cancer and>> it didn't, and the biopsy was just a scare tactic to drum up sturgeon >> business, well, the local medical board would find things a little>> fishy and [more, unimaginable dreadful medico-nautical metaphors].>
Except the biopsies are usually done by other people and then interpreted >by other people. The surgeon gets called in usually after the biopsy or >other data points at cancer that is only curable with resection.
The whole damb hospital thought it was cancer.
BUT THE STURGEON LIED!!!
John Rogers AU Class of 1985 The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
"Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in Heaven - Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and Principalities, Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it is in the Navy. You have come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother."
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet>.
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Eggman <eggman@iname.com>? Shaken,> or stirred? >
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>> Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu>. >>
In article <Xns9619A35857B32eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>,>>> Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:>>>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>>>> >> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no>>>> >> > WMDs. So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq>>>> >> > worth +1500 lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to>>>> >> > mention the humongous number of Iraqi lives.)>>>> >> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael>>>> >> > Moore/UNOCAL pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a>>>> >> > perfidious motive behind the invasion. Har har.>>>> >>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into>>>> >> Iraq was if it was in no way national security related. So just>>>> >> tell me already. >>>> >
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that>>>> > question that doesn't square with what you already believe.>>>>
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're>>>> driving at.>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com>.
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Trent> Woodruff: >>>Eggman was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the way>>>Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people are>>>utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results of the>>>invasion equally unsettling. >
Amen!>
I'm frustrated by the dishonest build-up to the war when a> good legitimate case could have been made.
Yes.
I'm frustrated by the poor political planning with our> allies before the war.
Yes.
I'm frustrated by the poor military and political planning> for the aftermath of war.
I'm not agreeing with the "military" part until I'm sure what you mean, but outside of that, yes.
I'm most frustrated that none of the above were made as> potentially close judgement calls (although I think> the decision whether or not to go to war in Iraq was> such a judgement call),
Yes.
but were made each and every time> in the face of overwhelming evidence and predictions of> experts, and apparently each time for immediate> political reasons.
I don't know about "overwhelming" evidence.
If you want to continue the metaphor here, we went in for> elective surgery (against the patient's will), and we're> now killing him with opportunistic infections that we> failed to prepare for.
You're losing me.
There is the POTENTIAL for good, but I haven't seen much> evidence that it will be followed through. We've abandoned> Afghanistan to continue being a hell-hole, now we're> creating a hell-hole out of Iraq. I think the only way> you can be truly optimistic about the current situation> is to be completely ignorant of the history and current> religious and political trends in the region.
Trevor Zion Bauknight 15 March 2005 18:57:03 [ permanent link ]
In article <Xns9619BD3962B26matthaggiescom@216.196.97.136>, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs.> >> > So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500> >> > lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous> >> > number of Iraqi lives.)> >>
A) He never claimed Iraq was behind 9/11> >
He mentioned them in the same sentence often enough, and strung> > together what I suppose you to believe unrelated claims, in such a way> > that a large percentage of Americans believe that Iraq had something> > to do with 9/11. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of> > commission...there's no way you can deny that the Iraq War Marketing> > Effort was directly tied to 9/11. None.>
Iraq and 9/11 are related, yes. This does not mean that Iraq was> involved in the 9/11 attack. Iraq was involved in terrorism, though,> and in the overall view, that does related to the terrorism attacks on> 9/11. That is how they are related. Saddam had the strong potential of> weapons proliferation and support for various terrorist groups and in> fact did give sanctuary to some terrorists both individually and as> groups. Couple that with the hostility towards the US and the flaunting> of the ceasefire agreement and there was a situation that the status quo> wasn't going to handle. Add to that the discovered Oil-for-Food> scandal, and it was obvious that sanctions weren't working.
Uh-oh. Looks like you've got the Master List of reasons for the invasion of Iraq. My plans here are scuttled.
Your convoluted rationalization of the "connection" between Iraq and 9/11 notwithstanding, the average American who believed there was a connection simply did so because the president all but said so explicitly. It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.
-- Trev
"Every Democratic Senator is to the right of Kerry..including Kucinich." - C. Beauchamp
Trevor Zion Bauknight 15 March 2005 18:57:30 [ permanent link ]
In article <Xns9619DB660F411eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>, Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?> >> >> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no WMDs.> >> >> > So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth +1500> >> >> > lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the humongous> >> >> > number of Iraqi lives.)> >> >> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael> >> >> > Moore/UNOCAL pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a perfidious> >> >> > motive behind the invasion. Har har.> >> >>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into> >> >> Iraq was if it was in no way national security related. So just> >> >> tell me already. > >> >
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that question> >> > that doesn't square with what you already believe.> >>
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're> >> driving at.> >
Trevor Zion Bauknight 15 March 2005 18:59:12 [ permanent link ]
In article <Xns9619BDD207ACAjfurrfurrsorg@216.168.3.44>, "Joel K. 'Jay' Furr" <jfurr-nospam@nospam-furrs.org> wrote:
He mentioned them in the same sentence often enough, and strung together > > what I suppose you to believe unrelated claims, in such a way that a > > large percentage of Americans believe that Iraq had something to do with > > 9/11. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of commission...there's > > no way you can deny that the Iraq War Marketing Effort was directly tied > > to 9/11. None.>
It's times like these that remind me of Wade Boggs' immortal wisdom: > "There's hits in chicken."
Thanks?
-- Trev
"Every Democratic Senator is to the right of Kerry..including Kucinich." - C. Beauchamp
PrinceGunter wrote:> > Kinda like all those "Arab street" articles predicting the rising-up> > of the Middle East against Amerikkka prior to the war kinda, eh?>
You apparently don't understand the concept of jihad (ad nauseum, ad> infinitum, etc. etc. etc.).
I believe that many Muslims don't understand those concepts, either.
Matthew Hennig 15 March 2005 19:53:57 [ permanent link ]
Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu> wrote in news:trev-1AC918.09570315032005@individual.net:
In article <Xns9619BD3962B26matthaggiescom@216.196.97.136>,> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no>> >> > WMDs. So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq worth>> >> > +1500 lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to mention the>> >> > humongous number of Iraqi lives.)>> >>
A) He never claimed Iraq was behind 9/11>> >
He mentioned them in the same sentence often enough, and strung>> > together what I suppose you to believe unrelated claims, in such a>> > way that a large percentage of Americans believe that Iraq had>> > something to do with 9/11. Lies of omission are just as bad as>> > lies of commission...there's no way you can deny that the Iraq War>> > Marketing Effort was directly tied to 9/11. None.>>
Iraq and 9/11 are related, yes. This does not mean that Iraq was>> involved in the 9/11 attack. Iraq was involved in terrorism, though,>> and in the overall view, that does related to the terrorism attacks>> on 9/11. That is how they are related. Saddam had the strong>> potential of weapons proliferation and support for various terrorist>> groups and in fact did give sanctuary to some terrorists both>> individually and as groups. Couple that with the hostility towards>> the US and the flaunting of the ceasefire agreement and there was a>> situation that the status quo wasn't going to handle. Add to that>> the discovered Oil-for-Food scandal, and it was obvious that>> sanctions weren't working. >
Uh-oh. Looks like you've got the Master List of reasons for the > invasion of Iraq. My plans here are scuttled.
Well, you can read the senate resolution that had over 20 reasons for war.
Your convoluted rationalization of the "connection" between Iraq and > 9/11 notwithstanding, the average American who believed there was a > connection simply did so because the president all but said so > explicitly. It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.
Its not Bush's fault if people want to believe what they want. Bush did not say that Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attack. Until you can give me a cite that says that he did, you have no support for your position.
MH
-- Ten of Spades Aggee Fedayeen Chief Supreme Ruler of the Obvious
"We just got outplayed today. That's the bottom line. And we got outcoached." - OU Head Coach Bob Stoops following the Texas A&M game, Nov 9, 2002
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu>.
In article <Xns9619DB660F411eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30>,> Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote:>
Are you thinking Dubya invaded Iraq for cheap oil?>> >> >> >>
He knew a) Iraq wasn't behind 9/11 and b) that there were no>> >> >> > WMDs. So, how could there be our security interest in Iraq>> >> >> > worth +1500 lives and thousands more casualties? (Not to>> >> >> > mention the humongous number of Iraqi lives.)>> >> >> >
The punch line "Cheap Oil" is supposed to be a Michael>> >> >> > Moore/UNOCAL pre-emptive one to cut off discussion of a>> >> >> > perfidious motive behind the invasion. Har har.>> >> >>
I donut get it. I'm interested in what his motive for going into>> >> >> Iraq was if it was in no way national security related. So just>> >> >> tell me already. >> >> >
I don't think you're at all interested in any answer to that>> >> > question that doesn't square with what you already believe.>> >>
I don't believe in the Trilateral Commission, if that's what you're>> >> driving at.>> >
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Joel K. 'Jay' Furr:> Trevor Zion Bauknight <trev@sc.edu> wrote in news:trev-> CA7B35.09591215032005@individual.net:
It's times like these that remind me of Wade Boggs' immortal wisdom: >>> "There's hits in chicken.">>
Thanks?
I freakin' love chicken. Fried, baked, roasted,
Yum, yum, yum...
in a patty,
Commie.
barbequed,
Commie^2. You can have chicken WITH barbeque. You can even put barbeque sauce on chicken (yum). But barbeque is PULLED PORK.
rich
you > name it.
-- -to reply, it's hot not warm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ \ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett / "Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world; \ than the pride that divides / when a colorful rag is unfurled."
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Joel K. 'Jay' Furr:> rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in news:113ea9139rnkua8> @corp.supernews.com:
barbequed,>>
Commie^2. You can have chicken WITH barbeque. You can even>> put barbeque sauce on chicken (yum). But barbeque is PULLED PORK.>>
I know, d00d. I'm 50% North Carolinian by blood. BBQ is pulled pork. If > it ain't pork, it ain't barbeque. But due to the sloppiness of the Ynglish > language, one can speak of 'barbequed chicken' and mean 'chicken with > barbeque sauce on it'. We often truncate or elide extra words in order to > avoid sounding like a product warning label.
Yeah, and it's MUCH better than people (to be polite I'll call them "yankees") who call anything cooked on the grill "barbeque."
Speaking of which, if we attached a formal Consumer Product Safety > Commission-style product warning label to Jaros, what would it read?
"Not for use by children under 4"
rich -- -to reply, it's hot not warm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ \ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett / "Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world; \ than the pride that divides / when a colorful rag is unfurled."
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Joel K. 'Jay' Furr:> rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote in > news:113ee7np6do965d@corp.supernews.com:
Yeah, and it's MUCH better than people (to be polite I'll call them>> "yankees") who call anything cooked on the grill "barbeque."
IAWTP. I was very confused the first time I went to a cookout and saw them > making hamburgers and hot dogs and sizzling-weasel-on-a-stick
Gopher, Everett?
rich
and calling > it "barbequing".
-- -to reply, it's hot not warm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ \ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett / "Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world; \ than the pride that divides / when a colorful rag is unfurled."
Paranoid Dehumanized Narcissist 24 March 2005 21:25:00 [ permanent link ]
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in news:Xns961973738E0F4eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30:
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,> Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>. >
Eggman wrote:>>> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>. >>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>>news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna>>>>>>>go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing>>>>>>>>>>your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends>>>>>>>>it to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even>>>>>>>>though the initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. >>>>>>>>Does that mean the surgeon lied because all information before>>>>>>>>him pointed towards cancer? >>>>>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>>>>>>the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University>>>>>>>of Kentucky fan? >>>>>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If>>>>>>you have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications>>>>>>show its present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're>>>>>>wrong, the worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an>>>>>>unneeded operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer,>>>>>>you're dead. What's it going to be? >>>>>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that>>>>>happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>>>>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the>>>>trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.>>>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the>>> way Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people>>> are utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results>>> of the invasion equally unsettling. >>
Saddam's out of power. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh.>>
Satisfied?>
And the opportunity for proletariat-friendly reform in that region> seems significantly greater than before. <add usual caveats about> potential here>
I agree that great things might happen. Even if they do, Bush should rot in hell next to LBJ for lying to drag this country into war.
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go, Paranoid Dehumanized Narcissist <are_you_kidding_me@invalid>.
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in> news:Xns961973738E0F4eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>> Jeffrey Davis <res099c9@alltel.net>. >>
Eggman wrote:>>>> Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>. >>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>news:Xns96195147453E0eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna go,>>>>>>Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>
Eggman <eggman@iname.com> wrote in>>>>>>>news:Xns96194873CC336eggmaninamecom@216.168.3.30: >>>>>>>
Attitude and a pointy guitar will take you everywhere you wanna>>>>>>>>go, Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com>.>>>>>>>>
swq22@yahoo.com wrote in>>>>>>>>>news:1g6a31hd6fi6qs0i2dvfngn5gh6tsg7q53@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:22:41 -0600, James Schrumpf>>>>>>>>>><jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>
Does a surgeon do harm when he cuts you open before replacing>>>>>>>>>>>your kidney/liver/whatever and saves your life?>>>>>>>>>>
Does the surgeon before lie about you having a cancerous growth>>>>>>>>>>that he needs to cut out ?>>>>>>>>>
No, the surgeon has a biopsy or other study done that indicates>>>>>>>>>cancer. The surgeon then removes the suspected growth and sends>>>>>>>>>it to pathology. On occasion there's no cancer found even>>>>>>>>>though the initial biopsies were highly indicative of cancer. >>>>>>>>>Does that mean the surgeon lied because all information before>>>>>>>>>him pointed towards cancer? >>>>>>>>
What there were some weak indications of cancer among other>>>>>>>>indications of no cancer, but the doctor eschewed less invasive>>>>>>>>methods of investigation because he really, really wanted to open>>>>>>>>the patient up and brand her uterus because he's a big University>>>>>>>>of Kentucky fan? >>>>>>>
But when it comes to cancer, you don't want to mess around. If>>>>>>>you have a strong suspicion of it being present and indications>>>>>>>show its present, you take it out. If you take it out and you're>>>>>>>wrong, the worst that happened is you subjected the patient to an>>>>>>>unneeded operation. If you don't take it out and it is cancer,>>>>>>>you're dead. What's it going to be? >>>>>>
What if, when the surgeon is wrong about the cancer, the worst that>>>>>>happens is a lot of soldiers get killed, maimed and injured?>>>>>
Well thats what happens with Bushitler lets Halliburton lie and the>>>>>trees were all chopped down and we don't sign Kyoto.>>>>
I find the fact that some people are given no pause at all by the>>>> way Bush handled the lead-up to Iraq and the fact that other people>>>> are utterly unwilling to see anything positive at all in the results>>>> of the invasion equally unsettling. >>>
Saddam's out of power. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhh.>>>
Satisfied?>>
And the opportunity for proletariat-friendly reform in that region>> seems significantly greater than before. <add usual caveats about>> potential here> >
I agree that great things might happen. Even if they do, Bush should rot > in hell next to LBJ for lying to drag this country into war.
That statement makes you the voice of moderation in RSFC2K5.
