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OK, so what is going on with Sterling?
Guest 10 May 2005 23:00:05
	you all know the rumors--Chip won't return his phone calls, David Stremme is going to driver the #40 b/c Coors wants a younger driver to compete with Budweiser and DEJr, Jack Daniels wants him to drive the 07 b/c he's from Tennessee, etc. yesterday, interviewed on nascar.com, Sterling says there's no truth to the rumor that he might go drive for a big liquor sponsor. uh, OK, Sterling. today, this turns up on the Fox page: ========================= Marlin said last month that he didn't think he'd be back at Chip Ganassi Racing next year because the car owner had been reluctant to discuss a new contract with him. Ganassi said Marlin can change that via on-track performance. "Right now, we don't have a plan for Sterling for next year," Ganassi said. "But if he wins a couple of races, it's not like we can't change our plans." http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3599564 ================= the article also repeats the Jack Daniels rumor. Katharine, who has no idea how Sterling is going to "win a couple of races" if Ganassi keeps giving him cars that conk out halfway through the race, and who wonders, if he really is entertaining 2 or 3 other offers, why Sterling would re-sign with at team which in her opinion has treated him rather shabbily this year
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Crusader 11 May 2005 02:30:23 [ permanent link ]
	IMHO, it's time for 48 year old Metal Fish to join The Senior Tour (CTS) -- Crusader <malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message news:1115751147.749736.71410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> you all know the rumors--Chip won't return his phone calls, David> Stremme is going to driver the #40 b/c Coors wants a younger driver to> compete with Budweiser and DEJr, Jack Daniels wants him to drive the 07> b/c he's from Tennessee, etc.> yesterday, interviewed on nascar.com, Sterling says there's no truth to> the rumor that he might go drive for a big liquor sponsor. uh, OK,> Sterling.> today, this turns up on the Fox page:> =========================> Marlin said last month that he didn't think he'd be back at Chip> Ganassi Racing next year because the car owner had been reluctant to> discuss a new contract with him.> Ganassi said Marlin can change that via on-track performance.> "Right now, we don't have a plan for Sterling for next year," Ganassi> said. "But if he wins a couple of races, it's not like we can't change> our plans."> http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3599564> =================> the article also repeats the Jack Daniels rumor.> Katharine, who has no idea how Sterling is going to "win a couple of> races" if Ganassi keeps giving him cars that conk out halfway through> the race, and who wonders, if he really is entertaining 2 or 3 other> offers, why Sterling would re-sign with at team which in her opinion> has treated him rather shabbily this year>
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Wheeler 13 May 2005 08:58:12 [ permanent link ]
	malonekath@aol.com wrote in news:1115751147.749736.71410 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: you all know the rumors--Chip won't return his phone calls, David> Stremme is going to driver the #40 b/c Coors wants a younger driver to> compete with Budweiser and DEJr, Jack Daniels wants him to drive the 07> b/c he's from Tennessee, etc.> yesterday, interviewed on nascar.com, Sterling says there's no truth to> the rumor that he might go drive for a big liquor sponsor. uh, OK,> Sterling.> today, this turns up on the Fox page:> =========================> Marlin said last month that he didn't think he'd be back at Chip> Ganassi Racing next year because the car owner had been reluctant to> discuss a new contract with him.> Ganassi said Marlin can change that via on-track performance.> "Right now, we don't have a plan for Sterling for next year," Ganassi> said. "But if he wins a couple of races, it's not like we can't change> our plans."> http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3599564> =================> the article also repeats the Jack Daniels rumor.> Katharine, who has no idea how Sterling is going to "win a couple of> races" if Ganassi keeps giving him cars that conk out halfway through> the race, and who wonders, if he really is entertaining 2 or 3 other> offers, why Sterling would re-sign with at team which in her opinion> has treated him rather shabbily this year> Think of all the rumors that get denied over and over and over and finally, lo and behold, they come true. How long was the rumor that Jeff Burton was going to Childress going around? All sides denied it up until the day they announced it. Then you have the rumors that end up totally unfounded. In other words, wait until the official announcement. -- Wheeler
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Julia 13 May 2005 10:10:36 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-05-10 15:00:05 -0400, malonekath@aol.com said: you all know the rumors--Chip won't return his phone calls, David> Stremme is going to driver the #40 b/c Coors wants a younger driver to> compete with Budweiser and DEJr, Jack Daniels wants him to drive the 07> b/c he's from Tennessee, etc.> yesterday, interviewed on nascar.com, Sterling says there's no truth to> the rumor that he might go drive for a big liquor sponsor. uh, OK,> Sterling.> today, this turns up on the Fox page:> =========================> Marlin said last month that he didn't think he'd be back at Chip> Ganassi Racing next year because the car owner had been reluctant to> discuss a new contract with him.> Ganassi said Marlin can change that via on-track performance.> "Right now, we don't have a plan for Sterling for next year," Ganassi> said. "But if he wins a couple of races, it's not like we can't change> our plans."> http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3599564> =================> the article also repeats the Jack Daniels rumor.> Katharine, who has no idea how Sterling is going to "win a couple of> races" if Ganassi keeps giving him cars that conk out halfway through> the race, and who wonders, if he really is entertaining 2 or 3 other> offers, why Sterling would re-sign with at team which in her opinion> has treated him rather shabbily this year exactly.... he put the same amount of pressure on Jamie last year to get into the chase ~ and gave him at least 4 faulty engines.... now he is saying that he expects Jamie to win a number of races this year. I would love to see that too ~ but he will have to lose his ride first, 'cause I just don't think winning is gonna happen in a Ganassi car. -- .."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo" http://www.u2.com/music/lyrics.php?song=447&list=v
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Guest 13 May 2005 18:33:03 [ permanent link ]
	Julia wrote: Katharine, who has no idea how Sterling is going to "win a couple races" if Ganassi keeps giving him cars that conk out halfway through> > the race, and who wonders, if he really is entertaining 2 or 3 other> > offers, why Sterling would re-sign with at team which in her opinion> > has treated him rather shabbily this year> exactly.... he put the same amount of pressure on Jamie last year to> get into the chase ~ and gave him at least 4 faulty engines.... now is saying that he expects Jamie to win a number of races this year. would love to see that too ~ but he will have to lose his ride first, 'cause I just don't think winning is gonna happen in a Ganassi car. wrt to Jamie, I definitely agree about the first part of last season--there was definitely a problem with the engines of some of his cars. but by the second half of the season he pretty much had the best equipment on the team. (as for not making the Chase--I put that squarely on the points deduction for cheating) and I think that's been the case this year too--this year he clearly had one of the top cars at 2 places I found that to be very unexpected: Daytona and Talladega. IMO he's getting the cream of the Ganassi crop cars (although one could argue that might not be saying too much in the big picture), and the biggest problem for him right now is the Charger itself. also, I didn't read Chip's comments re: Jamie's winning in the same way as his comments about Sterling's need to win. I think Ganassi is actually pretty keen to keep Jamie on the team (didn't Chip sell his custom Newell motorhome to Jamie at an excellent price last month?). Katharine
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Crusader 14 May 2005 01:20:01 [ permanent link ]
	<malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message news:1115991164.462387.155040@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Julia wrote:> Katharine, who has no idea how Sterling is going to "win a couple> of> > > races" if Ganassi keeps giving him cars that conk out halfway> through> > > the race, and who wonders, if he really is entertaining 2 or 3> other> > > offers, why Sterling would re-sign with at team which in her> opinion> > > has treated him rather shabbily this year> > exactly.... he put the same amount of pressure on Jamie last year to> > get into the chase ~ and gave him at least 4 faulty engines.... now> he> > is saying that he expects Jamie to win a number of races this year.> I> > would love to see that too ~ but he will have to lose his ride first,> 'cause I just don't think winning is gonna happen in a Ganassi car.> wrt to Jamie, I definitely agree about the first part of last> season--there was definitely a problem with the engines of some of his> cars. but by the second half of the season he pretty much had the best> equipment on the team. (as for not making the Chase--I put that> squarely on the points deduction for cheating)> and I think that's been the case this year too--this year he clearly> had one of the top cars at 2 places I found that to be very unexpected:> Daytona and Talladega. IMO he's getting the cream of the Ganassi crop> cars (although one could argue that might not be saying too much in the> big picture), and the biggest problem for him right now is the Charger> itself.> also, I didn't read Chip's comments re: Jamie's winning in the same> way as his comments about Sterling's need to win. I think Ganassi is> actually pretty keen to keep Jamie on the team (didn't Chip sell his> custom Newell motorhome to Jamie at an excellent price last month?).> Katharine> Julia & Katherine: IMHO, Ganassi is equal to fellow openwheel owner Cal Wells. They both have had success previously & expected to have the same amount of success in Stockcars BUT neither of them get the difference. Take it to the bank that Ganassi can't keep McMurray from taking over the #2 Penske ride in '06. Wells should 'restart' in the CTS. CRU
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Guest 14 May 2005 19:01:44 [ permanent link ]
	Crusader wrote: Take it to the bank that Ganassi can't keep McMurray from taking over> the #2 Penske ride in '06. Wells should 'restart' in the CTS. but I thought Jamie's NOT going to the Blue Deuce next year was pretty much a done deal? maybe 2007, but Havoline/Texaco probably wants to get their $.o2, erm, 2000000000000000 cents in too. Ganassi's transitioning problems aside, I can't see what big advantgages JM gets by moving to Penske. he goes from the big fish to a small fish and the Penske drivers are only doing slightly better than he is now. not to mention the danger to his tenure if he breaks up with Rusty's daughter. then again he had a rotten car last week and still managed to finish 6th, so maybe a small improvement in equipment would translate into more consistent finishes. Katharine, whose biggest objection to such a switch would be removed if JM took Texaco with him to Penske
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Crusader 14 May 2005 23:01:56 [ permanent link ]
	<malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message news:1116078599.396962.7990@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Crusader wrote:> > Take it to the bank that Ganassi can't keep McMurray from taking over> > the #2 Penske ride in '06. Wells should 'restart' in the CTS.> but I thought Jamie's NOT going to the Blue Deuce next year was pretty> much a done deal? maybe 2007, but Havoline/Texaco probably wants to> get their $.o2, erm, 2000000000000000 cents in too.> Ganassi's transitioning problems aside, I can't see what big> advantgages JM gets by moving to Penske. he goes from the big fish to> a small fish and the Penske drivers are only doing slightly better than> he is now. not to mention the danger to his tenure if he breaks up> with Rusty's daughter. I done fergot 'bout that one! Beware of Female Entanglements, er...shoulda been Foreign Es, eh? Yeah i see what u mean, they are both Dodge teams but maybe JMac could larn somethin bout Qualifying from Rocketman? CRU then again he had a rotten car last week and still managed to finish> 6th, so maybe a small improvement in equipment would translate into> more consistent finishes.> Katharine, whose biggest objection to such a switch would be removed if> JM took Texaco with him to Penske>
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Julia 15 May 2005 01:23:47 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-05-13 04:33:03 -0400, malonekath@aol.com said: Julia wrote:> Katharine, who has no idea how Sterling is going to "win a couple> of>>> races" if Ganassi keeps giving him cars that conk out halfway> through>>> the race, and who wonders, if he really is entertaining 2 or 3> other>>> offers, why Sterling would re-sign with at team which in her> opinion>>> has treated him rather shabbily this year>> exactly.... he put the same amount of pressure on Jamie last year to>> get into the chase ~ and gave him at least 4 faulty engines.... now> he>> is saying that he expects Jamie to win a number of races this year.> I>> would love to see that too ~ but he will have to lose his ride first,> 'cause I just don't think winning is gonna happen in a Ganassi car.> wrt to Jamie, I definitely agree about the first part of last> season--there was definitely a problem with the engines of some of his> cars. but by the second half of the season he pretty much had the best> equipment on the team. (as for not making the Chase--I put that> squarely on the points deduction for cheating) actually, Jamie's engine troubles were more towards the middle of the season ~ when he really needed some consistent runs to make it into the chase.... I don't really feel like I can blame the points deduction for his not making the chase. If he had been given consistenty good equipment then the 25 points wouldn't have made a difference. and I think that's been the case this year too--this year he clearly> had one of the top cars at 2 places I found that to be very unexpected:> Daytona and Talladega. IMO he's getting the cream of the Ganassi crop> cars (although one could argue that might not be saying too much in the> big picture), and the biggest problem for him right now is the Charger> itself. Jamie's team had examined their performance over the past two years and decided that his two weakest areas were restrictor plate tracks and road courses ~ so they have spent at least a year focusing on improving those two areas.... it paid off with his strong runs on the road courses last year and it's beginning to show on the plate tracks as well. I think he may be getting the cream of the Ganassi crop now, but I don't really have an issue with that. Someone has to get it, and it makes sense to put it with the driver that performs well with it... but you are definitely right ~ the Charger is the issue. also, I didn't read Chip's comments re: Jamie's winning in the same> way as his comments about Sterling's need to win. I think Ganassi is> actually pretty keen to keep Jamie on the team (didn't Chip sell his> custom Newell motorhome to Jamie at an excellent price last month?). I'm not so sure that Chip is as keen on keeping Jamie in the long term.... certainly to the end of this contract period. Everytime Chip gets a sniff that Stremme and Sorrenson are developing nicely, I think he gets it in his head that anyone in his current Cup seats is expendible. -- .."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo" http://www.u2.com/music/lyrics.php?song=447&list=v
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Julia 15 May 2005 01:25:38 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-05-14 09:01:56 -0400, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> said: <malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message> news:1116078599.396962.7990@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>> Crusader wrote:>>> Take it to the bank that Ganassi can't keep McMurray from taking over>>> the #2 Penske ride in '06. Wells should 'restart' in the CTS.>> but I thought Jamie's NOT going to the Blue Deuce next year was pretty>> much a done deal? maybe 2007, but Havoline/Texaco probably wants to>> get their $.o2, erm, 2000000000000000 cents in too.>> Ganassi's transitioning problems aside, I can't see what big>> advantgages JM gets by moving to Penske. he goes from the big fish to>> a small fish and the Penske drivers are only doing slightly better than>> he is now. not to mention the danger to his tenure if he breaks up>> with Rusty's daughter.> I done fergot 'bout that one!> Beware of Female Entanglements, er...shoulda been Foreign Es, eh? I don't think the relationship issues are as big as some may think.... Rusty was joking on Trackside about how the two of them are on again / off again so often that he never knows what's going on ~ and it didn't seem to bother him. Yeah i see what u mean, they are both Dodge teams but maybe JMac> could larn somethin bout Qualifying from Rocketman?> CRU> then again he had a rotten car last week and still managed to finish>> 6th, so maybe a small improvement in equipment would translate into>> more consistent finishes.>> Katharine, whose biggest objection to such a switch would be removed if>> JM took Texaco with him to Penske -- .."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo" http://www.u2.com/music/lyrics.php?song=447&list=v
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Julia 15 May 2005 01:34:19 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-05-14 05:01:44 -0400, malonekath@aol.com said: Crusader wrote:> Take it to the bank that Ganassi can't keep McMurray from taking over>> the #2 Penske ride in '06. Wells should 'restart' in the CTS.> but I thought Jamie's NOT going to the Blue Deuce next year was pretty> much a done deal? maybe 2007, but Havoline/Texaco probably wants to> get their $.o2, erm, 2000000000000000 cents in too. I think you're right about that ~ Jamie is staying put (at least through next season). Ganassi's transitioning problems aside, I can't see what big> advantgages JM gets by moving to Penske. he goes from the big fish to> a small fish and the Penske drivers are only doing slightly better than> he is now. not to mention the danger to his tenure if he breaks up> with Rusty's daughter. possibly slightly better technology with Penske?!? then again he had a rotten car last week and still managed to finish> 6th, so maybe a small improvement in equipment would translate into> more consistent finishes. it would be worth a shot, IMO. -- ..."You don't need to prove a thing to me Just give me faith, make me believe"... "$1 to Dave Matthews ~ from "Save Me" http://www.nancies.org/music/lyrics/saveme/
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Guest 16 May 2005 19:59:46 [ permanent link ]
	Crusader wrote: Yeah i see what u mean, they are both Dodge teams but maybe JMac> could larn somethin bout Qualifying from Rocketman? possibly. but for some strange reason it doesn't matter where JMac qualifies. if the car is good, he's up front no matter where he starts from. if it's not, he's not. a Pole would be nice to get him into the Shootout, but I don't think it's the lack of Poles which is keeping him from Victory Lane. Katharine
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Crusader 17 May 2005 03:18:14 [ permanent link ]
	<malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message news:1116255565.759347.193240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> Crusader wrote:> > Yeah i see what u mean, they are both Dodge teams but maybe JMac> > could larn somethin bout Qualifying from Rocketman?> possibly. but for some strange reason it doesn't matter where JMac> qualifies. if the car is good, he's up front no matter where he starts> from. if it's not, he's not. a Pole would be nice to get him into the> Shootout, but I don't think it's the lack of Poles which is keeping him> from Victory Lane.> Katharine> So what is keeping Jamie Mac from Vic Lane? His 1fer89 is terrible compared to Bif's 6fer89. But his 43 to 21 Top10 finishes vs Bif just doesn't compute. Jamie's attitude may be the difference. Bif will do what it takes. Opinions? CRU-who's liking Bif's attitude better than in his 'Harvick Days'.
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Julia 17 May 2005 03:53:24 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-05-16 13:18:14 -0400, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> said: <malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message> news:1116255565.759347.193240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>> Crusader wrote:>>> Yeah i see what u mean, they are both Dodge teams but maybe JMac>>> could larn somethin bout Qualifying from Rocketman?>> possibly. but for some strange reason it doesn't matter where JMac>> qualifies. if the car is good, he's up front no matter where he starts>> from. if it's not, he's not. a Pole would be nice to get him into the>> Shootout, but I don't think it's the lack of Poles which is keeping him>> from Victory Lane.>> Katharine>> So what is keeping Jamie Mac from Vic Lane? driving a Dodge.... they have less than 10% of the wins in the past year and a half ~ compared to over 30% for the Fords (who have about half as many cars as Dodge in the field). His 1fer89 is terrible compared to Bif's 6fer89.> But his 43 to 21 Top10 finishes vs Bif just doesn't compute. Jamie is on a second tier Dodge team ~ Biffle is on the dominant Ford team. I'm not surprised that Biffle is bringing home wins ~ all the Rousch cars are (or should be). I believe his talent keeps him running towards the front, but the car holds him back from getting there. Jamie's attitude may be the difference. Bif will do what it takes.> Opinions? nope... it's not his attitude. If he was the mental toughness to win in the Truck and Busch Series in almost any competitive equipment that they put him in, then he has it for the Cup Series as well. Jamie will do what it takes, but when he doesn't have a car that can get out front, there is not much more that he can do. I'm sure that Jamie will win in Cup soon enough, but driving a Dodge is making it a little tougher ~ IMO. -- ..."You don't need to prove a thing to me ~ just give me faith, make me believe"... $1 to Dave Matthews ~ from "Save Me" http://www.nancies.org/music/lyrics/saveme/
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Guest 17 May 2005 20:10:55 [ permanent link ]
	Julia wrote:> Crusader wrote: So what is keeping Jamie Mac from Vic Lane?> driving a Dodge.... they have less than 10% of the wins in the past> year and a half ~ compared to over 30% for the Fords (who have about half as many cars as Dodge in the field). that and the fact Biffle drives for Rousch. His 1fer89 is terrible compared to Bif's 6fer89.> > But his 43 to 21 Top10 finishes vs Bif just doesn't compute.> Jamie is on a second tier Dodge team ~ Biffle is on the dominant Ford team. I'm not surprised that Biffle is bringing home wins ~ all the> Rousch cars are (or should be). I believe his talent keeps him running> towards the front, but the car holds him back from getting there. exactly. if you put Jamie in the same car as Biffle, he'd out drive Biffle just as he has for the last few years. but the new Charger + the changes NASCAR made have been a real problem for all of the Dodge teams. Jamie's attitude may be the difference. Bif will do what it takes.> > Opinions?> nope... it's not his attitude. If he was the mental toughness to win in the Truck and Busch Series in almost any competitive equipment that> they put him in, then he has it for the Cup Series as well. Jamie will> do what it takes, but when he doesn't have a car that can get out> front, there is not much more that he can do. he's pretty competitive, Cru, and that's a pretty consistent assessment of him trackside too. haven't you seen that this season? last season too. he was clearly going for the win at Talladega and I really think he was also going for the win at Richmond (prior to the #5 tapping him and ruining his run). at Phoenix he had a top 10, and afterward he was pretty open about the fact taht he didn't have a top 10 car. but somehow he managed a pretty good finish. the problem is the car. I'm sure that Jamie will win in Cup soon enough, but driving a Dodge making it a little tougher ~ IMO. yes, it's great to win, and I hope he wins his next Cup race very soon. but I think the focus everyone is putting on "the next win" detracts from his very real accomplishments in his 2 full years of racing: ROTY and then the $1M bridesmaid, not to mention the fact in his 3rd year he's in the top 10 for points. Julia is exactly right when she points to the car. Cru, do you honestly think that if the same bodies, the same spoilers, the same gear packages and the same tires that were run last year were being run this year that Biffle would have the success he is having this year? Look at last year: av. finish av. standings av. points McMurray 13.22 13.11 127.69 Biffle 19.19 20.75 108.39 all of that being said, I'd rather root for a driver who is a solid, consistent finisher v. someone who wins one week and fades back for a few b/c it's the first scenario that gets a driver into the Chase. Katharine
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	malonek...@aol.com wrote:> Julia wrote:> > Crusader wrote:> So what is keeping Jamie Mac from Vic Lane?> > driving a Dodge.... they have less than 10% of the wins in the past> > year and a half ~ compared to over 30% for the Fords (who have about> > half as many cars as Dodge in the field). [snip] Jamie's attitude may be the difference. Bif will do what it takes.> > > Opinions?> > nope... it's not his attitude. If he was the mental toughness to in the Truck and Busch Series in almost any competitive equipment> that> > they put him in, then he has it for the Cup Series as well. Jamie> will> > do what it takes, but when he doesn't have a car that can get out> > front, there is not much more that he can do. [snip] I'm sure that Jamie will win in Cup soon enough, but driving a Dodge> is> > making it a little tougher ~ IMO.> yes, it's great to win, and I hope he wins his next Cup race very soon.> but I think the focus everyone is putting on "the next win" detracts> from his very real accomplishments in his 2 full years of racing: ROTY> and then the $1M bridesmaid, not to mention the fact in his 3rd year> he's in the top 10 for points. Julia is exactly right when she points> to the car. Cru, do you honestly think that if the same bodies, the> same spoilers, the same gear packages and the same tires that were last year were being run this year that Biffle would have the success> he is having this year? Look at last year: [snip] I apologize for the bad netiquette of following up on my own post, but it's not just us Dodge/McM fans making excuses: --------------- Observations A lot has been made about Dodge going this far into the season without a win, but any time a manufacturer rolls out a new model there's a period of adjustment. Nextel Cup teams don't work so hard making their cars good because they enjoy the task. They work that hard just trying to keep up. Chevrolet and Ford teams working with the same cars they had in 2004 still had to adjust to smaller spoilers for 2005, but the introduction of the Charger gave Dodge teams another huge variable in their equations. http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/11655121.htm ---------------- Katharine
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Crusader 17 May 2005 22:41:17 [ permanent link ]
	<malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message news:1116349407.903424.20860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> malonek...@aol.com wrote:> > Julia wrote:> > > Crusader wrote:> > So what is keeping Jamie Mac from Vic Lane?> > > driving a Dodge.... they have less than 10% of the wins in the past> > > year and a half ~ compared to over 30% for the Fords (who have> about> > > half as many cars as Dodge in the field).> [snip]> Jamie's attitude may be the difference. Bif will do what it> takes.> > > > Opinions?> > > nope... it's not his attitude. If he was the mental toughness to> win> > > in the Truck and Busch Series in almost any competitive equipment> > that> > > they put him in, then he has it for the Cup Series as well. Jamie> > will> > > do what it takes, but when he doesn't have a car that can get out> > > front, there is not much more that he can do.> [snip]> I'm sure that Jamie will win in Cup soon enough, but driving a> Dodge> > is> > > making it a little tougher ~ IMO.> > yes, it's great to win, and I hope he wins his next Cup race very> soon.> > but I think the focus everyone is putting on "the next win" detracts> > from his very real accomplishments in his 2 full years of racing:> ROTY> > and then the $1M bridesmaid, not to mention the fact in his 3rd year> > he's in the top 10 for points. Julia is exactly right when she> points> > to the car. Cru, do you honestly think that if the same bodies, the> > same spoilers, the same gear packages and the same tires that were> run> > last year were being run this year that Biffle would have the success> > he is having this year? Look at last year:> [snip]> I apologize for the bad netiquette of following up on my own post, but> it's not just us Dodge/McM fans making excuses:> ---------------> Observations> A lot has been made about Dodge going this far into the season without> a win, but any time a manufacturer rolls out a new model there's a> period of adjustment. Nextel Cup teams don't work so hard making their> cars good because they enjoy the task. They work that hard just trying> to keep up. Chevrolet and Ford teams working with the same cars they> had in 2004 still had to adjust to smaller spoilers for 2005, but the> introduction of the Charger gave Dodge teams another huge variable in> their equations.> http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/11655121.htm> ----------------> Katharine> Oh there is little doubt that Dodge had more work to do for '05. Maybe the Biffle wins came from the Roush-Yates Engine Combine middle of '04. 'They' say that 2nd win is often times tuffer to get than the 1st one, sure wish Jamie Mac would git 'er done soon! Rocketman can tie his career longest winless streak (20) at Coke600 Good stuff, Ladies! CRU
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Guest 18 May 2005 20:54:24 [ permanent link ]
	Julia wrote:> On 2005-05-14 05:01:44 -0400, malonekath@aol.com said:> Crusader wrote:> > Take it to the bank that Ganassi can't keep McMurray from taking over> >> the #2 Penske ride in '06. Wells should 'restart' in the CTS.> > but I thought Jamie's NOT going to the Blue Deuce next year was pretty> > much a done deal? maybe 2007, but Havoline/Texaco probably wants get their $.o2, erm, 2000000000000000 cents in too.> I think you're right about that ~ Jamie is staying put (at least> through next season). along those same lines, here's part of Marty Smith's column from yesterday: ==================== Marty, Is there any word on who will replace Rusty in the No. 2 car next season? -- Jennelle Newton I spoke with Rusty Wallace about that very subject last week, Jennelle, and he had no news for me other than to say that Roger Penske would make the final decision on Wallace's replacement. Currently, the hot rumor is former IRL champion Sam Hornish. That rumor holds water since he's young, marketable and proven, already drives for Penske in the Indy Racing League and has been in the NASCAR rumor mill before with DEI and Pennzoil. Wallace, Penske and Miller Brewing Company would certainly love to have Jamie McMurray in the seat. But McMurray has one more option year on his current contract with Ganassi -- and it is Ganassi's decision whether or not to exercise that option (as if he wouldn't do so), and Wallace said that Penske has no desire to speak with drivers already under contract with another owner. http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/features/last_lap/05/17/lastlap_mailbag/index.html =========================== Katharine, who of course realizes that this could all be smoke and mirrors
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WildWeasel 18 May 2005 21:39:13 [ permanent link ]
	<malonekath> wrote ...> ====================> Marty,> Is there any word on who will replace Rusty in the No. 2 car next> season? -- Jennelle Newton> I spoke with Rusty Wallace about that very subject last week, Jennelle,> and he had no news for me other than to say that Roger Penske would> make the final decision on Wallace's replacement.> Currently, the hot rumor is former IRL champion Sam Hornish. That rumor> holds water since he's young, marketable and proven, already drives for> Penske in the Indy Racing League and has been in the NASCAR rumor mill> before with DEI and Pennzoil.> Wallace, Penske and Miller Brewing Company would certainly love to have> Jamie McMurray in the seat. But McMurray has one more option year on> his current contract with Ganassi -- and it is Ganassi's decision> whether or not to exercise that option (as if he wouldn't do so), and> Wallace said that Penske has no desire to speak with drivers already> under contract with another owner.> http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/features/last_lap/05/17/lastlap_mailbag/index.html> ===========================> Katharine, who of course realizes that this could all be smoke and> mirrors> I would expect it is, at least the Wallace part of "Wallace, Penske and Miller Brewing Company would certainly love ..." considering Roger bought out Rusty's part of Penske South. http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-penske&prov=ap&type=lgns Penske Performance Inc., majority shareholder of Penske Racing South, said Monday it has bought out Rusty Wallace, Don Miller and John Erickson. I think this is funny: Miller recently denied he and Wallace would leave Penske along with Newman and crew chief Matt Borland to form a new operation at the end of this year. NEWMAN? I didn't think RW and RN were that close!
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Crusader 19 May 2005 02:10:12 [ permanent link ]
	"WildWeasel" <wweasel_24@HooYah.com> wrote in message news:qfKcnVfhysaC8hbfUSdV9g@ptd.net...> <malonekath> wrote ...> > ====================> > Marty,> > Is there any word on who will replace Rusty in the No. 2 car next> > season? -- Jennelle Newton> > I spoke with Rusty Wallace about that very subject last week, Jennelle,> > and he had no news for me other than to say that Roger Penske would> > make the final decision on Wallace's replacement.> > Currently, the hot rumor is former IRL champion Sam Hornish. That rumor> > holds water since he's young, marketable and proven, already drives for> > Penske in the Indy Racing League and has been in the NASCAR rumor mill> > before with DEI and Pennzoil.> > Wallace, Penske and Miller Brewing Company would certainly love to have> > Jamie McMurray in the seat. But McMurray has one more option year on> > his current contract with Ganassi -- and it is Ganassi's decision> > whether or not to exercise that option (as if he wouldn't do so), and> > Wallace said that Penske has no desire to speak with drivers already> > under contract with another owner.> > http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/features/last_lap/05/17/lastlap_mailbag/index.html> > ===========================> > Katharine, who of course realizes that this could all be smoke and mirrors> > I would expect it is, at least the Wallace part of "Wallace, Penske and Miller> Brewing Company would certainly love ..." considering Roger bought out Rusty's> part of Penske South.> http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-penske&prov=ap&type=lgns> Penske Performance Inc., majority shareholder of Penske Racing South, said> Monday it has bought out Rusty Wallace, Don Miller and John Erickson.> I think this is funny: Miller recently denied he and Wallace would leave Penske> along with Newman and crew chief Matt Borland to form a new operation at the end> of this year.> NEWMAN? I didn't think RW and RN were that close!> Maybe Ryan listened to Rusty when he was speaking about Stock Options? I thot Kenny Wallace made a valid point on N This Morning (at 5pm) when he equated Rusty's option as cashing in a 401k. I can't imagine the High Finances involved between Racers? Cru-is my Social Security check here yet?
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Julia 19 May 2005 07:17:35 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-05-17 08:41:17 -0400, "Crusader" <cru32@comcast.net> said: <malonekath@aol.com> wrote in message> news:1116349407.903424.20860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>> malonek...@aol.com wrote:>>> Julia wrote:>>>> Crusader wrote:>>> So what is keeping Jamie Mac from Vic Lane?>>>> driving a Dodge.... they have less than 10% of the wins in the past>>>> year and a half ~ compared to over 30% for the Fords (who have>> about>>>> half as many cars as Dodge in the field).>> [snip]>> Jamie's attitude may be the difference. Bif will do what it>> takes.>>>>> Opinions?>>>> nope... it's not his attitude. If he was the mental toughness to>> win>>>> in the Truck and Busch Series in almost any competitive equipment>>> that>>>> they put him in, then he has it for the Cup Series as well. Jamie>>> will>>>> do what it takes, but when he doesn't have a car that can get out>>>> front, there is not much more that he can do.>> [snip]>> I'm sure that Jamie will win in Cup soon enough, but driving a>> Dodge>>> is>>>> making it a little tougher ~ IMO.>>> yes, it's great to win, and I hope he wins his next Cup race very>> soon.>>> but I think the focus everyone is putting on "the next win" detracts>>> from his very real accomplishments in his 2 full years of racing:>> ROTY>>> and then the $1M bridesmaid, not to mention the fact in his 3rd year>>> he's in the top 10 for points. Julia is exactly right when she>> points>>> to the car. Cru, do you honestly think that if the same bodies, the>>> same spoilers, the same gear packages and the same tires that were>> run>>> last year were being run this year that Biffle would have the success>>> he is having this year? Look at last year:>> [snip]>> I apologize for the bad netiquette of following up on my own post, but>> it's not just us Dodge/McM fans making excuses:>> --------------->> Observations>> A lot has been made about Dodge going this far into the season without>> a win, but any time a manufacturer rolls out a new model there's a>> period of adjustment. Nextel Cup teams don't work so hard making their>> cars good because they enjoy the task. They work that hard just trying>> to keep up. Chevrolet and Ford teams working with the same cars they>> had in 2004 still had to adjust to smaller spoilers for 2005, but the>> introduction of the Charger gave Dodge teams another huge variable in>> their equations.>> http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/11655121.htm>> ---------------->> Katharine>> Oh there is little doubt that Dodge had more work to do for '05.> Maybe the Biffle wins came from the Roush-Yates Engine Combine> middle of '04. 'They' say that 2nd win is often times tuffer to get> than the 1st one, sure wish Jamie Mac would git 'er done soon!> Rocketman can tie his career longest winless streak (20) at Coke600 > Good stuff, Ladies!> CRU okay stats guy, I got one for you ~ how often does a driver get his first and second wins at the same track?... (besides Mikey and his Daytona wins). -- .."fear is the lock, and laughter the key to your heart"... $1 to Stephen Stills (CSNY) from "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/lyrics/suite_judy_blue_eyes.html
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Guest 19 May 2005 20:40:01 [ permanent link ]
	Crusader wrote:> "Julia" <jpchick83@gmail.com> wrote in message Big ol CRUsnip to:> Oh there is little doubt that Dodge had more work to do for '05.> > > Maybe the Biffle wins came from the Roush-Yates Engine Combine> > > middle of '04. 'They' say that 2nd win is often times tuffer to than the 1st one, sure wish Jamie Mac would git 'er done soon!> > > Rocketman can tie his career longest winless streak (20) at Coke600 > > > Good stuff, Ladies!> > > CRU> > okay stats guy, I got one for you ~ how often does a driver get his> > first and second wins at the same track?... (besides Mikey and his> > Daytona wins).> Y woodja ask that? Where did Jamie Mac get his 1st & only win?> Here's my standard answer to tuff stat questions:> Please consult http://racing-reference.com> Have fun looking up thousands of drivers ;)> Cru-lazy look! Julia has stumped Cru! Katharine, amazed that there are stats Cru hasn't cru-mpiled
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