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Resident Drunk 8 May 2005 15:16:53
	A few years ago I used to enjoy qualifying as much as the race. We had an hour long mini-race on Saturday but this was changed because (amongst other reasons) the slower cars got very little coverage. We now get 5 minutes in the pre-race show showing the top few cars going through the last couple of corners. Who is this better for ?.
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Geoff May 8 May 2005 15:16:05 [ permanent link ]
	Resident Drunk wrote:> A few years ago I used to enjoy qualifying as much as the race. We had an> hour long mini-race on Saturday but this was changed because (amongst other> reasons) the slower cars got very little coverage.> We now get 5 minutes in the pre-race show showing the top few cars going> through the last couple of corners.> Who is this better for ?. Sponsors. Actually, the main reason they changed the qualifying is because the drivers sat in the pits (all the drivers) for 34 minutes (twice) before going out and then complained about traffic. MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 7th May, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Vile Merchant 8 May 2005 15:54:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Geoff May" <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in message news:d5ksdn$15g$05$1@news.t-online.com...> Resident Drunk wrote:> > A few years ago I used to enjoy qualifying as much as the race. We had hour long mini-race on Saturday but this was changed because (amongst other> > reasons) the slower cars got very little coverage.> > We now get 5 minutes in the pre-race show showing the top few cars going> > through the last couple of corners.> > Who is this better for ?.> Sponsors.> Actually, the main reason they changed the qualifying is because the> drivers sat in the pits (all the drivers) for 34 minutes (twice)> before going out and then complained about traffic. I imagine sponsors got more coverage in that last 25 minutes then they ever would from an hour long bore-fest noone wants to watch on Saturday followed by an un-televised bore-fest on Sunday.
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Resident Drunk 8 May 2005 16:25:57 [ permanent link ]
	Vile Merchant wrote:> "Geoff May" <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in message> news:d5ksdn$15g$05$1@news.t-online.com...>> Resident Drunk wrote:>>> A few years ago I used to enjoy qualifying as much as the race. We>>> had an hour long mini-race on Saturday but this was changed because>>> (amongst other reasons) the slower cars got very little coverage.>>> We now get 5 minutes in the pre-race show showing the top few cars>>> going through the last couple of corners.>>> Who is this better for ?.>> Sponsors.>> Actually, the main reason they changed the qualifying is because the>> drivers sat in the pits (all the drivers) for 34 minutes (twice)>> before going out and then complained about traffic.> I imagine sponsors got more coverage in that last 25 minutes then> they ever would from an hour long bore-fest noone wants to watch on> Saturday followed by an un-televised bore-fest on Sunday. We do not even get the 1 hour on Saturday anymore (in the UK at least). The entire qualifying is a 5-10 minute slot before the race. All sponsors are now getting a fraction of the coverage they got a few years ago.
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FooAtari 8 May 2005 17:37:40 [ permanent link ]
	Geoff May <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in news:d5ksdn$15g$05$1@news.t-online.com: Resident Drunk wrote:>> A few years ago I used to enjoy qualifying as much as the race. We>> had an hour long mini-race on Saturday but this was changed because>> (amongst other reasons) the slower cars got very little coverage.>> We now get 5 minutes in the pre-race show showing the top few cars>> going through the last couple of corners.>> Who is this better for ?.> Sponsors.> Actually, the main reason they changed the qualifying is because the > drivers sat in the pits (all the drivers) for 34 minutes (twice) > before going out and then complained about traffic.> Geoff.> Thats easy to fix. 1 hour low fuel sessions. 4 runs each and at least one run must be taken in each 15mins of the hour. -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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Geoff May 8 May 2005 17:46:50 [ permanent link ]
	FooAtari wrote:> Geoff May <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in> news:d5ksdn$15g$05$1@news.t-online.com: > [snipped]>> Actually, the main reason they changed the qualifying is because the >>drivers sat in the pits (all the drivers) for 34 minutes (twice) >>before going out and then complained about traffic.> Thats easy to fix. 1 hour low fuel sessions. 4 runs each and at least > one run must be taken in each 15mins of the hour. That was put forward as a change for this year but Stoddart and others (don't know exactly who) said "No". TBH, I think I agree with them. They farted around too much but they better fix it next year OR ELSE! MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 7th May, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Jeff York 8 May 2005 18:09:32 [ permanent link ]
	"Resident Drunk" <hiccup@nthell.com> wrote: We do not even get the 1 hour on Saturday anymore (in the UK at least). Yes we do.. ..The entire qualifying is a 5-10 minute slot before the race. I think they show qual #2 like that, but the low-fuel qual #1 is broadcast in full. All sponsors are now getting a fraction of the coverage they got a few years>ago. Probably not for those involved with the smaller teams. In the old "1 hour free-for-all" you'd very rarely see Minardi, Jordan, Arrows, Sauber etc.." The cameras followed the "Grandee" teams - to the point of showing, say, a Ferrari on a slowing-down lap in preference to a Jordan on a hot one. I can understand the pricipals of the smaller teams not being very enthusiastic about going back to the system that gave them no coverage for their sponsors. The present single-shot qualifying at least guarantees them a few minutes of air-time. -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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Bigbird 8 May 2005 18:22:35 [ permanent link ]
	"Resident Drunk" <hiccup@nthell.com> wrote in message news:3e6emvF1ean7U1@individual.net...> Vile Merchant wrote:>> "Geoff May" <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in message>> news:d5ksdn$15g$05$1@news.t-online.com...>>> Resident Drunk wrote:>>>> A few years ago I used to enjoy qualifying as much as the race. We>>>> had an hour long mini-race on Saturday but this was changed because>>>> (amongst other reasons) the slower cars got very little coverage.>>>> We now get 5 minutes in the pre-race show showing the top few cars>>>> going through the last couple of corners.>>>> Who is this better for ?.>>> Sponsors.>>> Actually, the main reason they changed the qualifying is because the>>> drivers sat in the pits (all the drivers) for 34 minutes (twice)>>> before going out and then complained about traffic.>> I imagine sponsors got more coverage in that last 25 minutes then>> they ever would from an hour long bore-fest noone wants to watch on>> Saturday followed by an un-televised bore-fest on Sunday.> We do not even get the 1 hour on Saturday anymore (in the UK at least). Haven't you got a TV?
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Bigbird 8 May 2005 18:30:04 [ permanent link ]
	"FooAtari" <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:Xns965094CD93878alistairfraser81REMO@194.106.32.13...> Geoff May <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in> news:d5ksdn$15g$05$1@news.t-online.com:> Resident Drunk wrote:>>> A few years ago I used to enjoy qualifying as much as the race. We>>> had an hour long mini-race on Saturday but this was changed because>>> (amongst other reasons) the slower cars got very little coverage.>>> We now get 5 minutes in the pre-race show showing the top few cars>>> going through the last couple of corners.>>> Who is this better for ?.>> Sponsors.>> Actually, the main reason they changed the qualifying is because the>> drivers sat in the pits (all the drivers) for 34 minutes (twice)>> before going out and then complained about traffic.>> Geoff.>> Thats easy to fix. 1 hour low fuel sessions. 4 runs each and at least> one run must be taken in each 15mins of the hour.> Good qualifying, crap race.
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Gd 8 May 2005 19:55:54 [ permanent link ]
	FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:Xns965094CD93878alistairfraser81REMO@194.106.32.13: Thats easy to fix. 1 hour low fuel sessions. 4 runs each and at least > one run must be taken in each 15mins of the hour. Excellent plan, will save a lot of time and effort for those drivers: - who have a technical glitch forcing them to miss a 'window'. - have an 'off' or spin during the session ...because there's no point doing any of the rest of the laps, and they get to the showers early.
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FooAtari 8 May 2005 21:38:55 [ permanent link ]
	GD <alfa@melb.something.au> wrote in news:Xns965116F5B83Falfamelbsomethingau@203.87.95.150: FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in > news:Xns965094CD93878alistairfraser81REMO@194.106.32.13:> Thats easy to fix. 1 hour low fuel sessions. 4 runs each and at least >> one run must be taken in each 15mins of the hour.> Excellent plan, will save a lot of time and effort for those drivers:> - who have a technical glitch forcing them to miss a 'window'.> - have an 'off' or spin during the session> ...because there's no point doing any of the rest of the laps, and> they get to the showers early.> Eh? Dont quite follow. I was reffering to qual was generally best when it was the hour session a few years back, but often their was no action on track for the forst 30mins or so which was crap for the fans and crap for TV, so you can go back to that (which was far better than this single lap crap) but ensure more action on track over the whole session -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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Helicon_One 8 May 2005 22:29:02 [ permanent link ]
	"Jeff York" <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:347s71985vfenulqiofo5vutjud5pf8ob1@4ax.com... Probably not for those involved with the smaller teams. In the old "1> hour free-for-all" you'd very rarely see Minardi, Jordan, Arrows,> Sauber etc.." The cameras followed the "Grandee" teams - to the point> of showing, say, a Ferrari on a slowing-down lap in preference to a> Jordan on a hot one.> I can understand the pricipals of the smaller teams not being very> enthusiastic about going back to the system that gave them no coverage> for their sponsors. The present single-shot qualifying at least> guarantees them a few minutes of air-time. Is there anything seriously wrong with the idea of just going back to the 2003 format, but let them run it on qualifying fuel levels? Yes, there will still be the odd occasion where the rain would come out and spoil somebody's qualifying run, but was that so much worse than pre-2003 quali where drivers would be constantly caught out by traffic jams or yellow flags in the last 5 minutes, and we'd not see half the field apart from disappearing off the shot when a car from the big teams passed by? Tim -- ---------------- you've got to admire Austria, a country that convinced the world that Hitler was a German, and Mozart, Austrian Jim Richardson - Usenet out-take If you want to reply by email, replace the asterisks with underscores. Currently listening to: 'Every Devil' - Tanya Donelly
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Helicon_One 8 May 2005 22:29:03 [ permanent link ]
	"FooAtari" <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:Xns965094CD93878alistairfraser81REMO@194.106.32.13...> Geoff May <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in> news:d5ksdn$15g$05$1@news.t-online.com: Actually, the main reason they changed the qualifying is because the>> drivers sat in the pits (all the drivers) for 34 minutes (twice)>> before going out and then complained about traffic.> Thats easy to fix. 1 hour low fuel sessions. 4 runs each and at least> one run must be taken in each 15mins of the hour. So, considering that track conditions usually improve as a quali session goes on, we get 4 sets of 5-minute traffic jams in the hour, with the inevitable post-quali complaining, rather than just the one? Tim -- ---------------- you've got to admire Austria, a country that convinced the world that Hitler was a German, and Mozart, Austrian Jim Richardson - Usenet out-take If you want to reply by email, replace the asterisks with underscores. Currently listening to: 'Just In Case You Quit Me' - Tanya Donelly
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Jeff York 8 May 2005 22:40:02 [ permanent link ]
	FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote: GD <alfa@melb.something.au> wrote in >news:Xns965116F5B83Falfamelbsomethingau@203.87.95.150:> FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in >> news:Xns965094CD93878alistairfraser81REMO@194.106.32.13:>> Thats easy to fix. 1 hour low fuel sessions. 4 runs each and at >least >>> one run must be taken in each 15mins of the hour.>> Excellent plan, will save a lot of time and effort for those drivers:>> - who have a technical glitch forcing them to miss a 'window'.>> - have an 'off' or spin during the session>> ...because there's no point doing any of the rest of the laps, and>> they get to the showers early.>> Eh? Dont quite follow. I was reffering to qual was generally best when >it was the hour session a few years back, but often their was no action >on track for the forst 30mins or so which was crap for the fans and crap >for TV, so you can go back to that (which was far better than this single >lap crap) but ensure more action on track over the whole session I fear that the old "one hour free-for-all" is being viewed with the ole rose-tinted specs.. IIRC, a goodish percentage of the time, nobody took to the track for >20 minutes, then when they did (a) they managed to trip over each-other, and (b) the television used to miss almost all the "hot" laps - even by those drivers expected to really fly. It was probably better for the spectators at the track, but F1 is primarily a TV spectacle nowadays. -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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FooAtari 10 May 2005 01:36:59 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff York <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote in news:82ns71lqlaomc78404b7nqrf9fhp1j6ue6@4ax.com: FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:> GD <alfa@melb.something.au> wrote in >>news:Xns965116F5B83Falfamelbsomethingau@203.87.95.150:>> FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in >>> news:Xns965094CD93878alistairfraser81REMO@194.106.32.13:>>> Thats easy to fix. 1 hour low fuel sessions. 4 runs each and at >>least >>>> one run must be taken in each 15mins of the hour.>>> Excellent plan, will save a lot of time and effort for those>>> drivers: - who have a technical glitch forcing them to miss a>>> 'window'. - have an 'off' or spin during the session>>> ...because there's no point doing any of the rest of the laps, and>>> they get to the showers early.>>> Eh? Dont quite follow. I was reffering to qual was generally best>>when it was the hour session a few years back, but often their was no>>action on track for the forst 30mins or so which was crap for the fans>>and crap for TV, so you can go back to that (which was far better than>>this single lap crap) but ensure more action on track over the whole>>session > I fear that the old "one hour free-for-all" is being viewed with the> ole rose-tinted specs.. IIRC, a goodish percentage of the time,> nobody took to the track for >20 minutes, then when they did (a) they> managed to trip over each-other, and (b) the television used to miss> almost all the "hot" laps - even by those drivers expected to really> fly. It was probably better for the spectators at the track, but F1> is primarily a TV spectacle nowadays.> Nah its not rose tinted glasses, it wasnt that long ago i have hated the single lap stuff since the start. I agree with the lack of track actions for long periods, hence the one run every fifteen minutes rule -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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Pete Fenelon 10 May 2005 02:15:09 [ permanent link ]
	FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@thisyahoo.co.uk> wrote:>>> Eh? Dont quite follow. I was reffering to qual was generally best>>>when it was the hour session a few years back, but often their was no>>>action on track for the forst 30mins or so which was crap for the fans>>>and crap for TV, so you can go back to that (which was far better than>>>this single lap crap) but ensure more action on track over the whole>>>session >> I fear that the old "one hour free-for-all" is being viewed with the>> ole rose-tinted specs.. IIRC, a goodish percentage of the time,>> nobody took to the track for >20 minutes, then when they did (a) they>> managed to trip over each-other, and (b) the television used to miss>> almost all the "hot" laps - even by those drivers expected to really>> fly. It was probably better for the spectators at the track, but F1>> is primarily a TV spectacle nowadays.>> Nah its not rose tinted glasses, it wasnt that long ago i have hated > the single lap stuff since the start. I agree with the lack of track > actions for long periods, hence the one run every fifteen minutes rule > No rose-tinted glasses here either. OK, nothing might happen for the first 30 minutes. But the thought of Senna or Hakkinen on a 'chaotic lap' right in the dying seconds of the session made all the waiting worth it. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "We ask ourselves 'what will become of Evil Gazebo?'"
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FooAtari 11 May 2005 00:15:21 [ permanent link ]
	Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in news:ddno5d.cp8.ln@fenelon.com: FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@thisyahoo.co.uk> wrote:>>>> Eh? Dont quite follow. I was reffering to qual was generally best>>>>when it was the hour session a few years back, but often their was>>>>no action on track for the forst 30mins or so which was crap for the>>>>fans and crap for TV, so you can go back to that (which was far>>>>better than this single lap crap) but ensure more action on track>>>>over the whole session >>> I fear that the old "one hour free-for-all" is being viewed with the>>> ole rose-tinted specs.. IIRC, a goodish percentage of the time,>>> nobody took to the track for >20 minutes, then when they did (a)>>> they managed to trip over each-other, and (b) the television used to>>> miss almost all the "hot" laps - even by those drivers expected to>>> really fly. It was probably better for the spectators at the track,>>> but F1 is primarily a TV spectacle nowadays.>>> Nah its not rose tinted glasses, it wasnt that long ago i have>> hated the single lap stuff since the start. I agree with the lack of>> track actions for long periods, hence the one run every fifteen>> minutes rule >> > No rose-tinted glasses here either. OK, nothing might happen for the> first 30 minutes. But the thought of Senna or Hakkinen on a 'chaotic> lap' right in the dying seconds of the session made all the waiting> worth it.> pete Agreed! -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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