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Ferrari intentionally throwing the title
Tim@Nocomment.Com 13 May 2005 03:14:21
	I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally throwing the championship? It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast, even considering the rule changes.
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John Briggs 13 May 2005 03:36:44 [ permanent link ]
	tim@nocomment.com wrote:> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally> throwing the championship? No, they don't - but thanks for asking. -- John Briggs
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Rowlans K 13 May 2005 03:43:37 [ permanent link ]
	<tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message news:i46dnbUfseDRfh7fRVn-iA@rogers.com...> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally> throwing the championship?> It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast,> even considering the rule changes. Schumacher wouldn't throw the title if it meant another Holocaust. He is that ruthless.
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Tim@Nocomment.Com 13 May 2005 05:03:40 [ permanent link ]
	John Briggs wrote: tim@nocomment.com wrote:> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>>throwing the championship?> No, they don't - but thanks for asking. Thanks for answering for everyone. Saves me the time of reading multiple posts.
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Tim@Nocomment.Com 13 May 2005 05:04:17 [ permanent link ]
	Hornplayer9599 wrote: tim@nocomment.com wrote:> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>>throwing the championship?>>It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast,>>even considering the rule changes.> If they were, how would it work to thier advantage apart from using a> third driver on Friday? That's assuming they fall that far down the> grid. I can't think of any other logical reason to "tank" the> championship.> To save F1.
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Dave Duncan 13 May 2005 05:05:18 [ permanent link ]
	<tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message news:i46dnbUfseDRfh7fRVn-iA@rogers.com...>I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally throwing >the championship?> It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast, even > considering the rule changes. Nobody spends $300, 000, 000.00 to fail unless one is in government. I think the Bridgestone tires are crap and Ferrari rested on it's laurels and the other teams just got their cheats down a little better, except for BAR. The pendulum was bound to swing the other way, it always does, hence the name, and I think people are reading too much into this. Let me ask this. If Ferrari were now 5/5 and MS was way out front, would the Italy haters in here not be weeping and wailing. People in here weep and wail anyway so it must be for something, if not getting exactly what they have wanted for the past 7 seasons.
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SNOman 13 May 2005 05:19:08 [ permanent link ]
	tim@nocomment.com wrote:> Hornplayer9599 wrote:> tim@nocomment.com wrote:>> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>>> throwing the championship?>>> It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast,>>> even considering the rule changes.>> If they were, how would it work to thier advantage apart from using a>> third driver on Friday? That's assuming they fall that far down the>> grid. I can't think of any other logical reason to "tank" the>> championship.>> To save F1. Ah, I love a good conspiracy theory! How much do you think that Berne had to shell out?
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Geoff May 13 May 2005 10:01:52 [ permanent link ]
	tim@nocomment.com wrote:> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally > throwing the championship? I don't. I suspect the other teams heard me screaming at them last year and decided to actually try racing instead of farting around and Ferrari/Bridgestone got caught flat-footed. It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast, > even considering the rule changes. Perhaps it's a repeat of 1980. 1979, Ferrari were WDC and WCC and 1980, (the beginning of the long 21 years without WDC), they were 10th in the WCC and 14th and 19th in the WDC. MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 11th May, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Vile Merchant 13 May 2005 11:29:17 [ permanent link ]
	"Rowlans K" <nospamremovesp@tvsnospamremoveatorcg.com> wrote in message news:d60pnb$h4u$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...> <tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message> news:i46dnbUfseDRfh7fRVn-iA@rogers.com...> > I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally> > throwing the championship?> > It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast,> > even considering the rule changes.> Schumacher wouldn't throw the title if it meant another Holocaust. He is> that ruthless. Yep, he'd rather throw his granny!
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Stuart Naylor 13 May 2005 14:13:59 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:03:40 -0400, "tim@nocomment.com" wrote: John Briggs wrote:> tim@nocomment.com wrote:>> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>>>throwing the championship?>> No, they don't - but thanks for asking.> Thanks for answering for everyone. Saves me the time of reading multiple >posts. I thank John too for accurately answering your question. -- Rusty
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Jeff York 13 May 2005 14:21:10 [ permanent link ]
	Stuart Naylor <another_one@privacy.net> wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:03:40 -0400, "tim@nocomment.com" wrote:> John Briggs wrote:>> tim@nocomment.com wrote:>>> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>>>>throwing the championship?>>> No, they don't - but thanks for asking.>> Thanks for answering for everyone. Saves me the time of reading multiple >>posts.> I thank John too for accurately answering your question. But.. Anyone who's a "Pit Pass" reader must have at least wondered whether "Turk Thrust" and the "F1 Script Unit" have had something to do with it.. -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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Emma 13 May 2005 14:44:51 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff York <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote:>But.. Anyone who's a "Pit Pass" reader must have at least wondered>whether "Turk Thrust" and the "F1 Script Unit" have had something to>do with it.. I was seriously worried about Pitpass themselves after reading this article! http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=24405 -- Emma - The Chocolate Monster http://www.chocmonster.rules.it http://www.altgallery.shows.it
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F2005: 0 of 3 13 May 2005 16:00:00 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 12 May 2005 19:14:21 -0400, "tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:>I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally >throwing the championship?>It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast, >even considering the rule changes. Fuckwitage if the highest order: You have finally achieved "something", Fuckwit.
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Pete Fenelon 13 May 2005 16:23:03 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff York <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote:> But.. Anyone who's a "Pit Pass" reader must have at least wondered> whether "Turk Thrust" and the "F1 Script Unit" have had something to> do with it.. I think Turk only comes to talk to Dr Lawrence when Dr L. has experienced a superabundance of Stella Artois. ;) pete -- pete@fenelon.com "We ask ourselves 'what will become of Evil Gazebo?'"
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Jeff York 13 May 2005 17:10:09 [ permanent link ]
	Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote: Jeff York <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote:>> But.. Anyone who's a "Pit Pass" reader must have at least wondered>> whether "Turk Thrust" and the "F1 Script Unit" have had something to>> do with it.. > I think Turk only comes to talk to Dr Lawrence when Dr L. has experienced a>superabundance of Stella Artois. ;) And your criticism is..??? -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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Pete Fenelon 13 May 2005 17:40:35 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff York <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote:>> I think Turk only comes to talk to Dr Lawrence when Dr L. has experienced a>>superabundance of Stella Artois. ;)> And your criticism is..??? > I have no criticism. Mike seems to do his best work with a cold one... or two... or several... by his side. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "We ask ourselves 'what will become of Evil Gazebo?'"
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Jeff York 13 May 2005 17:57:17 [ permanent link ]
	Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote: Jeff York <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote:>>> I think Turk only comes to talk to Dr Lawrence when Dr L. has experienced a>>>superabundance of Stella Artois. ;)>> And your criticism is..??? >> I have no criticism. Mike seems to do his best work with a cold one...>or two... or several... by his side. Don't we all?? -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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Tim@Nocomment.Com 14 May 2005 04:00:12 [ permanent link ]
	Dave Duncan wrote: <tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message > news:i46dnbUfseDRfh7fRVn-iA@rogers.com...> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally throwing >>the championship?>>It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast, even >>considering the rule changes.> Nobody spends $300, 000, 000.00 to fail unless one is in government.> I think the Bridgestone tires are crap and Ferrari rested on it's laurels > and the other teams just got their cheats down a little better, except for > BAR. The pendulum was bound to swing the other way, it always does, hence > the name, and I think people are reading too much into this. But aren't the cars much less reliable, too? Let me ask this. If Ferrari were now 5/5 and MS was way out front, would the > Italy haters in here not be weeping and wailing. People in here weep and > wail anyway so it must be for something, if not getting exactly what they > have wanted for the past 7 seasons. >
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Tim@Nocomment.Com 14 May 2005 04:00:37 [ permanent link ]
	SNOman wrote: tim@nocomment.com wrote:> Hornplayer9599 wrote:>> tim@nocomment.com wrote:>>> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>>>> throwing the championship?>>>> It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast,>>>> even considering the rule changes.>>> If they were, how would it work to thier advantage apart from using a>>> third driver on Friday? That's assuming they fall that far down the>>> grid. I can't think of any other logical reason to "tank" the>>> championship.>>> To save F1.> Ah, I love a good conspiracy theory! How much do you think that Berne > had to shell out? Well, he does give them a lot.
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Tim@Nocomment.Com 14 May 2005 04:11:48 [ permanent link ]
	Bob Dubery wrote: tim@nocomment.com wrote:> I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>>throwing the championship?> I can't say it occured to me.> It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast,>>even considering the rule changes.> Depends on how long you've been following F1. The mighty fall, the> downtrodden raise themselves up. What is the reason certain teams have fallen? Do they lose designers to other teams or do they just become stupid? Has Ferrari lost any of their main people? McLaren won 7 championships in 8 years from 1984 to 1991. In 1992 they> won the odd race but mostly watched the back of the Williams cars that> were untouchable that year. 1993 they had some great "against the odds"> wins by Senna but that didn't really amount to a serious challenge for> the championship. Then...> ...nothing for the next 3 seasons.> Williams won the championship in 1992 and 1993 and then produced a poor> car for the start of the 1994 season. They got that up to speed by> season's end and won races in 1995. 1996 and 1997 they took the> championship and then the wheels fell off there too for a while. They> haven't mounted a serious challenge for the WC since.> As pointed out elsewhere Ferrari took the championship in 1979 and then> had a terrible season in 1980. This was almost a carbon copy of what> went on with Lotus who were unstoppable in 1978 and made up the numbers> in 1979 (with the reigning world champ in their car).> It's happened before and it'll happen again. A whole bunch of things> have to come together to win a world championship, and the reality is> that Ferrari and Schumacher did a phenomenal job to get it right 5> years running.> 'Twas ever thus.>
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Jim Roberts 14 May 2005 04:26:45 [ permanent link ]
	tim@nocomment.com <tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message: news:<6tadnQ_dYdPe3xjfRVn-rA@rogers.com>> What is the reason certain teams have fallen? Do they lose designers to > other teams or do they just become stupid?> Has Ferrari lost any of their main people?> Nope
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F2005: 0 of 3 14 May 2005 08:02:55 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:11:48 -0400, "tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:>Bob Dubery wrote:>> tim@nocomment.com wrote:>>>I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>>>throwing the championship?>> I can't say it occured to me.>> It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast,>>>even considering the rule changes.>> Depends on how long you've been following F1. The mighty fall, the>> downtrodden raise themselves up.> What is the reason certain teams have fallen? Do they lose designers to >other teams or do they just become stupid?>Has Ferrari lost any of their main people? No... Years of rules gerrymandering finally caught up with them. ...Fuckwit.
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T. C. 14 May 2005 08:32:45 [ permanent link ]
	"F2005: 0 of 3" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message news:5uta811jthamlt85mbl4qd0krm4v7s19oj@4ax.com...> On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:11:48 -0400, "tim@nocomment.com"> <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:> >Bob Dubery wrote:> >> tim@nocomment.com wrote:> >>>I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally> >>>throwing the championship?> >> I can't say it occured to me.> >> It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so fast,> >>>even considering the rule changes.> >> Depends on how long you've been following F1. The mighty fall, the> >> downtrodden raise themselves up.> > What is the reason certain teams have fallen? Do they lose designers to> >other teams or do they just become stupid?> >Has Ferrari lost any of their main people?> No... Years of rules gerrymandering finally caught up with them.> ...Fuckwit. Hello Mark. Did you catch the 1995 Canadian GP on Speed tonight? As I recall by reading your website years ago, it was your first F1 GP race! Just asking.
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David Melville 14 May 2005 11:46:37 [ permanent link ]
	On 14 May 2005 00:15:18 -0700, "Bob Dubery" <megapode@gmail.com> wrote: tim@nocomment.com wrote:>> Bob Dubery wrote:>> tim@nocomment.com wrote:>> > I was wondering if anyone else thinks Ferrari may be intentionally>> >>throwing the championship?>> > I can't say it occured to me.>> > It seems a little suspicious that they have fallen this far so>fast,>> >>even considering the rule changes.>> > Depends on how long you've been following F1. The mighty fall, the>> > downtrodden raise themselves up.>> What is the reason certain teams have fallen? Do they lose designers>to>> other teams or do they just become stupid?>> Has Ferrari lost any of their main people?> No. But nobody stays at the top forever. And designers and engineers>have form as well and don't always do the best job in a given season.>It used to be said that "you don't need a Schuey if you've got a>Newey", that ain't the case any more.> What I'm really saying is that to me it's more remarkable that Ferrari>had such a long streak of success than that the streak came to an end. I've said it before, and, because I'm an old man, I will say it again. My friend and I used to get together on Sunday nights (.au) for a few lagers and what we called "The Senna-Berger Show". Everyone has their brief 15 minutes or few years at the top, that "pinnacle" that is mentioned so often. It lasts for a long time, and ends just as quickly. The fall is never graceful. In that way, it's kind of like bukake. Cheers, Dave.
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Tim@Nocomment.Com 14 May 2005 17:20:00 [ permanent link ]
	Jim Roberts wrote: tim@nocomment.com <tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message: > news:<6tadnQ_dYdPe3xjfRVn-rA@rogers.com>> What is the reason certain teams have fallen? Do they lose designers to >>other teams or do they just become stupid?>>Has Ferrari lost any of their main people?>> Nope And isn't this, for the most part, the same car that they used over the last part of last year? Wasn't it very reliable last year? What has changed? I can see other cars becoming faster due to the other teams efforts but I can't see Ferraris becoming less mechanically reliable due to other teams efforts.
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F2005: 0 of 3 14 May 2005 18:00:58 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 14 May 2005 00:32:45 -0400, "T. C." <tomcanada@canada.com> wrote:>Hello Mark.>Did you catch the 1995 Canadian GP on Speed tonight? I did not. As I recall by reading your website years ago, it was your first F1 GP race! It was indeed. Just asking. It's a cherished videotape, that race was the beginning of a long and wonderful experience few have had the great good fortune to know. ...I couldn't talk for three days.
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F2005: 0 of 3 14 May 2005 18:02:09 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:20:00 -0400, "tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:>Jim Roberts wrote:> tim@nocomment.com <tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message: >> news:<6tadnQ_dYdPe3xjfRVn-rA@rogers.com>>> What is the reason certain teams have fallen? Do they lose designers to >>>other teams or do they just become stupid?>>>Has Ferrari lost any of their main people?>>> Nope> And isn't this, for the most part, the same car that they used over the >last part of last year? Imbecile... Wasn't it very reliable last year?>What has changed? All but everything. I can see other cars becoming faster due to the other teams efforts but >I can't see Ferraris becoming less mechanically reliable due to other >teams efforts. No... That took five years of targeted FIA rules changes. ...Fuckwit.
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F2005: 0 of 3 14 May 2005 18:12:05 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 14 May 2005 00:32:45 -0400, "T. C." <tomcanada@canada.com> wrote:>Hello Mark.>Did you catch the 1995 Canadian GP on Speed tonight?>As I recall by reading your website years ago, it was your first F1 GP race! You brought it up: http://www.pipeline.com/~opus/montreal.htm Don't have time to fix the broken links, "thumbnail" scans, and decade-old misspellings this am (maybe by August, Bob .
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Nick Beef 14 May 2005 19:36:07 [ permanent link ]
	In article <dq1c81dsnvtj9gkkr7fud935qdv27oj2eo@4ax.com>, Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com says...> On Sat, 14 May 2005 00:32:45 -0400, "T. C." <tomcanada@canada.com>> wrote:> >Hello Mark.> >Did you catch the 1995 Canadian GP on Speed tonight?> >As I recall by reading your website years ago, it was your first F1 GP race!> You brought it up:> http://www.pipeline.com/~opus/montreal.htm> Don't have time to fix the broken links, "thumbnail" scans, and> decade-old misspellings this am (maybe by August, Bob .> Post more jpgs while you're at it. -Bob
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Jeff York 14 May 2005 22:10:10 [ permanent link ]
	"F2005: 0 of 3" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote: On Sat, 14 May 2005 00:32:45 -0400, "T. C." <tomcanada@canada.com>>wrote:>>Hello Mark.>>Did you catch the 1995 Canadian GP on Speed tonight?> I did not.> As I recall by reading your website years ago, it was your first F1 GP race!> It was indeed.> Just asking.> It's a cherished videotape, that race was the beginning of a long and>wonderful experience few have had the great good fortune to know.> ...I couldn't talk for three days. Do us all a favour... Watch it again... And again... And again.. -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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F2005: 0 of 3 15 May 2005 02:43:52 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 14 May 2005 10:36:07 -0500, Nick Beef <tifosoREM@OVEcomcast.net> wrote:>In article <dq1c81dsnvtj9gkkr7fud935qdv27oj2eo@4ax.com>, >Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com says...>> On Sat, 14 May 2005 00:32:45 -0400, "T. C." <tomcanada@canada.com>>> wrote:>> >Hello Mark.>> >Did you catch the 1995 Canadian GP on Speed tonight?>> >As I recall by reading your website years ago, it was your first F1 GP race!>> You brought it up:>> http://www.pipeline.com/~opus/montreal.htm>> Don't have time to fix the broken links, "thumbnail" scans, and>> decade-old misspellings this am (maybe by August, Bob .> Post more jpgs while you're at it. I've got about a dozen FUH2 pics to scan, one of these days...
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F2005: 0 of 3 16 May 2005 00:46:34 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 14 May 2005 19:10:10 +0100, Jeff York <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote:>"F2005: 0 of 3" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote:>>On Sat, 14 May 2005 00:32:45 -0400, "T. C." <tomcanada@canada.com> wrote:>>>Hello Mark.>>>Did you catch the 1995 Canadian GP on Speed tonight?>> I did not.>> As I recall by reading your website years ago, it was your first F1 GP race!>> It was indeed.>> Just asking.>> It's a cherished videotape, that race was the beginning of a long and>>wonderful experience few have had the great good fortune to know.>> ...I couldn't talk for three days.> Do us all a favour... Watch it again... And again... And again.. ...The race, chuckles, not the videotape.
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