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New Minardi - not ugly
Ric Zito 15 April 2005 21:52:36
	http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39 3 ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the dotted lines" car. Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough. -- ric ric at pixelligence dot com
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Bigbird 15 April 2005 23:33:17 [ permanent link ]
	"Alexandre" <totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> ric zito wrote:>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>> 3>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've> ever>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>> dotted lines" car.>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>> -->> ric>> ric at pixelligence dot com> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete> with all the other cars. Maybe some other teams should be given a> chance at F1.> Know of any teams not being given a chance?
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Bigbird 16 April 2005 02:02:22 [ permanent link ]
	"The Wizard" <the_wiz@nospamhere.com> wrote in message news:kgV7e.3661$DU6.2587@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...> "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> wrote in message > news:uIidnWxYVY1ji_3fRVnysw@pipex.net...>> "Alexandre" <totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>>> ric zito wrote:>>>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>>>> 3>>>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've>>> ever>>>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>>> dotted lines" car.>>>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>>>> -->>>> ric>>>> ric at pixelligence dot com>>> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and>>> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete>>> with all the other cars.>> Maybe some other teams should be given a>>> chance at F1.>>> Know of any teams not being given a chance?> Ferrari? > Really? As I understand it Ferrari and FIA are in bed together.
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The Wizard 16 April 2005 02:38:56 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> wrote in message news:wvydndaX6IhzpP3fRVnyhw@pipex.net...> "The Wizard" <the_wiz@nospamhere.com> wrote in message > news:kgV7e.3661$DU6.2587@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...>> "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> wrote in message >> news:uIidnWxYVY1ji_3fRVnysw@pipex.net...>>> "Alexandre" <totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>>>> ric zito wrote:>>>>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>>>>> 3>>>>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've>>>> ever>>>>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>>>> dotted lines" car.>>>>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>>>>> -->>>>> ric>>>>> ric at pixelligence dot com>>>> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and>>>> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete>>>> with all the other cars.>>> Maybe some other teams should be given a>>>> chance at F1.>>>> Know of any teams not being given a chance?>> Ferrari? >> Really? As I understand it Ferrari and FIA are in bed together. I thought FIA stood for Ferrari's interested associates
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William Lynch 16 April 2005 03:35:28 [ permanent link ]
	in article 1gv2sdd.109faqb1hcghw6N%ADDRESS@IN.SIG, ric zito at ADDRESS@IN.SIG wrote on 4/15/05 10:52 AM: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39> 3> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the> dotted lines" car.> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough. Boy, talk about a flashback: it reminded me of the old Shadows. I miss that team.
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William Lynch 16 April 2005 03:36:08 [ permanent link ]
	in article 1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, Alexandre at totaltrek2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/05 11:56 AM: ric zito wrote:>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>> 3>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've> ever>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>> dotted lines" car.>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>> -->> ric>> ric at pixelligence dot com> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete> with all the other cars. Maybe some other teams should be given a> chance at F1. If the Minardis are that bad, then how do they make the 107% limit?
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William Lynch 16 April 2005 03:39:12 [ permanent link ]
	in article uIidnWxYVY1ji_3fRVnysw@pipex.net, Bigbird at lay@work.nest wrote on 4/15/05 12:33 PM: "Alexandre" <totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>> ric zito wrote:>>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>>> 3>>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've>> ever>>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>> dotted lines" car.>>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>>> -->>> ric>>> ric at pixelligence dot com>> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and>> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete>> with all the other cars.> Maybe some other teams should be given a>> chance at F1.>> Know of any teams not being given a chance? LIFE, Maki, Scarab, FORCE, Theodore, Kauhsen, Tecno, Amon . . .
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Phil Newnham 16 April 2005 04:03:43 [ permanent link ]
	william lynch wrote:> in article 1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, Alexandre> at totaltrek2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/05 11:56 AM:> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and>>should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete>>with all the other cars. Maybe some other teams should be given a>>chance at F1.> If the Minardis are that bad, then how do they make the 107% limit? There isn't one ;) -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Geoff May 16 April 2005 04:14:47 [ permanent link ]
	william lynch wrote:> in article 1gv2sdd.109faqb1hcghw6N%ADDRESS@IN.SIG, ric zito at> ADDRESS@IN.SIG wrote on 4/15/05 10:52 AM:> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=393>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever>>seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>dotted lines" car.>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.> Boy, talk about a flashback: it reminded me of the old Shadows.> I miss that team. Yes and Tom Pryce stuck one on the pole once with 2 poles for Jarier that year. A somewhat unlucky team. MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 11th April, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Bigbird 16 April 2005 04:21:32 [ permanent link ]
	"william lynch" <x@y.z> wrote in message news:BE859E99.54B1%x@y.z...> in article uIidnWxYVY1ji_3fRVnysw@pipex.net, Bigbird at lay@work.nest > wrote> on 4/15/05 12:33 PM:> "Alexandre" <totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message>> news:1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>>> ric zito wrote:>>>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>>>> 3>>>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've>>> ever>>>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>>> dotted lines" car.>>>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>>>> -->>>> ric>>>> ric at pixelligence dot com>>> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and>>> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete>>> with all the other cars.>> Maybe some other teams should be given a>>> chance at F1.>>> Know of any teams not being given a chance?> LIFE, Maki, Scarab, FORCE, Theodore, Kauhsen, Tecno, Amon . . .> Perhaps you'd like to try that one again after reading the question or perhaps you are not English speaking in which case concentrate your translation on the "being". I take it you are just listing former F1 failures for some obscure reason.
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Paul-B 16 April 2005 04:22:09 [ permanent link ]
	william lynch wrote: If the Minardis are that bad, then how do they make the 107% limit? Probably because there isn't one. -- Paul-B The original and the best
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Bigbird 16 April 2005 04:33:04 [ permanent link ]
	"william lynch" <x@y.z> wrote in message news:BE859DE1.54B0%x@y.z...> in article 1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, Alexandre> at totaltrek2000@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/05 11:56 AM:> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and>> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete>> with all the other cars. Maybe some other teams should be given a>> chance at F1.> If the Minardis are that bad, then how do they make the 107% limit?> Are you saying that you consider a car that can be expected to be lapped 4 times in an event to be reasonably competitive.
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Tussock 16 April 2005 06:00:07 [ permanent link ]
	ric zito wrote: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=393 ....proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the> dotted lines" car.> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough. OK, it's all in super-cool black, so kinda hard to make out here and there. The sidepods look like a copy of the 2004 Ferrari, other than them missing a winglet (I guess without a windtunnel they won't really know what it does?). There's also no winglets up top, nor the new bargeboard splitter configuration everyone's adding. No mini-wing over the taillight. They do have a stylie 2005 fin. It doesn't seem pinch near as well at the back as the top cars, probably a bigger package inside; the RBR car doesn't pinch aswell either. Wow; that Renault is /tiny/ at the back. It's got a funny bump on the right of the engine cover that's not mirrored on the left. Heh, obviously had to comprimise the copy of the engine cover to fit everything inside. There's a weird strut infront of the rear wheels too. Odd. In comparison to their competitor, I think the Jordan's still using 02-03 style sidepods, blocky with old style chimneys. Jordan has a Toyota inside though, which must be better than the Cosworth. -- tussock Aspie at work, sorry in advance.
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Tussock 16 April 2005 06:27:58 [ permanent link ]
	william lynch wrote:> If the Minardis are that bad, then how do they make the 107% limit? They were 107.2% and 108.2% last time I checked (fast enough to win in '98/'99/'00), but the PS05 should fix that. 8] -- tussock Aspie at work, sorry in advance.
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Geoff May 16 April 2005 06:33:16 [ permanent link ]
	tussock wrote:> william lynch wrote:> If the Minardis are that bad, then how do they make the 107% limit?> They were 107.2% and 108.2% last time I checked (fast enough to win > in '98/'99/'00), but the PS05 should fix that. 8] That was Malaysia's aggregate times. Aggregate qualifying at Bahrain they were 104,7% and 105,1% Australia you can ignore 'cos of the shoddy air conditioning they have down there. Anyone would think that people who stand on their heads all the time would get the watering system sorted out properly. MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 11th April, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Ruddell 16 April 2005 07:02:17 [ permanent link ]
	In <3cb45hF6kd3nhU1@individual.net> Paul-B wrote:> william lynch wrote:> If the Minardis are that bad, then how do they make the 107% limit?> Probably because there isn't one. And that sucks. It was what really separated F1 from the others... -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply
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Phil Newnham 16 April 2005 12:41:53 [ permanent link ]
	tussock wrote:> It doesn't seem pinch near as well at the back as the top cars, > probably a bigger package inside; the RBR car doesn't pinch aswell either. Could also indicate that they're giving the engine more space because of cooling concerns. Minardi always want a 100% reliable finish rate over everything else. There's a weird strut infront of the rear wheels too. Odd. That strut is there to stabilise the extended floor section. At the front it's extended to help the diffuser - it increases the effective length of the floor, which improves the flow into the diffuser and helps rear downforce, as well as moving the cp forward, but doesn't require it to carry much aerodynamic loading. At the back it generates a fair amount of downforce due to the action of the spinning wheel - the wheel pulls the flow forwards and downwards towards the floor plate, generating a region of high pressure, and loading the plate up. I guess they found that without the strut it flaps around a bit, and a strut was a more effective way of making it stronger than thickening it, which adds significant weight. -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Phil Newnham 16 April 2005 14:34:22 [ permanent link ]
	Bob Dubery wrote:> And do my eyes deceive me? or does it have a fin running down the back?> The air intake seems to have a curved shape, but there is - to my eyes> - a fin running down the back of the intake in a straight line. I can see it too. Probably there for drag reduction. -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Phil Newnham 16 April 2005 17:03:09 [ permanent link ]
	Pete Fenelon wrote:> Phil Newnham <pnewnham@yahoo.com> wrote:> I can see it too. Probably there for drag reduction.> No; probably there because of new bodywork-area rules that are primarily> there to guarantee sufficient space for sponsor exposure. I wish I was> joking. That's true, but if they've got big engine covers then it could also be for drag. I spent most of this week helping optimise our Formula SAE car and it suffered from separation problems at the back of the airbox that can be fixed to an extent by adding a fin down the back. I guess you're right though, it is primarily because of that rule. -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Dc 16 April 2005 18:26:26 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:52:36 +0200, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>3 How did that "not" get in the header? Ugliest F1 car I've seen in some time. Looks like a cut and shut job to me. Blech... David
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Phil Newnham 16 April 2005 20:43:46 [ permanent link ]
	Bob Dubery wrote:> As for the fin and it's function, I recall seeming something similar on> Penske CART cars round about '94 or '95. I've been trying to visualise> the way the air would move with and without the fin (not the acme of> science, but still...) and I'd imagine that the fin does result on less> turbulence being passed back to the wing.> I might even be right. If the airbox is quite wide, and quite short, then because it rounds off quickly at the back, the air can tend to separate and cause turbulence, which may also shed off the back of the box from first one side and then the other. The fin basically extends the box downstream, giving the flow a chance to reattach, which means it will come off the back of the fin straight, and less turbulent. So you are indeed correct. -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Big Craigie 16 April 2005 21:49:18 [ permanent link ]
	"william lynch" <x@y.z> wrote in message news:BE859DB9.54AF%x@y.z...> in article 1gv2sdd.109faqb1hcghw6N%ADDRESS@IN.SIG, ric zito at> ADDRESS@IN.SIG wrote on 4/15/05 10:52 AM:> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39> > 3> > ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever> > seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the> > dotted lines" car.> > Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.> Boy, talk about a flashback: it reminded me of the old Shadows.> I miss that team. I like them when they backed Cliff Richard ....I'll get my coat Big Craigie ps on a proper note, I remember the first Shadow car in 1973, it looked tremendous when the whole bodywork covered everything all the way to the back end. Must have been a bugger to change something in the engine in a hurry.
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George 16 April 2005 22:07:02 [ permanent link ]
	Alexandre <totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message: news:<1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>> ric zito wrote:> > http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39> > 3> > ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've> ever> > seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the> > dotted lines" car.> > Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.> > --> > ric> > ric at pixelligence dot com> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete> with all the other cars. Maybe some other teams should be given a> chance at F1.> I like the red car with the number 1 on it. Everybody does.
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Neutron 16 April 2005 22:19:40 [ permanent link ]
	"DC" <gojphNOJUNKTA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:h28261hvdlghcfvp77i7l9ns409ifqgai5@4ax.com...> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:52:36 +0200, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39> >3> How did that "not" get in the header? Ugliest F1 car I've seen in some> time. Looks like a cut and shut job to me. Blech...> David Looks good to me.
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William Lynch 17 April 2005 02:55:37 [ permanent link ]
	in article d3rj7l$6a9$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk, Big Craigie at bigcraigieyourclothes13@yahoo.co.uk wrote on 4/16/05 10:49 AM: "william lynch" <x@y.z> wrote in message news:BE859DB9.54AF%x@y.z...>> in article 1gv2sdd.109faqb1hcghw6N%ADDRESS@IN.SIG, ric zito at>> ADDRESS@IN.SIG wrote on 4/15/05 10:52 AM:>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>>> 3>>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever>>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>> dotted lines" car.>>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>> Boy, talk about a flashback: it reminded me of the old Shadows.>> I miss that team.> I like them when they backed Cliff Richard ....I'll get my coat> Big Craigie> ps on a proper note, I remember the first Shadow car in 1973, it looked> tremendous when the whole bodywork covered everything all the way to the> back end. Must have been a bugger to change something in the engine in a> hurry. That was only the first F1 model. The first Shadow car was the Mark 1, which debuted in late 69. All of the early Shadows were Can-Am cars.
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William Lynch 17 April 2005 02:56:33 [ permanent link ]
	in article MPG.1ccb1e5370ae11498a33a@news.individual.net, George at george.five@clara.net wrote on 4/16/05 11:07 AM: Alexandre <totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message:> news:<1113591366.549175.44540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>>> ric zito wrote:>>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>>> 3>>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've>> ever>>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>> dotted lines" car.>>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>>> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and>> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete>> with all the other cars. Maybe some other teams should be given a>> chance at F1.>> I like the red car with the number 1 on it. Everybody does. The current #1 car is this puke orange right now.
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Ian Dalziel 17 April 2005 04:15:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:55:37 GMT, william lynch <x@y.z> wrote: in article d3rj7l$6a9$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk, Big Craigie at>bigcraigieyourclothes13@yahoo.co.uk wrote on 4/16/05 10:49 AM:> "william lynch" <x@y.z> wrote in message news:BE859DB9.54AF%x@y.z...>>> in article 1gv2sdd.109faqb1hcghw6N%ADDRESS@IN.SIG, ric zito at>>> ADDRESS@IN.SIG wrote on 4/15/05 10:52 AM:>>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39>>>> 3>>>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever>>>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>>> dotted lines" car.>>>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>>> Boy, talk about a flashback: it reminded me of the old Shadows.>>> I miss that team.>> I like them when they backed Cliff Richard ....I'll get my coat>> Big Craigie>> ps on a proper note, I remember the first Shadow car in 1973, it looked>> tremendous when the whole bodywork covered everything all the way to the>> back end. Must have been a bugger to change something in the engine in a>> hurry.> That was only the first F1 model. The first Shadow car was the Mark 1,>which debuted in late 69. All of the early Shadows were Can-Am cars. First one was the go-kart thing, wasn't it? -- Ian
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F2005: 0 of 1 18 April 2005 07:02:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:52:36 +0200, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:>http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=393> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever>seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>dotted lines" car.> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough. Have your eyes checked, Ric. ...The sidepods look positively cancerous.
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F2005: 0 of 1 18 April 2005 07:03:39 [ permanent link ]
	On 15 Apr 2005 11:56:06 -0700, "Alexandre" <totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote:>ric zito wrote:>http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=393>> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've ever>> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>> dotted lines" car.>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and>should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete>with all the other cars. Maybe some other teams should be given a>chance at F1. ...Anyone else notice Google Groups has become the new WebTV?
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BeeJ 19 April 2005 12:38:16 [ permanent link ]
	Alexandre wrote:> ric zito wrote:> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_gallery_display.php?fes_gal_id=39> ...proper swoopy compound curves in the sidepods. First time I've> ever> seen a Minardi that doesn't look like a "cut it out and fold on the>>dotted lines" car.>> Still looks a bit rough all over, but the basic shape is nice enough.>> -->>ric>> ric at pixelligence dot com> Minardis are nothing more than moving chicanes. They are dangerous and> should be banned from F1 unless they are able to reasonably compete> with all the other cars. Maybe some other teams should be given a> chance at F1.> IIRC there are still places for 2 teams to join F1 the max grid size went from 22 to 24 when Toyota joined and then Prost and Arrows went bust. No one is stopping 2 new teams starting up. -- "A computer is like an air conditioner: Once you open windows, it stops working." http://www.f1ngers.com - THE unofficial newsgroup of F1
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Geoff May 19 April 2005 15:38:21 [ permanent link ]
	BeeJ wrote:> [snipped]>> IIRC there are still places for 2 teams to join F1 the max grid size > went from 22 to 24 when Toyota joined and then Prost and Arrows went > bust. No one is stopping 2 new teams starting up. Excepting they have to find a $48 Million deposit before they start[1]. I remember reading that Bernie wanted to get rid of that deposit but don't know if that ever happened. Taking over an existing team doesn't require the deposit, hence Midland next year and RBR this year. MfG Geoff. [1] Yeah, I know, that's not exactly "stopping" but it is a rather large discouragement. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 16th April, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Tussock 20 April 2005 06:35:15 [ permanent link ]
	Geoff May wrote:> BeeJ wrote:> [snipped]>> IIRC there are still places for 2 teams to join F1 the max grid size >> went from 22 to 24 when Toyota joined and then Prost and Arrows went >> bust. No one is stopping 2 new teams starting up.> Excepting they have to find a $48 Million deposit before they start[1]. > I remember reading that Bernie wanted to get rid of that deposit but > don't know if that ever happened.> Taking over an existing team doesn't require the deposit, hence Midland > next year and RBR this year. Could anyone still "take over" Arrows or Prost now that they've been defunct for a couple years? I know you'd have to pick up all their remaining debts off the insovency people, but that's probably less than the 50 mil in both cases. -- tussock Aspie at work, sorry in advance.
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Geoff May 20 April 2005 07:01:21 [ permanent link ]
	tussock wrote:> Geoff May wrote:> BeeJ wrote:>> [snipped]>>> IIRC there are still places for 2 teams to join F1 the max grid size >>> went from 22 to 24 when Toyota joined and then Prost and Arrows went >>> bust. No one is stopping 2 new teams starting up.>> Excepting they have to find a $48 Million deposit before they >> start[1]. I remember reading that Bernie wanted to get rid of that >> deposit but don't know if that ever happened.>> Taking over an existing team doesn't require the deposit, hence >> Midland next year and RBR this year.> Could anyone still "take over" Arrows or Prost now that they've been > defunct for a couple years? I know you'd have to pick up all their > remaining debts off the insovency people, but that's probably less than > the 50 mil in both cases. I doubt it. I think the "take over" means one of the current 10 but I don't really know. Wouldn't know where to look to find out, though. I suppose that would be on the FIA site somewhere. MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 19th April, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Phil Newnham 20 April 2005 12:41:22 [ permanent link ]
	Geoff May wrote:> tussock wrote:> Geoff May wrote:>> BeeJ wrote:>>> [snipped]>>>> IIRC there are still places for 2 teams to join F1 the max grid size >>>> went from 22 to 24 when Toyota joined and then Prost and Arrows went >>>> bust. No one is stopping 2 new teams starting up.>>> Excepting they have to find a $48 Million deposit before they >>> start[1]. I remember reading that Bernie wanted to get rid of that >>> deposit but don't know if that ever happened.>>> Taking over an existing team doesn't require the deposit, hence >>> Midland next year and RBR this year.>> Could anyone still "take over" Arrows or Prost now that they've >> been defunct for a couple years? I know you'd have to pick up all >> their remaining debts off the insovency people, but that's probably >> less than the 50 mil in both cases.> I doubt it. I think the "take over" means one of the current 10 but I > don't really know. Wouldn't know where to look to find out, though. I > suppose that would be on the FIA site somewhere. They don't own entries anymore - the FIA took them off them when they dropped out. That was why the people who wanted to buy one of those teams - Prost? - lost out - Bernie and Max wouldn't let them buy the entry just because they'd bought the assets - there was some kind of timing issue too. -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Ian Dalziel 20 April 2005 16:04:33 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:41:22 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham@yahoo.com> wrote: Geoff May wrote:>> tussock wrote:>> Geoff May wrote:>>> BeeJ wrote:>>>> [snipped]>>>>> IIRC there are still places for 2 teams to join F1 the max grid size >>>>> went from 22 to 24 when Toyota joined and then Prost and Arrows went >>>>> bust. No one is stopping 2 new teams starting up.>>>> Excepting they have to find a $48 Million deposit before they >>>> start[1]. I remember reading that Bernie wanted to get rid of that >>>> deposit but don't know if that ever happened.>>>> Taking over an existing team doesn't require the deposit, hence >>>> Midland next year and RBR this year.>>> Could anyone still "take over" Arrows or Prost now that they've >>> been defunct for a couple years? I know you'd have to pick up all >>> their remaining debts off the insovency people, but that's probably >>> less than the 50 mil in both cases.>> I doubt it. I think the "take over" means one of the current 10 but I >> don't really know. Wouldn't know where to look to find out, though. I >> suppose that would be on the FIA site somewhere.> They don't own entries anymore - the FIA took them off them when they >dropped out. That was why the people who wanted to buy one of those >teams - Prost? - lost out - Bernie and Max wouldn't let them buy the >entry just because they'd bought the assets - there was some kind of >timing issue too. Don't start Pete off again! They bought the assets of the liquidated company, which isn't remotely the same as buying the company. -- Ian
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Phil Newnham 20 April 2005 16:51:38 [ permanent link ]
	Ian Dalziel wrote:> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:41:22 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham@yahoo.com>> wrote:> Geoff May wrote:>> tussock wrote:>>>> Could anyone still "take over" Arrows or Prost now that they've >>>>been defunct for a couple years? I know you'd have to pick up all >>>>their remaining debts off the insovency people, but that's probably >>>>less than the 50 mil in both cases.>>> I doubt it. I think the "take over" means one of the current 10 but I >>>don't really know. Wouldn't know where to look to find out, though. I >>>suppose that would be on the FIA site somewhere.>> They don't own entries anymore - the FIA took them off them when they >>dropped out. That was why the people who wanted to buy one of those >>teams - Prost? - lost out - Bernie and Max wouldn't let them buy the >>entry just because they'd bought the assets - there was some kind of >>timing issue too.> Don't start Pete off again! They bought the assets of the liquidated> company, which isn't remotely the same as buying the company. In that case I'd assume the answer to the question is "no"? -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Ian Dalziel 20 April 2005 17:53:05 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:51:38 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham@yahoo.com> wrote: Ian Dalziel wrote:>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:41:22 +0100, Phil Newnham <pnewnham@yahoo.com>>> wrote:>> Geoff May wrote:>>> tussock wrote:>>>>> Could anyone still "take over" Arrows or Prost now that they've >>>>>been defunct for a couple years? I know you'd have to pick up all >>>>>their remaining debts off the insovency people, but that's probably >>>>>less than the 50 mil in both cases.>>>> I doubt it. I think the "take over" means one of the current 10 but I >>>>don't really know. Wouldn't know where to look to find out, though. I >>>>suppose that would be on the FIA site somewhere.>>> They don't own entries anymore - the FIA took them off them when they >>>dropped out. That was why the people who wanted to buy one of those >>>teams - Prost? - lost out - Bernie and Max wouldn't let them buy the >>>entry just because they'd bought the assets - there was some kind of >>>timing issue too.>> Don't start Pete off again! They bought the assets of the liquidated>> company, which isn't remotely the same as buying the company.> In that case I'd assume the answer to the question is "no" Yes. -- Ian
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