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Saturday Qualifying, Bahrain: Ferrari!
Tussock 2 April 2005 15:02:50
	Ferrari suck, still: or rather, bridgestone do, but even I predicted that. Infact, I'm writing this bit before they even get on the track. 8] Addendum: hmm, looks like we've just about got a fight on our hands. Excellent. I see the special Rubins-destruct function still works. Renault. Still 1st. Toyota. Still 2nd. Ferrari. Still ... hey! This is new. Williams. Another new front wing pips the McLaren to hold 4th. McLaren Red Bull Sauber. Nice lap from Massa to beat the BAR boys. BAR. This is a bit sad, 2nd place last year. Jordan Minardi. New car in Monaco. Can they catch Jordan? Probably not. 8\| So, DC still can't lap, RB had gear troubles, and JV's still lost; Ralf made a mistake, and everyone else is pretty much in order. The track probably got quicker, so the top 3 teams are all in it, and Williams aren't far off. -- tussock Aspie at work, sorry in advance.
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Bigbird 2 April 2005 15:43:58 [ permanent link ]
	"tussock" <scrub@clear.net.nz> wrote in message news:424e7c2e@clear.net.nz...> Ferrari suck, still Not from here. [Even before qualifying] Did you not see the sector times from practice? : or rather, bridgestone do, but even I predicted that. Did you predict the sun coming up this morning too. Infact, I'm writing this bit before they even get on the track. 8]> Perhaps you should just wait then.
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Chanard 2 April 2005 15:49:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> wrote in message news:ldednaH5VNTjGNPfRVnyuw@pipex.net...> "tussock" <scrub@clear.net.nz> wrote in message> news:424e7c2e@clear.net.nz...> > Ferrari suck, still> Not from here. [Even before qualifying] Did you not see the sector times> from practice?> Over the race distance tomorrow they will suck in these hot conditions, The 42'C air temp and and 55-59'C track temp will turn them to slappers by mid race.
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Richard Miller 2 April 2005 18:34:43 [ permanent link ]
	In message <kMWdnfhA7f01AdPfRVnyug@pipex.net>, Bigbird <lay@work.nest> writes It is unquestionable that the peformance of the Bridgestones is likely >to be...well questionable in the expected conditions. However if you >think that the F2005 sucks you are in for a slap. Unfortunately, I >think it looks like it is very capable of running away at the front >unless other teams can do anything about it. I don't. Even going out at the optimum time, MS still only managed 3rd place, and that is on a single lap, where the problems that are likely to develop with the tyres over a race distance are irrelevant. I think they are likely to be in the running for a podium finish tomorrow, but unless something happens to the Renaults, I don't think they will be on for the win. Would you be willing to give long odds against it doing the job in >Imola? I wouldn't. Not long odds, but I would say it is far from odds on. -- Richard Miller
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Bigbird 2 April 2005 19:44:13 [ permanent link ]
	"Richard Miller" <richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:Kc4diRHD2qTCFwLa@seasalter0.demon.co.uk...> In message <kMWdnfhA7f01AdPfRVnyug@pipex.net>, Bigbird <lay@work.nest> > writes> It is unquestionable that the peformance of the Bridgestones is likely to >>be...well questionable in the expected conditions. However if you think >>that the F2005 sucks you are in for a slap. Unfortunately, I think it >>looks like it is very capable of running away at the front this season unless other teams can do anything about it.> I don't. Even going out at the optimum time, MS still only managed 3rd > place, and that is on a single lap, where the problems that are likely to > develop with the tyres over a race distance are irrelevant. I think they > are likely to be in the running for a podium finish tomorrow, but unless > something happens to the Renaults, I don't think they will be on for the > win.> You are rather more optimistic than me. I meant this season not this weekend. If MS puts it on the podium without other teams having major problems then the tyres will have to be miles better than most people expect (not sorry about the pun). The car doesn't run on rails like we have come to expect of Ferrari but if/when it does... Shame it is so bad for the spectacle for such things to happen. Would you be willing to give long odds against it doing the job in Imola? >>I wouldn't.> Not long odds, but I would say it is far from odds on.> -- > Richard Miller
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Tussock 3 April 2005 10:34:47 [ permanent link ]
	Bigbird wrote:> "tussock" <scrub@clear.net.nz> wrote in message > news:424e7c2e@clear.net.nz...> Ferrari suck, still> Not from here. [Even before qualifying] Did you not see the sector times > from practice? Yep, though there's no way to tell how much fuel someone's carrying when doing 3 and 4 lap runs. The Ferrari was fast at Malasia too in places, just slow when it mattered. : or rather, bridgestone do, but even I predicted that.> Did you predict the sun coming up this morning too. I reckon the sun will stay put, but the earth will continue to spin if that's what you mean. 8] Infact, I'm writing this bit before they even get on the track. 8]> Perhaps you should just wait then. I did; thus the rest of the post. Watching one car at a time with breaks on live timing is boring if I don't do something else during. One hour 'till the next one .... -- tussock Aspie at work, sorry in advance.
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Bigbird 3 April 2005 12:32:29 [ permanent link ]
	"Richard Miller" <richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:B4DfbvKtitTCFw5V@seasalter0.demon.co.uk...> In message <KpidnbrQwv1TINPfRVnyvA@pipex.net>, Bigbird <lay@work.nest> > writes>> "Richard Miller" <richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote in message>>news:Kc4diRHD2qTCFwLa@seasalter0.demon.co.uk...>>> In message <kMWdnfhA7f01AdPfRVnyug@pipex.net>, Bigbird <lay@work.nest>>>> writes>>> It is unquestionable that the peformance of the Bridgestones is likely >>>>to>>>>be...well questionable in the expected conditions. However if you think>>>>that the F2005 sucks you are in for a slap. Unfortunately, I think it>>>>looks like it is very capable of running away at the front>> this season> Thanks for the clarification. Even so...>> unless other teams can do anything about it.>>> I don't. Even going out at the optimum time, MS still only managed 3rd>>> place, and that is on a single lap, where the problems that are likely >>> to>>> develop with the tyres over a race distance are irrelevant. I think they>>> are likely to be in the running for a podium finish tomorrow, but unless>>> something happens to the Renaults, I don't think they will be on for the>>> win.>>> You are rather more optimistic than me. I meant this season not this>>weekend.> So do I. As at this point in time, it looks like the Renault is better > than the Ferrari, and doesn't look like surrendering that advantage any > time soon. The Toyota in Trulli's hands is capable of beating the Ferrari, > but I would expect Ferrari to catch them. There is little to choose > between the Ferrari and the Williams. And a stand-in driver putting in a > lap when the track was at its worst still managed to bring home the > McLaren less than half a second behind the Ferrari running at optimum > time.> And none of these other teams are going to stand still waiting for Ferrari > to catch up.> If MS puts it on the podium without other teams having major>>problems then the tyres will have to be miles better than most people >>expect>>(not sorry about the pun).> Indeed. And if he doesn't, he is going to be a long way behind the > championship leaders by the time we come to Europe. That means he will be > under pressure, and we all know that MS does not run at his best when > under pressure.> The car doesn't run on rails like we have come to expect of Ferrari but>>if/when it does...> I think whether Bridgestone can fix the problems is a huge if. Don't forget we don't know what the gap is like in cooler climes. And we have yet to see whether the F2005 maintains the Ferrari reputation >for bullet-proof reliability. It hasn't been tested in a race yet.> True, and RB is paying the cost of rushing the job this weekend. Shame it is so bad for the spectacle for such things to happen.> Agreed. But I am reasonably confident that it won't happen. At some races or the WCD/WCC? I don't doubt that Ferrari will be up there challenging for wins again > soon. But I don't see them walking away with it. To win it, they, and MS, > will have to work for it. True, there is a big difference between walking away with a few races and winning the championship. -- > Richard Miller
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Richard Miller 3 April 2005 14:40:23 [ permanent link ]
	In message <4LSdneTmGtSAN9LfRVnyvw@pipex.net>, Bigbird <lay@work.nest> writes>>>Shame it is so bad for the spectacle for such things to happen.>> Agreed. But I am reasonably confident that it won't happen.> At some races or the WCD/WCC? I am very confident that it won't happen in the championship overall; and I don't expect them to run away and hide in more than one or two races, and probably not even that. There is little doubt that Renault and Michelin, not Ferrari and Bridgestone, is the benchmark this year. -- Richard Miller
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