Thursday, 18 September 2008
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| Delayed Qualifying Statistics #13 - Spa-Francorchamps Brian Lawrence 22:20:14 |
| | Average Starting Position 2008 - after Spa-Francorchamps, Qualifying #13
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2008 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003
Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP
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1. 2.85 (-0.07) F Massa 4 4.24 2 6.67 17 11.89 18 13.50 - -
2. 3.62 (-0.21) L Hamilton 1 2.59 - - - - - - - -
3. 4.23 (-0.02) K RДikkЖnen 3 3.53 4 5.83 2 5.68 9 8.22 6 6.81
4. (5) 4.54 (-0.13) H Kovalainen 10 10.71 - - - - - - - -
5. (4) 4.62 (+0.29) R Kubica 6 7.00 9 8.83 - - - - - -
6. 6.69 (-0.06) F Alonso 2 3.18 1 4.28 1 3.95 7 7.56 8 7.88
7. 7.92 (+0.25) J Trulli 8 9.24 14 10.28 5 6.11 6 6.71 7 7.31
8. 8.31 (-0.11) M Webber 7 9.06 7 11.06 8 8.00 13 9.72 11 9.88
9. 8.46 (-0.29) N Heidfeld 5 5.41 10 10.17 12 9.57 21 16.00 15 12.31
10. 11.85 (+0.10) T Glock - - - - - - 22 16.50 - -
11. 12.15 (+0.23) N Rosberg 9 9.88 12 13.33 - - - - - -
12. 12.62 (+0.12) D Coulthard 13 13.35 13 14.17 16 11.00 10 9.39 9 8.50
13. 13.00 (-0.25) S Vettel 15 14.38 - - - - - - - -
14.(15) 13.62 (-0.13) N Piquet - - - - - - - - - -
15.(14) 13.92 (+0.25) J Button 14 13.94 3 7.78 4 5.94 3 5.50 13 11.33
16. 14.46 (+0.13) R Barrichello 16 15.00 6 7.61 13 10.53 2 4.56 1 3.63
17. 15.08 (+0.33) S Nakajima 22 19.00 - - - - - - - -
18. 15.23 (-0.52) S Bourdais - - - - - - - - - -
19. 18.38 (+0.13) G Fisichella 11 10.82 3 5.61 3 5.74 17 12.33 19 13.88
20. 18.77 (-0.06) A Sutil 23 20.29 - - - - - - - -
21. 20.75 T Sato 20 17.29 20 19.67 14 10.88 8 8.06 16 13.00
22. 21.25 A Davidson 19 16.06 - - 22 15.00 - - - -
Averages include all demotions such as engine/gearbox change penalties, but not
last minute changes such as pitlane starts.
Average Team Starting Position 2008 - after Spa-Francorchamps, Qualifying #13
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2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002
Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP
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1. 3.54 (-0.04) Ferrari 2. 3.88 2. 6.06 6. 9.37 1. 4.25 1. 3.94 1. 2.35
2. 4.08 (-0.17) McLaren 1. 2.88 3. 6.89 2. 6.61 5. 8.81 4. 7.66 3. 5.62
3. 6.54 BMW-Sauber 3. 6.18 6. 10.81 8. 11.95 8. 12.92 8. 12.81 5. 10.97*
4. 9.88 (+0.17) Toyota 4. 10.79 5. 10.11 3. 7.47 7. 11.81 5. 10.09 8. 14.59
5. 10.15 (-0.10) Renault 5. 10.82 1. 4.94 1. 4.84 4. 7.47 3. 7.59 4. 9.50
6. 10.46 Red Bull 6. 11.21 8. 14.65 7. 11.24 6. 11.69 7. 11.84 9. 15.79*
7. 13.62 (+0.29) Williams 7. 12.65 7. 12.19 5. 9.32 2. 6.39 2. 5.03 2. 3.21
8. 14.12 (-0.38) T Rosso 9. 16.21 9. 15.83 10. 17.50 10. 18.53 10. 18.66 11. 20.32*
9. 14.19 (+0.19) Honda 8. 14.47 4. 7.75 4. 8.53 3. 6.78 6. 11.48 6. 12.71*
10. 18.58 (+0.04) F India 11. 20.82 10. 18.06 9. 16.97 9. 16.36 9. 15.53 7. 13.33*
11. 21.00 S Aguri 10. 16.68 11. 20.14 - - - - - - - -
* Red Bull = Jaguar (2002-04), Honda = BAR (2002-05), BMW-Sauber = Sauber (2002-05),
Force India = Spyker (2007) = Midland (2006) = Jordan (2002-05), Toro Rosso = Minardi
(2002-05)
Note: Throughout my 2007 season posts the data in the 2006 columns was incorrect.
Team-mates Head-to-Head 2008 - after Spa-Francorchamps, Qualifying #13
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Team Driver-1 Driver-2 Posn.
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Renault Alonso 13-0 Piquet +90
Red Bull Webber 12-1 Coulthard +64
BMW-Sauber Kubica 11-2 Heidfeld +50
Williams Rosberg 10-3 Nakajima +34
Toyota Trulli 9-4 Glock +39
Ferrari Massa 9-4 RДikkЖnen +18
McLaren Hamilton 9-4 Kovalainen +12
Toro Rosso Vettel 8-5 Bourdais +29
Honda Button 7-6 Barrichello +7
Force India Fisichella 7-6 Sutil +5
S Aguri Sato 2-2 Davidson +2
Notes: "Posn." shows the advantage in qualifying positions to date. A
positive number shows the driver on the left has the advantage and a
negative number the driver on the right.
2008 Grid Penalties
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Qual Penalties (reason)
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01 AUS Timo Glock 9th 2 x 5-place (gearbox & blocking)
01 AUS Adrian Sutil 19th pitlane start (changed engine)
02 MAL H Kovalainen 3rd 5-place (blocking)
02 MAL Lewis Hamilton 4th 5-place (blocking)
02 MAL K Nakajima 18th 10-place (caused accident in AUS)
05 TUR G Fisichella 19th 5-place (exited pits through red light)
06 MON D Coulthard 10th 5-place (gearbox)
06 MON S Vettel 18th 5-place (gearbox)
06 MON G Fisichella 20th 5-place (gearbox)
07 CDN S Bourdais 16th 5-place (gearbox)
07 CDN Jenson Button 19th 5-place (gearbox)
07 CDN S Vettel 20th 5-place (gearbox)
08 FRA Lewis Hamilton 3rd 10-place (caused accident in CDN)
08 FRA H Kovalainen 5th 5-place (blocking)
08 FRA Nico Rosberg 15th 10-place (caused accident in CDN)
09 GBR Nico Rosberg 18th pitlane start (changed car after qual)
11 HUN S Bourdais 14th 5-place (blocking)
12 EUR R Barrichello 19th pitlane start (changed car after qual)
12 EUR Adrian Sutil 20th pitlane start (changed car after qual)
Appearances in Each Qualifying Session
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Q-1 Q-2 Q-3
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L Hamilton 13 13 13
H Kovalainen 13 13 13
R Kubica 13 13 13* GBR (2 laps)
F Massa 13 13 13
K RДikkЖnen 13 13* 12 AUS (0 laps)
F Alonso 13 13 11
J Trulli 13 13 10
M Webber 13 13* 10* AUS (2 laps), CDN (0 laps)
N Heidfeld 13 12 9
N Rosberg 13 12* 5 HUN (0 laps)
D Coulthard 13 10 5* MON (0 laps)
S Vettel 13* 9 5* AUS (2 laps), CDN (0 laps)
T Glock 13 13 4
N Piquet 13 9 3
S Bourdais 13 8 2
J Button 13 8 1
R Barrichello 13 7 1
K Nakajima 13 7 0
G Fisichella 13 0 0
A Sutil 13 0 0
T Sato 4 0 0
A Davidson 4 0 0
* Set no time in one or more sessions.
Best Qualifying Performances (Current Drivers)
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Best in 2008 Best in Best in Best before 2006
Driver Posn.(#) GP(s) 2007 (#) 2006 (#) Posn. (#) First - Last
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L Hamilton Pole (5) . . . Pole (6) --- ---
F Massa Pole (4) . . . Pole (6) Pole (3) 4th (3) AUT 02 - BRA 04
K RДikkЖnen Pole (2) FRA Pole (3) Pole (3) Pole (8) Eur 03 - TUR 05
R Kubica Pole (1) BRN 4th (1) 6th (1) ---
H Kovalainen Pole (1) GBR 6th (2) --- ---
F Alonso 2nd (1) ESP Pole (2) Pole (6) Pole (9) MAL 03 - CHN 05
M Webber 2nd (1) GBR 5th (1) 2nd (1) 2nd (2) MAL 04 - ESP 05
J Trulli 3rd (1) MAL 6th (1) 3rd (1) Pole (3) MON 04 - USA 05
N Heidfeld 5th (4) . . . 2nd (1) 3rd (1) Pole (1) Eur 05
N Rosberg 5th (1) CDN 4th (1) 3rd (1) ---
T Glock 5th (1) HUN --- --- 16th (2) CDN 04 - CHN 04
S Vettel 6th (1) EUR 7th (1) --- ---
D Coulthard 7th (1) FRA 5th (1) 7th (1) Pole (12) ARG 95 - MON 01
N Piquet 7th (1) GBR --- --- ---
J Button 9th (1) BRN 6th (1) Pole (1) Pole (2) RSM 04 - CDN 05
R Barrichello 9th (1) CDN 9th (1) 3rd (2) Pole (13) BEL 94 - BRA 04
S Bourdais 9th (1) BEL --- --- ---
K Nakajima 11th (1) EUR 19th (1) --- ---
G Fisichella 16th (1) AUS 4th (1) Pole (1) Pole (2) AUT 98 - AUS 05
A Sutil 16th (1) CDN 19th (3) --- ---
T Sato 19th (1) MAL 10th (1) 17th (2) 2nd (1) Eur 04
A Davidson 21st (3) . . . 11th (2) --- 15th (1) MAL 05
Personal Bests set at Spa-Francorchamps
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Career 2008 Season
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Pole L Hamilton (11) L Hamilton (5)
5th N Heidfeld (4)
9th S Bourdais S Bourdais
Most Pole Positions
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1950-2002 (Top 25) Since 2003 (Top 10)
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1 Ayrton Senna 65 1 Michael Schumacher 18 +
2 Michael Schumacher 50 + 2 Fernando Alonso 17
3 Jim Clark 33 3 Kimi RДikkЖnen 16
Alain Prost 33 4 Felipe Massa 13
5 Nigel Mansell 32 5 Lewis Hamilton 11
6 Juan Manuel Fangio 29 6 Rubens Barrichello 7 +
7 Mika HДkkinen 26 7 Ralf Schumacher 5 +
8 Niki Lauda 24 8 Juan Pablo Montoya 3 +
Nelson Piquet 24 Jarno Trulli 3
10 Damon Hill 20 Jenson Button 3
11 Mario Andretti 18
RenИ Arnoux 18
13 Jackie Stewart 17
14 Stirling Moss 16 + also achieved poles in other
15 Alberto Ascari 14 era
Ronnie Peterson 14
James Hunt 14
18 Graham Hill 13
Jack Brabham 13
Jacky Ickx 13
Jacques Villeneuve 13
21 David Coulthard 12
Gerhard Berger 12
24 Jochen Rindt 10
Juan Pablo Montoya 10 +
Since 2003 we have had:
* Single lap qualifying (2003-05, except for AUS-MON 2005)
* Two single-lap sessions aggregated (AUS-MON 2005 only)
* Knockout, 3-period, race fuel (from EUR 2005)
2008 Grid Positions
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Driver Team R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 GER HUN EUR BEL Tot Avg.
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F Massa Ferrari 4 1 2 3 1 1 6 2 9 2 3 1 2 37 2.85
L Hamilton McLaren 1 9 3 5 3 3 1 13 4 1 1 2 1 47 3.62
K RДikkЖnen Ferrari 15 2 4 1 4 2 3 1 3 6 6 4 4 55 4.23
H Kovalainen McLaren 3 8 5 6 2 4 7 10 1 3 2 5 3 59 4.54
R Kubica BMW Sauber 2 4 1 4 5 5 2 5 10 7 4 3 8 60 4.62
F Alonso Renault 11 7 10 2 7 7 4 3 6 5 7 12 6 87 6.69
J Trulli Toyota 6 3 7 8 8 8 14 4 14 4 9 7 11 103 7.92
M Webber Red Bull 14 6 11 7 6 9 10 6 2 8 8 14 7 108 8.31
N Heidfeld BMW Sauber 5 5 6 9 9 12 8 11 5 12 15 8 5 110 8.46
T Glock Toyota 19 10 13 14 15 10 11 8 12 11 5 13 13 154 11.85
N Rosberg Williams 7 16 8 15 11 6 5 19 20 13 14 9 15 158 12.15
D Coulthard Red Bull 8 12 17 17 10 15 13 7 11 10 13 17 14 164 12.62
S Vettel Toro Rosso 9 15 19 18 14 19 19 12 8 9 11 6 10 169 13.00
N Piquet Renault 21 13 14 10 17 17 15 9 7 17 10 15 12 177 13.62
J Button Honda 12 11 9 13 13 11 20 16 17 14 12 16 17 181 13.92
R Barrichello Honda 10 14 12 11 12 14 9 20 16 18 17 19 16 188 14.46
K Nakajima Williams 13 22 16 12 16 13 12 15 15 16 16 11 19 196 15.08
S Bourdais Toro Rosso 17 18 15 16 18 16 18 14 13 15 19 10 9 198 15.23
G Fisichella F India 16 17 18 19 20 20 17 17 19 20 18 18 20 239 18.38
A Sutil F India 18 20 20 20 19 18 16 18 18 19 20 20 18 244 18.77
T Sato S Aguri 20 19 22 22 - - - - - - - - - 83 20.75
A Davidson S Aguri 22 21 21 21 - - - - - - - - - 85 21.25
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| Reasons to be cheerful Duncan Snowden 22:10:06 |
| | - We've just had a fantastic race.
- It was won at a bloody canter by a kid in a Minardi.
- Yes it was.
- Oh, all right; it's owned by a couple of Austrians now.
- One of them is Gerhard Berger.
- Despite that, they played the Italian national anthem. (Wonder what
the "senior" Red Bull team will get - I'm betting Austria.)
- Forza Minardi!
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Duncan Snowden.
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Wednesday, 17 September 2008
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| GEM/BDR Merger denied? Mike Simmons 18:11:18 |
| | Jayski is reporting that a honcho with Dodge Motorsports is denying the
rumor that GEM and BDR will merge. He further states that GEM, PEI, Ganassi
and Penske are firmly in the Dodge camp. He goes on to say that despite
persistent rumors, Dodge is firmly committed to a "long-term" NASCAR
presence in Cup. I hope he is right!
Mike
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| Newsgroup ? Mike Simmons 16:00:44 |
| | I have had a problem this year with messages showing up under previous
headers.
For example, in Sept '07 McCoy posted his NH RPG with the subject line of
"McCoy - RPG - NH", and in '07 it showed up as a current post. Now, in Sept
'08 he posts his RPG using the same subject line, but, rather than show it
as a "new" post, my Outlook newsreader "attaches" it as a continuation of
the '07 thread. This forces me to scroll back a whole year to find the
current post. Since I discovered the problem, I have been appending my
posts with an '08 to distinguish them from last years posts but many of us
use the same subject line from race to race.
If I have explained the problem clearly, can anyone suggest a fix?
Mike
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| My Chase Prediction Mike Simmons 14:49:51 |
| | I've looked at the field and consulted the crystal all week and now am ready
to stick my neck out with a Chase RPG.
The final five (in no order) will be.....
Busch
Edwards
Johnson
Earnhardt
Burton
and the winner will be..... Johnson for a three-peat.
Yeah, I know that the "smart money" is on KyBu, but I don't think he has the
maturity and patience to rein in his emotions for 10 races. Edwards has
been hot as of late, but he has had some luck issues that may come to plague
him during the Chase. Earnhardt has been nothing if not consistent but
hasn't shown a winning effort and I feel that a win will be a requirement to
capture the Chase. Burton is a classic case of tortoise and hare, slow and
steady got him into the Chase but ala Earnhardt, it will take a win. Absent
bad luck from the other drivers, I don't see this happening. Which leaves
Johnson. Jimmie has shown the maturity and patience to win races even when
circumstances are against him. Chad Knaus will be there for him with good
cars and a good race strategy. Jimmie knows how to win.
At least that's how I see it.... your thoughts?
Mike
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Tuesday, 16 September 2008
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| Renault's suicides Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro 08:40:09 |
| | Some weeks ago it was reported that a Renault F1 engineer commited suicide
at his place of work (not actually on the building but on its grounds).
At the time I found that a bit peculiar (without checking any statistics,
I think it is more usual for suicides to be at home or in isolated places
than at places of work) but I didn't think much about it.
Today I read in a magazine that there have been other suicides (at
Renault, not only at the F1 department). They mentioned that 6 persons
have killed themselves and 2 others have made failed attempts (mostly at
the design department, I think).
Several of the cases were at the place of work and at least one engineer
left a suicide note addressed to Renault's CEO, Carlos Ghosn, blaming the
pressure in which he is making the engineers work.
French authorities are now investigating if work conditions were a factor
in those suicides:
http://www.google.com/search?sa=N&tab=nw&q=renault%20suicide%20investigation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/feb/22/france.internationalnews
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Europe | Villeneuve 50-82, Toivonen 56-86, Senna 60-94
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| Ganassi/Waltrip Merger? Mike Simmons 06:11:04 |
| | Jayski is reporting rumors about a possible Ganassi/Waltrip merger which
would expand the combined teams to four cars and have JPM driving a Toy next
year.
At this juncture, I cannot see any benefit to either team from this combo.
Both Ganassi and Waltrip are weak. Ganassi lost Sorenson and is effectively
down to one driver, Montoya. Both are having sponsorship issues with
Waltrip the only one with a committed full-season sponsor. The only way
this makes sense is IF Dodge notified Ganassi that manufacturer fundage will
be down next year and Ganassi is tempted to jump aboard the Toy bandwagon
for $$. Even so, the Toy's supposed HP advantage will be nil unless
Ganassi/Waltrip can work out the other issues that keep them at mid-pack or
worse.
It just seems to me that two weak teams are combining efforts to survive,
but neither team brings any strength to the merger.
Your thoughts?
Mike
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| Re: Warning: Spa spoiler Mark Jackson 02:40:05 |
| | Duncan Snowden wrote:
... literally: "In a controversial move, Lewis Hamilton has been handed a 25s penalty following today's Belgian GP, thereby handing the victory, and further precious championship points to title rival Felipe Massa" So cutting a chicane in the wet on slicks then yielding position is more serious than pulling out into the path of another car? Wasn't Ferrari's excuse at Valencia that Massa backed off, and nobody was hurt? If Kimi didn't cross the line clearly ahead of Hamilton my eyesight's worse than I thought. So no bias there, then.
Let me choose my words carefully here.
I've watched the tape several times and I find it very hard to argue
that Hamilton gained *no* advantage by cutting the chicane. Had the
Ferrari magically vanished I think Hamilton would have been able to take
the second half of the chicane without leaving the racing surface, but
he had already lost speed (Raikkonen had pulled a half car-length ahead)
and would have lost more as he exited on a too-tight line (dictated by
the speed at which he had arrived at the first half of the chicane). As
a result of the cut he came onto the start-finish straight at a higher
speed and in better shape than he otherwise would.
Hamilton then backed off to let Raikkonen repass, but in such manner as
to maintain as much speed as possible. (He lifted a little and let
Raikkonen past over several seconds - by contrast with other incidents I
remember, where the cutter visibly slowed to permit an immediate
repass.) Raikkonen was only a half car-length or so ahead by the
start-finish line, and Hamilton only fell a full car-length back once
they began to brake for the hairpin. I think it's unlikely he could
have been in that position had he been able to take the second half of
the chicane without cutting.
So I have to accept that Hamilton gained *some* advantage. Was it
enough to enable his pass at the hairpin? Hard to say, and I'm not sure
the "advantage" interpretation requires that anyway.
However, I can't think of a previous incident in which a driver was
penalized after ceding a position gained by cutting a corner on the
grounds that he didn't cede *enough*. That doesn't make the current
ruling wrong, but it puts it back into the ongoing credibility problem
most folks have with the FIA and its stewards: no grey-area rulings
(calls on infractions for which there is no previous unarguable
precedent) go against Ferrari, including those that appear to many to
have been rationalized into a grey area to begin with!
Since the FIA's position is that they don't *have* a credibility
problem, and it's not hard to construct an argument for the stewards'
ruling that has at least a shred of justification, I fear that prospects
for the McLaren appeal are not good.
--
Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
The capacity to wreak destruction with your models
provides the ultimate respectability.
- Emanuel Derman
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| Youngest Pole Sitters Brian Lawrence 00:45:07 |
| | 21y 072d Sebastian Vettel ITA 2008 Toro Rosso
21y 237d Fernando Alonso MAL 2003 Renault (9)
22y 097d Rubens Barrichello BEL 1994 Jordan
22y 153d Lewis Hamilton CDN 2007 McLaren (11)
22y 309d Andrea de Cesaris USW 1982 Alfa Romeo
23y 121d Robert Kubica BRN 2008 BMW Sauber
23y 216d Jacky Ickx BEL 1968 Ferrari
23y 255d Kimi RДikkЖnen EUR 2003 McLaren (2)
24y 012d David Coulthard ARG 1995 Williams
24y 097d Jenson Button RSM 2004 BAR
Numbers in brackets show number of pole positions before reaching the age
of the tenth youngest driver (Button, 24.097).
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Monday, 15 September 2008
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| slick tyres Tragic Magic 12:40:10 |
| | Has there been any more news on whether full slick tyres will be
reintroduced next year or not?
I remember hearing about it, but nothing further.
Mark.
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| Re: RPG NH II - Chase #1 TomS +1/+1 Tom S. 08:30:29 |
| | On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:01:02 CST, "Tom S." <tscalfjr@cox.net> wrote:
I didn't see this on the ng, so, I'm e-mailing it as a back-up. Don't want to be counted out this late in the game. Qualifying was rained out, but they did get to practice, so it is not a total loss. Still it's a heck of a note to start the Chase with.
it looked early on like I might have accidentally picked the winner,
but then Jr. lost the handle for a while and never fully recovered.
Lets see how badly I actually did.
Winner: Dale Earnhardt Jr. His practice speeds weren't much, but he is starting in the front and will have time to get things sorted out before the checkers fly.
+0 Congrats to the Biff.
1. No more than 5 chasers in the top 12.
+0 I count 9.
2. JPM will score a top 10. His practice times are real good...... +0 He hung out near or in the top 10 most of the day, but finished up
in 17th.
3. Bobby Labonte will card a top 5.
+0 13th. Better than usual, but not where I needed him to be.
4. David Reutimann scored a top 15.
+1 YES!! A point!! Finished in 15th.
5. Sam Hornish Jr. is the top finishing rookie.
+0 That would be Regan Smith in 23.
Segment one total - +14
Segment two total - +11
Race total - +1
Chase points - +1
Tom S.
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| Simmons - RPG - NH II - 2/2 Mike Simmons 05:57:32 |
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Having bitched long enough about my dislike for winter, I will now offer my
top five for NH.
In no order...
Hamlin - 0
Johnson - 1
Biffle - 1
Stewart - 0
Bowyer - 0
and the winner.... Jimmie Johnson of course!
Jimmie didn't have nuffin for Biffle at the end. Glad to see the Biffster
get a win.
A dark horse could be Burton. Slow and steady wins the race and he has done
well at NH.
He wuz strong today, just not strong enough.
My guess for top rookie will be Carpentier.
When yer wrong yer wrong...
:^(
I
Mike
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| Re: RPG - Loudon - McCoy <2><2> Martin X. Moleski 05:52:26 |
| | On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:07:39 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in <Xns9B19CCB4F4F58pogosupernews@216.168.3.30>:
Well, I was right about Bowyer's result. Some MVM points, maybe?
You bet. You sure need them after some of the LOSER picks
you made. 
2 - top Ford: I go with Greg Biffle almost every week, and most weeks he disappoints. But since it appears all the rest of the Fords took the week off, I'll go with Biffle again.
Yay! I like the Biff. He's not so bad on some of the upcoming tracks, too...a dark horse for the championship? +1
Very. He's something of a throwback. An old young gun.
Not too photogenic, but comes across as a real nice guy.
Something like Dale Jarrett.
3 - top Dodge: well, we know Labonte isn't likely to stay up there, and we know Newman & team have pretty much given up on the season, so it looks to be between Kurt Busch and JPM. We'll go with JPM
Yet more MVM points...I was right about it being either Busch or JPM, but picked the wrong one.
I never expected KuBu to be so far behind this long
after his move to Penske. One year to get comfortable, OK.
But he hasn't been himself.
Marty
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| What now? Mike Simmons 05:47:44 |
| | Ok, how do we play the final 10? Same way? Do we make an RPG this week for
the top Chaser's or what? Please enlighten me.
Mike
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Sunday, 14 September 2008
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| Simmons- RPG - New Hampshire II Mike Simmons 21:33:30 |
| | Well, this is it! The first race of the Chase. Kinda depressing really to
know that there is only 10 more races before a long, cold, dreary, boring
winter but before you know it, Daytona will be here and life begins anew!
Having bitched long enough about my dislike for winter, I will now offer my
top five for NH.
In no order...
Hamlin
Johnson
Biffle
Stewart
Bowyer
and the winner.... Jimmie Johnson of course!
A dark horse could be Burton. Slow and steady wins the race and he has done
well at NH. My guess for top rookie will be Carpentier. I hope that GEM
can find a ride for Carpentier as I like him very much. I would hate to see
him fall by the wayside for lack of a sponsor.
Let the games begin!
Mike
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| Re: RPG - Loudon - McCoy Michael McGaha 19:33:06 |
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"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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3) One of the chasers DNFs. Naw, Russ will call that a gimme.> Let us say Newman finishs 4 laps or more off the pace (that's> as bad as a DNF). He is first out of contention in the chase.>
wouldn't it be impossible to be the first out of contention just from the
first race? Even if you finished dead last you wouldn't be out of contention
yet... right?
Michael
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| Re: RPG NH II - Chase #1 TomS Tom S. 19:01:02 |
| | I didn't see this on the ng, so, I'm e-mailing it as a back-up. Don't
want to be counted out this late in the game.
Qualifying was rained out, but they did get to practice, so it is not
a total loss. Still it's a heck of a note to start the Chase with.
Winner: Dale Earnhardt Jr. His practice speeds weren't much, but he
is starting in the front and will have time to get things sorted out
before the checkers fly.
1. No more than 5 chasers in the top 12.
2. JPM will score a top 10. His practice times are real good......
3. Bobby Labonte will card a top 5.
4. David Reutimann scored a top 15.
5. Sam Hornish Jr. is the top finishing rookie.
Segment one total - +14
Segment two total - +11
Race total -
Chase points -
Tom S.
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| RPG Pig Loudon (Chase I) Megan Zurawicz 08:41:07 |
| | Hmmm.....Ryan Newman to win.
1) Three Dodges in the top 10.
2) One Toyota in the top 15.
3) Top Chevy neither Hendrick nor Gibbs
4) Kenny Wallace finishes top 15.
5) Sadler finishes top 20.
Bonus: Kasey Kahne DNFs, holds a press conference to say "The hell with it,
Dario Franchitti can have my ride, I'm heading to IndyCar to take his.
Ashley stays with the IndyCar driver, right?"
--pig
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Saturday, 13 September 2008
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| target Neal Zierke 17:21:59 |
| | why is it that target doesn't have a American drive, it's based in US, and
doesn't have any store off shore.
What gives?
I will never step into another Target store, get an American drive.....
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Friday, 12 September 2008
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| Mosley's revenge Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro 23:15:05 |
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Max Mosley is prepapring his revenge after the sado-maso scandal. The
first targets are the german club that demanded his resignation (they
might lose the authority to organize international races, which can affect
the German GP) and Marco Piccinini (currently deputy president for sport).
It seems that, this weekend at Monza, Mosley will try to replace Piccinini
by Alan Donnely who is his prot g .
Bernie seems to know from where the wind is blowing and has said that
now it no longer makes sense to ask for Mosley's resignation since people
have already forgotten the scandal. Of course, Bernie's business model
depends on Mosley surpressing any competing series so he needs Mosley
on his side.
Oh well, business as usual (is it the third time ?).
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http://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/
.pt is Portugal| `Whom the gods love die young'-Menander (342-292 BC)
Europe | Villeneuve 50-82, Toivonen 56-86, Senna 60-94
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| Wet racers Mower Man 22:10:05 |
| | Think Senna, Donington. Monaco in that Toleman.
The best wet races I ever went to were the BOAC 100km's at Brands Hatch,
1970/1971 Six hours of standing knee deep in mud watching the brilliant
Pedro Rodriguez and Seppi Siffert hurling 917s around in pouring rain.
Wonderful, I'll never, ever forget it. The sounds! I still have the race
programmes, but I'm saving them for ebay. Or not.
You tube it NOW, it's brill!
http://tinyurl.com/6nqllx
Significantly, Pedro was black flagged in 1970 for overtaking under
yellows........ although it was then legal to stop for
service/tyres/fuel rather than a "drive through".
Don't start me on long distance sports car racing. (Whoops, think I did
it myself!) See John Wyer smoking a cigar, - but please LISTEN CAREFULLY
to what he has to say about racing drivers. "We have no time for good
losers", says Wyer. Lots more, old fashioned stuff. I like it. Do any of
you?
God was it wet!
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| New To Nascar Aerochago 08:48:45 |
| | Hj,
I have only got into Nascar this year as we can watch the highlights
now on Freeview in the uk. Can someone explain to me how many cars
take part in the chase?
Cheers
Al
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