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Re: ...And He Didn't Even Get Kissed

Julia 25 April 2005 08:11:15
 On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl"
<bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!> D.

LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these
pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~
they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.

--
..."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger
than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"

http://www.u2.com/m­usic/lyrics.php?song­=447&list=v

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The Moses Brown 25 April 2005 17:52:36 [ permanent link ]
 Julia wrote:> On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl" > <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>> D.>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these pairings > if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~ they may > as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.>

So, um how's that "Jamie winning races" thing going? At least he has
that whole "looking good while he is losing" thing going for him.

I think Biffle has proven that he should have been ROTY.

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Darrel 25 April 2005 22:05:25 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:11:15 -0400, Julia
<julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>> D.>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these >pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~ >they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.

What makes you so sure Jamie is going to win that one.
If Jarrett can beat out B Labonte and Stewart can beat Harvick and as
a matter of fact J Gordon can beat R Gordon, I don't think sexiness is
the main criteria for picking.


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4-X-Champ 26 April 2005 05:27:21 [ permanent link ]
 
"Darrel" <dfland~NOT_ME~@com­cast.net> wrote in message
news:83cq6115vefpsk­v5klol2oqr1jsi6o81ff­@4ax.com...> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:11:15 -0400, Julia> <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>>> D.>>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these>>pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~>>they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.>
What makes you so sure Jamie is going to win that one.> If Jarrett can beat out B Labonte and Stewart can beat Harvick and as> a matter of fact J Gordon can beat R Gordon, I don't think sexiness is> the main criteria for picking.>
In many women's minds, the size of a man's bank account is proportionally
related to their sexiness. ;-)­


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Julia 26 April 2005 06:59:47 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-25 09:52:36 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:
Julia wrote:>> On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl" >> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>>> D.>>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these >> pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~ >> they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.>>
So, um how's that "Jamie winning races" thing going? At least he has > that whole "looking good while he is losing" thing going for him.>
I think Biffle has proven that he should have been ROTY.

Biffle has proven no such thing ~ sure he has put together a string of
good races for himself so far this year ~ how shocking, since the last
two champions have come from that shop... but if Biffle should have won
ROTY then he would have won it, but it wasn't even close... get over it.

--
..."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger
than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"

http://www.u2.com/m­usic/lyrics.php?song­=447&list=v

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Krusty 26 April 2005 07:52:23 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:11:15 -0400, Julia
<julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl" ><bristolracerwife@­worldnet.att.net> said:>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>> D.>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these >pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~ >they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.

Where is this sexiest driver contest...and how's "Mr. Excitement"
doing?
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Julia 26 April 2005 08:07:51 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-25 23:52:23 -0400, Krusty <krusty9875@SPAMBLO­CKyahoo.com> said:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:11:15 -0400, Julia> <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>
On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl" >> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>>> D.>>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these >> pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~ >> they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.>
Where is this sexiest driver contest...

http://msn.foxsport­s.com/nascar/story/3­449266

and how's "Mr. Excitement"> doing?

oh deer lawrd..... now I've got a real sharp pain piercing the sides of
my skull.

--
..."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger
than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"

http://www.u2.com/m­usic/lyrics.php?song­=447&list=v

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Steveo 26 April 2005 08:54:22 [ permanent link ]
 Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:> oh deer lawrd..... now I've got a real sharp pain piercing the sides of> my skull.>
Hope that pms disease that's been talked about in here lately ain't catchy.

If'n you get it, tell your old man to run for his life.
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Pope Hobbes 26 April 2005 08:56:32 [ permanent link ]
 Steveo wrote:> Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>> oh deer lawrd..... now I've got a real sharp pain piercing the sides>> of my skull.>>
Hope that pms disease that's been talked about in here lately ain't> catchy.>
If'n you get it, tell your old man to run for his life.


If he was smart, he would have run for his life when she decided being on
Usenet was more important than raising children.


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Galloping.Moron 26 April 2005 14:56:26 [ permanent link ]
 
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20050425225947­50073%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...> On 2005-04-25 09:52:36 -0400, The Moses Brown > <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>
Julia wrote:>>> On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl" >>> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>>>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>>>> D.>>>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these pairings >>> if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~ they may >>> as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.>>>
So, um how's that "Jamie winning races" thing going? At least he has that >> whole "looking good while he is losing" thing going for him.>>
I think Biffle has proven that he should have been ROTY.>
Biffle has proven no such thing ~ sure he has put together a string of > good races for himself so far this year ~ how shocking, since the last two > champions have come from that shop... but if Biffle should have won ROTY > then he would have won it, but it wasn't even close... get over it.>

It was close until it got to that voting aspect where everybody just voted
for the young pretty boy.

Since then Biffle has won race after race while Jamie has been best known
for his string of girlfriends.


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Julia 26 April 2005 23:13:04 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-26 06:56:26 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:20050425225947­50073%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>> On 2005-04-25 09:52:36 -0400, The Moses Brown >> <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>>
Julia wrote:>>>> On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl" >>>> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>>>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>>>>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>>>>> D.>>>>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these >>>> pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here ~ >>>> they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.>>>>
So, um how's that "Jamie winning races" thing going? At least he has >>> that whole "looking good while he is losing" thing going for him.>>>
I think Biffle has proven that he should have been ROTY.>>
Biffle has proven no such thing ~ sure he has put together a string of >> good races for himself so far this year ~ how shocking, since the last >> two champions have come from that shop... but if Biffle should have won >> ROTY then he would have won it, but it wasn't even close... get over it.>>
It was close until it got to that voting aspect where everybody just > voted for the young pretty boy.>
Since then Biffle has won race after race while Jamie has been best > known for his string of girlfriends.

it was close?!?!?!.... once again the facts don't quite mesh with your reality:

http://www.jayski.c­om/stats/2003/roty20­03.htm


--
..."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger
than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"

http://www.u2.com/m­usic/lyrics.php?song­=447&list=v

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Julia 26 April 2005 23:35:14 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-26 00:54:22 -0400, Steveo <moparholic@hotmail­.com> said:
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>> oh deer lawrd..... now I've got a real sharp pain piercing the sides of>> my skull.>>
Hope that pms disease that's been talked about in here lately ain't catchy.>
If'n you get it, tell your old man to run for his life.

LOL... nah, it won't happen... I'm immune.

--
..."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger
than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"

http://www.u2.com/m­usic/lyrics.php?song­=447&list=v

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Galloping.Moron 26 April 2005 23:35:21 [ permanent link ]
 
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20050426151304­50073%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...> On 2005-04-26 06:56:26 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:>
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:20050425225947­50073%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>>> On 2005-04-25 09:52:36 -0400, The Moses Brown >>> <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>>>
Julia wrote:>>>>> On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl" >>>>> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>>>>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>>>>>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>>>>>> D.>>>>>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these >>>>> pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here >>>>> ~ they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final >>>>> four.>>>>>
So, um how's that "Jamie winning races" thing going? At least he has >>>> that whole "looking good while he is losing" thing going for him.>>>>
I think Biffle has proven that he should have been ROTY.>>>
Biffle has proven no such thing ~ sure he has put together a string of >>> good races for himself so far this year ~ how shocking, since the last >>> two champions have come from that shop... but if Biffle should have won >>> ROTY then he would have won it, but it wasn't even close... get over it.>>>
It was close until it got to that voting aspect where everybody just >> voted for the young pretty boy.>>
Since then Biffle has won race after race while Jamie has been best known >> for his string of girlfriends.>
it was close?!?!?!.... once again the facts don't quite mesh with your > reality:>
http://www.jayski.c­om/stats/2003/roty20­03.htm>

Biffle got discouraged towards the end when he knew the vote was fixed.


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Steveo 27 April 2005 02:54:20 [ permanent link ]
 Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:> On 2005-04-26 00:54:22 -0400, Steveo <moparholic@hotmail­.com> said:>
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:> >> oh deer lawrd..... now I've got a real sharp pain piercing the sides> >> of my skull.> >>
Hope that pms disease that's been talked about in here lately ain't> > catchy.> >
If'n you get it, tell your old man to run for his life.>
LOL... nah, it won't happen... I'm immune.>
-as she plugs her ears and softly says neener neener neener-.
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Julia 27 April 2005 05:00:05 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-26 19:21:52 -0400, "bristolgirl"
<bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:
Please define "race after race". Biffle's having a good season this> year, but hadn't exactly been blazing a trail to victory lane before> that. If I remember correctly (which is up for debate) Jamie won in his> third race-filling in for an injured Sterling...the season before he> was eligible for ROTY.>
D.

logic doesn't work with this one, trust me.... BTW ~ it was Jamie's
second race that he won.

--
..."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger
than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"

http://www.u2.com/m­usic/lyrics.php?song­=447&list=v

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Julia 27 April 2005 05:00:25 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-26 18:54:20 -0400, Steveo <moparholic@hotmail­.com> said:
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>> On 2005-04-26 00:54:22 -0400, Steveo <moparholic@hotmail­.com> said:>>
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>>>> oh deer lawrd..... now I've got a real sharp pain piercing the sides>>>> of my skull.>>>>
Hope that pms disease that's been talked about in here lately ain't>>> catchy.>>>
If'n you get it, tell your old man to run for his life.>>
LOL... nah, it won't happen... I'm immune.>>
-as she plugs her ears and softly says neener neener neener-.

LOL... you spying on me?!?!... ; P

--
..."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger
than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"

http://www.u2.com/m­usic/lyrics.php?song­=447&list=v

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Pope Hobbes 27 April 2005 07:55:20 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:>> If he was smart, he would have run for his life when she decided>> being on Usenet was more important than raising children.>
Pathetic begging for attention noted.

Stick to wife beating.
"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> i have been arrested 4 times, twice for warrants from a> reckless driving conviction, and twice for unsubstantiated claims of> domestic violence.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> wow. one reckless driving charge, and 2 domestic violence arrests
"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> my job is one that does leave me free time right now. since i> am attending college online, i have plenty of time to peruse the NG.


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Galloping.Moron 27 April 2005 11:53:33 [ permanent link ]
 
"bristolgirl" <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:1114557712.057­175.105040@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..> Please define "race after race". Biffle's having a good season this> year, but hadn't exactly been blazing a trail to victory lane before> that. If I remember correctly (which is up for debate) Jamie won in his> third race-filling in for an injured Sterling...the season before he> was eligible for ROTY.>
D.>

Years ago I said that Biffle was better than Jamie and as it turned out
Jamie has won nothing in Winston-Nextel Cup since that bogus ROTY gift. In
contrast, Biffle has won major races on the important tracks time after
time.


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Galloping.Moron 27 April 2005 11:54:17 [ permanent link ]
 
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20050426210005­77923%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...> On 2005-04-26 19:21:52 -0400, "bristolgirl" > <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>
Please define "race after race". Biffle's having a good season this>> year, but hadn't exactly been blazing a trail to victory lane before>> that. If I remember correctly (which is up for debate) Jamie won in his>> third race-filling in for an injured Sterling...the season before he>> was eligible for ROTY.>>
D.>
logic doesn't work with this one, trust me.... BTW ~ it was Jamie's second > race that he won.>

Mr Cope, you have a call on line one.


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Julia 27 April 2005 14:45:45 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-27 03:54:17 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:20050426210005­77923%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>> On 2005-04-26 19:21:52 -0400, "bristolgirl" >> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>
Please define "race after race". Biffle's having a good season this>>> year, but hadn't exactly been blazing a trail to victory lane before>>> that. If I remember correctly (which is up for debate) Jamie won in his>>> third race-filling in for an injured Sterling...the season before he>>> was eligible for ROTY.>>>
D.>>
logic doesn't work with this one, trust me.... BTW ~ it was Jamie's >> second race that he won.>>
Mr Cope, you have a call on line one.

another moronic comparison: Cope has been racing over 20 years longer
than Jamie and Jamie has already passed him in both top 5s and top 10s
and has an average finish of about 10 spots higher than Cope.

BTW ~ you may wanna wait until the season is at least half done before
you continue crowing about Biffle ~ he has yet to finish a season
higher than Jamie in the points.

--
..."your head can't rule your heart ~ a feeling is so much stronger
than a thought"... $1 to Bono (U2) from "Vertigo"

http://www.u2.com/m­usic/lyrics.php?song­=447&list=v

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Galloping.Moron 27 April 2005 19:06:36 [ permanent link ]
 
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20050427064545­50073%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...> On 2005-04-27 03:54:17 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:>
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:20050426210005­77923%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>>> On 2005-04-26 19:21:52 -0400, "bristolgirl" >>> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>>
Please define "race after race". Biffle's having a good season this>>>> year, but hadn't exactly been blazing a trail to victory lane before>>>> that. If I remember correctly (which is up for debate) Jamie won in his>>>> third race-filling in for an injured Sterling...the season before he>>>> was eligible for ROTY.>>>>
D.>>>
logic doesn't work with this one, trust me.... BTW ~ it was Jamie's >>> second race that he won.>>>
Mr Cope, you have a call on line one.>
another moronic comparison: Cope has been racing over 20 years longer > than Jamie and Jamie has already passed him in both top 5s and top 10s and > has an average finish of about 10 spots higher than Cope.>
BTW ~ you may wanna wait until the season is at least half done before you > continue crowing about Biffle ~ he has yet to finish a season higher than > Jamie in the points.>

It is not even fair to compare a Gnassi entry to a Roush entry in the first
place.


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Darrel 27 April 2005 21:26:17 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:06:35 -0400, Julia
<julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW ~ I completely agree about the odd outcomes so far... there is no >way Labonte or Harvick should have lost.... I don't even want to ugly >my mind thinking of the Gordon matchup.

I just thought of something this morning Julia. How many of the voters
that voted for Jeffie do you think were guys. That conjectures up some
interesting images doesn't it? LOL

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The Moses Brown 27 April 2005 23:28:42 [ permanent link ]
 Julia wrote:> On 2005-04-25 09:52:36 -0400, The Moses Brown > <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>
Julia wrote:>>
On 2005-04-24 21:54:20 -0400, "bristolgirl" >>> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>>
On a lighter note: I got a huge laugh out of the Kurt Busch vs. Jamie>>>> McMurray pairing for the Sexiest Driver!>>>> D.>>>
LOL... no doubt.... it had to be a man that came up with these >>> pairings if they honestly believed that there would be a contest here >>> ~ they may as well have just given Jamie a free pass to the final four.>>>
So, um how's that "Jamie winning races" thing going? At least he has >> that whole "looking good while he is losing" thing going for him.>>
I think Biffle has proven that he should have been ROTY.>
Biffle has proven no such thing ~ sure he has put together a string of > good races for himself so far this year ~ how shocking, since the last > two champions have come from that shop... but if Biffle should have won > ROTY then he would have won it, but it wasn't even close... get over it.>


I am over it. I said back then that Biffle would prove to be a better
driver. So far...he is proving to be the better driver. McMurray is
proving to be a slightly better than the rest driver, but nowhere near
living up to his hype.

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Julia 27 April 2005 23:55:20 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-27 11:06:36 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:20050427064545­50073%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>> On 2005-04-27 03:54:17 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:>>
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:20050426210005­77923%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>>>> On 2005-04-26 19:21:52 -0400, "bristolgirl" >>>> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>>>
Please define "race after race". Biffle's having a good season this>>>>> year, but hadn't exactly been blazing a trail to victory lane before>>>>> that. If I remember correctly (which is up for debate) Jamie won in his>>>>> third race-filling in for an injured Sterling...the season before he>>>>> was eligible for ROTY.>>>>>
D.>>>>
logic doesn't work with this one, trust me.... BTW ~ it was Jamie's >>>> second race that he won.>>>>
Mr Cope, you have a call on line one.>>
another moronic comparison: Cope has been racing over 20 years longer >> than Jamie and Jamie has already passed him in both top 5s and top 10s >> and has an average finish of about 10 spots higher than Cope.>>
BTW ~ you may wanna wait until the season is at least half done before >> you continue crowing about Biffle ~ he has yet to finish a season >> higher than Jamie in the points.>>
It is not even fair to compare a Gnassi entry to a Roush entry in the > first place.

no, it's not... give Jamie the kind of advantages that the Rousch cars
have and he would be accumulating the same number of wins as all the
other Roush drivers (Biffle is performing to expectations in that
program ~ not above them).... and it's no secret that Dodges in general
aren't performing to the same level as Fords and Chevys ~ there is no
way that Jamie or any other driver can be expected to make those cars
do something they don't seem capable of doing right now.

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The Moses Brown 28 April 2005 05:14:35 [ permanent link ]
 Julia wrote:> On 2005-04-27 11:06:36 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:>
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:20050427064545­50073%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>>
On 2005-04-27 03:54:17 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:>>>
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:20050426210005­77923%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>>>>
On 2005-04-26 19:21:52 -0400, "bristolgirl" >>>>> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>>>>
Please define "race after race". Biffle's having a good season this>>>>>> year, but hadn't exactly been blazing a trail to victory lane before>>>>>> that. If I remember correctly (which is up for debate) Jamie won >>>>>> in his>>>>>> third race-filling in for an injured Sterling...the season before he>>>>>> was eligible for ROTY.>>>>>>
D.>>>>>
logic doesn't work with this one, trust me.... BTW ~ it was Jamie's >>>>> second race that he won.>>>>>
Mr Cope, you have a call on line one.>>>
another moronic comparison: Cope has been racing over 20 years >>> longer than Jamie and Jamie has already passed him in both top 5s and >>> top 10s and has an average finish of about 10 spots higher than Cope.>>>
BTW ~ you may wanna wait until the season is at least half done >>> before you continue crowing about Biffle ~ he has yet to finish a >>> season higher than Jamie in the points.>>>
It is not even fair to compare a Gnassi entry to a Roush entry in the >> first place.>
no, it's not... give Jamie the kind of advantages that the Rousch cars > have and he would be accumulating the same number of wins as all the > other Roush drivers (Biffle is performing to expectations in that > program ~ not above them).... and it's no secret that Dodges in general > aren't performing to the same level as Fords and Chevys ~ there is no > way that Jamie or any other driver can be expected to make those cars do > something they don't seem capable of doing right now.>

so what was his excuse for not winning races the last two years?



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Julia 28 April 2005 05:59:34 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-27 21:14:35 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:
Julia wrote:>> On 2005-04-27 11:06:36 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:>>
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:20050427064545­50073%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>>>
On 2005-04-27 03:54:17 -0400, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> said:>>>>
"Julia" <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:20050426210005­77923%juliadmbangel2­004@gmailcom...>>>>>­
On 2005-04-26 19:21:52 -0400, "bristolgirl" >>>>>> <bristolracerwife@w­orldnet.att.net> said:>>>>>>
Please define "race after race". Biffle's having a good season this>>>>>>> year, but hadn't exactly been blazing a trail to victory lane before>>>>>>> that. If I remember correctly (which is up for debate) Jamie won in his>>>>>>> third race-filling in for an injured Sterling...the season before he>>>>>>> was eligible for ROTY.>>>>>>>
D.>>>>>>
logic doesn't work with this one, trust me.... BTW ~ it was Jamie's >>>>>> second race that he won.>>>>>>
Mr Cope, you have a call on line one.>>>>
another moronic comparison: Cope has been racing over 20 years longer >>>> than Jamie and Jamie has already passed him in both top 5s and top 10s >>>> and has an average finish of about 10 spots higher than Cope.>>>>
BTW ~ you may wanna wait until the season is at least half done before >>>> you continue crowing about Biffle ~ he has yet to finish a season >>>> higher than Jamie in the points.>>>>
It is not even fair to compare a Gnassi entry to a Roush entry in the >>> first place.>>
no, it's not... give Jamie the kind of advantages that the Rousch cars >> have and he would be accumulating the same number of wins as all the >> other Roush drivers (Biffle is performing to expectations in that >> program ~ not above them).... and it's no secret that Dodges in general >> aren't performing to the same level as Fords and Chevys ~ there is no >> way that Jamie or any other driver can be expected to make those cars >> do something they don't seem capable of doing right now.>>
so what was his excuse for not winning races the last two years?

it's all spelled out in the above post ~ is reading comprehension is an
issue with you Moses?!?!... or do stats and facts mean as much to you
as they do the resident moron?!?!

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Julia 28 April 2005 05:59:44 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-27 21:22:00 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:
So, can I use your "Biffle didn't have the same equipment available to > him as he was clearly the 4th priority at Roush" when compared to > McMurray the past two years? Jack even stated that in order for the 16 > to grow as a team he wanted them to start from scratch and do it all on > their own, which is why Biffle wanted to leave because he felt he > wasn't getting a fair shake...but as it turns out, it was the best > thing for the team.

no, that really wouldn't work as an excuse for Biffle's performance,
his teammate, Carl Edwards ~ the fourth car in the stable now, seems to
have gotten his act together a whole lot faster than the three years
that it took Biffle ~ a far more experienced driver than Carl. If
we're gonna compare drivers, my choice would be comparing Biffle to
Edwards ~ and my guess is that Carl is gonna be outperforming Biffle
consistently before the end of the year.
That whole "Dodge is struggling" thing is not holding water. Last time > I checked Rusty, Sterling and Ryan were all in the top ten in points.

really?!?!... how many races have those drivers won this year?!?!...
how many have they won in the past two years when compared to Fords and
Chevys?!?!... things are not equal between the makes and different
shops in NASCAR, and if you don't see that, then it's because you don't
want to see it.
Of course, if you are gonna argue that the only meaningful stat is the >> number of races a driver wins than you had better be prepared to say >> that your other boy (Busch) has no business being the reigning champ ~>
yes he did. he won it according to the rules. the rules never stated > that he had to have the most wins.

nor do you need to have more wins to be a better driver.... Jamie could
very well become a champion without ever winning another race.
as he certainly didn't accumulate more wins than any other driver last year...>>
so, which one is it Moses?!?!... consistency or wins?!?!?>
I would rather win five races and have five DNFs than have 10 > consecutive 11th-15th place finishes.

I would rather be a champion ~ which requires consistently finishing in
the top 10 throughout the season ~ something Jamie does, which Biffle
hasn't quite gotten a handle on yet.
Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if Mears turns out to be the better > driver between he and McMurray.

of course that's possible ~ in your world, where stats and facts mean nothing.


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Julia 29 April 2005 00:35:10 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-28 15:52:06 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:
and he didn't make the chase, but Mayfield did...so it seems to me that > Mayfield did better. He had to win a race to make it. He did....but I > digress. He

I'm not taking anything away from Jeremy ~ he deserved to be in the
chase based on the timing of his performance, but statistically, he
didn't have nearly as good a season as Jamie did.... of course you
would think Mayfield did better, again, 'cause stats and facts clearly
mean nothing to you ~ all that matters to you is your biased opinions.

So why can't he win a race? Isn't that the point of the entire thing?

He has won races.



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Steveo 29 April 2005 01:59:11 [ permanent link ]
 Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:> gee, seems like we've been over this before;.... once Dodge cars start> winning consistently, I'm sure Jamie will be among that group.>
Yes Ma'am, and Chip can go pound salt! $1-silverfish)
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Steveo 29 April 2005 06:17:16 [ permanent link ]
 "Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail­.com> wrote:> Steveo wrote:> > Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:> > > gee, seems like we've been over this before;.... once Dodge cars> start> > > winning consistently, I'm sure Jamie will be among that group.> > >
Yes Ma'am, and Chip can go pound salt! $1-silverfish)>
So who do you think will be driving the #40 car next year? Where do you> think Sterling will end up?>
Your guess is as good as mine, like I said before he will at least end
up in a truck or busch car. Look out for him this weekend if he doesn't
get punted.

Thoughts?
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The Moses Brown 29 April 2005 06:23:20 [ permanent link ]
 Julia wrote:> On 2005-04-28 15:52:06 -0400, The Moses Brown > <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>
and he didn't make the chase, but Mayfield did...so it seems to me >> that Mayfield did better. He had to win a race to make it. He >> did....but I digress. He>
I'm not taking anything away from Jeremy ~ he deserved to be in the > chase based on the timing of his performance, but statistically, he > didn't have nearly as good a season as Jamie did.... of course you would > think Mayfield did better, again, 'cause stats and facts clearly mean > nothing to you ~ all that matters to you is your biased opinions.

the point is to make the chase. jeremy did. ryan did. jamie didn't.
everyone can find a statistic to back themselves up in this arguement,
but the fact is that JAMIE HASN'T WON A RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. You
blame things on everything else without addressing the fact that JAMIE
HASN'T WON A CUP RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. EVER. Blame Dodge all you
want, but there are three Dodge drivers in the top ten. Two made the
chase last year. Jamie did neither.>
So why can't he win a race? Isn't that the point of the entire thing?>
He has won races.


race. singular.>


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Julia 29 April 2005 06:37:09 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-28 17:59:11 -0400, Steveo <moparholic@hotmail­.com> said:
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>> gee, seems like we've been over this before;.... once Dodge cars start>> winning consistently, I'm sure Jamie will be among that group.>>
Yes Ma'am, and Chip can go pound salt! $1-silverfish)

LOL... ya know, from what I have read, Sterling may be jumping the gun
a bit by assuming that he definitely won't have a ride with Chip next
year. It seems that he believes that will be the case only because
Chip hasn't talked to him about it yet, not because he has told
Sterling that he is out.... maybe Chip is still weighing his options
and will come to the conclusion that Stremme isn't worth the risk and
Reed isn't ready yet and decide to stick with Sterling for one more
year (which is all that Sterling wants to do anyway).

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Steveo 29 April 2005 06:52:27 [ permanent link ]
 Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:> On 2005-04-28 17:59:11 -0400, Steveo <moparholic@hotmail­.com> said:>
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:> >> gee, seems like we've been over this before;.... once Dodge cars start> >> winning consistently, I'm sure Jamie will be among that group.> >>
Yes Ma'am, and Chip can go pound salt! $1-silverfish)>
LOL... ya know, from what I have read, Sterling may be jumping the gun> a bit by assuming that he definitely won't have a ride with Chip next> year. It seems that he believes that will be the case only because> Chip hasn't talked to him about it yet, not because he has told> Sterling that he is out....>
I really never heard the particulars about that deal. I figure if
Chip tosses him a contract now it will be because he looked at the
freakin standings.>
maybe Chip is still weighing his options> and will come to the conclusion that Stremme isn't worth the risk and> Reed isn't ready yet and decide to stick with Sterling for one more> year (which is all that Sterling wants to do anyway).>
Did you hear Sterling say he only wants to race one more year?
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Julia 29 April 2005 07:05:07 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-28 22:23:20 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:
the point is to make the chase. jeremy did. ryan did. jamie didn't.

I thought the point was winning... at least that's what you said
earlier today... make up your freaking mind... BTW ~ Biffle didn't make
the chase either.

everyone can find a statistic to back themselves up in this arguement,

yet you never manage to do so....
but the fact is that JAMIE HASN'T WON A RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. You > blame things on everything else without addressing the fact that JAMIE > HASN'T WON A CUP RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. EVER. Blame Dodge all you > want, but there are three Dodge drivers in the top ten. Two made the > chase last year. Jamie did neither.

Jamie has won a race ~ you seem to be the only one stuck on the "in
his own equipment" completely meaningless detail ~ no one wins "in
their own equipment" anymore ~ they win in their owner's equipment,
which is *exactly* what Jamie did.
race. singular.

so, quit you bitching that he has never won a race, ever.


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Julia 29 April 2005 07:18:29 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-28 22:52:27 -0400, Steveo <moparholic@hotmail­.com> said:
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>> On 2005-04-28 17:59:11 -0400, Steveo <moparholic@hotmail­.com> said:>>
Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>>>> gee, seems like we've been over this before;.... once Dodge cars start>>>> winning consistently, I'm sure Jamie will be among that group.>>>>
Yes Ma'am, and Chip can go pound salt! $1-silverfish)>>
LOL... ya know, from what I have read, Sterling may be jumping the gun>> a bit by assuming that he definitely won't have a ride with Chip next>> year. It seems that he believes that will be the case only because>> Chip hasn't talked to him about it yet, not because he has told>> Sterling that he is out....>>
I really never heard the particulars about that deal. I figure if> Chip tosses him a contract now it will be because he looked at the> freakin standings.

well, yeah.... that would make sense... I think it was in Cup Scene
that there was an interview with Sterling, he said that he is usually
in contract negociations by now, and since he hasn't heard from Chip,
he is assuming that Chip isn't interested.

maybe Chip is still weighing his options>> and will come to the conclusion that Stremme isn't worth the risk and>> Reed isn't ready yet and decide to stick with Sterling for one more>> year (which is all that Sterling wants to do anyway).>>
Did you hear Sterling say he only wants to race one more year?

yep... sometime during the off-season he was asked if he was leave with
Rusty and Mark this year, and he said no, that he wanted to leave at
the end of 2006.


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The Moses Brown 29 April 2005 07:19:29 [ permanent link ]
 Julia wrote:> On 2005-04-28 22:23:20 -0400, The Moses Brown > <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>
the point is to make the chase. jeremy did. ryan did. jamie didn't.>
I thought the point was winning...

you can't win if you don't make the chase.

at least that's what you said earlier> today... make up your freaking mind... BTW ~ Biffle didn't make the > chase either.

you don't say????

everyone can find a statistic to back themselves up in this arguement,>
yet you never manage to do so....

my stat is JAMIE HASN'T WON A RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. That was my
entire point and you started talking about being consistant (and he
super awesome consistancy is good for keeping him out of the top ten)>
but the fact is that JAMIE HASN'T WON A RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. You >> blame things on everything else without addressing the fact that JAMIE >> HASN'T WON A CUP RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. EVER. Blame Dodge all you >> want, but there are three Dodge drivers in the top ten. Two made the >> chase last year. Jamie did neither.>
Jamie has won a race ~ you seem to be the only one stuck on the "in his > own equipment" completely meaningless detail ~ no one wins "in their own > equipment" anymore ~ they win in their owner's equipment, which is > *exactly* what Jamie did.

Whatever Julia, Jamie is an awesome driver and I am sure if you give him
more years and even more excuses, he might actually win a race for you.

race. singular.>
so, quit you bitching that he has never won a race, ever.>


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Julia 29 April 2005 07:29:15 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-28 23:19:29 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:
Julia wrote:>> On 2005-04-28 22:23:20 -0400, The Moses Brown >> <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>>
the point is to make the chase. jeremy did. ryan did. jamie didn't.>>
I thought the point was winning...>
you can't win if you don't make the chase.

oh, excuse me... I thought it was you that was blathering all about the
importance of winning races "in your own equipment" ~ something that is
completely irrelevant to whether or not you are in the chase...
my stat is JAMIE HASN'T WON A RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. That was my > entire point

tell me where that is cited as a relevant statistic anywhere.... your
the only one hung up on the "in his own equipment" detail but you have
to be ~ otherwise your contention that he hasn't won a race falls apart.

Whatever Julia, Jamie is an awesome driver and I am sure if you give > him more years and even more excuses, he might actually win a race for > you.


I'm sure if he had Roush or Hendrick equipment he already would have.



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Steveo 29 April 2005 07:31:51 [ permanent link ]
 The Moses Brown <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> wrote:> Packages change for everyone, not just the Hemi guys.>
Ford and Chevy couldn't keep up with that head.
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Steveo 29 April 2005 07:36:32 [ permanent link ]
 Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>> > Did you hear Sterling say he only wants to race one more year?>
yep... sometime during the off-season he was asked if he was leave with> Rusty and Mark this year, and he said no, that he wanted to leave at> the end of 2006.>
Hrm, I'm surprised he didn't say that on 'inside' a couple weeks ago
when Schrader and Mikey asked him about it. Well that puts a whole
new paint job on the mess. He will drive a cup car one more year if
that's all he's looking for but it may not be a Dodge.
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The Moses Brown 29 April 2005 17:28:15 [ permanent link ]
 Julia wrote:> On 2005-04-28 23:19:29 -0400, The Moses Brown > <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>
Julia wrote:>>
On 2005-04-28 22:23:20 -0400, The Moses Brown >>> <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>>>
the point is to make the chase. jeremy did. ryan did. jamie didn't.>>>
I thought the point was winning...>>
you can't win if you don't make the chase.>
oh, excuse me... I thought it was you that was blathering all about the > importance of winning races "in your own equipment" ~ something that is > completely irrelevant to whether or not you are in the chase...


of which Jamie has done neither, so I don't really see why this
arguement continues.

Jamie hasn't won in his own equipment.
Jamie has been consistant, but not ran well enough to make the top 10.

These are facts and you can try to find whatever excuse you would like
to help you rationalize his shortcomings, but that is just the way it is.

my stat is JAMIE HASN'T WON A RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. That was my >> entire point>
tell me where that is cited as a relevant statistic anywhere.... your > the only one hung up on the "in his own equipment" detail but you have > to be ~ otherwise your contention that he hasn't won a race falls apart.>
Whatever Julia, Jamie is an awesome driver and I am sure if you give >> him more years and even more excuses, he might actually win a race for >> you.>
I'm sure if he had Roush or Hendrick equipment he already would have.

Well, I sure as hell am not crying for him. Dodges from every other
"major" team has won a race since Jamies rookie season. If their team is
coming up short, that isn't Roush or Hendrick's problem.

Let's see, you have blamed everything under the sun, except for Jamie
and his team. Hrm. Interesting.>


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The Moses Brown 29 April 2005 17:29:47 [ permanent link ]
 Steveo wrote:> Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:>
Did you hear Sterling say he only wants to race one more year?>>
yep... sometime during the off-season he was asked if he was leave with>>Rusty and Mark this year, and he said no, that he wanted to leave at>>the end of 2006.>>
Hrm, I'm surprised he didn't say that on 'inside' a couple weeks ago> when Schrader and Mikey asked him about it. Well that puts a whole> new paint job on the mess. He will drive a cup car one more year if> that's all he's looking for but it may not be a Dodge.

I think he was on Trackside and they asked him if he was going to retire
and he said something to the effect that he didn't plan on it, but knew
it was going to be in a few years.

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The Moses Brown 29 April 2005 17:37:46 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:> The Moses Brown wrote:>
Julia wrote:>>
On 2005-04-28 15:52:06 -0400, The Moses Brown>>><soulphishj­enkins@hiya-who.com>­ said:>>>
and he didn't make the chase, but Mayfield did...so it seems to me>
that Mayfield did better. He had to win a race to make it. He>>>>did....but I digress. He>>>
I'm not taking anything away from Jeremy ~ he deserved to be in the>
chase based on the timing of his performance, but statistically, he>
didn't have nearly as good a season as Jamie did.... of course you>
would>
think Mayfield did better, again, 'cause stats and facts clearly>
mean>
nothing to you ~ all that matters to you is your biased opinions.>>
the point is to make the chase. jeremy did. ryan did. jamie didn't.>>everyone can find a statistic to back themselves up in this>
arguement,>
but the fact is that JAMIE HASN'T WON A RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT.>
blame things on everything else without addressing the fact that>
JAMIE>
HASN'T WON A CUP RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. EVER. Blame Dodge all you>
want, but there are three Dodge drivers in the top ten. Two made the>>chase last year. Jamie did neither.>
Not even close to right. He won a number of NBS races IN HIS OWN> EQUIPMENT.> He may not have won a cup race IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT, but he has won> races IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT.

So has Todd Bodine and the Green Bros.

This isn't about the NBS, CTS or the local dirt track.>
So why can't he win a race? Isn't that the point of the entire>
thing?>
He has won races.>>
race. singular.>
Races, plural.>


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Steveo 29 April 2005 19:10:12 [ permanent link ]
 The Moses Brown <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> wrote:> Steveo wrote:> > Julia <julia.dmbangel2004­@gmail.com> wrote:> >
Did you hear Sterling say he only wants to race one more year?> >>
yep... sometime during the off-season he was asked if he was leave with> >>Rusty and Mark this year, and he said no, that he wanted to leave at> >>the end of 2006.> >>
Hrm, I'm surprised he didn't say that on 'inside' a couple weeks ago> > when Schrader and Mikey asked him about it. Well that puts a whole> > new paint job on the mess. He will drive a cup car one more year if> > that's all he's looking for but it may not be a Dodge.>
I think he was on Trackside and they asked him if he was going to retire> and he said something to the effect that he didn't plan on it, but knew> it was going to be in a few years.>
That's sorta what he said on inside, I didn't hear him say one more year
tho.
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Julia 29 April 2005 23:28:59 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-29 09:35:34 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:

(newman and mayfield still made the chase and won a race or two. rusty > won a race) will you please stop ignoring the fact that jamie hasn't > won a race since that time he subbed for sterling.

please stop ignoring the fact that his "subbing" for Sterling is still a win.
Sometimes it isn't the arrow, but rather the Indian.

and sometimes it is the arrow.
like the fact that Jamie hasn't won a race in three years while other > dodge teams have?

it hasn't been three years.... and since Jamie's win there is only one
Dodge who has more than one win: Jamie, Rusty and Jeremy all have
single wins ~ only Newman is a multiple race winner.... when a make is
only winning 10% of the races, and they have about 20 drivers entered,
it's gonna take awhile for Jamie's turn to come up again.

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The Moses Brown 30 April 2005 06:41:17 [ permanent link ]
 Julia wrote:> On 2005-04-29 09:35:34 -0400, The Moses Brown > <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>
(newman and mayfield still made the chase and won a race or two. rusty >> won a race) will you please stop ignoring the fact that jamie hasn't >> won a race since that time he subbed for sterling.>
please stop ignoring the fact that his "subbing" for Sterling is still a > win.

never said it wasn't. I am just wondering why he hasn't done anything
since then.
Sometimes it isn't the arrow, but rather the Indian.>
and sometimes it is the arrow.

well maybe he should try to get out of his contract then and get with
one of those "chosen" teams, like Roush and Hendrick.>
like the fact that Jamie hasn't won a race in three years while other >> dodge teams have?>
it hasn't been three years....

2002. it is now 2005. 3 seasons (i was referring to years as seasons)
and since Jamie's win there is only one> Dodge who has more than one win: Jamie, Rusty and Jeremy all have > single wins ~ only Newman is a multiple race winner.... when a make is > only winning 10% of the races, and they have about 20 drivers entered, > it's gonna take awhile for Jamie's turn to come up again.

I didn't realize they took turns. I thought they all had an equal chance
to win.>


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Julia 30 April 2005 07:15:57 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-29 22:38:40 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:
The stat that he hasn't ever won a race in cup. driving his own car > with his own team.

as I said, you still haven't backed anything up with anything *true* or
*meaningful*...
at one time, kevin lepage was in the top ten. having a cup of coffee in > the top ten doesn't get you anything. that is like saying you are a > "starting shortstop in MLB" because you got called up to the majors to > fill in for someone and then went back to the bench.


Kevin Lepage has never scored 25 top 10s in a single season... Kevin
Lapage didn't score more points than all but six drivers last year...
Kevin Lepage never won ROTY..... Kevin Lepage's average finish is more
than 10 spots lower than Jamie's.... Kevin Lepage is not on the short
list of drivers that have won in all three series ~ so again, your
comparison is completely irrelevant.
what is innaccurate?

so far, every stat you have cited or comparison you have made... they
have been either inaccurate, irrelevant or both.
at least I have an arguement instead of "it's everyone else's fault but > jamie's"

really?!?!... then make it ~ so far all you have done is spew nonsense.
well how exciting is it to talk about wimmer, riggs and vickers?

it may not be too exciting ~ but at least you would be able to back up
an argument about them.

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Julia 30 April 2005 07:19:43 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-04-29 22:41:17 -0400, The Moses Brown
<soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:
never said it wasn't. I am just wondering why he hasn't done anything > since then.

he has done plenty since then ~ you just won't acknowledge it.
well maybe he should try to get out of his contract then and get with > one of those "chosen" teams, like Roush and Hendrick.

of couse, I wouldn't expect that you would know this (because it is a
*fact*, and they do seem to escape you) but it's been fairly well
documented that Jamie is one of the most sought after drivers for many
of the top rides that have opened up in the past two years ~ but he
isn't going to "get out his contract" until the end of next year ~ when
I expect that he will make a change unless the state of the Dodge
program has changed.
2002. it is now 2005. 3 seasons (i was referring to years as seasons)

well, since his win came at the end of 2002 and it is now only the
beginning of 2005, saying that it has been 3 seasons is a bit of a
stretch.
I didn't realize they took turns. I thought they all had an equal > chance to win.

that's kinda the point Moses ~ they don't *all* have an equal chance to win...


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The Moses Brown 30 April 2005 20:00:39 [ permanent link ]
 Julia wrote:> On 2005-04-29 22:38:40 -0400, The Moses Brown > <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> said:>
The stat that he hasn't ever won a race in cup. driving his own car >> with his own team.>
as I said, you still haven't backed anything up with anything *true* or > *meaningful*...>

so, you are saying that he either A)won a race driving the 42 with his
own team of 2+ seasons that he should be used to or B)he has lived up to
his potential and is a threat to win on most Sundays.

Is that what you are saying?

at one time, kevin lepage was in the top ten. having a cup of coffee >> in the top ten doesn't get you anything. that is like saying you are a >> "starting shortstop in MLB" because you got called up to the majors to >> fill in for someone and then went back to the bench.>
Kevin Lepage has never scored 25 top 10s in a single season...

and what did that get McMurray? A finish outside of the top ten.

I never said he wasn't consistant. I said he was better than average.
But he IS NOT GETTING IT DONE when it comes to being there at the end of
a race with a threat to win.

Kevin> Lapage didn't score more points than all but six drivers last year... > Kevin Lepage never won ROTY..... Kevin Lepage's average finish is more > than 10 spots lower than Jamie's.... Kevin Lepage is not on the short > list of drivers that have won in all three series ~ so again, your > comparison is completely irrelevant.

Biffle is. Biffle has won more Cup races than McMurray even threatened
to win.

what is innaccurate?>
so far, every stat you have cited or comparison you have made... they > have been either inaccurate, irrelevant or both.

How are they irrelevant or inaccurate?

Has he won driving the 42? No. (accurate and relevant to the fact that
the original discussion was the fact that he hasn't lived up to his
hype..ie, actually winning races)
at least I have an arguement instead of "it's everyone else's fault >> but jamie's">
really?!?!... then make it ~ so far all you have done is spew nonsense.>

take off your mopar tinted glasses and actually LOOK AT THE GOD DAMNED
FACTS. Yes, I am sure Jamie is a hot guy to look at, but that doesn't
win you fuckin' races.

When Jamie actually wins another race, then you can talk about how great
he is. Until then, he is a top 15 driver, nothing more.>>
well how exciting is it to talk about wimmer, riggs and vickers?>
it may not be too exciting ~ but at least you would be able to back up > an argument about them.


What, that they haven't lived up to the "hype" that was never placed on
them in the first place?>


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The Moses Brown 1 May 2005 19:57:14 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:> The Moses Brown wrote:>
Daniel wrote:>>
The Moses Brown wrote:>>>
Julia wrote:>>>>
On 2005-04-28 15:52:06 -0400, The Moses Brown>>>>><soulphis­hjenkins@hiya-who.co­m> said:>>>>>
and he didn't make the chase, but Mayfield did...so it seems to>
that Mayfield did better. He had to win a race to make it. He>>>>>>did....but I digress. He>>>>>
I'm not taking anything away from Jeremy ~ he deserved to be in>
chase based on the timing of his performance, but statistically,>
didn't have nearly as good a season as Jamie did.... of course you>>>
would>>>
think Mayfield did better, again, 'cause stats and facts clearly>>>
mean>>>
nothing to you ~ all that matters to you is your biased opinions.>>>>
the point is to make the chase. jeremy did. ryan did. jamie didn't.>>>>everyone­ can find a statistic to back themselves up in this>>>
arguement,>>>
but the fact is that JAMIE HASN'T WON A RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT.>>>
blame things on everything else without addressing the fact that>>>
JAMIE>>>
HASN'T WON A CUP RACE IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT. EVER. Blame Dodge all>
want, but there are three Dodge drivers in the top ten. Two made>
chase last year. Jamie did neither.>>>
Not even close to right. He won a number of NBS races IN HIS OWN>>>EQUIPMENT.>>>­He may not have won a cup race IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT, but he has won>>>races IN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT.>>
So has Todd Bodine and the Green Bros.>>
This isn't about the NBS, CTS or the local dirt track.>
Sorry, fuckchop. You are the idiot who said Jamie has never won in his> own equipment. It's not our fault you're stupid.

It's not my fault you can't understand that I clearly said 4-5 times IN
THE CUP SERIES.>


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The Moses Brown 1 May 2005 19:58:25 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:> The Moses Brown wrote:>
Julia wrote:>>
On 2005-04-29 22:41:17 -0400, The Moses Brown>>><soulphishj­enkins@hiya-who.com>­ said:>>>
never said it wasn't. I am just wondering why he hasn't done>
anything>
since then.>>>
he has done plenty since then ~ you just won't acknowledge it.>>
Can you not fuckin' read? I have said quite a few times that he is>>better than average. YOU are the won that keeps coming up all these>>accomplishme­nts to try to rationalize the fact that he hasn't won a>
race>
since 2002.>
LIE. Jamie has won a number of races since 2002. Do try to do some> basic research, numbnuts.>

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MINOR LEAGUES. If Adam Dunn went down to the
minors and hit 78 home runs in one season, he doesn't win the MLB Home
Run title.



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Pope Hobbes 1 May 2005 23:39:15 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:> Pope Hobbes wrote:>> Daniel wrote:>>>> If he was smart, he would have run for his life when she decided>>>> being on Usenet was more important than raising children.>>>
Pathetic begging for attention noted.>>
Stick to wife beating.>
Poor baby. Have to lower yourself to begging for attention.


Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> i have been arrested 4 times, twice for warrants from a> reckless driving conviction, and twice for unsubstantiated claims of> domestic violence.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> wow. one reckless driving charge, and 2 domestic violence arrests
"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> my job is one that does leave me free time right now. since i> am attending college online, i have plenty of time to peruse the NG.


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Pope Hobbes 4 May 2005 00:25:37 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:> Pope Hobbes wrote:>> Daniel wrote:>>> Pope Hobbes wrote:>>>> Daniel wrote:>>>>>> If he was smart, he would have run for his life when she decided>>>>>> being on Usenet was more important than raising children.>>>>>
Pathetic begging for attention noted.>>>>
Stick to wife beating.>>>
Poor baby. Have to lower yourself to begging for attention.>>
Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.>
Stick to your meds.


Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> i have been arrested 4 times, twice for warrants from a> reckless driving conviction, and twice for unsubstantiated claims of> domestic violence.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> wow. one reckless driving charge, and 2 domestic violence arrests
"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> my job is one that does leave me free time right now. since i> am attending college online, i have plenty of time to peruse the NG.


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Pope Hobbes 4 May 2005 23:09:35 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:> Pope Hobbes wrote:>> Daniel wrote:>>> Pope Hobbes wrote:>>>> Daniel wrote:>>>>> Pope Hobbes wrote:>>>>>> Daniel wrote:>>>>>>>> If he was smart, he would have run for his life when she>>>>>>>> decided being on Usenet was more important than raising>>>>>>>> children.>>>>>>>
Pathetic begging for attention noted.>>>>>>
Stick to wife beating.>>>>>
Poor baby. Have to lower yourself to begging for attention.>>>>
Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.>>>
Stick to your meds.>>
Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.>
Stick to your meds, wannabe Trump.


Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> i have been arrested 4 times, twice for warrants from a> reckless driving conviction, and twice for unsubstantiated claims of> domestic violence.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> wow. one reckless driving charge, and 2 domestic violence arrests
"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> my job is one that does leave me free time right now. since i> am attending college online, i have plenty of time to peruse the NG.


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The Moses Brown 5 May 2005 17:05:17 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:> Pope Hobbes wrote:>
Daniel wrote:>>
Pope Hobbes wrote:>>>
Daniel wrote:>>>>
Pope Hobbes wrote:>>>>>
Daniel wrote:>>>>>>
Pope Hobbes wrote:>>>>>>>
Daniel wrote:>>>>>>>>
If he was smart, he would have run for his life when she>>>>>>>>>>decide­d being on Usenet was more important than raising>>>>>>>>>>ch­ildren.>>>>>>>>>
Pathetic begging for attention noted.>>>>>>>>
Stick to wife beating.>>>>>>>
Poor baby. Have to lower yourself to begging for attention.>>>>>>
Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.>>>>>
Stick to your meds.>>>>
Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.>>>
Stick to your meds, wannabe Trump.>>
Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.>
Poor baby, how does defeat taste?>


McMurray would know, you should ask him next time you are cupping his balls.

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Steveo 6 May 2005 02:26:02 [ permanent link ]
 The Moses Brown <soulphishjenkins@h­iya-who.com> wrote:> np:> you should ask him next time you are cupping his balls.> -Yonder Mountain String Band>
Which mountain? <g>
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Pope Hobbes 6 May 2005 22:33:36 [ permanent link ]
 Daniel wrote:> Poor baby, how does defeat taste?

Stick to wife beating, GED psychologist.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> i have been arrested 4 times, twice for warrants from a> reckless driving conviction, and twice for unsubstantiated claims of> domestic violence.

"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> wow. one reckless driving charge, and 2 domestic violence arrests
"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hot.rr.­com> wrote in message> my job is one that does leave me free time right now. since i> am attending college online, i have plenty of time to peruse the NG.


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The Anti Tom 10 May 2005 22:47:04 [ permanent link ]
 galloping.moron wrote:> Everyone gives Jamie McMurray a tremendous amount of credit for> winning his second Winston Cup start.

Yeah, in Sterling's car.

Todd Bodine finished top 15 driving Tony Stwart's car. He went from 25 to
15 in 40 laps. If he drove the last 100 laps; TS had the fastest car and
Todd Bodine might have won that race. IMHO, that doesn't count for crap.
Since Jamie Mac got in his own car; he lost the quality of Sterling
Marlin's equipment/crew; and now he can't get a Post-Silverfish win. You
put Jamie Mac in Jeff Gordon's car; and he will win some more races.


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DixieDufus 15 May 2005 02:45:28 [ permanent link ]
 galloping.moron wrote:

or you will just wind up looking dumb and stupid.


i aint never needed any help from anybody ever to look dumb and
stupid, my question is how can you see how anyone loox on here, i
must needa different kinda reader but i cant find one so i will jus
keep using this netscape emailer for my news reader
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DixieDufus 15 May 2005 02:49:43 [ permanent link ]
 The Anti Tom wrote:
put Jamie Mac in Jeff Gordon's car; and he will win some more races. >

i bet he'd do aight if someone could just pull him outta that pu**y
storm hez lost in the lucky lil ch*t
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