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Re: Drivers on the grid that will and will not win the wdc
Ruddell 25 May 2005 22:17:26
	In <1117037532.041429.239120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ocea wrote: Villeneuve: He is not good enough anymore to win the wdc plus he has> the Williams curse thing going on. Is this like the Red Sox curse? -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply
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Thor 25 May 2005 22:37:46 [ permanent link ]
	ocea wrote: Jenson: He has the Williams curse thing going on but he can pull a> Mansell and win the wdc by RETURNING to Williams next season. He has> the potential to win 1 wdc.> Couldn't Montoya come back to Williams? Barrichello: He is just not good enough to win the wdc.> With the F2002/F2004 and withou MSchumacher, he would have won two titles. -- Thor -- Mieres del Camino --EspaГ±a
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Niall Wallace 25 May 2005 23:49:57 [ permanent link ]
	In 40 years no driver that won the F3000 championship won the F1 >championship I presume your including Formula 2 as F3000 championships? (Dont' know if an F2 champion [WAs there even one] ever won the F1 championship) Niall
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Brian Lawrence 26 May 2005 02:24:42 [ permanent link ]
	"Niall Wallace" <Some@bloke.com.Fake.Addy> wrote: In 40 years no driver that won the F3000 championship won the F1 championship> I presume your including Formula 2 as F3000 championships?> (Dont' know if an F2 champion [WAs there even one] ever won the F1 championship) Yes he was. European F2 Championship 1967-84, F3000 1985-2004. No European F2 Champion ever went on to win the F1 title. 1967 Jacky Ickx 8 F1 wins, runner-up 1969 & 1970 1968 Jean-Pierre Beltoise 1 win 1969 Johnny Servoz-Gavin 1970 Clay Regazzoni 5 wins, runner-up 1974 1971 Ronnie Peterson 10 wins, runner-up 1971 & 78 1972 Mike Hailwood 1973 Jean-Pierre Jarier 1974 Patrick Depailler 2 wins 1975 Jacques Laffite 6 wins 1976 Jean-Pierre Jabouille 2 wins 1977 Renй Arnoux 7 wins 1978 Bruno Giacomelli 1979 Marc Surer 1980 Brian Henton 1981 Geoff Lees 1982 Corrado Fabi 1983 Jonathan Palmer 1984 Mike Thackwell Between 1967-78 F1 drivers were able to compete in F2 (known as graded drivers), but were unable to score points. Note that Ronnie Peterson was runner-up in F1 in the same season that he was F2 champion. 1985 Christian Danner 1986 Ivan Capelli 1987 Stefano Modena 1988 Roberto Moreno 1989 Jean Alesi 1 win 1990 Erik Comas 1991 Christian Fittipaldi 1992 Luca Badoer 1993 Olivier Panis 1 win 1994 Jean-Christophe Boullion 1995 Vincenzo Sospiri 1996 Jцrg Mьller 1997 Ricardo Zonta 1998 Juan Pablo Montoya 4 wins 1999 Nick Heidfeld 2000 Bruno Junqueira 2001 Justin Wilson 2002 Sebastian Bourdais 2003 Bjorn Wirdheim 2004 Vitantonio Liuzzi -- Brian Lawrence Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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Falcon Freak 26 May 2005 05:24:51 [ permanent link ]
	"ocea" <oceanaught@netlimit.com> wrote in message news:1117037532.041429.239120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Michael: If he wants to win another wdc, Ferrari need to get their act> together and switch to Michelin, next year.> Kimi: Has the potential to win several wdcs> Alonso: Like Kimi, has the potential to win several wdcs.> Juan: He is double cursed, F3000 champion AND drove for Williams. In 40> years no driver that won the F3000 championship won the F1 championship> and no driver that has driven for Williams has gone on to win the title> in another team.... plus he is not consistent enough to win the wdc....> Jenson: He has the Williams curse thing going on but he can pull a> Mansell and win the wdc by RETURNING to Williams next season. He has> the potential to win 1 wdc.> Webber: He doesnt look good enough to win the wdc.> Fisichella: We are seeing that in a top team he is not a top driver and> he is just not good enough to win the wdc.> Barrichello: He is just not good enough to win the wdc.> Trulli: Good qualifier but not a good racer. He is not good enough to> win the wdc.> Villeneuve: He is not good enough anymore to win the wdc plus he has> the Williams curse thing going on.> Heidfeld: He doesnt look good enough to win the wdc plus he has the> F3000 champion curse thing going on.> Ralf: He is not consistent enough to win the wdc plus he has the> Williams curse thing going on.> Coulthard: Besides having the Williams curse thing going on, he is not> good enough nor was he ever good enough to win the wdc, not consistent> enough.> Sato: He doesnt seem to have the consistency to be champion nor do I> see potential.> Massa: I see potential, I could see him becoming the next South> American champion in the future.> Klien: Too early to tell.> Liuzzi: He has the F3000 champion curse going on, besides it is too> early to tell since he is so new in F1.> Minardi and Jordan drivers: Too early to tell.> You forgot to pass judgement on one other driver on the grid - the safety car driver! FF
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Randy Howard 26 May 2005 21:11:37 [ permanent link ]
	In article <3fkc9bF892bcU1@individual.net>, Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com says...> Between 1967-78 F1 drivers were able to compete in F2 (known as graded drivers),> but were unable to score points. Note that Ronnie Peterson was runner-up in F1> in the same season that he was F2 champion. I hate to bring this up, but shouldn't Clark be on this list?> 1985 Christian Danner> 1986 Ivan Capelli> 1987 Stefano Modena> 1988 Roberto Moreno> 1989 Jean Alesi 1 win> 1990 Erik Comas> 1991 Christian Fittipaldi> 1992 Luca Badoer> 1993 Olivier Panis 1 win> 1994 Jean-Christophe Boullion> 1995 Vincenzo Sospiri> 1996 Jцrg Mьller> 1997 Ricardo Zonta> 1998 Juan Pablo Montoya 4 wins> 1999 Nick Heidfeld> 2000 Bruno Junqueira> 2001 Justin Wilson> 2002 Sebastian Bourdais> 2003 Bjorn Wirdheim> 2004 Vitantonio Liuzzi> -- Randy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR) "I don't really care about being right you know, I just care about success." --Steve Jobs
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Hoth4Pznl 26 May 2005 21:44:03 [ permanent link ]
	"Randy Howard" <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1cffbec38f5d5d7398a82e@news.verizon.net...> In article <1117037532.041429.239120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,> oceanaught@netlimit.com says...> > Kimi: Has the potential to win several wdcs> Agree, but he's no Mika, unfortunately. He may win a few, but> he won't have done it against another drive of Mika or MS's> caliber when the opposition was at their prime. No, no, he only has to beat Alonso who with Kimi is already better than Schumacher. Hakkinen pfft it took him 4 years to win 1 race, he just proved in 98.99 how overrated Schumacher is.
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David Melville 26 May 2005 22:04:32 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 26 May 2005 18:35:17 +0100, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote: ocea <oceanaught@netlimit.com> wrote: [snip]> He's going nowhere good after Toyota. He and Ralf will see out their>careers on a raft of Yen. Are you saying Toyota's going nowhere good? [snip]>pete Cheers, Dave ------------------------------------------------ "I'd sell my soul for a Formula One racing car". "Bart! Stop pestering Satan!" ------------------------------------------------
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Brian Lawrence 26 May 2005 23:45:38 [ permanent link ]
	"Randy Howard" <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote: In article <3fkc9bF892bcU1@individual.net>,> Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com says... Between 1967-78 F1 drivers were able to compete in F2 (known as graded drivers),>> but were unable to score points. Note that Ronnie Peterson was runner-up in F1>> in the same season that he was F2 champion.> I hate to bring this up, but shouldn't Clark be on this list? He won one race in 1967, but wasn't eligible to score points. There was no established F2 championship before that year. -- Brian
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Doc Knutsen 27 May 2005 21:17:15 [ permanent link ]
	Brian Lawrence wrote:> "Randy Howard" <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote:> In article <3fkc9bF892bcU1@individual.net>,>>Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com says...> Between 1967-78 F1 drivers were able to compete in F2 (known as graded drivers),>>>but were unable to score points. Note that Ronnie Peterson was runner-up in F1>>>in the same season that he was F2 champion.>> I hate to bring this up, but shouldn't Clark be on this list?> He won one race in 1967, but wasn't eligible to score points. There was no> established F2 championship before that year. My memory must be playing tricks on me...coulda sworn Black Jack and the Bear dominated the F2 Championship in the 1-litre Brabham-Hondas....or did they just win a lot of individual races? Doc
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Brian Lawrence 27 May 2005 22:45:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Doc Knutsen" <doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com> wrote: Between 1967-78 F1 drivers were able to compete in F2 (known as graded drivers),>>>>but were unable to score points. Note that Ronnie Peterson was runner-up in F1>>>>in the same season that he was F2 champion.>>> I hate to bring this up, but shouldn't Clark be on this list?>> He won one race in 1967, but wasn't eligible to score points. There was no>> established F2 championship before that year.> My memory must be playing tricks on me...coulda sworn Black Jack and the Bear dominated the F2 > Championship in the 1-litre Brabham-Hondas....or did they just win a lot of individual races? I believe that was in 1966 - they won all six races that made up the Trophees de France F2 Championship. There were various other F2 races in 1966, but it wasn't until 1967 that a "proper" championship was created. http://www.formula2.net/ -- Brian
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Doc Knutsen 28 May 2005 11:11:25 [ permanent link ]
	Brian Lawrence wrote:> "Doc Knutsen" <doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com> wrote:> Between 1967-78 F1 drivers were able to compete in F2 (known as graded drivers),>>>>>but were unable to score points. Note that Ronnie Peterson was runner-up in F1>>>>>in the same season that he was F2 champion.>>>> I hate to bring this up, but shouldn't Clark be on this list?>>> He won one race in 1967, but wasn't eligible to score points. There was no>>>established F2 championship before that year.>> My memory must be playing tricks on me...coulda sworn Black Jack and the Bear dominated the F2 >>Championship in the 1-litre Brabham-Hondas....or did they just win a lot of individual races?> I believe that was in 1966 Yes, it was, the needle-roller-bearing screamer Hondas in the Brabhams relegated all Cosworth products to 2nd division. Went to a couple of those races. - they won all six races that made up the Trophees de> France F2 Championship. There were various other F2 races in 1966, but it wasn't> until 1967 that a "proper" championship was created. Ahah! It would have been the French series that I remembered as a proper European championship. Lovely cars, but too close in concept to the 1-litre F3s of the time, The 1600s from 1967 were much better....even though one of them killed wee Jimmy. Doc http://www.formula2.net/>
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