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John Rogers 26 February 2005 04:47:13
 I agree with the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html

or

http://snipurl.com/­d2a0


John Rogers
AU Class of 1985
The Al Del Greco of Atlanta

"Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in Heaven -
Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and Principalities,
Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it is in the Navy. You
have come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother."

(Captain Jack Aubrey, R.N. "The Ionian Mission)
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Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 26 February 2005 04:51:08 [ permanent link ]
 John Rogers <tiger7_88@yahoo.co­m> wrote in
news:7nhv11dl5do9s5­aljkvfo8tp936pe9hcdg­@4ax.com:
I agree with the New York Times.>
http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html>
http://snipurl.com/­d2a0

Yeah, not knowing jack about this issue, I'll agree as well based on what
the article says. We need more Slick and less Buck Rogers.

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Charles Beauchamp 26 February 2005 09:11:16 [ permanent link ]
 John Rogers wrote:> I agree with the New York Times.>
http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html>
http://snipurl.com/­d2a0>

That author is very wise

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decide everything." - Josef Stalin

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Guest 27 February 2005 00:51:18 [ permanent link ]
 
John Rogers wrote:> I agree with the New York Times.>
http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html>
http://snipurl.com/­d2a0

I would have thought that close air support still comes in handy on
occasion.

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Dennis 27 February 2005 03:10:51 [ permanent link ]
 rjones@colby.edu You're digging it round, when it aughta Be SQUARE
John Rogers wrote:>> I agree with the New York Times.>>
http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html>>
http://snipurl.com/­d2a0>
I would have thought that close air support still comes in handy on>occasion.

it does... the Air force requires a close base though.... Aircraft
carrier OTOH are a mobile base... and they are pretty secure.


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Trent Woodruff 27 February 2005 04:32:33 [ permanent link ]
 
Dennis was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>>rjones@c­olby.edu You're digging it round, when it aughta Be SQUARE>>>John Rogers wrote:
I agree with the New York Times.>>> http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html>>> or>>> http://snipurl.com/­d2a0
I would have thought that close air support still comes in handy on>>occasion.
it does... the Air force requires a close base though.... Aircraft>carrier OTOH are a mobile base... and they are pretty secure.

Qaddafi says hi.




Trent
Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger

...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.
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7h@Ch 27 February 2005 08:04:27 [ permanent link ]
 
Charles Beauchamp wrote:
If the F-15 and F-16 were better than anything else to be found in
the world> then we wouldn't need to. They aren't. They haven't been since the
SU-27> and Mig-29 both first flew.

Not to mention those slick looking flying aluminium tubes that them
Frenchie called Mirage 2K.

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Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 27 February 2005 08:47:41 [ permanent link ]
 John Rogers <tiger7_88@yahoo.co­m> wrote in
news:4t92215v5e59cq­j6crkmh1mkhtr7biu6rf­@4ax.com:
And the biggest driver of keeping that program alive are the Repubic> Senators and Representatives of the GRATE STATE OF GEORGIA!!!> (Lockheed-MARIETTA,­ you know.)

It's actually the fault of the Big Chicken.

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Charles Beauchamp 27 February 2005 19:13:30 [ permanent link ]
 John Rogers wrote:> Yeah, deemsbill@aol.com, well... that's just like... your opinion man.>
John Rogers wrote:>>> Yeah, rjones@colby.edu, well... that's just like... your opinion>>> man.>>>
John Rogers wrote:>>>>> I agree with the New York Times.>>>>>
http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html>>>>>
http://snipurl.com/­d2a0>>>>
I would have thought that close air support still comes in handy on>>>> occasion.>>>
Sure. Neither I nor the editorial are advocating the elimination of>>> that capability. But (1) the F-15 and F-16 *still* do a fine, fine>>> job of that, and (2) the Navy has easier access to their takeoff and>>> landing areas near the particular zones with regard to that>>> close-air support.>>>
John Rogers>>> AU Class of 1985>>> The Al Del Greco of Atlanta>>>
"Subordination is the natural order: there is subordination in>>> Heaven - Thrones and Dominions take precendence over Powers and>>> Principalities, Archangels and ordinary foremast angels; and so it>>> is in the Navy. You have come to the wrong shop for anarchy,>>> brother.">>>
(Captain Jack Aubrey, R.N. "The Ionian>>> Mission)>>
http://www.strategy­page.com/humor/artic­les/military_jokes_2­00522523.asp>
Heh.>

Funny story but couldn't have happened.

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v/r Beau

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything." - Josef Stalin

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and the government
when it deserves it." -Mark Twain


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Charles Beauchamp 27 February 2005 19:15:25 [ permanent link ]
 Dennis wrote:> woodruffs@cableone.­net (Trent Woodruff) You're digging it round, when> it aughta Be SQUARE>
Dennis was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>>>> rjones@colby.edu You're digging it round, when it aughta Be SQUARE>>>>> John Rogers wrote:>>
I agree with the New York Times.>>>>> http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html>>>>> or>>>>> http://snipurl.com/­d2a0>>
I would have thought that close air support still comes in handy on>>>> occasion.>>
it does... the Air force requires a close base though.... Aircraft>>> carrier OTOH are a mobile base... and they are pretty secure.>>
Qaddafi says hi.>
yes and it was my carrier and another that killed his son, not the air> force...>

That is my favorite post of the past week.

--
v/r Beau

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything." - Josef Stalin

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and the government
when it deserves it." -Mark Twain


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Trent Woodruff 27 February 2005 20:28:20 [ permanent link ]
 
Dennis was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>>woodruff­s@cableone.net (Trent Woodruff) You're digging it round, when>>>Dennis was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>>>>rjones­@colby.edu You're digging it round, when it aughta Be SQUARE>>>>>John Rogers wrote:
I agree with the New York Times.>>>>> http://www.nytimes.­com/2005/02/25/opini­on/25fri1.html>>>>> or>>>>> http://snipurl.com/­d2a0
I would have thought that close air support still comes in handy on>>>>occasion.
it does... the Air force requires a close base though.... Aircraft>>>carrier OTOH are a mobile base... and they are pretty secure.
Qaddafi says hi.
yes and it was my carrier and another that killed his son, not the air>force...

Regardless, it STILL shows that the Air Force does NOT require a close
base.



Trent
Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger

...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.
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Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 27 February 2005 20:35:04 [ permanent link ]
 woodruffs@cableone.n­et (Trent Woodruff) wrote in news:4221f509.85208­47
@news.cableone.net:­
Regardless, it STILL shows that the Air Force does NOT require a close> base.>

On the other hand, in that case, didn't they wind up having to fly all the
way around Spain and France because they wouldn't let the F-111s fly over?

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Trent Woodruff 27 February 2005 21:17:20 [ permanent link ]
 
Joel K. 'Jay' Furr was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>>woodruff­s@cableone.net (Trent Woodruff) wrote in news:4221f509.85208­47
Regardless, it STILL shows that the Air Force does NOT require a close>> base.
On the other hand, in that case, didn't they wind up having to fly all the >way around Spain and France because they wouldn't let the F-111s fly over?

France yes...I can't remember about Spain.

But doesn't that just show even MORE ability to strike from a
distance?

(The Navy wouldn't be going through France or Spain either.)



Trent
Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger

...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.
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Charles Beauchamp 27 February 2005 23:16:29 [ permanent link ]
 Trent Woodruff wrote:>> Joel K. 'Jay' Furr was cut from the Baylor football team for>> saying...>>> woodruffs@cableone.­net (Trent Woodruff) wrote in>>> news:4221f509.85208­47>
Regardless, it STILL shows that the Air Force does NOT require a>>> close base.>
On the other hand, in that case, didn't they wind up having to fly>> all the way around Spain and France because they wouldn't let the>> F-111s fly over?>
France yes...I can't remember about Spain.>
But doesn't that just show even MORE ability to strike from a> distance?

No...again...they couldn't do it from the states..and they couldn't do the
strike without support of air craft based around the Med (or in the case of
the Navy...ON the Med).
(The Navy wouldn't be going through France or Spain either.)>

Wouldn't need to. Plus the Navy could have done follow on strikes as needed
Ad Hoc day and night around the clock if needed from as close as desired.

--
v/r Beau

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes
decide everything." - Josef Stalin

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and the government
when it deserves it." -Mark Twain


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Guest 27 February 2005 23:26:15 [ permanent link ]
 That's why it was a joke.

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Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 1 March 2005 03:50:38 [ permanent link ]
 "Randolph M. Jones" <rjones@colby.edu> wrote in news:422330F8.30305­02
@colby.edu:
So you think we should wait to create new technological military > advances until the rest of the world catches up with us first?

I definitely think we need to sink a few billion more into the Osprey, or
something like it. We need the ability to deploy troops fast to the front
and land them safely, w/o crashing. The "not crashing" part is fairly
important, I hear.

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