I LITERALLY fell asleep after Michael Schumacher retired... It was the > only hope of a decent battle today. Did I miss anything after he went out. > It's the first time I've ever actually fallen asleep with the GP on.....>

This is getting really fucking bad Bernie. Or should that be really > fucking worse.>

Sorry for the profanity but I USED to love this sport.>

At the start today it looked really exciting but that was it.>

Is this what we have to look forward to?>

2 laps of possible excitement and then the procession to the end.>

Bolox.>

Racing is exciting when Schu is out of the top5>

"Brian" <brian@theobvious.o­rg> wrote in message >news:8kT3e.50840$Z­14.39094@news.indigo­.ie...>> Is the headline on itv-f1.com>>

I LITERALLY fell asleep after Michael Schumacher retired... It was the only>hope of a decent battle today. Did I miss anything after he went out. It's>the first time I've ever actually fallen asleep with the GP on.....>

This is getting really fucking bad Bernie. Or should that be really fucking>worse.>

Sorry for the profanity but I USED to love this sport.>

At the start today it looked really exciting but that was it.>

Is this what we have to look forward to?>

2 laps of possible excitement and then the procession to the end.>

Bolox.>

In message <8kT3e.50840$Z14.39­094@news.indigo.ie>,­ Brian ><brian@theobvious.­org> writes>>Is the headline on itv-f1.com>>

You know, the one thing that is even better than seeing a brilliant >young driver leading the championship and racing superbly is to watch >the sour grapes from all the bitter tifauxsi.>

For those of us who don't worship at the altar of the dirtiest driver of >all time, this season has been wonderful, and this race today was one of >the best for a long while, with several great battles, and doubts about >most of the points-scoring positions until deep into the race.>

And can I just say how thrilled I was by the debut of the F2005.

Nothing compared to the sour grapes in the past years of the>non-tifosi. And apparently it still hurts.

Example: see next line.>

I bet Renault are cheating.

Nothing compared to the sour grapes in the past years of the> non-tifosi. And apparently it still hurts. Example: see next line.>

HM wrote:>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:59:52 GMT, "scummeister" <nospm@verizon.net>­>> wrote:>>

I bet Renault are not cheating. I'm starting to wonder which rule(s) >Toyota have creatively interpreted, unless it's true that Gasgoyne >really is a genius, in which case I have to wonder why he doesn't >already have a WCC...>

If any of you fuckwits had actually read past the sentence 'I LITERALLY >fell asleep after Michael Schumacher retired' you might have got my point.>

I got the point that you LITERALLY didn't see the race but you still> feel entitled to comment on it.>

Fuckwit.> -->

Ian

"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel@lineone­.net> wrote in message >news:n0n051l1m0n4q­90qfn43h6ej2vq5hs3av­6@4ax.com...>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:03:05 +0100, "Brian" <brian@theobvious.o­rg>>> wrote:>>

So tell me Ian, on the edge of your seat till the end were you? >

Near enough - there was close racing going on virtually the whole> distance. Not for the lead, perhaps, though it was an interesting> contest between Alonso and Trulli - no room for errors from start to> finish. Plenty of wheel-to-wheel stuff down the order, though.> -->

Thats no different to the past few years, I think thats what some posters> points are. Its boring at the front for the past 2 - 4 years.

Yes, I have always hated seeing cheats prosper. I'm funny like that.

I got the point that you LITERALLY didn't see the race but you still>feel entitled to comment on it.

His point is yet valid: After Schumacher left the race no one else> even thought about pressuring Alonso,

and the only tension in the race was left to whether or not Webber would >kill someone with an infantile> and desperate act of ultimately futile blocking.

Oh c'mon. That restrictor tube in the WRC was an engineering> masterpiece, showing the excellent skills of Toyota.>

It was a genuine misjudgement. They thought the scrutinneers wouldn't> look.

His point is yet valid: After Schumacher left the race no one else> even thought about pressuring Alonso, and the only tension in the race> was left to whether or not Webber would kill someone with an infantile> and desperate act of ultimately futile blocking.>

(a) The absence of a battle for the lead after Schumacher's retirement meant >the race was boring because one driver simply streaked away from the rest.

Its been like that for a decade or more....whether it was Senna or> Mansell or Prost or Villeneuve or Hill or Hakkinen or> Schumacher.....ther­e is always one "dominant package". Right now its> Alonso & Renault BUT I don't think the advantage he has is as big as> we have seen in the past. >

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:31:09 +0100, John Gibson> <n6283818@swsimap.n­cl.ac.uk> wrote:>

While I agree with the rest of your post - there WAS a battle for the> lead. Alonso was pretty much in control throughout, but he had to> respond when Trulli pushed. James Allen was babbling (as usual) when> he said Alonso was gaining ".7 of a second per lap". It was more like> .1, .2 or .3 - and some laps Trulli was taking a little back. Cars> don't have to be side by side to be battling.>

-->

To a point, but I can think of quite a few occasions in the last decade > where the title has gone down to the last race, or at least not been > decided until the second last race.

So what was the difference in your eyes between Webber's defensive >jinks, and Schumacher's defensive jink towards NH?

So what was the difference in your eyes between Webber's defensive jinks, > and Schumacher's defensive jink towards NH?

Pretty simple really - when Webber moved there was plenty of tarmac on the >other side of the car he moved towards.

When Schumacher moved there wasn't -

so said 19 other drivers. Much the same as there wasn't when he ran Alonso >onto the grass at 170mph at Silverstone a couple of years ago.

For which move? As I recall, Webber blocked Pedro quite a few times> before he finally got through.

There was enough room for Nick on the inside, his problem was he> locked his RF tyre and went onto the grass instead.

Indeed so - but all within the rules of "move once" & as above, there was >always plenty of tarmac

Not what 19 other F1 drivers thought - I'd tend to defer to their >opinion...and its not the first time its happened (see below).

Okay, I'll have to watch the sequence again.>

Yeah, see I think that's more politics than actual consideration.> Look at the video footage - there's room for Nick down the inside!

From memory, this was off the start of the race, yes?

Yep, there was enough room till he got the "Schu chop"

There was till he got chopped.

On the first lap I think - on the Hangar straight round the back of the >circuit so a long way from the start line.