NASCAR is so exciting! Watching an listening to announcers root for, field block for, and RULES rule for, slugs Jarret and Andretti while Carpentier, Villenue, and Said, who apparently can run over the regulars in a second rate car are forced to GO HOME is amazing. Racing at its best. Come Sunday, we'll all be speechless watching Jarret and Andretti slug it out.
On Feb 15, 11:21 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
NASCAR is so exciting! Watching an listening to announcers root for,
field block for, and RULES rule for, slugs Jarret and Andretti while
Carpentier, Villenue, and Said, who apparently can run over the
regulars in a second rate car are forced to GO HOME is amazing. Racing
at its best.
Come Sunday, we'll all be speechless watching Jarret and Andretti slug
it out.
Now hang on a second there, ace.
Dale Jarrett may be past his prime and ready to retire, but to call him a slug is simply not accurate. The man has a Cup championship, three Daytona 500 trophies and the respect of the racing community. None of those hot shot open wheel guys has a resume even approaching DJ's--at least not in NASCAR anyway.
If I remember right, Carpentier and Villeneuve are going home because they crashed out of the qualifying race. To be fair, Carpentier had a tire problem, but Villeneuve wrecked all by himself. Given enough time, either or both of these guys could have a Jarrett-like stat sheet at the end of their careers, but my money's on DJ.
As for Sunday, I think Andretti will probably finish near the back, but Jarrett will have at least a top 20 run.
Martin X. Moleski 15 February 2008 21:31:11 [ permanent link ]
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:21:49 CST, datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in <d966b694-b895-4621-b555-9a5a3362116c@64g2000hsw.googlegroups.com>:
NASCAR is so exciting! Watching an listening to announcers root for,
field block for, and RULES rule for, slugs Jarret and Andretti while
Carpentier, Villenue, and Said, who apparently can run over the
regulars in a second rate car are forced to GO HOME is amazing. Racing
at its best.
Come Sunday, we'll all be speechless watching Jarret and Andretti slug
it out.
I was going to write a diametrically opposed post all on my own.
You just happen to have beat me to the send button, so I'll lay it out here.
Once upon a time, I agreed with what you're saying.
When the IRL was formed and Indy qualifying was changed to give season-long contenders a guaranteed spot in the show, I started boycotting Bubble Day and the race itself. I didn't watch any 500s until ... Tony Stewart (?) tried the double. (Was he the first? Andretti?)
I am now going to say the three hardest words known to man. And I'm doing it without prompting from a woman, too!
I was wrong.
Last night as I was reviewing the qualifying list, I realized how many different races there are within races all season long.
Notables who didn't make the cut: Bill Elliot, Sterling Marlin, Ken Schrader (sentimental favorite of mine--what a guy!), Boris (like him a LOT), Carpentier, Villeneuve, and Allmendinger. They all had a fair and fighting chance and just couldn't put it all together in the Duels.
KuBu got to take a mulligan. I'm glad he's in the show.
Nemechek and Reutiman got in on speed. Boris was the Bubble boy--last man out.
I like Boris. His anguish was real. Cut a tire in the race! @#$%*&! You could see that it really hurt--especially since he would have been in if Reutiman had placed a little higher in the Duels.
On balance, I felt and feel hugely entertained.
Mission accomplished: NASCAR treated me right and I'm eager to see how things go on Sunday (though I may be out flying RC in the snow for part of the race).
Yes, it's a complex system. Yes, it has to be explained over and over again. Yes, other systems have been or could be used.
But I saw and felt the value of racing to stay in the top 35 all season long. The guys who were guaranteed a spot could plan differently in the off-season. They WON an advantage over the new guys. The complexity makes racing more interesting all season long.
Some radio or TV program (now gone?) used to boast that they focused on "the best race on the track." Because of NASCAR's complex system, that could be WAAAAY back in the pack. They don't talk about that any more, and maybe they don't do that any more, but I liked that approach to broadcasting the race.
There is a LOT of action--a lot of races inside the race. I find that satisfactory.
Marty
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Mike Simmons 15 February 2008 22:01:32 [ permanent link ]
"datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d966b694-b895-4621-b555-9a5a3362116c@64g2000hsw.googlegroups.com...
NASCAR is so exciting! Watching an listening to announcers root for,
field block for, and RULES rule for, slugs Jarret and Andretti while
Carpentier, Villenue, and Said, who apparently can run over the
regulars in a second rate car are forced to GO HOME is amazing. Racing
at its best.
Come Sunday, we'll all be speechless watching Jarret and Andretti slug
it out.
Before you go off the deep end, think about what you watched and what you are saying.
First of all, the duel's are "qualifying" races to determine who gets to compete in the 500. Sure, somebody has to win but the REAL story is who ultimately goes on to compete in the 500 so the announcers were indeed focusing on the story. As Mr Paxton so correctly pointed out, Villenueve and Carpentier crashed "themselves" out and were not assisted in any way, shape or form by the announcers. Sadly, Boris didn't make it on speed whereas Jarret and Andretti did. You may not like the outcome, but you can't blame the announcers or the process.
datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in news:d966b694-b895-4621-b555- 9a5a3362116c@64g2000hsw.googlegroups.com:
NASCAR is so exciting! Watching an listening to announcers root for,
field block for, and RULES rule for, slugs Jarret and Andretti while
Carpentier, Villenue, and Said, who apparently can run over the
regulars in a second rate car are forced to GO HOME is amazing. Racing
at its best.
Well, I'll grant you that Jarrett probably would not have gotten in without his teammates sacrificing position to line up behind him, but there's no way you can't view Andretti getting in as "racing at it's finest". He was in the position of race past some cars or go home, and he raced his way forward when it counted, without looking for help from anyone else. You can't ask for more than that.
As for Said & Villeneuve - they could have raced in, and they failed to - they didn't run over anyone, regulars or otherwise. That's racing - if you're not fast when it counts, it doesn't matter what you did the day before.
Carpentier had some bad luck (tire failure). That's racing too.
Martin X. Moleski 16 February 2008 00:08:58 [ permanent link ]
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:31:11 CST, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in <13rbiohj4k57580@news.supernews.com>:
... Once upon a time, I agreed with [the other poster].
When the IRL was formed and Indy qualifying was changed to
give season-long contenders a guaranteed spot in the show,
I started boycotting Bubble Day and the race itself. I didn't
watch any 500s until ... Tony Stewart (?) tried the double.
(Was he the first? Andretti?)
I am now going to say the three hardest words known to man.
And I'm doing it without prompting from a woman, too!
I was wrong.
I forgot to mention--and this may cost me some Moral Victory Points, so I say this cautiously--I may actually start paying more attention to Indy again. Tony George won. The show may be more entertaining that I thought it would be lo! all those years ago.
Marty -- Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in news:13rbnh49s57r024@news.supernews.com:
I forgot to mention--and this may cost me some Moral Victory
Points, so I say this cautiously--I may actually start
paying more attention to Indy again.
You should penalize yourself a chunk of MVP for having the temerity _not_ to treat Indy as the most important race in the world, which it rightfully is.
John
(dock yourself some more if you don't treat Le Mans as the second most important...)
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:31:11 CST, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote in <13rbiohj4k57580@news.supernews.com>:
... Once upon a time, I agreed with [the other poster].
When the IRL was formed and Indy qualifying was changed to
give season-long contenders a guaranteed spot in the show,
I started boycotting Bubble Day and the race itself. I didn't
watch any 500s until ... Tony Stewart (?) tried the double.
(Was he the first? Andretti?)
I am now going to say the three hardest words known to man.
And I'm doing it without prompting from a woman, too!
I was wrong.
I forgot to mention--and this may cost me some Moral Victory
Points, so I say this cautiously--I may actually start
paying more attention to Indy again. Tony George won.
The show may be more entertaining that I thought it would
be lo! all those years ago.
Marty
well, IMHO you've missed a helluva lot of good racing, I've been to every event since 82, while I agree the "month of May" has lost a lot of its luster, some of the best 500's have occurred since 95, albeit without the "best" drivers, with the new "spec" cars, let's just call it the nascarization of open wheel racing
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