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Saturday, 25 October 2008
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| is it over yet? RickyBobby 17:38:14 |
| | Did CART finally stop renaming itself and give up?
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| Pete Paul-B 17:25:03 |
| | Jules and I went to Pete's funeral service yesterday. It was very
moving, and blessedly short - about 14 minutes or so, which Pete would
have appreciated. Ian Dalziel was also there, and Em and her family, as
well as Pete's Dad and Sister went on to say how much they'd
appreciated all the postings here and on t'other newsgroup, and how
much these postings had meant to them, had shown them a side of Pete
which none of them had known about.
It was very moving, very sad yet somehow joyful in the memories.
Thank all of you who posted your memories and your condolences, both
here and elsewhere. It has seriously helped both Pete's family and Emma
and her family in their loss.
RIP Pete.
--
Paul-B
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| Big hit for the 83? Bob Paxton 01:07:10 |
| | Jayski is reporting that the 83 team may be in for a whopping fine for
having sheet metal on the car that failed to meet minimum thickness
requirements.
A question for the more technically minded---how much of a performance
enhancement could this be? I assume the idea is to save some weight
that could then be distributed around the car in such a way as to make
it handle better.
If this could be a significant performance advantage, then I can see
where a really big fine would be in order.
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Friday, 24 October 2008
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| Driver Rankings - after Shanghai Brian Lawrence 22:20:17 |
| | Driver Rankings after Shanghai 2008
===================================
Numbers in brackets () in second column indicate table positions before
adding the most recent GP (IE the change in table position).
GPs - number of GPs counted for each driver (from the last 100)
[-1] [+1], etc. - number of GPs deleted/added to driver's record since
the last event
PP - number of Pole Positions (in the last 100)
W - number of Wins (in the last 100)
FL - number of Fastest Laps (in the last 100)
Points - these are 'my' points, allocated for many & various things, not
just wins, poles, f.laps, etc.
[Change] - the change in points after adding the most recent GP data
** - current drivers
The Last 100 GPs (~5.5 years)
=============================
First race (#1) - Austrian GP, 18 May 2003 (GP #703)
Last race (#100) - Chinese GP, 19 October 2008 (GP #802)
Headlines
=========
Robert Kubica enters the top 10 at the expense of Jarno Trulli. Timo
Glock breaks into the top 20.
Driver GPs [Ch] PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 Kimi RÄikkÆnen 99 16 16 33 5008.48 [-2.26] **
2 Fernando Alonso 99 16 21 11 4941.70 [-43.22] **
3 Felipe Massa 87 [+1] 14 10 10 4678.49 [+17.84] **
4 Lewis Hamilton 34 [+1] 13 9 3 3780.02 [+306.68] **
5 Michael Schumacher 66 [-1] 15 25 23 2685.99 [-90.10]
6 Nick Heidfeld 94 1 - 2 1947.68 [+13.24] **
7 Giancarlo Fisichella 98 2 2 1 1717.85 [-16.49] **
8 Rubens Barrichello 99 6 4 5 1686.86 [-23.97] **
9 Jenson Button 95 3 1 - 1593.97 [-17.32] **
10 (11) Robert Kubica 38 [+1] 1 1 - 1524.53 [+22.63] **
11 (10) Jarno Trulli 98 2 1 - 1490.74 [-29.85] **
12 Heikki Kovalainen 34 [+1] 1 1 2 1311.04 [+5.35] **
13 Mark Webber 99 - - - 1223.13 [+0.10] **
14 David Coulthard 99 - - - 1198.26 [-1.22] **
15 (16) Nico Rosberg 52 [+1] - - 1 997.44 [+6.03] **
16 (15) Juan Pablo Montoya 52 [-1] 3 6 6 966.68 [-36.96]
17 Ralf Schumacher 74 [-1] 4 2 2 947.32 [-29.48]
18 Takuma Sato 70 - - - 750.00 [-16.08]
19 Sebastian Vettel 25 [+1] 1 1 - 741.00 [+16.48] **
20 (21) Timo Glock 21 [+1] - - - 475.41 [+29.54] **
21 (20) Vitantonio Liuzzi 39 - - - 463.93 [-7.35]
22 Adrian Sutil 34 [+1] - - - 441.96 [+1.21] **
23 Christijan Albers 45 - - - 424.22 [-8.18]
24 Kazuki Nakajima 18 [+1] - - - 411.28 [+20.10] **
25 Nelsinho Piquet 17 [+1] - - - 399.86 [+25.71] **
26 Tiago Monteiro 36 - - - 360.05 [-7.83]
27 Christian Klien 46 - - - 350.05 [-9.39]
28 Jacques Villeneuve 43 [-1] - - - 347.28 [-9.69]
29 (30) SÈbastien Bourdais 17 [+1] - - - 334.85 [+21.00] **
30 (29) Alexander Wurz 17 - - - 315.09 [-4.57]
31 Scott Speed 28 - - - 293.86 [-4.81]
32 Anthony Davidson 22 - - - 292.07 [-3.85]
33 Pedro de la Rosa 9 - - 1 191.62 [-3.42]
34 Sakon Yamamoto 14 - - - 159.50 [-2.17]
35 Narain Karthikeyan 19 - - - 150.12 [-3.83]
36 Robert Doornbos 11 - - - 116.25 [-2.28]
37 Olivier Panis 27 [-1] - - - 82.38 [-5.77]
38 Antonio Pizzonia 15 [-1] - - - 71.92 [-3.13]
39 Zsolt Baumgartner 20 - - - 71.05 [-3.59]
40 Patrick Friesacher 11 - - - 61.35 [-1.72]
41 Gianmaria Bruni 18 - - - 58.18 [-2.80]
42 Cristiano da Matta 22 [-1] - - - 51.97 [-5.23]
43 Franck Montagny 7 - - - 49.94 [-0.89]
44 Giorgio Pantano 14 - - - 37.80 [-2.07]
45 Yuji Ide 4 - - - 28.44 [-0.56]
46 Ricardo Zonta 5 - - - 24.12 [-0.91]
47 (48) Marc GenÈ 3 - - - 14.09 [-0.91]
48 (47) Heinz-H. Frentzen 10 [-1] - - - 13.46 [-1.91]
49 Jos Verstappen 11 [-1] - - - 12.31 [-2.09]
50 Justin Wilson 11 [-1] - - - 11.12 [-2.07]
51 Nicholas Kiesa 5 - - - 10.09 [-1.12]
52 (53) Markus Winkelhock 1 - - - 9.69 [-0.13]
53 (52) Ralph Firman 9 [-1] - - - 8.25 [-1.85]
Fifty three drivers have driven in the last 100 GPs.
The last 156 weeks (3 years)
============================
First race (#1) - Bahrain GP, 12 March 2006 (GP #751)
Last race (#52) - Chinese GP, 19 October 2008 (GP #802)
Headlines
=========
Lewis Hamilton scored very highly in Shanghai and jumps from fourth
to second. Fernando Alonso falls from second to fourth. The oldest
race within the 156-week 'window' moves from 2005 into 2006.
Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 Felipe Massa 51 14 10 10 4413.43 [+7.39] **
2 (4) Lewis Hamilton 34 [+1] 13 9 3 3780.02 [+306.68] **
3 Kimi RÄikkÆnen 52 8 8 19 3773.49 [-12.29] **
4 (2) Fernando Alonso 52 8 13 8 3761.59 [-145.28] **
5 Nick Heidfeld 52 [+1] - - 2 1672.84 [+24.70] **
6 Robert Kubica 38 [+1] 1 1 - 1524.53 [+22.63] **
7 Michael Schumacher 18 [-1] 4 7 7 1469.87 [-29.87]
8 Heikki Kovalainen 34 [+1] 1 1 2 1311.04 [+5.35] **
9 Giancarlo Fisichella 51 1 1 - 1215.26 [-36.48] **
10 Jenson Button 52 1 1 - 1080.27 [-10.85] **
11 Jarno Trulli 52 - - - 1033.24 [-21.69] **
12 Nico Rosberg 52 [+1] - - 1 997.44 [+6.03] **
13 Rubens Barrichello 51 - - - 951.21 [-0.00] **
14 Mark Webber 52 - - - 910.44 [-3.90] **
15 David Coulthard 52 - - - 888.94 [+1.07] **
16 Sebastian Vettel 25 [+1] 1 1 - 741.00 [+16.48] **
17 (18) Takuma Sato 38 [-1] - - - 525.81 [-13.60]
18 (17) Ralf Schumacher 35 [-1] - - - 515.69 [-37.40]
19 (21) Timo Glock 17 [+1] - - - 449.72 [+30.56] **
20 (20) Adrian Sutil 34 [+1] - - - 441.96 [+1.21] **
22 Kazuki Nakajima 18 [+1] - - - 411.28 [+20.10] **
23 Nelsinho Piquet 17 [+1] - - - 399.86 [+25.71] **
24 SÈbastien Bourdais 17 [+1] - - - 334.85 [+21.00] **
Thirty eight drivers have driven in the last three years (156 weeks).
Since Fuji Antonio Pizzonia and Narain Karthikeyan have dropped out.
The last 104 weeks (2 years)
============================
First race (#1) - Brazilian GP, 22 October 2006 (GP #768)
Last race (#35) - Chinese GP, 19 October 2008 (GP #802)
Headlines
=========
Calendar variations mean that the number of races within the 104-week
'window' increases again from 34 to 35, meaning that almost all
drivers count an additional race and most of them gain points.
Hamilton moves into the number one position.
Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 (2) Lewis Hamilton 34 [+1] 13 9 3 3780.02 [+306.68] **
2 (1) Felipe Massa 34 [+1] 12 9 8 3677.93 [+39.15] **
3 Kimi RÄikkÆnen 35 [+1] 5 8 16 3156.66 [+50.77] **
4 Fernando Alonso 35 [+1] 2 6 3 2309.98 [+22.66] **
5 Robert Kubica 34 [+1] 1 1 - 1436.91 [+24.02] **
6 Nick Heidfeld 35 [+1] - - 2 1397.73 [+29.51] **
7 Heikki Kovalainen 34 [+1] 1 1 2 1311.04 [+5.35] **
8 Nico Rosberg 35 [+1] - - - 825.62 [+9.10] **
9 Jarno Trulli 35 [+1] - - - 791.08 [-6.04] **
10 Sebastian Vettel 25 [+1] 1 1 - 741.00 [+16.48] **
11 Mark Webber 35 [+1] - - - 729.28 [+16.00] **
12 Rubens Barrichello 34 [+1] - - - 666.88 [+16.58] **
13 David Coulthard 35 [+1] - - - 646.77 [+16.89] **
14 Giancarlo Fisichella 34 [+1] - - - 624.73 [+11.13] **
15 Jenson Button 35 [+1] - - - 617.15 [+11.45] **
16 (17) Timo Glock 17 [+1] - - - 449.72 [+30.56] **
17 (16) Adrian Sutil 34 [+1] - - - 441.96 [+1.21] **
18 Kazuki Nakajima 18 [+1] - - - 411.28 [+20.10] **
19 Nelsinho Piquet 17 [+1] - - - 399.86 [+25.71] **
20 Takuma Sato 22 - - - 368.09 [-4.81]
21 SÈbastien Bourdais 17 [+1] - - - 334.85 [+21.00] **
Thirty three drivers have driven in the last two years (104 weeks).
The last 52 weeks (1 year)
==========================
First race (#1) - Brazilian GP, 21 October 2007 (GP #785)
Last race (#18) - Chinese GP, 19 October 2008 (GP #802)
Headlines
=========
Calendar variations mean that the number of races within the 52-week
'window' increases from 17 to 18. This means that all drivers add a
race and most gain points. Once again Hamilton takes over at number
one.
Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 (2) Lewis Hamilton 18 [+1] 7 5 1 2078.84 [+329.34] **
2 (1) Felipe Massa 18 [+1] 6 5 2 2065.79 [+61.35] **
3 Kimi RÄikkÆnen 18 [+1] 2 3 11 1624.01 [+71.43] **
4 Robert Kubica 18 [+1] 1 1 - 1044.50 [+29.30] **
5 Heikki Kovalainen 18 [+1] 1 1 2 888.85 [+10.95] **
6 Nick Heidfeld 18 [+1] - - 2 849.20 [+36.91] **
7 Fernando Alonso 18 [+1] - 2 - 837.44 [+42.65] **
8 Sebastian Vettel 18 [+1] 1 1 - 603.83 [+18.23] **
9 Jarno Trulli 18 [+1] - - - 522.82 [-2.44] **
10 Nico Rosberg 18 [+1] - - - 513.16 [+13.29] **
11 Mark Webber 18 [+1] - - - 466.50 [+19.50] **
12 Timo Glock 17 [+1] - - - 449.72 [+30.56] **
13 Kazuki Nakajima 18 [+1] - - - 411.28 [+20.10] **
14 Nelsinho Piquet 17 [+1] - - - 399.86 [+25.71] **
15 Rubens Barrichello 17 [+1] - - - 379.58 [+20.46] **
16 David Coulthard 18 [+1] - - - 374.19 [+20.51] **
17 (18) SÈbastien Bourdais 17 [+1] - - - 334.85 [+21.00] **
18 (17) Jenson Button 18 [+1] - - - 333.62 [+15.29] **
19 Giancarlo Fisichella 18 [+1] - - - 270.24 [+15.97] **
20 Adrian Sutil 18 [+1] - - - 233.33 [+3.99] **
Twenty five drivers have driven in the last year (52 weeks).
Number of GP wins in each period
================================
Last 156 104 52
100 weeks weeks weeks
=========================================================
Michael Schumacher 25 [-1] 7 - -
Fernando Alonso 21 13 [-1] 6 2
Kimi RÄikkÆnen 16 8 8 3
Felipe Massa 10 10 9 5
Lewis Hamilton 9 [+1] 9 [+1] 9 [+1] 5 [+1]
Juan Pablo Montoya 6 - - -
Rubens Barrichello 4 - - -
Giancarlo Fisichella 2 1 - -
Ralf Schumacher 2 - - -
Robert Kubica 1 1 1 1
Heikki Kovalainen 1 1 1 1
Sebastian Vettel 1 1 1 1
Jenson Button 1 1 - -
Jarno Trulli 1 - - -
---------------------------------------------------------
100 52 35 [+1] 18 [+1]
All-time Top 60
===============
The addition of the 2008 Chinese GP results only changes the career
averages for the six current drivers who are ranked in the all-time
top 60 (Alonso, RÄikkÆnen, Massa, Hamilton, Coulthard & Barrichello).
Hamilton's 'hat-trick' weekend sees him rise from 23rd to 21st
[Note that from Australia 2009 he will be in a position to rise
by many places as his full average comes into play - currently
it would be 124.68, ranking him fifth.]
RÄikkÆnen and Massa see a small increase in their averages, while
the other three fall slightly.
Current drivers are indicated by a '*'. Their averages are volatile and
will fluctuate from race to race.
Drivers with a limited number of starts are indicated by '%1', '%2' or
'%3' showing those with 25%, 50% and 75% of their respective averages.
Laps Laps Total Race
GPs PP W FL Led Raced Points Avg. WDC
====================================================================
1. Juan Manuel Fangio 51 30 23 23 1348 3031 9707 190.33 5
2. Alberto Ascari 31 14 13 13 925 1650 5455 175.98 2
3. Jim Clark 72 33 25 28 1943 3923 10622 147.53 2
4. Michael Schumacher 246 67 91 76 4996 13788 31350 127.44 7
5. Ayrton Senna 158 63 41 20 2967 8054 18243 115.46 3
6. Stirling Moss 64 16 16 18 1181 3304 6666 104.15 0
7. Giuseppe Farina 33 5 5 5 338 1827 3427 103.83 1
8. Jackie Stewart 99 17 27 15 1921 5216 9875 99.75 3
9. Alain Prost 198 33 51 41 2680 10485 19547 98.72 4
10. Damon Hill 114 20 22 19 1358 5778 9747 85.50 1
11. Fernando Alonso * 120 17 21 11 1219 6698 9587 79.89 2
12. Froilan GonzÀlez %3 26 3 2 6 272 1273 2058 79.15 0
13. Nigel Mansell 185 32 31 29 2077 8705 13827 74.74 1
14. Kimi RÄikkÆnen * 137 16 17 35 1025 6965 10019 73.13 1
15. Mike Hawthorn 44 4 3 6 223 2341 3165 71.92 1
16. Mika HÄkkinen 160 25 20 25 1479 7656 11352 70.95 2
17. Juan Pablo Montoya 91 13 7 12 595 4726 6219 68.34 0
18. Niki Lauda 167 24 25 24 1592 8033 11167 66.87 3
19. Felipe Massa * 103 14 10 10 742 5726 6580 63.88 0
20. Nelson Piquet 202 24 23 23 1566 9773 12809 63.41 3
21. Lewis Hamilton %2 * 34 13 9 3 615 2031 4239 62.34 0
22. Jack Brabham 125 13 14 12 818 6109 7765 62.12 3
23. Phil Hill 48 6 3 6 171 2413 2958 61.62 1
24. James Hunt 92 14 10 8 634 3890 5385 58.53 1
25. Tony Brooks 38 3 6 3 133 1601 2216 58.30 0
26. Jochen Rindt 60 10 6 3 387 2516 3384 56.40 1
27. Jacky Ickx 115 13 8 14 529 5646 6174 53.69 0
28. Wolfgang von Trips 27 1 2 0 156 1341 1448 53.61 0
29. Jody Scheckter 111 3 10 5 675 6034 5778 52.06 1
30. Ronnie Peterson 123 14 10 9 704 5686 6282 51.08 0
31. Carlos Reutemann 144 6 12 6 645 6943 7322 50.84 0
32. Graham Hill 176 13 14 10 1102 8759 8888 50.50 2
33. Denny Hulme 112 1 8 9 435 6231 5642 50.38 1
34. Mario Andretti 127 18 12 10 798 5273 6318 49.75 1
35. Gilles Villeneuve 65 2 6 8 534 3186 3220 49.55 0
36. Alan Jones 116 6 12 13 589 5565 5672 48.90 1
37. David Coulthard * 244 12 13 18 897 12312 11877 48.68 0
38. Richie Ginther 52 0 1 3 116 2930 2518 48.42 0
39. John Surtees 111 8 6 11 308 4977 5262 47.41 1
40. Gerhard Berger 210 12 10 21 692 9783 9871 47.00 0
41. Emerson Fittipaldi 144 6 14 6 478 7285 6662 46.26 2
42. Clay Regazzoni 132 5 5 15 360 6596 6034 45.71 0
43. RenÈ Arnoux 149 18 7 12 506 6613 6757 45.35 0
44. Peter Revson 30 1 2 0 63 1565 1354 45.14 0
45. Jacques Villeneuve 161 12 11 9 627 8180 7211 44.79 1
46. Rubens Barrichello * 264 13 9 15 741 13391 11586 43.89 0
47. Dan Gurney 86 3 4 6 200 3673 3756 43.68 0
48. Peter Collins 32 0 3 0 127 1400 1372 42.87 0
49. Luigi Musso 24 0 1 1 6 1136 1000 41.68 0
50. Didier Pironi 69 3 3 5 295 3352 2850 41.31 0
51. FranÃois Cevert 46 0 1 2 129 2369 1892 41.14 0
52. Lorenzo Bandini 42 1 1 2 143 2260 1702 40.52 0
53. Luigi Villoresi 31 0 0 1 2 1533 1253 40.41 0
54. Bruce McLaren 101 0 4 3 41 5092 4031 39.91 0
55. Ralf Schumacher 180 5 6 8 358 9138 7136 39.65 0
56. Piero Taruffi %3 18 0 1 1 46 793 933 38.87 0
57. Keke Rosberg 112 4 5 3 510 5178 4250 37.95 1
58. Luigi Fagioli %2 7 0 1 0 8 351 515 36.77 0
59. Patrick Depailler 95 1 2 4 164 4635 3426 36.06 0
60. Jacques Laffite 173 7 6 6 283 7970 6228 36.00 0
Other current drivers
=====================
Five drivers merit a full average but are below the top 60.
... Jenson Button 151 3 1 0 100 7698 4795 31.75 0
... Giancarlo Fisichella 210 3 3 2 210 10442 6426 30.60 0
... Nick Heidfeld 149 1 0 2 25 7894 4272 28.67 0
... Jarno Trulli 199 2 1 0 158 9817 5405 27.16 0
... Mark Webber 120 0 0 0 10 5691 2692 22.43 0
Heidfeld improved slightly.
Nine drivers have insufficient starts to qualify for a full average.
... Robert Kubica %2 38 1 1 0 74 2204 1707 22.46 0
... Heikki Kovalainen %2 34 1 1 2 31 1963 1429 21.02 0
... Nico Rosberg %3 52 0 0 1 11 2625 1218 17.57 0
... Sebastian Vettel %2 25 1 1 0 52 1134 780 15.61 0
... Timo Glock %2 21 0 0 0 3 1122 557 13.26 0
... Adrian Sutil %2 34 0 0 0 0 1371 499 7.34 0
... Nelsinho Piquet %1 17 0 0 0 13 776 401 5.90 0
... Kazuki Nakajima %1 18 0 0 0 0 1025 421 5.84 0
... SÈbastien Bourdais %1 17 0 0 0 3 817 337 4.95 0
Glock, Piquet and Bourdais improved a little.
--
Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
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Wednesday, 22 October 2008
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| Re: OT - Simona Fusco...Topless! Bryon Lape 02:39:49 |
| | Dixon Hand <dixonhand@rocketmail.com> wrote in news:a14913ae-a02e-42b9-
9587-22c1717d8d72@17g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:
Nice stomach.
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| Hamilton hat-trick Brian Lawrence 01:06:57 |
| | Pole, fastest lap & win.
His second after Japan 2007.
The 138th time in F1.
M Schumacher 22
Clark 11
Prost 8
Ascari 7
Fangio 7
Senna 7
Mansell 5
D Hill 5
Stewart 4
Ickx 4
HÄkkinen 4
Moss 3
Brabham 3
Surtees 3
Lauda 3
Piquet 3
Alonso 3
Massa 3
G Hill 2
Hunt 2
Jones 2
Laffite 2
Andretti 2
Berger 2
J Villenueve 2
Barrichello 2
RÄikkÆnen 2
Farina 1
Vukovich 1
P Hill 1
Brooks 1
Siffert 1
Rindt 1
Peterson 1
Reutemann 1
Regazzoni 1
G Villeneuve 1
Coulthard 1
Montoya 1
It's the 18th instance in the last five years:
M Schumacher 714 AUS 2004
M Schumacher 716 BRN 2004
M Schumacher 718 ESP 2004
M Schumacher 720 EUR 2004
M Schumacher 726 HUN 2004
R Barrichello 728 ITA 2004
F Alonso 758 GBR 2006
M Schumacher 760 USA 2006
M Schumacher 761 FRA 2006
K RÄikkÆnen 769 AUS 2007
F Massa 771 BRN 2007
F Massa 772 ESP 2007
F Alonso 773 MON 2007
F Alonso 781 ITA 2007
L Hamilton 783 JPN 2007
K RÄikkÆnen 789 ESP 2008
F Massa 797 EUR 2008
L Hamilton 802 CHN 2008
Hamilton also led every lap except for three at the time of his
first pit stop. This achievement is sometimes termed a grand
slam. It has been achieved by a driver 48 times.
Clark 8
Ascari 5
M Schumacher 5
Stewart 4
Senna 4
Mansell 4
Piquet 3
Fangio 2
Brabham 2
Hawthorn 1
Moss 1
Siffert 1
Ickx 1
Regazzoni 1
Lauda 1
Laffite 1
G Villeneuve 1
D Hill 1
Berger 1
HÄkkinen 1
Only two instances in the last five years:
M Schumacher 714 AUS 2004
M Schumacher 726 HUN 2004
Hamilton missed a grand slam by only three laps, but those three
were led by his team mate so McLaren achieved a team GS for the
33rd time in their history. They are second to Ferrari who have
39. I don't have the complete data for teams. McLaren's last
was at Melbourne this year, while Ferrari did it in France this
year.
--
Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
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| Re: RPG - Martinsville - McCoy <1><9> John McCoy 01:06:57 |
| | Well, better score this...
John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:Xns9B3A6059472A8pogosupernews@216.168.3.30:
The Win: This track hasn't been too friendly to anyone other than Johnson and Gordon in recent years...but one guy who's run strong most races is Jeff Burton. So I'll pick Burton to make like Biffle and win 2 in a row.
Don't think Burton was ever in contention, but the pit road
penalty killed it.
Top Ford: The Roush cars tend to suck here. I'll pick Biffle for top finishing Ford, only because I like him. It wouldn't be a surprise to see all 5 Roush cars outside the T10 (that latter not being part of the RPG, just an observation).
Edwards & Kenseth made the T10, Biffle did not.
Top Dodge: Kurt Busch. The last Ford guy to do well at Martinsville, and he's been showing some life in the Penske Dodges too the last couple of races.
JPM. Wouldn't have guessed that. I will guess that Busch hit
something/was hit, since he was many laps off the pace at the
end (I didn't see the race, unfortunately).
Top Toyota: Tony Stewart. The other non-Hendrick driver (beside Burton) who's had success here, and it looks like the team has recovered a bit of focus for the last few races.
Hamlin (who I'd almost picked for this, actually). For Stewart,
I assume the same as for Busch, above.
Top Rookie: We have Speed, McCumbee, and Almirola added to the usual (and now very short) list. I'll pick Almirola for the top rookie.
A point! Yay.
Story: since I'm doing this before quals, I'll make a qualifying RPG (and that way be down one before the race even starts). Sterling Marlin will succeed in qualifying James Finch's car, meaning one of the normal suspects will go home (not part of the RPG, but the go home cars will be Derrike Cope and either McCumbee or Raines).
Well, we all know he woulda did if they'd actually qual'd. I see
on Jayski that this sets the record for most rainouts, for the
4th time this year (this being #9, most previous 5). While
NASCAR can't do anything about the rain, they need to start
thinking about ways to work around rain...starting 1/4 of the
races by points order is ridiculous.
race: +1
chase: +9
John
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Tuesday, 21 October 2008
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| Laguna lap times Pe.Rhodes 20:09:20 |
| | After reading that Eddie Lawson won a SuperKart race at Laguna Seca this year, I wondered how fast his Yamaha was traveling, but couldn't find out! I even found a great web info site, but no bike lap times are on it! However, I made a list up to show how fast it been done: Superkart 2003 Kevin Schwantz 1:23:875 Superbike 2007 Matt Mladin 1:23:105 MotoGP 2008 Casey Stoner 1:21:488 Indy car 2007 Helio Castronevis 1:07:07 F1 Toyota (exhibition) 1:06:30 But how fast was Eddie going this year?
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| Engine Usage after 17 events - Shanghai Brian Lawrence 16:05:06 |
| | Engine Usage after 17 events - Shanghai
=======================================
E# - Number of engines used by driver/team/engine supplier in 2008
Km. - Distance covered in practice/qualifying/race in 2008
Avg. - Average distance per engine in 2008
NENGP - New Engine at Next GP
FCNGP - "Free" engine Change at Next GP
Averages in [] indicate that the driver/team/engine supplier is halfway
through a two-race cycle.
All data from www.fia.com and/or www.forix.autosport.com.
Note that at the time of posting FORIX has not loaded the usual
engine summary page, so I have calculated laps, kilometers, etc.
myself.
C# Driver(s) Engine E# Km. Avg. Next
==================================================================
18 Takuma Sato Honda RA808E 2 1,548 [774] -----
19 Anthony Davidson Honda RA808E 2 1,145 [573] -----
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
3 Nick Heidfeld BMW P86/8 9 8,166 [907]
4 Robert Kubica BMW P86/8 9 7,876 875 NENGP
7 Nico Rosberg Toyota RVX-08 9 7,827 [870]
11 Jarno Trulli Toyota RVX-08 9 7,671 852 NENGP
5 Fernando Alonso Renault RS27 9 7,481 831 NENGP
22 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes FO108V 9 7,410 [823]
8 Kazuki Nakajima Toyota RVX-08 9 7,208 [801]
17 Rubens Barrichello Honda RA808E 9 6,933 770 NENGP
14 Sebastien Bourdais Ferrari 056 9 6,916 768 NENGP
16 Jenson Button Honda RA808E 9 6,712 746 NENGP
15 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 056 9 6,567 730 NENGP
6 Nelsinho Piquet Renault RS27 9 6,388 709 NENGP
21 Giancarlo Fisichella Ferrari 056 9 6,065 674 NENGP
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
12 Timo Glock Toyota RVX-08 10 7,710 771 NENGP
2 Felipe Massa Ferrari 056 10 7,641 764 NENGP
1 Kimi RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 056 10 7,542 755 NENGP
23 Heikki Kovalainen Mercedes FO108V 10 7,327 [733] FCNGP
10 Mark Webber Renault RS27 10 7,304 [730]
9 David Coulthard Renault RS27 10 6,499 [650]
20 Adrian Sutil Ferrari 056 10 5,489 [549] FCNGP
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191 145,425 [761]
Team Engine E# Km. Avg.
==================================================
Super Aguri Honda RA808E 4 2,693 [673] -----
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
BMW Sauber BMW P86/8 18 16,042 [891]
Williams Toyota RVX-08 18 15,035 [835]
Renault Renault RS27 18 13,869 770
Honda Honda RA808E 18 13,645 758
Toro Rosso Ferrari 056 18 13,483 749
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Toyota Toyota RVX-08 19 15,381 810
McLaren Mercedes FO108V 19 14,737 [776]
Force India Ferrari 056 19 11,554 [708]
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Ferrari Ferrari 056 20 15,183 759
Red Bull Renault RS27 20 13,803 [690]
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191 145,425 [761]
Engine E# Km. Avg. Team(s)
============================================================
BMW P86/8 18 16,042 [891] BMW Sauber
Toyota RVX-08 37 30,416 [822] Toyota, Williams
Mercedes FO108V 19 14,737 [776] McLaren
Honda RA808E 22 16,338 743 Honda, [Super Aguri]
Renault RS27 38 27,672 [728] Renault, Red Bull
Ferrari 056 57 40,220 [706] Ferrari, Toro Rosso, Force India
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191 145,425 [761]
1000km engines
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There have been eleven engines that have clocked up over 1000km
in their two races:
km Engine Driver Events
============================================
1029 Toyota 11 Trulli 02/MAL & 03/BRN
1007 Toyota 12 Glock 11/HUN & 12/EUR
1019 BMW 4 Kubica 12/EUR & 13/BEL
1067 Ferrari 14 Bourdais 12/EUR & 13/BEL
1030 Ferrari 15 Vettel 12/EUR & 13/BEL
1094 BMW 3 Heidfeld 13/BEL & 14/ITA
1020 Toyota 7 Rosberg 13/BEL & 14/ITA
1086 Toyota 12 Glock 13/BEL & 14/ITA
1013 Ferrari 15 Vettel 14/ITA & 15/SIN
1009 Ferrari 14 Bourdais 16/JPN & 17/CHN
1001 Ferrari 15 Vettel 16/JPN & 17/CHN
Forced Engine Changes (Incurring 10-place penalty)
==================================================
For 2008 the penalty is waived for the first such change of the season for
each driver. This waiver will not apply in the last event of the season.
Waivers are indicated below by a * before the car number - known in the
paddock as 'joker' changes.
GP Engine C# Team Driver When
====================================================================
01 AUS Ferrari 056 * 20 Force India A Sutil After Qual
02 MAL Ferrari 056 * 14 Toro Rosso S Bourdais After P3
09 GBR Ferrari 056 * 1 Ferrari K RÄikkÆnen Pre-event
14 ITA Renault RS27 * 10 Red Bull M Webber Pre-event
14 ITA Ferrari 056 * 2 Ferrari F Massa After Qual
15 SIN Mercedes F0108V * 23 McLaren H Kovalainen Pre-event
16 JPN Toyota RVX-08 * 12 Toyota T Glock Pre-event
17 CHN Renault RS27 10 Red Bull M Webber After P3
Number of forced changes
========================
Ferrari 4 (all penalty free)
Renault 2 (one free)
Mercedes 1 (penalty free)
Toyota 1 (penalty free)
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8
'Free' Engine Changes (No penalty - driver failed to finish)
============================================================
GP Engine C# Team Driver
=======================================================
02 MAL Ferrari 056 1 Ferrari K RÄikkÆnen
02 MAL Ferrari 056 2 Ferrari F Massa
02 MAL BMW P86/8 4 BMW Sauber R Kubica
02 MAL Renault RS27 6 Renault N Piquet
02 MAL Renault RS27 9 Red Bull D Coulthard
02 MAL Toyota RVX-08 11 Toyota J Trulli
02 MAL Toyota RVX-08 12 Toyota T Glock
04 ESP Ferrari 056 17 Toro Rosso S Vettel
06 MON Ferrari 056 21 Force India G Fisichella
07 CDN Renault RS27 9 Red Bull D Coulthard
08 FRA Renault RS27 5 Renault F Alonso
10 GER Honda RA808E 16 Honda J Button
11 HUN Toyota RVX-08 12 Toyota T Glock
14 ITA Ferrari 056 1 Ferrari K RÄikkÆnen
14 ITA Honda RA808E 17 Honda R Barrichello
14 ITA Mercedes FO108V 23 McLaren H Kovalainen
Number of 'free' changes
========================
Ferrari 5
Renault 4
Toyota 3
Honda 2
BMW 1
Mercedes 1
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16
Gearbox Usage
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Jo Bauer's Technical Report (click on 'Scrutineering Reports' on this page):
"http://www.fia.com/en-
GB/mediacentre/pressinformation/f1pressinfo/china/Pages/china.aspx"
says that Heidfeld, Alonso and Nakajima started the event with new
gearboxes after completing four races with their previous 'box.
Coulthard, Glock, Sutil, Fisichella & Kovalainen were allowed a
free change after failing to finish at Fuji.
Gearbox Penalties
=================
01 AUS Timo Glock Toyota after P3
06 MON Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso pre-event
06 MON G Fisichella Force India after P3
06 MON David Coulthard Red Bull after qual
07 CDN Sebastien Bourdais Toro Rosso after P3
07 CDN Jenson Button Honda after qual
07 CDN Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso after qual
08 FRA Rubens Barrichello Honda after qual
The penalty is a five-place grid demotion.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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| Best Lap Comparison - Shanghai Brian Lawrence 14:40:11 |
| | These are the fastest laps set by each driver over the whole event.
Chinese GP 17-19 October 2008
Team Driver Sess Time
============================================
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q2 1'34.947
Ferrari Massa Q2 1'35.135
McLaren-Mercedes Kovalainen Q2 1'35.216
Ferrari RÄikkÆnen Q2 1'35.355
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel Q2 1'35.386
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld Q2 1'35.403
Renault Alonso Q2 1'35.461
T Rosso-Ferrari Bourdais Q2 1'35.478
Red Bull-Renault Webber Q2 1'35.686
Toyota Trulli Q2 1'35.715
Renault Piquet Q2 1'35.722
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q2 1'35.814
Toyota Glock Q2 1'35.937
Honda Barrichello Q2 1'36.079
Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q2 1'36.210
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3 1'36.712
Williams-Toyota Nakajima P3 1'36.713
Honda Button P3 1'36.958
F India-Ferrari Fisichella P2 1'37.473
F India-Ferrari Sutil P2 1'37.617
2007/2008 Comparison
====================
How does the fastest lap of the whole weekend (3 practice sessions, 3 qualifying
segments and the race) compare to the fastest lap of the weekend in 2007?
Here are two tables - one compares driver with driver; easy enough if the same
driver remains in the same team. If not, compare the 2007 driver with the guy
who replaced him.
'S' is the session when the best lap was achieved (P1/P2/P3/Q1/Q2/Q3/R)
'Lps' are the total laps in all sessions (2007 excludes any third drivers)
'Diff' is the gain/loss in seconds
'%Diff' is the difference in time as a percentage of the 2007 time
A negative Diff/%Diff mean that the driver/team improved. Positive means they
got worse.
There can be several reasons for the variations seen.
Apologies if the tables wrap - save it and reformat if you are interested.
Note: Spyker-Ferrari was renamed to Force India-Ferrari, all other team names
remain the same.
2007 2008
Team Driver S Lps Time Driver S Lps Time Diff. %Diff
========================================================================================
Renault Fisichella Q1 128 1'37.290 Alonso Q2 153 1'35.461 -1.829 -1.88
[Spyker-Ferrari] Yamamoto Q1 146 1'39.336 Fisichella P2 146 1'37.473 -1.863 -1.88
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel Q2 145 1'36.891 Vettel Q2 153 1'35.386 -1.505 -1.55
T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q2 144 1'36.862 Bourdais Q2 158 1'35.478 -1.384 -1.43
Renault Kovalainen Q2 120 1'36.991 Piquet Q2 156 1'35.722 -1.269 -1.31
Toyota Trulli Q2 154 1'36.959 Trulli Q2 99 1'35.715 -1.244 -1.28
Honda Barrichello Q1 143 1'37.251 Barrichello Q2 154 1'36.079 -1.172 -1.21
[Spyker-Ferrari] Sutil Q1 115 1'38.668 Sutil P2 99 1'37.617 -1.051 -1.07
Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q1 142 1'37.144 Rosberg Q2 149 1'36.210 -0.934 -0.96
Red Bull-Renault Webber Q2 148 1'36.602 Webber Q2 151 1'35.686 -0.916 -0.95
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q1 113 1'35.798 Hamilton Q2 142 1'34.947 -0.851 -0.89
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld Q2 124 1'36.217 Heidfeld Q2 151 1'35.403 -0.814 -0.85
Toyota Schumacher Q2 121 1'36.709 Glock Q2 156 1'35.937 -0.772 -0.80
Williams-Toyota Wurz Q1 109 1'37.456 Nakajima P3 139 1'36.713 -0.743 -0.76
Ferrari Massa Q1 136 1'35.792 Massa Q2 143 1'35.135 -0.657 -0.69
McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q1 131 1'35.809 Kovalainen Q2 135 1'35.216 -0.593 -0.62
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q2 138 1'36.116 Kubica Q2 150 1'35.814 -0.302 -0.31
Ferrari RÄikkÆnen Q2 143 1'35.381 RÄikkÆnen Q2 143 1'35.355 -0.026 -0.03
Honda Button Q2 156 1'36.771 Button P3 144 1'36.958 +0.187 +0.19
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard Q2 143 1'36.252 Coulthard P3 139 1'36.712 +0.460 +0.48
S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q1 96 1'37.203
S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 137 1'38.218
Notes: Eighteen driver combinations improved compared to last year, with
only Button and Coulthard unable to go any faster.
The second table takes the best lap time from both drivers in each team and
compares with the equivalent team last season. Probably a better comparison.
2007 2008
Team Driver S Lps Time Driver S Lps Time Diff. %Diff
========================================================================================
Renault Kovalainen Q2 248 1'36.991 Alonso Q2 309 1'35.461 -1.530 -1.58
T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q2 289 1'36.862 Vettel Q2 311 1'35.386 -1.476 -1.52
[Spyker-Ferrari] Sutil Q1 261 1'38.668 Fisichella P2 245 1'37.473 -1.195 -1.21
Toyota Schumacher Q2 275 1'36.709 Trulli Q2 255 1'35.715 -0.994 -1.03
Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q1 281 1'37.144 Rosberg Q2 288 1'36.210 -0.934 -0.96
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q1 244 1'35.798 Hamilton Q2 277 1'34.947 -0.851 -0.89
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q2 262 1'36.116 Heidfeld Q2 301 1'35.403 -0.713 -0.74
Honda Button Q2 299 1'36.771 Barrichello Q2 298 1'36.079 -0.692 -0.72
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard Q2 291 1'36.252 Coulthard Q2 290 1'35.686 -0.566 -0.59
Ferrari RÄikkÆnen Q2 279 1'35.381 Massa Q2 286 1'35.135 -0.246 -0.26
S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q1 233 1'37.203
All ten teams improved on their best laps in 2007.
All data from www.formula1.com.
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Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
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| Top Speed Comparison - Shanghai Brian Lawrence 12:45:09 |
| | These are speeds reached during the Qualifying sessions ONLY. The first table compares
the 2005 team/driver with the equivalent 2006 team/driver - the same driver if possible,
otherwise the 2005 driver compared to his 2006 replacement.
The second table compares the overall top speeds reached for each team.
Note: The 2006 qualifying took place in wet conditions, leading to a significant
lowering of top speeds.
Chinese GP 2005-06
2005 2006
Team-Engine Driver km/h Team-Engine Driver km/h Diff. %Dif.
=======================================================================================
McLaren-Mercedes Montoya 332.6 McLaren-Mercedes de la Rosa 309.7 -22.9 -6.9
Red Bull-Cosworth Klien 329.0 Red Bull-Ferrari Doornbos 305.8 -23.2 -7.1
Williams-BMW Webber 322.2 Williams-Cosworth Webber 298.5 -23.7 -7.4
Renault Fisichella 338.2 Renault Fisichella 311.9 -26.3 -7.8
McLaren-Mercedes RÄikkÆnen 332.2 McLaren-Mercedes RÄikkÆnen 306.0 -26.2 -7.9
Renault Alonso 338.9 Renault Alonso 311.5 -27.4 -8.1
Minardi-Cosworth Doornbos 332.2 T Rosso-Cosworth Liuzzi 305.1 -27.1 -8.2
Sauber-Petronas Massa 330.3 BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld 303.3 -27.0 -8.2
Ferrari M Schumacher 334.3 Ferrari M Schumacher 306.9 -27.4 -8.2
Sauber-Petronas Villeneuve 333.8 BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica 306.3 -27.5 -8.2
Toyota Trulli 320.8 Toyota Trulli 294.3 -26.5 -8.3
BAR-Honda Button 329.9 Honda Button 302.0 -27.9 -8.5
Ferrari Barrichello 334.0 Ferrari Massa 305.5 -28.5 -8.5
Red Bull-Cosworth Coulthard 330.8 Red Bull-Ferrari Coulthard 302.0 -28.8 -8.7
Williams-BMW Pizzonia 322.1 Williams-Cosworth Rosberg 294.0 -28.1 -8.7
BAR-Honda Sato 327.5 Honda Barrichello 298.5 -29.0 -8.9
Toyota R Schumacher 323.8 Toyota R Schumacher 294.8 -29.0 -9.0
Minardi-Cosworth Albers 334.1 T Rosso-Cosworth Speed 301.5 -32.6 -9.8
Jordan-Toyota Karthikeyan 329.0 Spyker MF1-Toyota Albers 293.3 -35.7 -10.9
Jordan-Toyota Monteiro 330.4 Spyker MF1-Toyota Monteiro 292.8 -37.6 -11.4
S Aguri-Honda Yamamoto 302.7
S Aguri-Honda Sato 295.6
2005 2006
Team-Engine km/h Team-Engine km/h Diff. %Dif.
=================================================================
McLaren-Mercedes 332.6 McLaren-Mercedes 309.7 -22.9 -6.9
Williams-BMW 322.2 Williams-Cosworth 298.5 -23.7 -7.4
Red Bull-Cosworth 330.8 Red Bull-Ferrari 305.8 -25.0 -7.6
Renault 338.9 Renault 311.9 -27.0 -8.0
Sauber-Petronas 333.8 BMW Sauber-BMW 306.3 -27.5 -8.2
Ferrari 334.3 Ferrari 306.9 -27.4 -8.2
BAR-Honda 329.9 Honda 302.0 -27.9 -8.5
Minardi-Cosworth 334.1 T Rosso-Cosworth 305.1 -29.0 -8.7
Toyota 323.8 Toyota 294.8 -29.0 -9.0
Jordan-Toyota 330.4 Spyker MF1-Toyota 293.3 -37.1 -11.2
S Aguri-Honda 302.7
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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| Re: RPG Martinsville II (Chase VI) TomS +1/+9 Tom S. 07:12:22 |
| | On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:29:11 -0400, Tom S. <tscalfjr@cox.net> wrote: Well, my daughter has lived in Martinsville for 8 years now and I am still waiting for my first "Happy Early Birthday. here's a free one" ticket to the race, so I guess I had better make some picks. Qualifying was rained out, but at least we had some practice, so let's
Let's get this show on the road and see how badly I did......
Winner: DEJr. It is time for him to win his second race of the year.
+0 He tried, but there weren't quite enough green flag laps there at
the end.
1. David Ragan crumpled his primary car and is starting from the back. But the kid has some fire in his belly. He will finish in the
+1 YEA. He pushed it and ended up in 13th.
2. Michael Waltrip seems to race well here for a while and then causes or gets involved in a wreck. He'll hold true to course. Mikey will finish outside the top 30.
+0 Mikey pretty much kept the fenders on it and finished up in 18th.
3. Bobby Labonte isn't showing too much in practice, but he may be sandbagging. Bobby Labonte finished in the top 20.
+0 He was doing pretty good for a while, but stuff happens when you
race in the pack.
4. JPM showed some speed in practice. He'll finish in the top 10.
+0 I meant the top 15. Honest!! Oh, well. 14th is not bad.
5. Snowball's chance in heck that this one will score this week, but I am committed to it this Chase. No more than 5 Chasers in the top
+0 I stopped counting at 6..........
Segment one total - +14
Segment two total - +11
Chase points going in - +8
Race total - +1
Chase Points to Date - +9
Tom S.
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| Re: RPG Martinsville II (Chase VI) TomS Tom S. 23:53:09 |
| | I posted this a few hours ago and don't see it here yet, so I'm going
to assume, my ISP is screwing with it's server again. And mail it
too.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:29:11 -0400, Tom S. <tscalfjr@cox.net> wrote:
Well, my daughter has lived in Martinsville for 8 years now and I am still waiting for my first "Happy Early Birthday. here's a free one" ticket to the race, so I guess I had better make some picks. Qualifying was rained out, but at least we had some practice, so let's give it a shot. Winner: DEJr. It is time for him to win his second race of the year. 1. David Ragan crumpled his primary car and is starting from the back. But the kid has some fire in his belly. He will finish in the top 15. 2. Michael Waltrip seems to race well here for a while and then causes or gets involved in a wreck. He'll hold true to course. Mikey will finish outside the top 30. 3. Bobby Labonte isn't showing too much in practice, but he may be sandbagging. Bobby Labonte finished in the top 20. 4. JPM showed some speed in practice. He'll finish in the top 10. 5. Snowball's chance in heck that this one will score this week, but I am committed to it this Chase. No more than 5 Chasers in the top 12. Segment one total - +14 Segment two total - +11 Chase points going in - +8 Race total - + Chase Points to Date - + Tom S.
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| Re: RPG Pig Hotdogville (Chase VI) +4 +13 Megan Zurawicz 23:53:09 |
| | On 10/18/08 20:39, in article C51FEBD4.63945%listpig@sbcglobal.net, "Megan
Zurawicz" <listpig@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Dammity dammity dammity, let's go *actual qualifying*, boys! <sigh> OK.....as best I can from practices... Top Ford: stats say Jamie Mac. But I think Carl will pull it out and beat him.
Yes! +1
Top Chevy: dang, that's a Gordon/Johnson tossup. But I think it's time for The Other Jeff to take one (Gordon, that is; Burton's got his). Nope, I tried to miss the "gimme", shoulda gone with it.
Top Dodge: Hard call. I'm going to call JPM, but Dinger's looking good, too. JPM top Dodge at 14, with Dinger right behind him at 15.... Second +1
Top Toy: They're not much to write home about in practice, are they? It looks to be between Hamlin & Smoke....and I think Hamlin's that hungry. It'll be Hamlin. And a third +1
Fifth Pick: no more than one Toyota in the top five. And a fourth +1
Winner: I'll take the boy who's got own road that crosses I-74 about 15 miles from here.....Jeffie Gordon. See #2 above........
--pig
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| Simmons - RPG - Martinsville II - 3/17 Mike Simmons 23:53:09 |
| | Some surprises for me on this one..
Top Five (in no order)
Gordon, J - 1
Johnson - 1
Hamlin - 1
Stewart - 0
Montoya - 0
and the winner...... Jeffro! He's gotta lose the monkey sometime this year
and he is good at Martinsville!
Well, there's always next week... <sigh>
I have mixed feelings about Montoya but he has done well lately as has Mc
Murray so they may sneak into the top five as well.
Not to be... not to be...
Mike
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| 2008 - 17 - CHN - Qualifying Brian Lawrence 19:20:10 |
| | Chinese Grand Prix
Qualifying - Saturday 18 October 2008 - 14:00
Qualifying-1
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
============================================================================
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'35.566 3 0.000 0.000 205.341 127.593
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'35.623 7 0.057 0.060 205.218 127.517
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'35.752 7 0.186 0.195 204.942 127.345
5 F Alonso Renault 1'35.769 6 0.203 0.212 204.906 127.322
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'35.971 7 0.405 0.424 204.474 127.054
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'35.983 6 0.417 0.436 204.449 127.039
6 N Piquet Renault 1'36.029 6 0.463 0.484 204.351 126.978
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'36.104 7 0.538 0.563 204.191 126.879
12 T Glock Toyota 1'36.210 10 0.644 0.674 203.966 126.739
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'36.224 5 0.658 0.689 203.937 126.720
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'36.238 7 0.672 0.703 203.907 126.702
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'36.239 7 0.673 0.704 203.905 126.701
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'36.434 9 0.868 0.908 203.493 126.444
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'36.503 8 0.937 0.980 203.347 126.354
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'36.640 9 1.074 1.124 203.059 126.175
============================================================================
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'36.731 7 1.165 1.219 202.868 126.056
8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'36.863 9 1.297 1.357 202.591 125.884
16 J Button Honda 1'37.053 9 1.487 1.556 202.195 125.638
20 A Sutil F India-Ferrari 1'37.730 9 2.164 2.264 200.794 124.768
21 G Fisichella F India-Ferrari 1'37.739 9 2.173 2.274 200.776 124.756
Qualifying-2
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
============================================================================
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'34.947 6 0.000 0.000 206.680 128.425
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'35.135 3 0.188 0.198 206.271 128.171
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'35.216 3 0.269 0.283 206.096 128.062
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'35.355 3 0.408 0.430 205.795 127.875
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'35.386 3 0.439 0.462 205.728 127.834
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'35.403 6 0.456 0.480 205.692 127.811
5 F Alonso Renault 1'35.461 6 0.514 0.541 205.567 127.733
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'35.478 6 0.531 0.559 205.530 127.710
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'35.686 6 0.739 0.778 205.083 127.433
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'35.715 6 0.768 0.809 205.021 127.394
============================================================================
6 N Piquet Renault 1'35.722 6 0.775 0.816 205.006 127.385
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'35.814 6 0.867 0.913 204.809 127.263
12 T Glock Toyota 1'35.937 6 0.990 1.043 204.547 127.099
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'36.079 6 1.132 1.192 204.244 126.912
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'36.210 6 1.263 1.330 203.966 126.739
Qualifying-3
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
============================================================================
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'36.303 6 0.000 0.000 203.769 126.616
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'36.645 6 0.342 0.355 203.048 126.168
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'36.889 6 0.586 0.608 202.537 125.851
5 F Alonso Renault 1'36.927 6 0.624 0.648 202.458 125.801
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'36.930 6 0.627 0.651 202.451 125.797
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'37.083 6 0.780 0.810 202.132 125.599
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'37.201 6 0.898 0.932 201.887 125.447
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'37.685 6 1.382 1.435 200.887 124.825
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'37.934 6 1.631 1.694 200.376 124.508
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'38.885 5 2.582 2.681 198.449 123.310
Final Qualifying Order
Pos # Driver Team Time Lps Changes
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1 22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'36.303 15
2 1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'36.645 15
3 2 F Massa Ferrari 1'36.889 16
4 5 F Alonso Renault 1'36.927 18
5 23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'36.930 16
6 15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'37.685 16 [+2]
7 11 J Trulli Toyota 1'37.934 19 [+2]
8 14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'38.885 18 [+2]
9 3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'37.201 17 [-3] blocking pen.
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10 6 N Piquet Renault 1'35.722 12 [+1]
11 4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'35.814 14 [+1]
12 12 T Glock Toyota 1'35.937 16 [+1]
13 17 R Barrichello Honda 1'36.079 15 [+1]
14 7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'36.210 15 [+1]
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15 9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'36.731 7 [+1]
16 10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'37.083 19 [-10] engine change
17 8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'36.863 9
18 16 J Button Honda 1'37.053 9
19 20 A Sutil F India-Ferrari 1'37.730 9
20 21 G Fisichella F India-Ferrari 1'37.739 9
Weather: Air 28, Track 36, Dry [I don't have full weather data]
Notes: Mark Webber qualified sixth, but an enforced engine change
(after a failure during P3) meant that he was demoted 10 places
on the grid. Team-mate, David Coulthard, failed to make it into
Q2, partly because he was briefly held up by BMW Sauber driver
Nick Heidfeld during Q1. The stewards agreed with the Scot,
demoting Nick by three grid slots - the second such penalty he
has received in the last three GPs.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxon.
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| RPG Pig Hotdogville (Chase VI) Megan Zurawicz 02:34:56 |
| | Dammity dammity dammity, let's go *actual qualifying*, boys!
<sigh>
OK.....as best I can from practices...
Top Ford: stats say Jamie Mac. But I think Carl will pull it out and beat
him.
Top Chevy: dang, that's a Gordon/Johnson tossup. But I think it's time for
The Other Jeff to take one (Gordon, that is; Burton's got his).
Top Dodge: Hard call. I'm going to call JPM, but Dinger's looking good,
too.
Top Toy: They're not much to write home about in practice, are they? It
looks to be between Hamlin & Smoke....and I think Hamlin's that hungry.
It'll be Hamlin.
Fifth Pick: no more than one Toyota in the top five.
Winner: I'll take the boy who's got own road that crosses I-74 about 15
miles from here.....Jeffie Gordon.
--pig
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| Simmons - RPG - Martinsville II Mike Simmons 02:34:56 |
| | I sure wish Mother Nature would let the guys qualify so I could feel more
confident of my picks, but nonetheless, I must persevere so here goes.....
Top Five (in no order)
Gordon, J
Johnson
Hamlin
Stewart
Montoya
and the winner...... Jeffro! He's gotta lose the monkey sometime this year
and he is good at Martinsville!
I have mixed feelings about Montoya but he has done well lately as has Mc
Murray so they may sneak into the top five as well.
Let the games begin!
Mike
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Saturday, 18 October 2008
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| 2008 - 17 - CHN - Practice 3 Brian Lawrence 10:00:18 |
| | Chinese Grand Prix
Third Practice - Saturday 18 October 2008 - 11:00-12:00
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'36.061 17 0.000 0.000 204.283 126.935
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'36.135 15 0.074 0.077 204.125 126.838
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'36.150 18 0.089 0.093 204.094 126.818
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'36.324 16 0.263 0.274 203.725 126.589
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'36.396 22 0.335 0.349 203.573 126.494
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'36.427 20 0.366 0.381 203.507 126.454
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'36.642 20 0.581 0.605 203.055 126.172
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'36.712 18 0.651 0.678 202.908 126.081
8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'36.713 20 0.652 0.679 202.906 126.080
6 N Piquet Renault 1'36.789 20 0.728 0.758 202.746 125.981
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'36.839 19 0.778 0.810 202.641 125.916
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'36.842 16 0.781 0.813 202.635 125.912
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'36.901 15 0.840 0.874 202.512 125.835
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'36.902 18 0.841 0.875 202.510 125.834
16 J Button Honda 1'36.958 18 0.897 0.934 202.393 125.761
5 F Alonso Renault 1'36.996 18 0.935 0.973 202.313 125.712
12 T Glock Toyota 1'37.053 22 0.992 1.033 202.195 125.638
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'37.566 12 1.505 1.567 201.132 124.977
20 A Sutil F India-Ferrari 1'37.648 19 1.587 1.652 200.963 124.872
21 G Fisichella F India-Ferrari 1'37.964 18 1.903 1.981 200.314 124.470
Weather: Dry [I don't have the full weather data at this time]
Notes: Hamilton led the way for most of the hour, but in the final
few minutes his time was bettered by Nick Heidfeld and almost
equaled by Robert Kubica - perhaps a sign that BMW Sauber are
going to try an agressive strategy to maximise Robert's chances.
Both Ferraris languished in mid-field for the whole session.
Mark Webber may need an engine change after what appeared to be
a failure after 45 minutes.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxon.
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Friday, 17 October 2008
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| reserveing in particular rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated Chester Clifton 22:14:51 |
| | Francis wrote on 17 Oct 2008 18:14:51 GMT:
Who can want another female friend?
http://love.dostii.net
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It peered, you landed, yet Najem never daily scratched inside the fortnight.
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| RPG - Martinsville - McCoy John McCoy 21:55:55 |
| | The Win: Gordon is on the pole, and has been the best at Martinsville
for ages. But I'm not a big Gordon fan, so I'm picking Harvick to
win.
1) Aric "Amarillo" is in the 01 car this week. He gets a T20
finish, but Rusty still gets his name wrong.
2) the top non-chaser is a Roush car.
3) all 3 MWR cars are in the race, Reutimann gets the best finish
of the 3.
4) Johnny Sauter, who is almost certainly out of the #70 next
year, tries to show that's a mistake by finishing T15 on the
lead lap.
5) no rookies finish on the lead lap.
John
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| 2008 - 17 - CHN - Practice 2 Brian Lawrence 12:15:27 |
| | Chinese Grand Prix
Second Practice - Friday 17 October 2008 - 14:00-15:30
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'35.750 33 0.000 0.000 204.946 127.348
5 F Alonso Renault 1'36.024 36 0.274 0.286 204.361 126.984
6 N Piquet Renault 1'36.094 38 0.344 0.359 204.213 126.892
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'36.159 32 0.409 0.427 204.075 126.806
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'36.375 38 0.625 0.653 203.617 126.522
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'36.480 31 0.730 0.762 203.396 126.384
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'36.529 32 0.779 0.814 203.292 126.320
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'36.542 34 0.792 0.827 203.265 126.303
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'36.553 38 0.803 0.839 203.242 126.289
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'36.556 33 0.806 0.842 203.235 126.285
12 T Glock Toyota 1'36.615 33 0.865 0.903 203.111 126.207
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'36.775 37 1.025 1.070 202.776 125.999
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'36.797 33 1.047 1.093 202.729 125.970
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'36.808 36 1.058 1.105 202.706 125.956
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'36.925 38 1.175 1.227 202.462 125.804
8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'36.975 31 1.225 1.279 202.357 125.739
21 G Fisichella F India-Ferrari 1'37.473 38 1.723 1.799 201.323 125.097
20 A Sutil F India-Ferrari 1'37.617 33 1.867 1.950 201.026 124.912
16 J Button Honda 1'37.800 37 2.050 2.141 200.650 124.678
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'37.904 36 2.154 2.250 200.437 124.546
Weather: Dry [I don't have the full weather details]
Notes: Lewis Hamilton went out early and set a quick time which
was over one second faster than anyone else. Although the gap
was reduced no one was able to better his first time.
Several drivers had spins or went off track, but none suffered
any serious damage. Both Ferrari's appeared relatively slow, while
Renault's recent form continued.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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