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Dave R knows who 4 April 2005 23:00:30
	Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just doesn't seem live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in time to get a team comment and drivers reply?
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Geoff May 4 April 2005 23:10:55 [ permanent link ]
	Dave R knows who wrote:> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like the > bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? They sounded live to me. For example, at Australia the pit told Sato to slow down 'cos of the poor weather and he was already stopped after smacking the wall and replied "Too late". It just doesn't seem > live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in time to get a > team comment and drivers reply? I think the director (or someone) prolly listens in to various team's channels and decides which radio to play on the TV. MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 4th April, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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M S 4 April 2005 23:16:13 [ permanent link ]
	Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like the > bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just doesn't seem > live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in time to get > a team comment and drivers reply? Possible playback, but mostly live, I'd say. Plus the teams have the possibility to "talk privately"when they want, without being broadcast, they have a switch on the systems. They don't want the whole world to hear about strategies and the like. Speaking of qualifying, I think the radio is live, it's the usual talk after crossing the line. Position, time, "save fuel, switch early, watch your mirror". The TV crew just listens to them, when they cross the line. Matt/Poland -- If you want to e-mail me click below: http://www.cerbermail.com/?YX7je5fgrY
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Brian Lawrence 4 April 2005 23:39:57 [ permanent link ]
	"Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like the bits they give you at > the end of the qualifying lap? It just doesn't seem live to me. How is it they always tune into > the radio just in time to get a team comment and drivers reply? It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears. -- Brian
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M S 4 April 2005 23:47:17 [ permanent link ]
	Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like >> the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just doesn't >> seem live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in time >> to get a team comment and drivers reply?> It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears. ISTR an Alonso-Renault conversation from Australia '05. He asked: "Is this Michael in front of me? I thought he was f***ed" [1] It was Barrichello being lapped by Alonso. Michael was already out after colliding with Heidfeld. [1] I might as well be wrong, of course. Matt/Poland -- If you want to e-mail me click below: http://www.cerbermail.com/?YX7je5fgrY
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Dave R knows who 5 April 2005 01:48:59 [ permanent link ]
	"j_hampton2000" <j_hampton2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1112648170.119414.312790@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> M S wrote:>> >> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback?> Like>> >> the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just> doesn't>> >> seem live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in> time>> >> to get a team comment and drivers reply?>> > It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears.> I can confirm that it is a delayed signal that you hear. It's recorded> on disk by FOCA and replayed using similar technoogy to that used by TV> newsrooms. Here's some techie info on the system used:> http://broadcastengineering.com/news/broadcasting_formula_world_championship/ Just as I thought. It's recorded, they make quick clip of it, and then play it back when TV is ready.
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Bumble Bee Boy 2 5 April 2005 01:56:55 [ permanent link ]
	"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com> wrote in message news:3bdjgcF6fd2erU1@individual.net...> "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote:> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like >> the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just doesn't >> seem live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in time >> to get a team comment and drivers reply?> It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears. Yep, seems so, Martin Brundle pointed this out one race. Saying how it's not quite insync with what we're seeing... -- > Brian> Bumble
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F/Fgeorge 5 April 2005 02:19:13 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:48:59 GMT, "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote: "j_hampton2000" <j_hampton2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1112648170.119414.312790@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>> M S wrote:>>> >> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback?>> Like>>> >> the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just>> doesn't>>> >> seem live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in>> time>>> >> to get a team comment and drivers reply?>>> > It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears.>> I can confirm that it is a delayed signal that you hear. It's recorded>> on disk by FOCA and replayed using similar technoogy to that used by TV>> newsrooms. Here's some techie info on the system used:>> http://broadcastengineering.com/news/broadcasting_formula_world_championship/> Just as I thought. It's recorded, they make quick clip of it, and then play >it back when TV is ready. > I don't believe it that much of a delay, a few seconds at most, I believe I heard 8 seconds one time. That would be a FAST tape manipulator!
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Bigbird 5 April 2005 03:18:45 [ permanent link ]
	"Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in message news:fDi4e.13340$m31.131822@typhoon.sonic.net...> "j_hampton2000" <j_hampton2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1112648170.119414.312790@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>> M S wrote:>>> >> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback?>> Like>>> >> the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just>> doesn't>>> >> seem live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in>> time>>> >> to get a team comment and drivers reply?>>> > It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears.>> I can confirm that it is a delayed signal that you hear. It's recorded>> on disk by FOCA and replayed using similar technoogy to that used by TV>> newsrooms. Here's some techie info on the system used:>> http://broadcastengineering.com/news/broadcasting_formula_world_championship/> Just as I thought. It's recorded, they make quick clip of it, and then > play it back when TV is ready. No you had it wrong. There is no waiting for TV to be ready. There is a short but constant artificial delay to the feed. This is true of a lot of 'live' broadcasting. It is still a stream not recorded clips.
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Mk IV 5 April 2005 03:45:38 [ permanent link ]
	Geoff May <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> scribbled: Dave R knows who wrote:>> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback?>> Like the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap?> They sounded live to me. For example, at Australia the pit told Sato> to slow down 'cos of the poor weather and he was already stopped after> smacking the wall and replied "Too late". LOL!
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Dave R knows who 5 April 2005 07:17:16 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> wrote in message news:n9SdnRuSsM7IVszfRVnysQ@pipex.net...> "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in message > news:fDi4e.13340$m31.131822@typhoon.sonic.net...>> "j_hampton2000" <j_hampton2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1112648170.119414.312790@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>>> M S wrote:>>>> >> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback?>>> Like>>>> >> the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just>>> doesn't>>>> >> seem live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in>>> time>>>> >> to get a team comment and drivers reply?>>>> > It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears.>>> I can confirm that it is a delayed signal that you hear. It's recorded>>> on disk by FOCA and replayed using similar technoogy to that used by TV>>> newsrooms. Here's some techie info on the system used:>>> http://broadcastengineering.com/news/broadcasting_formula_world_championship/>> Just as I thought. It's recorded, they make quick clip of it, and then >> play it back when TV is ready.> No you had it wrong. There is no waiting for TV to be ready. There is a > short but constant artificial delay to the feed. This is true of a lot of > 'live' broadcasting. It is still a stream not recorded clips. How is it they put "Radio" on the screen and within seconds the "stream" begins, just in time. And they do it perfectly every time. In the USA for NASCAR etc there is often long pauses of dead air when the announcers try this. The FIA has never had any such trouble. How is that possible?
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Gd 5 April 2005 09:15:00 [ permanent link ]
	Geoff May <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in news:d2s3fv$d6c$01$1@news.t-online.com: Dave R knows who wrote:>> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback?>> Like the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap?> They sounded live to me. For example, at Australia the pit told Sato> to slow down 'cos of the poor weather and he was already stopped after> smacking the wall and replied "Too late". They werent live in Australia. I was at the track with my scanner radio, so could hear many of the transmissions as they actually happened... and then moments later I'd see/hear them pop up on the trackside TV screens. Somebody else said 8 seconds. That sounds about right. I didnt hear the 'too late' on my scanner, but I did hear "I couldnt do anything". One of the things we heard on the Bahrain telecast was Sato being coached/guided (not quite sure what the term is) as he approached turn 1. Jock Clear also did this in Melbourne, but it was nowhere near as useful. It was something like: "I cant see you, I cant see you, I cant see you, I cant see you, you're all clear." (Sato was on 457.8875 Mhz)
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Steven de Mena 5 April 2005 10:02:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in message news:0rn4e.13359$m31.132016@typhoon.sonic.net...>>>> I can confirm that it is a delayed signal that you hear. It's recorded>>>> on disk by FOCA and replayed using similar technoogy to that used by TV>>>> newsrooms. Here's some techie info on the system used:>>>> http://broadcastengineering.com/news/broadcasting_formula_world_championship/>>> Just as I thought. It's recorded, they make quick clip of it, and then >>> play it back when TV is ready.>> No you had it wrong. There is no waiting for TV to be ready. There is a >> short but constant artificial delay to the feed. This is true of a lot of >> 'live' broadcasting. It is still a stream not recorded clips.> How is it they put "Radio" on the screen and within seconds the "stream" > begins, just in time. And they do it perfectly every time.> In the USA for NASCAR etc there is often long pauses of dead air when the > announcers try this. The FIA has never had any such trouble. How is that > possible? OH, so if "NASCAR" can't do it, how could F1??? If there's an 8 second delay you just have people listening to the live feed and when they hear something good they can hit the "Radio" button, switch to the 8 second delayed feed, and switch it to the broadcast audio when appropriate. It's not rocket science. Steve
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M S 5 April 2005 11:00:16 [ permanent link ]
	The recording I have goes like:> FA: Is that Barrichello in front of me?> RN: Yes Fernando, you're racing him. He's in front of you.> FA: I thought he has spun?> RN: ....Michael. Michael spun.> FA: I am P3?> RN: Yes you're P3 Fernando. P3. Knew I was wrong Matt/Poland -- If you want to e-mail me click below: http://www.cerbermail.com/?YX7je5fgrY
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Robin McInnes 5 April 2005 13:02:52 [ permanent link ]
	GD wrote: <snip>> (Sato was on 457.8875 Mhz)> GD, Is there any possibility of you posting more team/driver frequencies you discovered from Melbourne please? They may of course change frequencies through the season, depending upon location etc, but it's always welcome to have some sort of starting point when scanning, and test days at Silverstone are so much more interesting when one is able to listen in on the scanner. -- Cheers, Robin McInnes Cheshire, UK (Email address in header contains a spam trap. Remove it to email me.)
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Gd 5 April 2005 18:44:53 [ permanent link ]
	Robin McInnes <robin@spa-mtr-ap.billycorps.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in news:d2tk82$sii$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk: (Sato was on 457.8875 Mhz)>> Is there any possibility of you posting more team/driver frequencies you > discovered from Melbourne please?> They may of course change frequencies through the season, depending upon > location etc, but it's always welcome to have some sort of starting > point when scanning, and test days at Silverstone are so much more > interesting when one is able to listen in on the scanner. Even better is the advice for you to join the 'f1scanner' yahoo group.
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David Melville 6 April 2005 09:24:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:39:57 +0100, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com> wrote: "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote:> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like the bits they give you at >> the end of the qualifying lap? It just doesn't seem live to me. How is it they always tune into >> the radio just in time to get a team comment and drivers reply?> It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears. all television "live" transmissions are delayed by 7 seconds. Cheers, D.
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Bigbird 6 April 2005 12:33:46 [ permanent link ]
	"David Melville" <spamaway@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:5is6515t8aet389rrkip8mb36vh2d50nv6@4ax.com...> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:39:57 +0100, "Brian Lawrence"> <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com> wrote:> "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote:>> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like >>> the bits they give you at>>> the end of the qualifying lap? It just doesn't seem live to me. How is >>> it they always tune into>>> the radio just in time to get a team comment and drivers reply?>> It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears.> all television "live" transmissions are delayed by 7 seconds.> Nah, clearly not "all"
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V_e_s_a 6 April 2005 20:45:01 [ permanent link ]
	On 4 Apr 2005 13:56:10 -0700, "j_hampton2000" <j_hampton2000@yahoo.com> wrote: FA: I am P3?>RN: Yes you're P3 Fernando. P3. Knowing heВґs Spanish hot-head he prolly answered "what!!! I am? you are, and your mother was too!! ;) Talking about Sato, he seems to be the only racing driver on earth who needs guidance for a first corner after a start. "Jacques on your right, Jacques on your left..." JJ. Lehto commenting for TV sounded pretty surprised about that. One certainly would think they have something else to do than listening the engineer giving instructions. Vesa
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Geoff May 6 April 2005 21:06:48 [ permanent link ]
	V_e_s_a wrote:> On 4 Apr 2005 13:56:10 -0700, "j_hampton2000"> <j_hampton2000@yahoo.com> wrote:> FA: I am P3?>>RN: Yes you're P3 Fernando. P3.> Knowing heВґs Spanish hot-head he prolly answered "what!!! I am? you> are, and your mother was too!! ;)> Talking about Sato, he seems to be the only racing driver on earth who> needs guidance for a first corner after a start. "Jacques on your> right, Jacques on your left..."> JJ. Lehto commenting for TV sounded pretty surprised about that. One> certainly would think they have something else to do than listening> the engineer giving instructions. I'm more surprised they don't have more of that, TBH. Sounds like a good idea 'cos the driver can concentrate on what's in front of him and rely on the pits telling him who's in his blind spot(s). MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 4th April, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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V_e_s_a 6 April 2005 21:34:39 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:06:48 +0200, Geoff May <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote: V_e_s_a wrote:>> On 4 Apr 2005 13:56:10 -0700, "j_hampton2000">> <j_hampton2000@yahoo.com> wrote:>> FA: I am P3?>>>RN: Yes you're P3 Fernando. P3.>> Knowing heВґs Spanish hot-head he prolly answered "what!!! I am? you>> are, and your mother was too!! ;)>> Talking about Sato, he seems to be the only racing driver on earth who>> needs guidance for a first corner after a start. "Jacques on your>> right, Jacques on your left...">> JJ. Lehto commenting for TV sounded pretty surprised about that. One>> certainly would think they have something else to do than listening>> the engineer giving instructions.> I'm more surprised they don't have more of that, TBH. Sounds like a good >idea 'cos the driver can concentrate on what's in front of him and rely >on the pits telling him who's in his blind spot(s).> Geoff. Come on, we talk about nanoseconds. What good does it do if they have gone to stratosphere already before the sentence is finished? "Watch out, you have plenty of Minardis and Jordans back there..." Vesa
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Engelkott 9 April 2005 01:36:22 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:56:55 +0100, "Bumble Bee Boy 2" <bumble@it.it> wrote: "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com> wrote in message >news:3bdjgcF6fd2erU1@individual.net...>> "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote:>> Am I the only one who thinks the radio audio we hear is playback? Like >>> the bits they give you at the end of the qualifying lap? It just doesn't >>> seem live to me. How is it they always tune into the radio just in time >>> to get a team comment and drivers reply?>> It's delayed by a few seconds just in case someone swears.> Yep, seems so, Martin Brundle pointed this out one race. Saying how it's not >quite insync with what we're seeing... I was under the impression it was delayed because they do not know what will be interesting or relevant. Else they would play it all the time. Engelkott
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