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Bridgestone moaning about lack of testing

Emma 9 May 2005 15:02:35
 
From Autosport:-

Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and
their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their
current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.

Although Ferrari are the only team not limited to the current 30-day
ceiling agreed between the nine other teams, the outfit's tyre supplier
Bridgestone are adamant that they are still at a disadvantage compared
to Michelin.

Bridgestone's head of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima
claims that the number of teams that Michelin can call upon to test,
even with each outfit limited to a 30-day limit, has handed the French
tyre manufacturer a huge advantage in terms of data.

When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in form
between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last season,
Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is simple: we
don't test enough.

"They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had
only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of them.
And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so they can
improve much faster.

"This is particularly decisive this year, with these new regulations.
This is why we pushed for an agreement which limited testing in terms of
kilometres rather than days."

Ferrari did propose a testing limitation to the other teams that
involved setting a maximum amount of kilometers that each tyre
manufacturer could test for.

Rival teams rejected that because the distance would have had to be
shared out by the Michelin teams, whereas Ferrari would have been able
to conduct most of that work alone for Bridgestone.

Despite the problems that Ferrari are suffering, however, Hamashima
believes that the only area where the team are weak is in their single
lap pace  which has hindered Schumacher's chances of decent grid
positions.

"The only problem here was the lack of performance in qualifying," said
Hamashima. "After that the pace was good for Michael until the
retirement."


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Iain Miller 9 May 2005 15:31:47 permanent link ]
 
"The only problem here was the lack of performance in qualifying," said> Hamashima. "After that the pace was good for Michael until the > retirement."

.....caused by Bridgestone's tyres collapsing!

I.


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Bigbird 9 May 2005 15:57:13 permanent link ]
 

Emma wrote:> From Autosport:->
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and> their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their> current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>

What exactly is stopping them.
Although Ferrari are the only team not limited to the current 30-day> ceiling agreed between the nine other teams, the outfit's tyre> supplier Bridgestone are adamant that they are still at a> disadvantage compared to Michelin.>
Bridgestone's head of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima> claims that the number of teams that Michelin can call upon to test,> even with each outfit limited to a 30-day limit, has handed the French> tyre manufacturer a huge advantage in terms of data.>

Well why don't they pay Jordan and Minardi to do more testing for them? They
can send them on a few 24hr tests at Ferraris private track.


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Phil Newnham 9 May 2005 16:47:25 permanent link ]
 Emma wrote:>
From Autosport:-> <snip>> When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in form > between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last season, > Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is simple: we > don't test enough.>
"They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had > only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of them. > And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so they can > improve much faster.

Shouldn't they be trying to sign up additional top teams then? Oh wait;
they used to supply several top teams, and the others left because the
product wasn't good enough for them. So, whose fault is that?

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Bigbird 9 May 2005 16:53:28 permanent link ]
 Phil Newnham wrote:> Emma wrote:> >
From Autosport:-> > <snip>> > When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in> > form between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last> > season, Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is> > simple: we don't test enough.> >
"They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had> > only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of> > them. And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so> > they can improve much faster.>
Shouldn't they be trying to sign up additional top teams then? Oh> wait; they used to supply several top teams, and the others left> because the product wasn't good enough for them.

The reason being they were developing a product specifically for the Ferrari
not the other teams.
So, whose fault is> that?



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Graham Hodgson 9 May 2005 17:03:25 permanent link ]
 Bigbird wrote:> Phil Newnham wrote:>
Emma wrote:>>
From Autosport:->>><snip­>>>>When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in>>>form between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last>>>season, Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is>>>simple: we don't test enough.>>>
"They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had>>>only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of>>>them. And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so>>>they can improve much faster.>>
Shouldn't they be trying to sign up additional top teams then? Oh>>wait; they used to supply several top teams, and the others left>>because the product wasn't good enough for them.>
The reason being they were developing a product specifically for the Ferrari > not the other teams.

So they're now complaining that other teams aren't helping them design a
tyre for Ferrari?

Cheers
Graham

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BeeJ 9 May 2005 17:17:22 permanent link ]
 Emma wrote:>
From Autosport:->
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their > current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>
Although Ferrari are the only team not limited to the current 30-day > ceiling agreed between the nine other teams, the outfit's tyre supplier > Bridgestone are adamant that they are still at a disadvantage compared > to Michelin.>
Bridgestone's head of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima > claims that the number of teams that Michelin can call upon to test, > even with each outfit limited to a 30-day limit, has handed the French > tyre manufacturer a huge advantage in terms of data.>
When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in form > between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last season, > Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is simple: we > don't test enough.>
"They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had > only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of them. > And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so they can > improve much faster.>
"This is particularly decisive this year, with these new regulations. > This is why we pushed for an agreement which limited testing in terms of > kilometres rather than days.">
Ferrari did propose a testing limitation to the other teams that > involved setting a maximum amount of kilometers that each tyre > manufacturer could test for.>
Rival teams rejected that because the distance would have had to be > shared out by the Michelin teams, whereas Ferrari would have been able > to conduct most of that work alone for Bridgestone.>
Despite the problems that Ferrari are suffering, however, Hamashima > believes that the only area where the team are weak is in their single > lap pace  which has hindered Schumacher's chances of decent grid > positions.>
"The only problem here was the lack of performance in qualifying," said > Hamashima. "After that the pace was good for Michael until the retirement.">

But if Bridgestone hadn't dicided to make tyres just for Ferrari other
teams would not have left for Michelin so this is Bridgestones own fault.

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Iain Miller 9 May 2005 17:50:32 permanent link ]
 
But if Bridgestone hadn't dicided to make tyres just for Ferrari other > teams would not have left for Michelin so this is Bridgestones own fault.

Exactly!

I.


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Michael Burke 9 May 2005 18:57:05 permanent link ]
 "Emma" <Emma@excalvehs.dem­on.co.uk> wrote in message
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From Autosport:->
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their current > form is suffering because they cannot test enough.

I kinda reminds one of the old story of the kid who kills his parents and
then called on the court for compassion because he is an orphan. :)­


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Neutron 9 May 2005 19:49:18 permanent link ]
 
"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message
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Emma wrote:> > From Autosport:-> >
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and> > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their> > current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> >
What exactly is stopping them.

The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?


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Ped Xing 9 May 2005 20:03:08 permanent link ]
 "Michael Burke" <mburke@removeme.co­rdovabay.com> wrote in
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I kinda reminds one of the old story of the kid who kills his parents> and then called on the court for compassion because he is an orphan.> :)­

I really hope that's apopcryphal!

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Bigbird 9 May 2005 20:24:13 permanent link ]
 

neutron wrote:> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message> news:VLCdnSfBmpGDze­LfRVnytg@pipex.net..­.> >
Emma wrote:> > > From Autosport:-> > >
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari> > > and their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that> > > their current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> > >
What exactly is stopping them.>
The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?

That was their choice. Jordan and Minardi are both top ten teams and very
capable of providing data.


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Dave R knows who 9 May 2005 20:40:40 permanent link ]
 
"neutron" <neutron(not real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message> news:VLCdnSfBmpGDze­LfRVnytg@pipex.net..­.>>
Emma wrote:>> > From Autosport:->> >
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and>> > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their>> > current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>> >
What exactly is stopping them.>
The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?

And who's fault is that? Bridgestone taught all their customers last year
where their loyalty lied.


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Dave R knows who 9 May 2005 20:41:32 permanent link ]
 
"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message
news:RJSdnUm6Jq_awO­LfRVnyiA@pipex.net..­.> Phil Newnham wrote:>> Emma wrote:>> >
From Autosport:->> > <snip>>> > When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in>> > form between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last>> > season, Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is>> > simple: we don't test enough.>> >
"They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had>> > only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of>> > them. And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so>> > they can improve much faster.>>
Shouldn't they be trying to sign up additional top teams then? Oh>> wait; they used to supply several top teams, and the others left>> because the product wasn't good enough for them.>
The reason being they were developing a product specifically for the > Ferrari not the other teams.

Exactly. Bridgestone only have themselves to blame for this. Ferrari should
dump them ASAP.


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Neutron 10 May 2005 01:49:53 permanent link ]
 
"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message
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neutron wrote:> > "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message> > news:VLCdnSfBmpGDze­LfRVnytg@pipex.net..­.> > >
Emma wrote:> > > > From Autosport:-> > > >
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari> > > > and their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that> > > > their current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> > > >
What exactly is stopping them.> >
The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?>
That was their choice. Jordan and Minardi are both top ten teams and very> capable of providing data.>

They cant afford to test as much as the top top teams and their cars are
slower so do not put the same pressures on the tyres.


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Neutron 10 May 2005 01:51:40 permanent link ]
 
"Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAO­L.com> wrote in message
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"neutron" <neutron(not real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote in message> news:d5o0pu$t50$1@n­wrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.i­bs-infra.bt.com...> >
"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message> > news:VLCdnSfBmpGDze­LfRVnytg@pipex.net..­.> >>
Emma wrote:> >> > From Autosport:-> >> >
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and> >> > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their> >> > current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> >> >
What exactly is stopping them.> >
The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?>
And who's fault is that? Bridgestone taught all their customers last year> where their loyalty lied.>

Not really. Ferrari was the only top team Bridgestone had last year. The
teams that changed did so because they knew Michelin had an advantage.


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Phil Newnham 10 May 2005 02:01:06 permanent link ]
 neutron wrote:> "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAO­L.com> wrote in message> news:coMfe.1151$T3.­9259@typhoon.sonic.n­et...>
"neutron" <neutron(not real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote in message>>news:d5o0p­u$t50$1@nwrdmz01.dmz­.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt­.com...>>
"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message>>>news:VLCd­nSfBmpGDzeLfRVnytg@p­ipex.net...>>>
Emma wrote:>>>>
From Autosport:->>>>>
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and>>>>>their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their>>>>>current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>>>>>
What exactly is stopping them.>>>
The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?>>
And who's fault is that? Bridgestone taught all their customers last year>>where their loyalty lied.>>
Not really. Ferrari was the only top team Bridgestone had last year. The> teams that changed did so because they knew Michelin had an advantage.

Bridgestone should have worked harder to keep McLaren. That was obvious
at the time, and it's still obvious now. And no amount of whinging on
their part will fix it.

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Da Frank 10 May 2005 02:29:46 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 9 May 2005 12:02:35 +0100, Emma <Emma@excalvehs.dem­on.co.uk>
wrote:
When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in form >between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last season, >Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is simple: we >don't test enough.>
So last year when Bridgestone had the best tyre by far, the
explanation was difficult ?

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Mark IV 10 May 2005 02:58:19 permanent link ]
 Emma <Emma@excalvehs.dem­on.co.uk> scribbled:
From Autosport:->
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and> their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their> current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>
Although Ferrari are the only team not limited to the current 30-day> ceiling agreed between the nine other teams, the outfit's tyre> supplier Bridgestone are adamant that they are still at a> disadvantage compared to Michelin.>
Bridgestone's head of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima> claims that the number of teams that Michelin can call upon to test,> even with each outfit limited to a 30-day limit, has handed the French> tyre manufacturer a huge advantage in terms of data.

Hamashima-San, this is what happens when you put all your eggs in the same
basket.


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Mark Jones 10 May 2005 08:54:28 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:24:13 +0100, "Bigbird"
<BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote:>neutron wrote:>> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message>> news:VLCdnSfBmpGDze­LfRVnytg@pipex.net..­.>> > Emma wrote:>> > > From Autosport:->> > > Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari>> > > and their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that>> > > their current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>> > >
What exactly is stopping them.>>
The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?>
That was their choice. Jordan and Minardi are both top ten teams and very >capable of providing data.

Huh?
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Da Frank 10 May 2005 09:38:27 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 10 May 2005 04:54:28 GMT, Mark@Jones.co.nz (Mark Jones) wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:24:13 +0100, "Bigbird"><BigBird.­usenet@REMTHSgmail.c­om> wrote:>>neutron wrote:>>> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:VLCdnSfBmpGDze­LfRVnytg@pipex.net..­.>>> > Emma wrote:>>> > > From Autosport:->>> > > Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari>>> > > and their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that>>> > > their current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>>> > >
What exactly is stopping them.>>>
The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?>>
That was their choice. Jordan and Minardi are both top ten teams and very >>capable of providing data. >
Huh?>
ROFL, i only just noticed that.
Mind you it is true. They are top 10. ;-)­

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Bigbird 10 May 2005 10:45:06 permanent link ]
 

neutron wrote:> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message> news:tY6dnd5_oKU3E-­LfRVnysg@pipex.net..­.> >
neutron wrote:> > > "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REM­THSgmail.com> wrote in message> > > news:VLCdnSfBmpGDze­LfRVnytg@pipex.net..­.> > > >
Emma wrote:> > > > > From Autosport:-> > > > >
Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between> > > > > Ferrari and their rival teams over testing limitations by> > > > > claiming that their current form is suffering because they> > > > > cannot test enough.> > > > >
What exactly is stopping them.> > >
The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?> >
That was their choice. Jordan and Minardi are both top ten teams> > and very capable of providing data.> >
They cant afford to test as much as the top top teams

You are catching on. If Bridgestone want them to test they will have to help
with funding. They help fund Ferrari testing. Ferrari can test less.
Everybody wins.
and their cars> are slower so do not put the same pressures on the tyres.

They'd be faster if they did more testing... (of course they still have to
suffer a boot made specificallly for another very different car unlike any
of the Michelin runners who get there own apparently). ..and if they can
test more for less then there is less need for the gentlemens agreement.
Like I say everybody wins.




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John Briggs 11 May 2005 19:42:20 permanent link ]
 BeeJ wrote:>
But if Bridgestone hadn't decided to make tyres just for Ferrari other> teams would not have left for Michelin so this is Bridgestones own> fault.

Well, it may not have been a straight decision - it has become apparent that
Bridgestone are not good enough to make a tyre that will suit more than one
team. (At present, of course, the tyre doesn't suit any teams!)
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John Briggs 11 May 2005 20:02:05 permanent link ]
 Ped Xing wrote:> "Michael Burke" <mburke@removeme.co­rdovabay.com> wrote in> news:5TKfe.1293527$­6l.1115361@pd7tw2no:­>
I kinda reminds one of the old story of the kid who kills his parents>> and then called on the court for compassion because he is an orphan.>> :)­>
I really hope that's apocryphal!

Probably Lizzie Borden. She was acquitted - and may well have been
innocent.
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John Briggs 11 May 2005 20:04:21 permanent link ]
 Da Frank wrote:> On Mon, 9 May 2005 12:02:35 +0100, Emma <Emma@excalvehs.dem­on.co.uk>> wrote:>
When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in>> form between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last>> season, Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is>> simple: we don't test enough.>>
So last year when Bridgestone had the best tyre by far, the> explanation was difficult ?

It is not obvious, certainly in hindsight, that it was the best tyre last
year. (The wet weather tyres were better, but that's another story.)
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Paul-B 11 May 2005 21:37:52 permanent link ]
 John Briggs wrote:
Ped Xing wrote:> > "Michael Burke" <mburke@removeme.co­rdovabay.com> wrote in> > news:5TKfe.1293527$­6l.1115361@pd7tw2no:­> >
I kinda reminds one of the old story of the kid who kills his> parents >> and then called on the court for compassion because he is> an orphan. >> :)­> >
I really hope that's apocryphal!>
Probably Lizzie Borden. She was acquitted - and may well have been > innocent.

Lizzie Borden took an axe
and gave her mother forty whacks
when she saw what she had done
she gave her father forty-one...
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John Briggs 11 May 2005 21:52:29 permanent link ]
 Paul-B wrote:> John Briggs wrote:>
Ped Xing wrote:>>> "Michael Burke" <mburke@removeme.co­rdovabay.com> wrote in>>> news:5TKfe.1293527$­6l.1115361@pd7tw2no:­>>>
I kinda reminds one of the old story of the kid who kills his>> parents >> and then called on the court for compassion because he is>> an orphan. >> :)­>>>
I really hope that's apocryphal!>>
Probably Lizzie Borden. She was acquitted - and may well have been>> innocent.>
Lizzie Borden took an axe> and gave her mother forty whacks> when she saw what she had done> she gave her father forty-one...

She could well be acquitted today, because the evidence that her
(step)mother was killed first is unreliable.
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