Bryan S . Slick 26 February 2005 01:19:07 [ permanent link ]
[Charles Beauchamp (C.E.Beauchamp@NOSPAMcomcast.net)] [Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:11:41 -0800]
:> Have we reached the point yet where someone could declare this guy as :> a certifiable wackjob? Good Lord. : :Not sure if you mean Ward Churhill or Ralph Kennedy.
I like and respect Ralph Kennedy. I don't always agree with what he writes, and in fact I consider him further left than I'm generally comfortable with, but he doesn't seem to take himself too seriously most of the time, and can realize when he's being irrational.
I don't think you're anyone to be taking "wackjob" shots at Ralph, if you know what I mean, and I suspect you do.
-- Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com
"There ain't nothing wrong a few cold beers can't iron out in fact, you tell me just when and where, and I'll buy the first round"
Doug.Sorensen@Comcast.Net 26 February 2005 01:42:52 [ permanent link ]
Yeah, Churchill is a certifiable nutjob who keeps confusing his own intense prejudices with some form of reality. So what. They're all over academe. What I don't understand is how someone so clearly incompetent as an academic keeps his job at what used to be considered a major university.
Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.com> wrote:> [Charles Beauchamp (C.E.Beauchamp@NOSPAMcomcast.net)]> [Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:11:41 -0800]>
:> Have we reached the point yet where someone could declare this guy as> :> a certifiable wackjob? Good Lord.> :> :Not sure if you mean Ward Churhill or Ralph Kennedy.>
I like and respect Ralph Kennedy. I don't always agree with what he > writes, and in fact I consider him further left than I'm generally > comfortable with, but he doesn't seem to take himself too seriously most > of the time, and can realize when he's being irrational.>
I don't think you're anyone to be taking "wackjob" shots at Ralph, if > you know what I mean, and I suspect you do.>
When biblical literalists start calling other people wackjobs..... Next on Fox.
Yeah, Churchill is a certifiable nutjob who keeps confusing his own> intense prejudices with some form of reality. So what. They're all> over academe. What I don't understand is how someone so clearly> incompetent as an academic keeps his job at what used to be considered> a major university. >
Bingo. For those prof types out there, I am jealous of your tenure if you can get away with stuff like that.
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"Get that camera out of my face," Churchill said.>>>>
"This is an artwork we've got called 'Winter>>>> Attack.' It looks like it was based on>>>> a Thomas Mails painting; it looks like you>>>> ripped it off. Can you tell us about that?">>>> Chohan asked.>>>>
That prompted Churchill to take a swing at>>>> Chohan while he held a stack of papers in his>>>> hand.>>>>
HAW!!@!!!1!!!>>>>
I'd say my bet on Churchill in the big O'Reilly>>>> fight is looking pretty good right now!!>>>>
HAW!!@!!1!!>>>
Have we reached the point yet where someone could declare this guy>>> as a certifiable wackjob? Good Lord.>>
Not sure if you mean Ward Churhill or Ralph Kennedy.>
GUFFAW!!@!!!>
I'm glad we invited you to this barbecue, Charles,> you really are a lot of fun. Now wouldja please pass> me another hamburger?>
I done cooked up Ralphie
-- v/r Beau
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." - Josef Stalin
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Bryan S . Slick 26 February 2005 06:16:11 [ permanent link ]
[Ralph Kennedy (kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu)] [Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:01:17 GMT]
: Nothing. But how often does that happen? And what :real harm is done? I doubt anyone has seriously written :off a fine institution like CU just because of one :questionable hiring decision.
A few football players might've.
-- Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com
"There ain't nothing wrong a few cold beers can't iron out in fact, you tell me just when and where, and I'll buy the first round"
James Schrumpf 26 February 2005 06:18:33 [ permanent link ]
You nauseate me, Mr. Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.com>, with a nauseaus super-naus:
[Ralph Kennedy (kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu)]> [Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:01:17 GMT]>
: Nothing. But how often does that happen? And what>:real harm is done? I doubt anyone has seriously written>:off a fine institution like CU just because of one>:questionable hiring decision.>
A few football players might've.>
I've heard on O'Reilly there's been a big dropoff in out-of-state applications, but haven't seen any real evidence.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.no_junk.com> wrote:> They are elected. You don't like it, vote them out. A tenured professor > doesn't really have to face that.
I missed that part where I elected Paul Wolfowitz....
Bryan S . Slick 28 February 2005 21:30:49 [ permanent link ]
[Ralph Kennedy (kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu)] [Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:52:10 GMT]
:James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> writes: :> :> And thus the question: why _shouldn't_ a university be able to fire an :> employee who has become "incongruent with the university's ideals and :> goals"? :> :> This actually, is certainly not an issue of "academic freedom." : : Yes it is.
No, it isn't.
-- Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com
"There ain't nothing wrong a few cold beers can't iron out in fact, you tell me just when and where, and I'll buy the first round"
Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.no_junk.com> wrote:> <aborgman@redshark.goodshow.net> wrote in> news:3T2121f0IevlN3l@redshark.goodshow.net: >
Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.no_junk.com> wrote:>>> They are elected. You don't like it, vote them out. A tenured>>> professor doesn't really have to face that. >>
I missed that part where I elected Paul Wolfowitz....>
If Kerry had been elected, where would Wolfowitz be?
Who knows? That is beside the point - I can't vote him out.
I also can't stand a few Justices of the Supreme Court. When do I get to vote them out? I pay their salary.
Randolph M. Jones 1 March 2005 02:00:19 [ permanent link ]
Bryan S. Slick wrote:> [Ralph Kennedy (kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu)]> [Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:52:10 GMT]>
:James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> writes:> :> > :> And thus the question: why _shouldn't_ a university be able to fire an > :> employee who has become "incongruent with the university's ideals and > :> goals"? > :> > :> This actually, is certainly not an issue of "academic freedom."> :> : Yes it is.>
No, it isn't.>
For those colleges and universities that subscribe to the AAUP guidelines on academic freedom (which is most of them), issues of academic freedom are what the AAUP says they are.
Matthew Hennig was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...
Hey, as a university, if you don't like it, don't>> sign any tenure agreements. Simple.
And if the product 5 years down the road suddenly becomes something you >didn't sign up for, what recourse do you have? It's pretty limited. >Thats one of the downsides to tenure that I see.
No...that's one of the downsides of LENGTHY CONTRACTS.
Trent Chairborne "Nine of Diamonds" Ranger
...To be a great NCO, you need three bones: a backbone, a wishbone and a funny bone.
Ralph Kennedy <kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> wrote:> Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.No_JuNk.com> writes:>> <aborgman@redshark.goodshow.net> wrote:>> > Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.no_junk.com> wrote:>> >> <aborgman@redshark.goodshow.net> wrote in>> >> news:3T2121f0IevlN3l@redshark.goodshow.net: >> >>
Matthew Hennig <matth@aggies.no_junk.com> wrote:>> >>>> They are elected. You don't like it, vote them out. A tenured>> >>>> professor doesn't really have to face that. >> >>>
I missed that part where I elected Paul Wolfowitz....>> >>
If Kerry had been elected, where would Wolfowitz be?>> >
Who knows? That is beside the point - I can't vote him out. >>
You vote Bush out, you vote Wolfowitz out. It's pretty simple.>>
I also can't stand a few Justices of the Supreme Court. When do I get>> > to vote them out? I pay their salary.>>
Well, you see, the Supreme Court is set up in the Constitution.>> Tenure isn't. >
Nobody's forcing CU to sign tenure agreements.> Please quit whining.
Exactly. CU chose to sign on the dotted line and now they're paying the price for their decision.
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)? Shaken, or stirred?
Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.com> writes:>> [Ralph Kennedy (kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu)]>> :Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.com> writes:>> :> [Ralph Kennedy (kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu)]>> :> :James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet> writes:>> :> :> >> :> :> And thus the question: why _shouldn't_ a university be able to>> :> :> fire an employee who has become "incongruent with the>> :> :> university's ideals and goals"? >> :> :> >> :> :> This actually, is certainly not an issue of "academic freedom.">> :> :>> :> : Yes it is.>> :> >> :> No, it isn't.>> :>> : You don't think CU trying (if it were dumn enough>> :to, but of course, it isn't) to fire Ward Churchill at>>
I was just responding to your brilliant rebuttal in kind, Ralph.>
You'd have a point if I hadn't already laid> out in excruciating detail to Mr. Schrumpf precisely> why it was an issue of academic freedom.>
I missed that part; could you do it again? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopper.net
Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and kill it. -- Master Shake
