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What if Ferrari did a BAR?

Rparlato@Yahoo.Com 17 March 2005 20:28:42
 This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if
they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next
race.

What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing
for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move
good for the sport?

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Nick Beef 17 March 2005 20:41:25 [ permanent link ]
 In article <1111076922.934625.­224050@l41g2000cwc.g­ooglegroups.com>,
rparlato@yahoo.com says...> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next> race.>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move> good for the sport?


LOL!!!

'...the GOOD of the sport'

LMAO!!!


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Phil Newnham 17 March 2005 21:35:59 [ permanent link ]
 rparlato@yahoo.com wrote:> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next> race.>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move> good for the sport?

Given the endless requests for clarification of the rules before the
season, and Charlie Whiting's clear statement that any car that retired
could have a free change, it's no surprise whatsoever that they decided
to do that. It's not cheating, it's legal, and it's rubbing the FIA's
nose in their own stupidity - if Ferrari did it, I'd be just as much in
favour.

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Roy A Johnson 17 March 2005 22:34:47 [ permanent link ]
 And this loophole has been plugged.
BAR followed the rules to benefit them.It's nothing new.
Remember MS coming into the pits on the last lap for a 10 second penalty and
winning by sitting in the pit lane?
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<rparlato@yahoo.com­> wrote in message
news:1111076922.934­625.224050@l41g2000c­wc.googlegroups.com.­..> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next> race.>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move> good for the sport?>


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F2004: 15 of 17*** 17 March 2005 22:44:18 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:35:59 +0000, Phil Newnham
<pnewnhamat@yahoodo­t.com> wrote:>rparlato@yah­oo.com wrote:>> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if>> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next>> race.>>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>> good for the sport?

Formula England: It's all about the bloody spectacle, old bean.
Given the endless requests for clarification of the rules before the >season, and Charlie Whiting's clear statement that any car that retired >could have a free change, it's no surprise whatsoever that they decided >to do that. It's not cheating, it's legal, and it's rubbing the FIA's >nose in their own stupidity - if Ferrari did it, I'd be just as much in >favour.

You lying cur...

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Stefan Mazur 17 March 2005 22:51:34 [ permanent link ]
 
rparlato@yahoo.com wrote:> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the
next> race.>

It would be much worse then that. Teams like, say, Toyota would
publicly complain and the FIA migth even go as far as closing the
obvious loophole in the rule.
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move> good for the sport?

How about if McLaren took a 10 second penalty after a race? Or if
Williams asked it's drivers to swap positions in the last corner? Or
if, say Alonso in a very condescending manner asked track marshals to
run over to is car to push him back on track when they had clearly
decided that the car was ok were it was?

Would you be screaming Formula England at everyone?

Of course you wouldn't. You're so much more interested in "the good of
the sport" then the rest of us.

Stefan Mazur

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Paul-B 17 March 2005 22:55:55 [ permanent link ]
 rparlato@yahoo.com wrote:
This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the> next race.>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move> good for the sport?

Nice try, but no cigar!

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Phil Newnham 17 March 2005 23:03:06 [ permanent link ]
 F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:35:59 +0000, Phil Newnham> <pnewnhamat@yahoodo­t.com> wrote:>
rparlato@yahoo.co­m wrote:>>
This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if>>>they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next>>>race.>>>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>>>for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>>>good for the sport?>
Formula England: It's all about the bloody spectacle, old bean.

How does limited testing agreement between 9 teams, mostly not British,
do anything for the spectacle or aid you in your tedious and pointless
promotion of the imaginary "Formula England"?
Given the endless requests for clarification of the rules before the >>season, and Charlie Whiting's clear statement that any car that retired >>could have a free change, it's no surprise whatsoever that they decided >>to do that. It's not cheating, it's legal, and it's rubbing the FIA's >>nose in their own stupidity - if Ferrari did it, I'd be just as much in >>favour.>
You lying cur...

I've been for the 2-race engine rule when, precisely?

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Bryan Henderson 17 March 2005 23:25:41 [ permanent link ]
 
<rparlato@yahoo.com­> wrote in message
news:1111076922.934­625.224050@l41g2000c­wc.googlegroups.com.­..> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next> race.>

not really it would mean they didn't win the race perhaps..


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F2004: 15 of 17*** 18 March 2005 00:00:40 [ permanent link ]
 On 17 Mar 2005 10:51:34 -0800, "Stefan Mazur" <smazur@ers.ca> wrote:>rparlato@yah­oo.com wrote:>> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if>> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next>> race.>> What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>> good for the sport?>
How about if McLaren took a 10 second penalty after a race?

That never happened.
Or if>Williams asked it's drivers to swap positions in the last corner?

McLaren would be the better example, and the answer is NOTHING, no one
seemed to mind a bit, every time.
Or if, say Alonso in a very condescending manner asked track marshals to>run over to is car to push him back on track when they had clearly>decided that the car was ok were it was?

...You're an imbecile.
Would you be screaming Formula England at everyone?

You have made NO point.

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Stefan Mazur 18 March 2005 01:01:07 [ permanent link ]
 
F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:>
...You're an imbecile.>

Dam it Mark, what does one have to do to merit the "fuckwit"?

Stefan Mazur
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F2004: 15 of 17*·** 18 March 2005 01:07:39 [ permanent link ]
 On 17 Mar 2005 13:01:07 -0800, "Stefan Mazur" <smazur@ers.ca> wrote:>F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:>> ...You're an imbecile.>
Dam it Mark, what does one have to do to merit the "fuckwit"?

...Merit the fuckwit, of course.

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F2004: 15 of 17*·** 18 March 2005 01:10:14 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:03:06 +0000, Phil Newnham
<dont_you_spam_me@b­tinternet.com> wrote:>F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:35:59 +0000, Phil Newnham>> <pnewnhamat@yahoodo­t.com> wrote:>>>rparlato@y­ahoo.com wrote:>>>>This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if>>>>they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next>>>>race.>>>>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>>>>for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>>>>good for the sport?>>
Formula England: It's all about the bloody spectacle, old bean.>
How does limited testing agreement between 9 teams, mostly not British, >do anything for the spectacle or aid you in your tedious and pointless >promotion of the imaginary "Formula England"?

Dude... Seriously: You can't follow anything that isn't laid out for
you like a string of dominoes. Seek cognitive therapy.
Given the endless requests for clarification of the rules before the >>>season, and Charlie Whiting's clear statement that any car that retired >>>could have a free change, it's no surprise whatsoever that they decided >>>to do that. It's not cheating, it's legal, and it's rubbing the FIA's >>>nose in their own stupidity - if Ferrari did it, I'd be just as much in >>>favour.>>
You lying cur...>
I've been for the 2-race engine rule when, precisely?

My misnomer: You're a lying plank.

...Fuckwit.
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Ian Dalziel 18 March 2005 01:16:04 [ permanent link ]
 On 17 Mar 2005 13:01:07 -0800, "Stefan Mazur" <smazur@ers.ca> wrote:
F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:>>
...You're an imbecile.>>
Dam it Mark, what does one have to do to merit the "fuckwit"?

Isn't that a grade milder than the "shitstain"?
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Phil Newnham 18 March 2005 04:05:42 [ permanent link ]
 F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:03:06 +0000, Phil Newnham> <dont_you_spam_me@b­tinternet.com> wrote:>
F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:>>
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:35:59 +0000, Phil Newnham>>><pnewnham­at@yahoodot.com> wrote:>>>
rparlato@yahoo.­com wrote:>>>>
This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if>>>>>they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next>>>>>race.>>>>>­
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>>>>>for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>>>>>good for the sport?>>>
Formula England: It's all about the bloody spectacle, old bean.>>
How does limited testing agreement between 9 teams, mostly not British, >>do anything for the spectacle or aid you in your tedious and pointless >>promotion of the imaginary "Formula England"?>
Dude... Seriously: You can't follow anything that isn't laid out for> you like a string of dominoes. Seek cognitive therapy.

The fact that I, and many others, cannot follow how you manage to
conjure Formula England out of bugger all is not cause for *my*
following a course of therapy.
Given the endless requests for clarification of the rules before the >>>>season, and Charlie Whiting's clear statement that any car that retired >>>>could have a free change, it's no surprise whatsoever that they decided >>>>to do that. It's not cheating, it's legal, and it's rubbing the FIA's >>>>nose in their own stupidity - if Ferrari did it, I'd be just as much in >>>>favour.>>>
You lying cur...>>
I've been for the 2-race engine rule when, precisely?>
My misnomer: You're a lying plank.>
...Fuckwit.

Again; I am not for this stupid rule. However you cut it.

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Phil

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Jago 18 March 2005 05:27:01 [ permanent link ]
 
"Phil Newnham" <pnewnhamat@yahoodo­t.com> wrote in message
news:d1cf5v$a3m$1@s­un-cc204.lut.ac.uk..­.> rparlato@yahoo.com wrote:>> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if>> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next>> race.>>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>> good for the sport?>
Given the endless requests for clarification of the rules before the > season, and Charlie Whiting's clear statement that any car that retired > could have a free change, it's no surprise whatsoever that they decided to > do that. It's not cheating, it's legal, and it's rubbing the FIA's nose in > their own stupidity - if Ferrari did it, I'd be just as much in favour.>
-- > Phil>
http://www.usefilm.­com/photographer/313­07.html

BAR's decision to go back to square one and run a new engine for another 2
race stretch, which I am certain they preconceived if they performed badly
in Australia, will probably hurt them in the third race. Malaysia is a
grueling race. BAR might do well there, but they'll still have to nurse
the engine for round three.

Jago


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BigBird 18 March 2005 06:27:30 [ permanent link ]
 
"F2004: 15 of 17*·**" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCh­eatingSwine.com> wrote in message
news:q0kj315n3817a1­vmcpff1h8vmodto5m1f3­@4ax.com...> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:35:59 +0000, Phil Newnham> <pnewnhamat@yahoodo­t.com> wrote:>>rparlato@ya­hoo.com wrote:>>> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if>>> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next>>> race.>>>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>>> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>>> good for the sport?>
Formula England: It's all about the bloody spectacle, old bean.>

One day you'll flip the record over and we'll all fall off our bloody
chairs...



















































...like hell you will.


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Da Frank 18 March 2005 12:43:51 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:27:30 -0000, "BigBird" <bigbird@int.net> wrote:
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>>>> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>>>> good for the sport?>>
Formula England: It's all about the bloody spectacle, old bean.>>
One day you'll flip the record over and we'll all fall off our bloody >chairs...>
He might, but it'll likely just play the same thing bacwards.
...like hell you will. >
Everyone likes home. :)­

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It's 420 Time! 18 March 2005 17:56:20 [ permanent link ]
 
<rparlato@yahoo.com­> wrote in message
news:1111076922.934­625.224050@l41g2000c­wc.googlegroups.com.­..> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next> race.

Yawnnn... BAR is making themselves look like they don't respect the 'intent'
of the rules..
If Ferrari did they same they would look equally bad...

Get over yourself already!


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Sky 18 March 2005 23:08:24 [ permanent link ]
 Ferrari DID do it. Albeit several laps earlier than BAR.
<rparlato@yahoo.com­> wrote in message
news:1111076922.934­625.224050@l41g2000c­wc.googlegroups.com.­..> This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if> they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next> race.>
What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing> for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move> good for the sport?>


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Vile Merchant 19 March 2005 15:55:00 [ permanent link ]
 
"Sky" <sky@skymicro.net> wrote in message
news:Gf2dnXw_yaixuq­bfRVn-uw@comcast.com­...> Ferrari DID do it. Albeit several laps earlier than BAR.

Retard. They are using the same engine for Malyasia.


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Da Frank 20 March 2005 07:18:49 [ permanent link ]
 On 17 Mar 2005 08:28:42 -0800, "rparlato@yahoo.com­"
<rparlato@yahoo.com­> wrote:
This group would be up in arms screaming for the death of Ferrari if>they pulled in on the last lap so they could change engines in the next>race.>What about BAR and the English gentleman's agreement to limit testing>for the good of the sport??? FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT! Is this move>good for the sport?>
FWIW, that won't happen. The FIA has tightened the rules, so no more
BAR tricks (no not talking about Kimi at all)
One has to wonder about the naivety of Mr "Oh, we'll watch them kids,
but i'm sure they will play nice" Mosley, not to have foreseen this.

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