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Why Ferrari so bad?
Ricardo Paoletti 24 May 2005 06:25:59
	Conspiracy theory: FIA and Ferrari had it all worked out ($) to have the red cars at rear of the pack, or else the whole series would explode. Maybe not. But how is it that such a dominant team all of a sudden messes up so badly as to be consistently on the 5th or 6th row? How come everyone else, from Toyota up to McLaren, found a way with the new rules and Ferrari can't get ir right? Did they sleep during all of the off-season? Or is it really the tires+transmission+aero+declinining Schumer? R.
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F2005 . . . 24 May 2005 06:33:03 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 24 May 2005 02:25:59 GMT, "Ricardo Paoletti" <ricardopaoletti@hotmail.com> wrote:>Conspiracy theory: FIA and Ferrari had it all worked out ($) to have the red >cars at rear of the pack, or else the whole series would explode.> Maybe not. But how is it that such a dominant team all of a sudden messes up >so badly as to be consistently on the 5th or 6th row? How come everyone >else, from Toyota up to McLaren, found a way with the new rules and Ferrari >can't get ir right? Did they sleep during all of the off-season?> Or is it really the tires+transmission+aero+declinining Schumer? It's the tires.
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Da Frank 24 May 2005 06:44:48 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 24 May 2005 02:25:59 GMT, "Ricardo Paoletti" <ricardopaoletti@hotmail.com> wrote: Conspiracy theory: FIA and Ferrari had it all worked out ($) to have the red >cars at rear of the pack, or else the whole series would explode.> Maybe not. But how is it that such a dominant team all of a sudden messes up >so badly as to be consistently on the 5th or 6th row? How come everyone >else, from Toyota up to McLaren, found a way with the new rules and Ferrari >can't get ir right? Did they sleep during all of the off-season?> Cars are a package. As soon as something is changed in the rules, the package can be broken. In this case, with the tyre having to last the whole race Bridgestone failed to come up with an answer and Ferrari's own attempts to compensate for the lack of grip are not working. Perhaps the 2 race engine rule also whacked them on the head with regards to power. If you want to talk about controversy, then rather ask how come that Schumi generally rockets into the top lap times straight after his first refueling. Funny Shell additive, or is it just that, that is their window where they can up the engine to full revs, or perhaps is that when those hard Bridgies become drivable.. I vote No2 and 3, but No1 crossed my mind for, oh, 10 seconds.. Or is it really the tires+transmission+aero+declinining Schumer?> Doesn't explain the similarly declining Rubens. -- Regards, Frank
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Djrjr 24 May 2005 06:47:31 [ permanent link ]
	"F2005..." <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message newsj4591d3gsp2rbptbb4jgp8729ji2q934m@4ax.com...> On Tue, 24 May 2005 02:25:59 GMT, "Ricardo Paoletti"> <ricardopaoletti@hotmail.com> wrote:>>Conspiracy theory: FIA and Ferrari had it all worked out ($) to have the >>red>>cars at rear of the pack, or else the whole series would explode.>> Maybe not. But how is it that such a dominant team all of a sudden messes >>up>>so badly as to be consistently on the 5th or 6th row? How come everyone>>else, from Toyota up to McLaren, found a way with the new rules and >>Ferrari>>can't get ir right? Did they sleep during all of the off-season?>> Or is it really the tires+transmission+aero+declinining Schumer?> It's the tires.> I bet Ferrari change the tire rules or they will be using Michelins next year too..
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Ts 24 May 2005 10:19:11 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 24 May 2005 02:25:59 +0000, Ricardo Paoletti wrote: Conspiracy theory: FIA and Ferrari had it all worked out ($) to have the red > cars at rear of the pack, or else the whole series would explode.> Maybe not. But how is it that such a dominant team all of a sudden messes up > so badly as to be consistently on the 5th or 6th row? How come everyone > else, from Toyota up to McLaren, found a way with the new rules and Ferrari > can't get ir right? Did they sleep during all of the off-season?> Or is it really the tires+transmission+aero+declinining Schumer? People seem to forget how incredibly difficult it is to get to the top of any sport, much less stay there for any length of time. The amazing thing is not that Ferrari seems to have fallen (or been pushed) off the top rung, but that they managed stay there so long. -ts
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Peter 24 May 2005 13:05:26 [ permanent link ]
	Ricardo Paoletti <ricardopaoletti@hotmail.com> writes>Conspiracy theory: FIA and Ferrari had it all worked out ($) to have the red>cars at rear of the pack, or else the whole series would explode.> Maybe not. But how is it that such a dominant team all of a sudden messes up>so badly as to be consistently on the 5th or 6th row? How come everyone>else, from Toyota up to McLaren, found a way with the new rules and Ferrari>can't get ir right? Did they sleep during all of the off-season?> Or is it really the tires+transmission+aero+declinining Schumer?> While the Bridgestones gave them a massive performance advantage they blitzed the field..now the contrary applies. -- Peter
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FooAtari 24 May 2005 15:25:33 [ permanent link ]
	"Ricardo Paoletti" <ricardopaoletti@hotmail.com> wrote in news:Xgwke.19417$E05.3566@trndny09: Conspiracy theory: FIA and Ferrari had it all worked out ($) to have> the red cars at rear of the pack, or else the whole series would> explode. > Maybe not. But how is it that such a dominant team all of a sudden> messes up so badly as to be consistently on the 5th or 6th row? How> come everyone else, from Toyota up to McLaren, found a way with the> new rules and Ferrari can't get ir right? Did they sleep during all of> the off-season? > Or is it really the tires+transmission+aero+declinining Schumer?> R. > I think it was perhaps a tad of arrogance and as a result complatency (sp?) In hindsight I dont think using a modification of last years car for the first few races was a very bright idea, they seem to have been on the backfoot since then. I also think the Bridgestone have some severe consistancy issues, perhaps being the only top team to recevie a specific tyre manufacturer is not a good plan either. Michellin were able to put on so much more miles on their tyres than BS could. Also Renault have been on the way to the front of the grid for the last couple of years. I think its the result of a number of factors from both Ferraris side and the other teams contributing to their lack of performance this year. I think its gonna be a McLaren and Renault fight for the next few years. -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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Carel 25 May 2005 01:10:03 [ permanent link ]
	Richard Miller wrote:> From everything I have seen and heard, the conclusion I have come to is > that probably, the Ferrari has been very fast by using the tyre as a > consumable. The whole-race rule has meant that the car chews up tyres. > Bridgestone then has the issue that it can make a tyre that lasts, or it > can make a tyre that is fast, but it can't yet manage one that achieves > both, at least in hotter temperatures. This sounds quite plausible, considering the amount of 3-stop pitstops (and even one 4 stopper) Ferrari did last year. Carel
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Richard Miller 25 May 2005 10:36:20 [ permanent link ]
	In message <slrnd9761b.2vm.carel@zutkooi.joeniks.nl>, Carel <carel@xs4all.nl> writes>Richard Miller wrote:>> From everything I have seen and heard, the conclusion I have come to is>> that probably, the Ferrari has been very fast by using the tyre as a>> consumable. The whole-race rule has meant that the car chews up tyres.>> Bridgestone then has the issue that it can make a tyre that lasts, or it>> can make a tyre that is fast, but it can't yet manage one that achieves>> both, at least in hotter temperatures.> This sounds quite plausible, considering the amount of 3-stop pitstops>(and even one 4 stopper) Ferrari did last year.> Indeed. That is a key part of the evidence I was relying on. -- Richard Miller
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Ts 26 May 2005 07:05:28 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:25:02 +0100, Richard Miller wrote: From everything I have seen and heard, the conclusion I have come to is > that probably, the Ferrari has been very fast by using the tyre as a > consumable. The whole-race rule has meant that the car chews up tyres. > Bridgestone then has the issue that it can make a tyre that lasts, or it > can make a tyre that is fast, but it can't yet manage one that achieves > both, at least in hotter temperatures. How does this theory explain how MS set fastest lap at Monaco, yet finished with fairly fresh looking tires? It appears that Bridgestone is indeed fumbling a bit trying to find the right formulation, but I don't think the situation is as dire as you describe. -ts
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Richard Miller 26 May 2005 10:45:14 [ permanent link ]
	In message <pan.2005.05.26.03.05.27.688936@SPAMyahoo.com>, ts <ts_0053NO@SPAMyahoo.com> writes>On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:25:02 +0100, Richard Miller wrote:> From everything I have seen and heard, the conclusion I have come to is>> that probably, the Ferrari has been very fast by using the tyre as a>> consumable. The whole-race rule has meant that the car chews up tyres.>> Bridgestone then has the issue that it can make a tyre that lasts, or it>> can make a tyre that is fast, but it can't yet manage one that achieves>> both, at least in hotter temperatures.> How does this theory explain how MS set fastest lap at Monaco, yet>finished with fairly fresh looking tires? It appears that Bridgestone is>indeed fumbling a bit trying to find the right formulation, but I don't>think the situation is as dire as you describe.> Because the package only appears capable of being fast for a relatively short period in the race. -- Richard Miller
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David Melville 26 May 2005 12:02:50 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 26 May 2005 07:45:14 +0100, Richard Miller <richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote: In message <pan.2005.05.26.03.05.27.688936@SPAMyahoo.com>, ts ><ts_0053NO@SPAMyahoo.com> writes>>On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:25:02 +0100, Richard Miller wrote:>> From everything I have seen and heard, the conclusion I have come to is>>> that probably, the Ferrari has been very fast by using the tyre as a>>> consumable. The whole-race rule has meant that the car chews up tyres.>>> Bridgestone then has the issue that it can make a tyre that lasts, or it>>> can make a tyre that is fast, but it can't yet manage one that achieves>>> both, at least in hotter temperatures.>> How does this theory explain how MS set fastest lap at Monaco, yet>>finished with fairly fresh looking tires? It appears that Bridgestone is>>indeed fumbling a bit trying to find the right formulation, but I don't>>think the situation is as dire as you describe.>> Because the package only appears capable of being fast for a relatively >short period in the race. Remember girls, it's all about the package. Cheers, Dave ------------------------------------------------ "I'd sell my soul for a Formula One racing car". "Bart! Stop pestering Satan!" ------------------------------------------------
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