John Rogers AU Class of 1985 The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
"Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in Heaven - Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and Principalities, Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it is in the Navy. You have come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother."
If it counts giving to one's church, the religio-freakish Southern states are naturally going to come out on top. I'd be more interested in seeing those numbers without church offerings factored in.
I see from their FAQ page that it counts all charitable deductions. My church offering to FUMC Burlington counts as a charitable deduction, but it's not like it's feeding the hungry and so on. It's paying our pastors' salaries, keeping the heat on, etc.
Not so fast...This is red state vs. blue state, which isn't a proper comparison. Urban areas generally consume the most amount of taxes and produce less. Almost all cities are blue cities. Washington DC is by far the leader in this category, you put DC in the middle of Alabama and Bama would remain red but continue to consume more taxes than it produced.
Furthermore, there aren't too many "blue states" if any, only> "blue cities."
Yes, eg michael moore says the red/blue stuff isn't the best way to characterize it, he calls it urban vs. rural.
-- I do not think the United States would come to an end if we lost our power to declare an Act of Congress void. I do think the Union would be imperiled if we could not make that declaration as to the laws of the several States.
James Schrumpf 11 March 2005 07:18:27 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>? Shaken, or stirred?
Furthermore, there aren't too many "blue states" if any, only>> "blue cities.">
Yes, eg michael moore says the red/blue stuff isn't the best way to> characterize it, he calls it urban vs. rural.>
Agreed. In order to win elections, the Dem/lib faction must abandon the urban oases where they rocked W so mightily and spread out into flyover country. It doesn't do the cause any good to win one electoral district by a 90%-10% margin and lose two by a 55%-45% margin. If the Dems/libs took some of that winning margin and applied it out in the rural areas, they'd win more of those close races.
Now: who all from NYC and SF are ready to volunteer to move to Ottumwa, IA and Chillecothe, OH for the next election?
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Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
James Schrumpf wrote:> How do you prefer your martini, Mr. "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>?> Shaken, or stirred?>
Furthermore, there aren't too many "blue states" if any, only> >> "blue cities."> >
Yes, eg michael moore says the red/blue stuff isn't the best way to> > characterize it, he calls it urban vs. rural.> >
Agreed. In order to win elections, the Dem/lib faction must abandon
urban oases where they rocked W so mightily and spread out into
flyover> country. It doesn't do the cause any good to win one electoral district by> a 90%-10% margin and lose two by a 55%-45% margin. If the Dems/libs took> some of that winning margin and applied it out in the rural areas, they'd> win more of those close races.>
Now: who all from NYC and SF are ready to volunteer to move to
Ottumwa, IA> and Chillecothe, OH for the next election?>
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Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke
lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing
James Schrumpf 11 March 2005 07:28:34 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. deemsbill@aol.com? Shaken, or stirred?
James Schrumpf wrote:>> How do you prefer your martini, Mr. "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>?>> Shaken, or stirred?>>
Furthermore, there aren't too many "blue states" if any, only>> >> "blue cities.">> >
Yes, eg michael moore says the red/blue stuff isn't the best way to>> > characterize it, he calls it urban vs. rural.>> >
Agreed. In order to win elections, the Dem/lib faction must abandon> the>> urban oases where they rocked W so mightily and spread out into> flyover>> country. It doesn't do the cause any good to win one electoral> district by>> a 90%-10% margin and lose two by a 55%-45% margin. If the Dems/libs> took>> some of that winning margin and applied it out in the rural areas,> they'd>> win more of those close races.>>
Now: who all from NYC and SF are ready to volunteer to move to> Ottumwa, IA>> and Chillecothe, OH for the next election?>>
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Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke> up>> lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing> and>> kill it.>> -- Master Shake>
Summer homes?>
No, you gotta be a resident. I don't think summer homes qualify.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 11 March 2005 07:33:08 [ permanent link ]
James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote in news:Xns9615E2F183D2Ajaschrumpfadelphiane@216.196.97.142:
Now: who all from NYC and SF are ready to volunteer to move to> Ottumwa, IA and Chillecothe, OH for the next election?
I've been to both since 2000. Chillicothe at least has Hopewell Culture National Historic Site to visit occasionally, but Ottumwa, as far as I was able to tell, only has meth labs.
I guess I'll take Chillicothe. (It's also not far from my parents-in-law in Dayton and I'm always up for gaslighting them. It's practically my #1 hobby.)
Nevermind the facts, Joel K. 'Jay' Furr, just give me the details!
James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> wrote in> news:Xns9615E2F183D2Ajaschrumpfadelphiane@216.196.97.142: >
Now: who all from NYC and SF are ready to volunteer to move to>> Ottumwa, IA and Chillecothe, OH for the next election?>
I've been to both since 2000. Chillicothe at least has Hopewell> Culture National Historic Site to visit occasionally, but> Ottumwa, as far as I was able to tell, only has meth labs.>
I guess I'll take Chillicothe. (It's also not far from my> parents-in-law in Dayton and I'm always up for gaslighting them.> It's practically my #1 hobby.)>
Two words: Paper and Pulp Manufacturing.
If you've ever lived in a paper mill town, you know whereof I speak.
Nevermind the facts, Joel K. 'Jay' Furr, just give me the details!
Bill Lang <wjlmutt@bitememindspring.com> wrote in > news:Xns9615EE8BFB0F4bungalobill@199.45.49.11:>
Two words: Paper and Pulp Manufacturing.>>
If you've ever lived in a paper mill town, you know whereof I>> speak. >
I grew up close enough to places like Covington, Virginia to> know whereof you speak. Went through there now and then.>
When I was driving back and forth to school in Ohio there were 3 places I felt obligated to remind my passengers to hold their breath. Nitro WV, Covington, and Chillicothe. Then I had the pleasure of living for 3 years a mere 4 miles from the Champion Paper mill in Roanoke Rapids NC. Only the poultry farms around Harrisonburg rivaled the sickening odor that just hangs in the air for weeks at a time.
Agreed. In order to win elections, the Dem/lib faction must abandon the > urban oases where they rocked W so mightily and spread out into flyover > country. It doesn't do the cause any good to win one electoral district by > a 90%-10% margin and lose two by a 55%-45% margin. If the Dems/libs took > some of that winning margin and applied it out in the rural areas, they'd > win more of those close races.>
Now: who all from NYC and SF are ready to volunteer to move to Ottumwa, IA > and Chillecothe, OH for the next election?>
I think you owe the Libertarians' Free State Project $1.
Agreed. In order to win elections, the Dem/lib faction must abandon >> the urban oases where they rocked W so mightily and spread out into >> flyover country. It doesn't do the cause any good to win one >> electoral district by a 90%-10% margin and lose two by a 55%-45% >> margin. If the Dems/libs took some of that winning margin and applied >> it out in the rural areas, they'd win more of those close races.>>
Now: who all from NYC and SF are ready to volunteer to move to >> Ottumwa, IA and Chillecothe, OH for the next election?>>
I think you owe the Libertarians' Free State Project $1.>
I've been to Chillecothe, OH -- a nice place. I've been to London, Paris, Chicago and Manhattan. Nice places, too
Maybe it's coming from a state that's nothing much one way or the other except obstinately nothing at all that makes such ambiguity possible.
Agreed. In order to win elections, the Dem/lib faction must abandon
urban oases where they rocked W so mightily and spread out into
flyover>country. It doesn't do the cause any good to win one electoral district by>a 90%-10% margin and lose two by a 55%-45% margin. If the Dems/libs took>some of that winning margin and applied it out in the rural areas, they'd>win more of those close races.
That's right. Spread everyone out and the Democrats will win most of the races. Kerry won the popular vote so he'd be pres right now.
Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 12 March 2005 01:16:08 [ permanent link ]
jaybyrd <jbird@pitt_spamcheck_.edu> wrote in news:d0t1h6$ge3$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu:
Of course, tuition to religious school doesn't get you 'intangible >> religious benefits', nor do contributions to things like political>> parties count as charitable. >>
Wife's an accountant.>
I have a friend that works for the IRS. Know any parochial school > parents he should call?
Yeah, swq22@yahoo.com, well... that's just like... your opinion man.
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:08:52 -0500, "Tom Enright"><thenright@komBOINKcast.nYet> wrote:>
Not so fast...This is red state vs. blue state, which isn't a proper >>comparison.>
Complaints to Rogers.
MWHID.
John Rogers AU Class of 1985 The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
"Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in Heaven - Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and Principalities, Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it is in the Navy. You have come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother."
James Schrumpf 12 March 2005 03:28:48 [ permanent link ]
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. xyzzy <invalid@addr.net>? Shaken, or stirred?
James Schrumpf wrote:>
Agreed. In order to win elections, the Dem/lib faction must abandon>> the urban oases where they rocked W so mightily and spread out into>> flyover country. It doesn't do the cause any good to win one>> electoral district by a 90%-10% margin and lose two by a 55%-45%>> margin. If the Dems/libs took some of that winning margin and>> applied it out in the rural areas, they'd win more of those close>> races. >>
Now: who all from NYC and SF are ready to volunteer to move to>> Ottumwa, IA and Chillecothe, OH for the next election?>>
I think you owe the Libertarians' Free State Project $1.>
Gladly.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
I believe it would continue to favor the states listed at the top. I>> would bet that many of these folks send their kids to private school,>> and that, for some incredibly stupid reason, isn't deductible.
you can't deduct a contribution that you receive a product or service for. > Then it isn't a contribution.
I'm not going to get bent out of shape about this, because I didn't *have to* send my kids to private school. But it is an educational expense, college costs are deductible, and the local schools actually benefit.
